"impotent" agent

[frostfire]

does anybody know if there is ever a chemical weapon created to basically cause impotence on all male living beings?
Medicine like depo-provera has been known to "eliminate" pleasure from rape convicts etc, but can it be airborne spread??

<small>[ October 10, 2002, 06:41 PM: Message edited by: frostfire ]</small>

[nbk2000]

To what purpose? So they have limp dick...doesn't stop someone from pulling a trigger.

Maybe as a psychological warfare weapon against someone, but with viagra...

[NoltaiR]

frostfire, I got to say that although you have always been a useful contributor to this forum, what the hell were you thinking when you made this thread? Is there some next door neighbor you have that keeps you up all night with his wifes moans and screams?

The only thing I could see as a useful weapon would be possibly a bioligical poison that would cause sterilization in men which would therefore eliminate the targeted people from reproducing.

[Anthony]

Maybe someone is having an "all men are pigs!" day <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[trinitro]

I briefly read an article in a men's magazine some time ago,(it was about cooperations between chinese and israeli intelligense), that the Mossad used a particular spray containing Cesium (the element) to "tag" suspected terrorists. Due to the radiation they where able to track these individuals. A side-effect of the Cesium was that the suspect would suffer impotency. Don't think You will be able to get it from Your local pharmacy still...

[nbk2000]

Now there's an idea! Radiological tagging for tracking/identification. I wonder how well you could use the smoke detector radiation source for such things? Maybe as point ID, but distance? Forget it.

[PYRO500]

IIRC KNO₃ used to be listed at an impotence causing agent but I have had alot of trouble actually finding sources that prove this. Is anyone brave enough to take KNO₃ preferably someone who isn't gonna get laid real soon and isn't afraid of nitrite poisoning! I also don't know the LD₅₀ of it but know it has one beacuse it gets converted to poisonious nitrite in the stomach.

<small>[ October 10, 2002, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: PYRO500 ]</small>

[frostfire]

<small>[ October 23, 2002, 12:30 AM: Message edited by: frostfire ]</small>

[NoltaiR]

Haha...

Well on the informative side... I don't think KNO3 has anything to do with impotency. In fact I have heard (the credentials of the source are questionable) that viagra actually contains KNO3.

Also KNO3 is used to preserve meat and can be bought from some large grocery stores for such purpose. Now-a-days though KNO3 has mostly been replaced with a mix of NaNO3 and NaCl (table salt) due to the fact that the FDA claims that consuming too much KNO3 througout a lifetime can have cummulative results of causing cancer. So a lot of the old farmers ate a lot of KNO3 back in the day (mostly when making sausage)... and they still were the ones who had 10-12 children... doesn't sound like they had a problem with impotency to me though..., :rolleyes:

And the NOx that pyro500 speaks about forming in the stomach is the prime reason of the possible chance of cancer. And for those of you interested, the NOx formation is caused simply by the reaction of the KNO3 with stomache acids. (anybody know what those might be off hand?)

<small>[ October 10, 2002, 05:52 PM: Message edited by: NoltaiR ]</small>

[Energy84]

Sounds like somebody has been having trouble with a current/previous boyfriend <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
Yes KNO₃ has been used in food before. I have seen it in sausage recipes and such. I've also tasted the stuff, and (obviously) it's much saltier than regular table salt. I'd imagine that you would need at least a tsp to notice any effect, but I could be wrong. I just licked my finger and picked a little up with it when I tried it, to no effect <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> . Good luck masking the taste though :o . It's pretty nasty stuff.

[irish]

NoltaiR
I think stomach acid is mostly dilute hydrochloric acid. I,ve no idea what else is in it though.
Irish

[frostfire]

edit:
everything is in 0EZ0's post

<small>[ October 23, 2002, 12:31 AM: Message edited by: frostfire ]</small>

[PYRO500]

I found out the lethal dose could be around 15-20 grams although the source said there could be higher amounts taken with no ill effects. I volunteer to be the guniea pig for this experiment, I took 3.5g of it at about 4:30 and although I didn't try to get a stiffie I did manage to get one a few min ago (~8:45) I am going to take about 2.5g before I go to bed tonight.

Energy84 is correct, this stuff is pretty nasty tasting, I had to take a shot of it with soda to enen swallow it, it was probobly the nastyest tasting substance I've ever put in my mouth. I'm sure if you held some of this stuff in your mouth for a few seconds you'd start drooling all over the place and be running for something to rinse your mouth out with.

I plan on taking it for about 2 or 3 days and I'll update the results here.

[NoltaiR]

I was wondering who would be the first to volunteer so they could have an excuse to be able to tell the rest of the forum when they get a woody :D

edit: with all joking aside, just becareful pyro500; the old farmers used to take a spoon of it and eat it just to taste for the purity.. but they consumed it all their lives so their stomaches were ready for it. But for someone that is just testing it for the first time, make sure you mentally note everything that you feel while you are on this... 'therapy'

<small>[ October 10, 2002, 09:09 PM: Message edited by: NoltaiR ]</small>

[EP]

I don't know much about chemical weapons for impotence, but I do know that during the Apartheid era in South Africa they worked with China on a biological weapon that would specifically target blacks and make them sterile. I don't know how much success they had, I would not be surprised if China is still working on it.

[PYRO500]

Ugh! I just downed 3 grams of that stuff! <img src="http://smilies.uniquehardware.co.uk/cwm/3dlil/puke.gif" alt=" - " /> Let me tell you I don't think there's any getting used to it! It's 9:54 PM now, almost 10:00 lets see what I feel like tommorow.

<small>[ October 10, 2002, 09:51 PM: Message edited by: PYRO500 ]</small>

[frostfire]

hey, geez, this suppose to be informative, not suicidal...and don't you still need to go to state indoctrination facility (forum name for school...) tomorrow?

anyway, whatever the result is I much appreciate it.

That experiment in South Africa is very interesting, let's see if I can dig more into it

[PYRO500]

Yes, I have to go to the Facility tommorrow, why do you ask? I think a bunch of 15-18 year old girls in tight clothes will be a pretty good test, any comments :)

[0EZ0]

Hey everyone, long time no see :p .

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> gastric juice, thin, strongly acidic (pH varying from 1 to 3), almost colorless liquid secreted by the glands in the lining of the stomach. Its essential constituents are the digestive enzymes pepsin and rennin, hydrochloric acid, and mucus. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Taken from <a href="http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0820302.html" target="_blank">http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0820302.html</a>

Back on topic, I have read in a medical paper that the drug ATENOLOL(TENORMIN)has Drug induced Impotence listed in it's complications and associations.

Another piece of information i found was:

Drug induced impotence - A great variety of prescription drugs, such as blood pressure medications, anti-anxiety and anti-depressant drugs, glaucoma eye drops, and cancer chemotherapy agents are just some of the many drugs associated with impotence.

Hormone induced impotence - Hormonal abnormalities such as increased prolactin (a hormone produced by the anterior pituitary gland), steroid abuse by body-builders, too much or too little thyroid hormone, and hormones administered for prostate cancer may cause impotence. Rarely is low testosterone responsible.

Thats about all I have from from a little bit of searching.
Sorry I haven't been posting much, it's been a busy time. And a fracture I recieved from my participation in sport didn't help either :rolleyes: .

A little off-topic, but here are a few sites discussing health affects of Nitrates:

<a href="http://www.checnet.org/healthehouse/chemicals/chemicals-detail.asp?Main_ID=278" target="_blank">http://www.checnet.org/healthehouse/chemicals/chemicals-detail.asp?Main_ID=278</a>
<a href="http://www-ehs.ucdavis.edu/enviro/factshts/fsnitrat.html" target="_blank">http://www-ehs.ucdavis.edu/enviro/factshts/fsnitrat.html</a>
<a href="http://www.alliedkenco.com/data/nitrite_and_nitrate.htm" target="_blank">http://www.alliedkenco.com/data/nitrite_and_nitrate.htm</a>
...............

Edit- Ooooh.. found more :D

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> Prescription medications often cause ED as a side effect. Some two hundred known medications fall into this category including:

Antihypertensives medications significantly:
beta-blockers e.g. Atenolol, Propanolol and Tenorium.

Diuretics medications e.g. HydroDiuril and Lasix.
Ace Inhibitors/Calcium Channel Blockers medications e.g. Vasotec, Lotension, Cardizem, Norvasc periodically cause Impotence, however, they are generally represent an excellent alternative medication for individuals with drug induced Impotence.

Antidepressant/Antipsychotic medications of almost any label can also result in Impotence e.g. Prozac, Elavil, Zoloft, Thorazine, Haldol. Note: Many other medications in a variety of classes can periodically cause Impotence. If you are taking a prescription medication or over-the-counter medication, regularly, please consult with your physician. However, never alter a dosage or discontinue a medication without the advice of your physician. LH-RH

Analogs/Antiandrogen medications e.g. Lupron Depot®, Eulexin, Nilandron®, Casodex®, etc. These medications are used in the treatment of prostate cancer. They function by decreasing the production of testosterone in the testes and adrennal glands. The decrease in testosterone often results in Impotence.

Chemotherapy/Radiation therapy are also significant contributors to Impotence. These drugs/treatments are used in the treatment of cancer.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Taken from <a href="http://www.impotence-causes-treatment-male-sexual-dysfunction.com/impotence-cause.htm" target="_blank">here</a> .

<small>[ October 10, 2002, 11:43 PM: Message edited by: 0EZ0 ]</small>

[Jhonbus]

High doses of C₂H₅OH can cause this effect, as I'm sure some of us have discovered, much to our cost... :o

[PYRO500]

I took 3.5 grams at 7 this morning, it seems that it takes a while to kick in (I was testing my abilitys scientificly at school I assure you :) ) possibly up to 1.5 2 hours. While it did kick in ( I think) I could still get half "on" and it had almost no effect on my sex drive, I plan to continue this experiment monday so more info possibly then. I would say that KNO3 will make you temporarily impotent ( and make you piss like a race horse) at the dosage I've been taking it hasn't really cause e a whole lot of trouble.

[xyz]

PYRO500, how much KNO3 do you think would be required for someone to lose bladder control?

Me and one of my friends had the idea that you could add enough KNO3 to someone's food so that it tasted rather salty but not salty enough that they wouldn't eat it, have a large jug of water or any other drink on the table as well (this can also be spiked with a VERY small amount of KNO3, small enough that they can't taste it) as the salty taste will make them drink lots of water as well. It would work particularly well on guests who didn't want to make whoever cooked the meal feel insulted by saying it was too salty.

[PYRO500]

I don't think it causes you to loose bladder control, rather it is a diruetic and causes water to be excreted from your system more rapidly. Also to me KNO3 is something that tastes like nothing else, I wouldn't say it really tastes like table salt at all, if you add it to someones food chances are they WILL taste it.

[xyz]

I have only tasted tiny amounts so that is probably why it tasted like salt to me

[BrAiNFeVeR]

I agree with Pyro500, it doesn't taste like NaCl at all, if it contact the tongue, it is allmost as it is very cold ...

I can't really describe it, but maybe your KNO3 is not very pure ...

[PYRO500]

Hmm, I'll try fractional recrystalization and see. I think it's probobly just me though. The reason why it tastes cold is that KNO3 along with Ammonium Nitrate, both are salts that break down in water and it takes energy to do so thus the reactions are endothermic.

[Zach]

would its effect as a diuretic be usefull for helping to purge the body of undesirable traces? ( i.e if you've got a piss test... ).
or would it just make you dribble like a leaky faucet?

[MoToMaStR]

My fathers father was in the navy, my mothers father was in the army, her mother was in the air force, my dad was in the marine core and my mother was a state trooper.I just yesterday signed up and swore oath into the united states marine core. BOTH my parents told me that the military has done this for probably the past 35 years atleast. They put salt-peter in the salt, which is suppose to keep you from getting a hard-on. I dont see why you'd need a boner in the marines, (in bunks/showers around 80 other men) but eating something thats used in the process of making gunpowder probably isnt all that good for you. Just a though,.... dont eat the salt if you ever join the service.

[PYRO500]

What's with that urban legend! that legend is pretty old and from my esperiences KNO3 dosen't really work. I have herd several variations on it too, such as it's in the food in the salt... in the water etc...

[Bander]

I've done quite a bit of reseach on the subject since I once had a plan to put saltpetre in the school food as a senior prank. And I can say from both what I've read on the net, and expierements on myself that it has no effect, besides perhaps a placebo if you truly believe it will work. Too bad really, it would of been great to throw in the ketchup before prom or such. :D

The stories you here about the military putting KN0₃ in the food are indeed rumors. After all, no group of young men would ever want to admit to themselves that the intense mental and physical stress of training camp could actually be the cause of their impotence. Thus, an ego saving rumor about KN0₃.

While saltpetre may be out, a quick <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=drug+induced+impotence&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8" target="_blank">google search</a> reveals many a drug that cause varying levels of impotence. All confirming 0EZ0's post above.

[vulture]

I know that XTC causes temporary impotence (no, no personal experience :p ) and that's why sextacy mixes viagra and XTC to get the best of both worlds. Well, the best...It makes the user stick his "wurst" into every hole available...cheers.

[Agent Blak]

The military would be most likely to use it in the Ration Packs(Rat Packs) as a preservative. I have seen a view recipes for Beef Jerky and such with KNO3 an ingredient.

It would be simply an added bonus if it were to dull sexual urges. In an enviroment such as an AirCraft Carrier where some 4,000+(mostly men) it may be "Part of The Recipe." Most of the Sailors etc. I doubt very many consider it being in the food.

It probabley did work but it all is relevant to the amount you consume; also somethings have to build up in your system to become affective.

[Zach]

X is not a drug I would take again. Viagra would be *ahem* fun, I guess, but mixing them... I'd say no. give someone a dose of X when they arent looking... it fucks with you if you dont know you're on it.

[inFinie]

In here, Turkey they used to put alum (K2SO4.Al2(SO4)3.xH20 x is 24 or 10 as i can remember) in soldier's food for temporary impotence. And it works, but i don't know how much do they put.

[zeocrash]

wasn't bromide used in WW1 to supress a soldier's sex drive.
i'm not exactly sure what bromide it was, though

[metafractal]

On the note of carcinogenic meat preservatives:
I was always under the impression that nitrates and nitrites formed carcinogenic nitrosamines. But maybe that was only nitrites...
What could KNO3 + HCl yield that is so dangerous?

[rooster]

It would yield some HNO3... Not a very pleasant thing to have in your stomach, is it. In those small amounts, I dont think it really does matter, it is probably so that the meat producers cant be sued.

[cutefix]

Hmnn, Roughly
KNO3 + HCl = KCl + HNO3
The nitric acid can create a xanthoproteic reaction in the stomach walls and then some parts will have yellowish colour?Just like the reaction of dilute nitric acid on your skin.Then
It will fool the digestive system that it had jaundice due to the yellowing of some tissues
:D

[X-Wulf]

Speaking of urban legends w.r.t. the military adding impotent inducing chems to soldiers' food, in this part of the world (South Africa) it's supposedly copper sulphate! Probably quite a good sign that our authorities aren't the brightest lights on the christmas tree ... let's see:
2HCl + CuSO4 -> H2SO4 + CuCl2
note to self: never join SA armed forces :D

About the whole apartheid sterilising our indigenous friends with the help of the chinese and all ... well, we were taught about apartheid right up 'till the end of high school, and whilst I wouldn't put it past them, I've never even heard a rumour of this before.