Real life K3wL and Cyanide as a Weapon

[nbk2000]

Behold the face of the enemy!

<img src="http://demo.baseview.com/dm2/temporaryimages/tm1081.jpg" alt=" - " />

This is what an anarchist looks like in real life.

This waste of human protoplasm was living in the steam tunnels under a university when he got arrested.

Joseph Konopka, 25, formerly of De Pere, Wis., was charged Monday with possession of a chemical weapon after federal agents found sodium cyanide and potassium cyanide in a Chicago Transit Authority storage room underneath the city's downtown Loop district.

Yes folks, MERE possession of a cyanide salt is considered having a chemical weapon if the piggies want to get your ass. Mind you, this mastermind didn't have a ton of it. No, rather he had a vial containing 1 gram of sodium cynanide-sodium carbonate (homemade cyanide?) when he was arrested Saturday night, the FBI said. About 4 ounces of potassium cyanide and about nine-tenths of a pound of sodium cyanide were discovered in the passageway.

So, 1 and 1/4 pound of cyanide is considered the same as having a WMD (Weapon of Mass Destruction) to the pigs.

(full story @ <a href="http://demo.baseview.com/dm2/main/275417012277880.php" target="_blank">http://demo.baseview.com/dm2/main/275417012277880.php</a> )

Another version (@ <a href="http://www.vnunet.com/News/1130825" target="_blank">http://www.vnunet.com/News/1130825</a> ) says that when he was arrested, authorities found five pounds of cyanide and a wirelessly equipped laptop secreted in the utility tunnel.

So now he's a anarchist hacker terrorist armed with a weapon of mass destruction. :rolleyes: I'm sure the pork is going to find drug recipes and kiddie porn on his computer too for a Royal Flush. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> :D

I did a google search with "cyanide arrest" and got more than 10,000 hits!

<small>[ December 14, 2002, 11:50 PM: Message edited by: nbk2000 ]</small>

[Fl4PP4W0k]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Joseph Konopka, 25, who uses the pseudonym Dr Chaos</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">:rolleyes:

Methinks hes a Southpark fan :D

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Konopka was wanted for acts of vandalism in association with a group calling itself Realm of Chaos. According to reports in USA Today, Realm of Chaos is a disparate group of teenagers based in Wisconsin that vandalised and damaged power stations and cellular phone and radio towers. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Hmmm.... Those dont really sound like terrorist activites. Fucking up power stations and cellphone towers :|
Woo. Yeehaw.

"Hey everyone! Look at me! Im hardcore! Im destroying government property. VIVA ANARCHY!!!"
:rolleyes:

What a sad fucker :p

[nbk2000]

Well, at least 2 of our members/visitors have made international headlines, so I'm happy, knowing our membership is of a higher standard. :)

It'd be interesting to know if this loser visited any of our *snik*competitors*hehehee* sites. Wonder if they have any members called "Dr. Chaos". Sounds like a TOTSE name to me.

[xoo1246]

US vs. Joseph Konopka:
<a href="http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/terrorism/uskonopka031102cmp.pdf" target="_blank">http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/terrorism/uskonopka031102cmp.pdf</a>
Or if you don't have acrobat reader.
<a href="http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/konopka1.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/konopka1.shtml</a>

I assume this is his personal homepage?
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/konopka101/work.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/konopka101/work.html</a>

<small>[ December 15, 2002, 05:14 AM: Message edited by: xoo1246 ]</small>

[nbk2000]

I just love the way the term "chemical weapon" is so vaguely defined as to include anything from pool bleach to oven cleaner.

Just because the guy is homeless doesn't mean that he's planning a chemical weapons attack. He may have the cyanide to kill off verminous rats that live in steam tunnels.

And, I think the fact that he had the stuff locked up in a private room, in an unused section of tunnels, would show that he wasn't deliberately endangering the public.

Stupid, yes, but harmless.

[Anthony]

Where's the reference to theforum? :confused:

[nbk2000]

There's no reference to the Forum in any of the stories. I was just commenting on past media events that we had members involved in.

[MrSamosa]

Yep, he's really gonna take thousands of lives in a horrific gas attack using a few grams of NaCN and KCN. Still, I can understand the piggy definition of Chemical Weapons: Chemicals that are used as weapons. Simple enough. But then the question is whether they should fit under the category of "Weapons of Mass Destruction" or not. Clearly, oven cleaner is NOT a Weapon of Mass Destruction.

However, this really should give us a "heads up." On another note, I found a website that sells chemicals and equipment to individuals/students. <a href="http://www.postapplescientific.com/" target="_blank">http://www.postapplescientific.com/</a> . That's nothing too new, but what surprised me was that they were selling Phosphorus Oxychloride <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> . I am wondering if that is safe to order in lab sized quantities without being asked questions at gunpoint.

Here is the part of the site with POCl3: <a href="http://www.postapplescientific.com/reagents/p-pot.html" target="_blank">http://www.postapplescientific.com/reagents/p-pot.html</a>

<small>[ December 15, 2002, 01:01 PM: Message edited by: MrSamosa ]</small>

[nbk2000]

You can order a kilo of Phosphorous Pentachloride for half of what they want for the POCl. Then, simply react the PCl5 with water to make the POCl + HCl.

It's less suspicious, cheaper, and freight is less.

I'd define a chemical weapon as anything that has been used as a CW by a national army, or researched for such use. Though, give me oven cleaner and I could summon forth darkling wraiths to claim souls with it. :D

Sodium cyanide is NOT a chemical weapon. It's a poison, same as rat bait, which is NOT a CW by anyones definition.

Now, if it had been converted into HCN, THEN it would be a CW. BUT, they apparently didn't find any acid, nor apparatus of any sort like flasks or such.

[Mick]

just media hype.

as NBK said, they found no acids, flasks so he probably didn't have intent to make a CW

however, his previous record of vandalism, links to realm of choas(wtf? totse ahoy!) and general disreguard for society would be used when it goes to trial to show that, altho he didn't have the equiptment to manufacture HCN - he more then likely would have.
(in other words, he'll be convicted because "he might have done it". which is a direct contradiction of the way the law is suppose to work - "he might not have done it".)
anyways, no doubt they'll prolly pay off some tweaker to say he was going to buy the equiptment from him to convert it to HCN. which will show intent and he'll be fucked.

<small>[ December 15, 2002, 02:00 PM: Message edited by: Mick ]</small>

[megalomania]

You know what a chemical weapon is, and I know what a chemical weapon is, but lets face it, the vast majority of people in the world today are mere sheep who equate any chemical as bad. We have seen this time and time again, any spill, leak, release, or dumping sets the anthills scrambling with cries the sky is falling. Most adults at least know what cyanide is, and they know it is bad, so it is not a far stretch for the cops to grunt “Him have bad chem, could kill, bad man.”

The fact that he is a homeless wastrel cannot but hurt his case. He obviously will not be able to afford any attorney and I am sure his overworked public defender will do all he can to clear his client from his docket. Even if his lawyer does bother to look up the fact that possession of chemicals isn’t actually against the law (lawyers at least get an education as opposed to cops) the damage will be done. He may get off but the coppers will get their budget increase to buy riot shields and interrogation instruments.

Technically a sharpened stick could kill every human being on the entire planet. Do we ban all trees? Give it time. The sheeple can wrap their heads around sticks, but they crap their pants when they whisper about the legend of the cyanide toting anarchist lurking in the dank recesses of the sewers. Of course this guy probably didn’t have a plausible reason to possess any chemical. He compounded this by storing it in public property. It all leads to our all knowing and infinitely wise government singing the sheep to sleep, all safe in their beds, with dreams of giving up their freedoms so Big Brother doesn’t lop off their heads.