AirSoft

[Victim]

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A few spec's:
Weight: 3.20kg
Maximum Range: 45 feet
Muzzle Velocity: 286 fps
Rounds per Minute: 650


And the price? Only £250!
I'm thinking of getting it, and just wonder'd what other members thought about my choice of weapon, as I mostly snipe, and with the bi pod and the 4x40 scope, it makes a not bad peice of kit, the ammo is the .6mm plastic bb's, just wonder'd what other member's of the Forum thought of the sport. And would like to hear any storys of your day's out doing the sport if you have any.



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[deezs]

Man! You must be fuckin rich!
Here, in Hungary, you can buy air guns for less than 50 USD. The best are the members of the Slavia series. They are under 7.5 joule, but it's enough for smaller birds (pigeons, starlings). I think 15 meters maximum range is ridiculous. After a few days of practicing, I've shoot 3 bullets to a 3cm diameter circle, from 40 meters with a Slavia 631(without scope). Ok, I had to point 20cm over the target, but the bullet had still enough energy to hit through a tin. It holds just one bullet, but it is the best to practice.

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"To avoid injury in a battle, watch them from the nearer hill."

[Victim]

I ain't rich, an I ain't poor, but these guns are designed to shoot .6mm platic bb's there not meant to hurt/kill. And for what they are I think there quite nicely priced.

[Anthony]

I personally wouldn't buy it because I think it's badly over priced for what it is, but if you're into Airsoft then I guess people will pay for it.

deezs, Airsoft is like paintball, the guns are designed to be shot at other people and not hurt them.

What method does that Airsoft rifle use for propelling the BBs?

[Victim]

Electronic hop up. For those that don't know what hop up is, I shall explain:
Hop up, is when the "bullet" is fired from the gun, the barrle is slighty bent upwards to give the "bullet" spin, therefore giving it more lift, and a further flight length.
I would splash out on this rifle with all the extras, (laser, touch, bipod, scope, night vison, ammo clamps, drum mags, hi velocity addon's the lot), but im tearing between a vidcam corder to capture the "experiments" on, or this rifle. I don't know which to get, but by the 17'th, I will have made my up my mind, as thats the date I get my money of my Solictor. http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

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[Victim]

<center>
http://www.airsoft.org/database/photos/gallery2/vidstill3.gif</center>These guns to have some hitting power, I just got a picture of someone in an airsoft game, he was protecting the bunker from being overrun, and as you can see from the picture that, these .6mm plastic bb's can still pack a punch, the person firing the shot, was about 27/28meters away!

[Anthony]

That picture looks like the guy's kicked up that dirthttp://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

£250 seems quite a lot for an electric hop up gun. You can't be serious about putting a night vision scope on that thing, it'd be such a waste and about twice the cost of the gun!

Aren't airsoft guns limited to 0.5J muzzle energy?

[Victim]

That picture is taken from a video, you can download the video from <a href="http://www.airsoft.org/swanley.rm">this address</a>, you can legally (so I've read on these Airsoft web pages) have them up to 650fps, but on spring rifles you need a license to have them over 12fps and pistol's 6fps correct? So the site where I got the information from could be wrong, or these Airsoft products could be differant as they all use electronic's to power them, does anyone have any knowledge of the legality of these? As I don't want to have to pay for something for it to be taken off me as I don't own the correct license..

[Donutty]

OK, as the resident airsoft expert (don't mean to boast), I'll just clarify things and provide my opinion.

Firstly, I own 3 AEGs (An M4A1, AK47 and MP5SD6) and am a member of an Airsoft club. My personal opinion is that the SIG you have selected is reasonably priced, but bear in mind that getting a complete outfit from www.wolfs-lair.co.uk (http://www.wolfs-lair.co.uk) or www.airsoftdynamics.co.uk (http://www.airsoftdynamics.co.uk) will save you more. If you have a credit card (god bless Visa!) then buy from abroad, as I do - they work out up to half price sometimes.

Spring bolt-action type sniper rifles such as the APS2 are limited to 500fps and full auto is limited to 328 fps in the UK. Keep your gun within those ranges and you'll be OK. Anything above that and it's classed as a Section 5 firearm (i.e. A REAL full auto rifle)

Any other info needed, just ask!

[Victim]

Only one, You Got Pics?! http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Anthony]

"have them up to 650fps, but on spring rifles you need a license to have them over 12fps and pistol's 6fps correct?"

That 12fps for rifles and 6fps for pistols should be 12fp and 6fp.

fps = Feet Per Second and is a measure of velocity.

fp or fpe = Foot Pounds (Energy) and is a measure of muzzle energy.

Unlicensed air weapons in the UK are limited to 12ft/lbs for rifles and 6ft/lbs for pistols. Air Soft guns don't even come close to these limits.

[Victim]

Sorry for the cunfusion - Donutty, whats the cheapist M203 you've seen? And do you think that ammo's pretty pricy for the Grenade Launcher attachment? (£19.99 for 3) Can you reuse them? or are they one shot pot?

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[kingspaz]

donutty, where from abroad do you buy your guns from?

[nbk2000]

For those of us lucky enough to live where you can have a REAL gun, SIMUNITIONS is the shit you'd want!

They're bullets made of a plastic shell with a dye filling that fire from REAL guns. Their full caliber and will cycle automatic weapons like MP5s and such.

More expensive than paintballs (and more painful too!), but the realism is much better. It's what the US Special Forces, FBI, DEA, and other alphabet agencys are using for their training.

The ammo is supposedly restricted to LEOs, but I've found it available through the net at various ammo dealers.

The only advantage I could see th airsoft would be indoor room clearing excercises because of the low noise and no paint damage.

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[deezs]

Don't you need protective glasses to play with things like this? That guy on the photo hasn't any.

How can you attach photos to the post?

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[Anthony]

Might be harder getting the MP5 to fire them with thoughhttp://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/tongue.gif

The guy in the photo has a pair of goggles hidden under the brim of his cap I think.

[Donutty]

The guy DOES have goggles under his hat. Thats probably the first rule of airsoft; wear eye protection. The second being always count you hits - because no mark is made, the game relies on honesty.

I don't have any 'posey' pictures of my weapons, but I can make some!

[PYRO500]

that's anotherthing that sucks about airsoft, too many cheaters, even when I play paintball you can still see people wiping hits off of their sholders. that's why some people that play paintball mix those silver glitter paintballs in with their regular stuff, that way every couple of times you hit someone they are marked with this glitterish paint that you can't wipe off. problem is that last time I checked that paint was very expensive. that's probably why they mix it with the regular paint

[Victim]

Donutty, please show us few "posey" pictures.

EDIT: Just wanted to ask the same question as kingspaz said, where oversea's do you order from (and yes I have a visa http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif )

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[Donutty]

Sorry m8, The Wargamers Club (http://www3.wargameclub.com/WGC_Shop/), Red Wolf Airsoft (http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/) to name a few. Check out http://www.airsoftzone.com/links.cfm for a good selection of links.

[Victim]

Anyways, Sod the camcorder, I'll get a digital camera or something for like £70, im getting the gun I wanted in the first place. But decided to get a blank as well, always wanted one, I got some pictures, as shown below, its a Desert Eagal 8mm blank, with it I get the pistol pressure activated laser, and 50 8mm blanks for £126:
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http://www.battleorders.co.uk/acatalog/bf54.JPGThe Gun.


http://www.battleorders.co.uk/acatalog/BO8m.jpgThe Ammo.


http://www.battleorders.co.uk/acatalog/Saf621.jpgThe Laser</center>
all taken from www.battleorders.co.uk (http://www.battleorders.co.uk)

[kingspaz]

thanks donutty http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

[Donutty]

OUCH! £130! GET GUN MART! You'll find lots of better prices in there!

[Victim]

I thought £126 was cheap! lol, guess not, I just brought a copy of Gun Mart, and there is a nice selection. But I've not seen the one I want so, unless I see it before the 17th, Im going to be placing an order with battleorder's. And btw, does anyone know if you need a license you purchase the 8mm blanks from gunshops? Or just legal age?

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[Predator]

Well you can order blanks from battleorders without a license, so I doubt you'll need a license to get it from a proper gunshop

Just maybe ID saying you are over 17

[Victim]

I thought the same about the ID for being over 17, but thats ok as I am over 17.

[AR-15 Man]

NBK, where on the web did you find simunations for sell? That would be a great training aid I need. I wonder if it would cycle in an AR-15? Well if it didn't I always could find an old buffer spring and cut it down and stretch it out.

[Donutty]

Nah, you don't need a license to buy blanks.

I'm well pissed off now btw, I had to work an extra 1hr 1/2 and driving on the way back I had a fool all the way up the back end of my car!! Grrr...time to take the anger out on a game of CS*

* = Does anyone else here play Counter Strike??

[A-BOMB]

Ya, I play counter-strike and firearms, day of defeat, team fortress classic, action half-life and wanted half-life. Boy do I love half-life and FireArms has it all over on Counter-Strike! http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

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[-A-]

Of course I play CS...
Well, the problem with simunition training is that it is expensive. You need a REAL gun. Then you need a modification to use simunitions. And simunitions themselves are not cheap.
Airsoft is fun if there is a club or a good place to play, and interested and honest people to play with. I once played with some friend in a counter strike type of game, we had to assault a house filled with terrorists hehe, we even used flashbangs (reduced in power of course, nobody wants to get blind and deaf...). The good thing about airsoft guns is that they are exact replicas of the real guns. That's why many people like them, perhaps they will never fire a real mp5 but they can have an mp5 airsoft gun and fire bb's. BTW, airsoft guns fire with a mechanism where a piston with a spring is compressed with some gears and an electrical motor, then it is released, and the air pressure is delivered through a nozzle that pushes the bb. The good thing is that you can have single and FULL AUTO fire which is LOTS of fun, and other of the main reasons people like airsoft guns.
However, I agree with the guy that said that a night scope was too much... instead, buy a red dot scope that will cost you less than US$35, look at cheaper than dirt site.
Oh, and a lot of people buy airsoft from Hong Kong as airsoft equipment is a lot cheaper, just add taxes and shipping and compare with your local prices to see if it is worth it.

[BrAiNFeVeR]

I play Unreal Tournament, much better then CS !! The graphics are waaay better and the gameplay too !!

But lately (ever since i discovered the forum) i spend more and more time in my "lab" then behind the computer (I used to play 6 to 8 hours / day, now, it's only 4 to 5 hours ;-)

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[AR-15 Man]

Well we have the REAL guns. Of coarse in Semi auto. We have .223 and 9mm weapons. I don't care what the damn cost is I want real hits that hurt out of our weapons. I don't know how bad airsoft hurts but I am sure if you adrenline is running you might not be able to tell plus I would like to run it with our gear. So you wouldn't be able to tell if the hit is there. I mean paintball is ok but I need better ballistics. And realistic ammo usage. IMHO cost isn't an issue when my life is at stake. This isn't for fun and game and I don't feel ready enough to do live fire with the whole team yet.

[EventHorizon]

Never played airsoft, and only played paintball a few times. MUCH rather shoot my .308 @ 500yds. Films cans of AP at 100yds is fun too. http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/biggrin.gif

[This message has been edited by EventHorizon (edited August 07, 2001).]