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photonic
July 3rd, 2002, 02:35 AM
Several weeks ago my friends and I buried about 1 kg of APAN in a hole in his backyard. We were going to use it to remove a lot of dirt that had washed up on a fence. Unfortunately, I first attempt at detonation it failed and we left to go eat. When I came back my friend had dug out the dirt himself and effectivley buried that APAN somewhere never to be found again.
This got me thinking about if there was a way of detecting explosives that doesn't require extremely complicated electronics. Something similar to a metal detector but for explosives. I was thinking that almost all explosives made involve nitration and therefore they might all have a similar "signature." For example, maybe all the vapors of nitrate explosives would be reflective/responsive to a certain wavelength of light. I suppose if this was possible it would already be in use for something like mine detection, but it's worth thinking about. All the detection methods I've read about analyze particles and are exremely complicated(check out <a href="http://www.iontrack.com" target="_blank">http://www.iontrack.com</a> it's amazing). Any ideas as to the possibilty/practicallity of this?

PYRO500
July 3rd, 2002, 03:07 AM
well, if you can generate high energy ionizing radiation and have a few dozen grand of equipment you can make a bomb detector similar to the ones in airports but I don't think that many of us have that kind of funding. If you want to find that AN you'll probably eventually notice a really green spot in the area or a dead spot. netal detectors are best suited for this job beacuse most people (not all)encase their AN in metal from what I've seen.

vulture
July 3rd, 2002, 08:43 AM
Use a hose to shower your garden with something that changes color when reacting with NH4NO3. Nitrates indicators are: Benzyltriphenylphosphoniumchloride <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> , Brucin, Chromotropicacid :confused: , Diphenylamine, Dimethylphenol, Indol, Nitron, Nixons reagens, Lunge-reagens, Phenazon and Hydroquinone (hydrochinon).

The last one is interesting since it can be bought as photochemical. I don't know what the color change is though.

<small>[ July 03, 2002, 07:44 AM: Message edited by: vulture ]</small>

Mick
July 4th, 2002, 12:38 PM
i don't get it...

if your friend dug the hole out, then the charge is going to be in the pile of dirt next to the hole.

i don't understand how you "lose" a charge.

if it went in the hole, then logic tells us it must come back out.

oh, and as far as "Economical Explosive Detection" goes, buy a dog.
perferably one thats smarter then your friends.

<small>[ July 04, 2002, 11:40 AM: Message edited by: Mick ]</small>