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PrimoPyro

August 7th, 2002, 08:17 AM

The author of this thread just might find this interesting. This particular entry Im about to paste here relates to Texas, USA IDs. Compliments of our loyal analyst MaDMAx from The Hive, and his product of boredom.

"Novelty ID Bookmark Reply

So you want a novelty ID. Don't try to buy one from one of those online places, most of them are scams. So make your own. The best place for information that I've found is a bulletin board that is nowhere near as good as the hive, but still has good info. <a href="http://counterfeitlibrary.com/cl/forums/default.asp" target="_blank">http://counterfeitlibrary.com/cl/forums/default.asp</a>

I know it is a pain in the ass to read and read and read, so I've done it and will try to condense it into this one post.

There are two main types of ID used today, PVC cards, and laminated cards. To make a PVC card, you need a PVC card printer, which are pretty expensive, so I will focus on the laminated cards, which can be made to look like a PVC card if necessary. I will also focus on the Texas DL, which is a laminated card, because that is what I have experience with.

Equipment and Supplies

Computer with graphics editing program
Printer
Scanner
Digital camera (optional)
Teslin synthetic paper
Lamination pouches (7 mil thickness for Texas)
PhotoEZ silkscreen stencil
Transparent silkscreen base
Gold and UV pigments

I can't post sources, but there are some online stores that cater to people making "novelty ID's", and if you go to the bulletin board I named above and do some reading, you will find sources for these products listed.

First, you need a computer with a graphical editing program on it. Most people use Adobe Photoshop, but I use Paint Shop Pro, which can be downloaded for a free 60 day trial here: <a href="http://www.jasc.com/download_4.asp?" target="_blank">http://www.jasc.com/download_4.asp?</a>

If you want to make an ID for Texas, then you are in luck, because the next thing you need is a template, called a temp at that other BB, and I have a Texas temp which I have made and will share. This is basically an image of the drivers license (DL) with a blank area for the picture and personal information. If you want to make an ID for another state, you will have to scan in a real ID using a very high resolution (like 1200 dpi), and use that as a base for making your template. It will take a long time, especially if you don't yet know how to use your graphics editing program.

So once you have your template, you take a picture of yourself with a digital camera, resize it to be the right size for the ID, cut out your head and shoulders, and paste it in the right place on your ID. If you don't have access to a digital camera, you can take a normal photograph of yourself and scan it in (high res, 1200 dpi) and use that.

Then you need to enter your novelty information (name, address, etc.) in the correct areas. It is very nice if you can find the correct font, but I couldn't so I painstakingly scanned in ID's and cut letters and numbers until I had the entire alphabet and numerical digits. Then I spent hours cleaning them up. And you can cut and paste these one at a time to fill in your info. You will also have to sign a white piece of paper with your novelty signature, scan this in, size it correctly, clean it up, and cut and paste it to the correct place on the temp.

Once your novelty ID is complete on your computer, you need to print it out. There is a synthetic type of paper called teslinTM (it is some kind of polyolefin) that is best. It can be obtained from online stores that cater to ID makers, as sheets with 8 perforated card size areas, and a sheet with measurements to help you line up you pic. There is laser printer teslin, which you don't want unless you have a color laser printer, and inkjet printer teslin, which has one side of the teslin coated to work with inkjet printers. So you put your teslin sheets in your color inkjet printer making sure to orient it so that the correct side (it will feel a little bit smoother than the other side) will be printed on, open up the page setup window, set the left and top margins to whatever the paper that came with the teslin says, and print out a draft. If it is lined up perfectly on the perforated card area, great. If it isn't, then you will have to use a ruler to measure how far off it is, and adjust these settings on the page setup window to make it line up. Then you need to figure out what printer setting gives the best picture. On my HP deskjet 960 c, the automatic selection works great, but if yours doesn't have this then you will have to experiment. It is in the print window, under "properties" I believe, and supposedly the matte photo paper settings work pretty well. So print out the front of your license already.

Now you also need to print the back, which is usually pretty simple, and only black. Since inkjet teslin only has one side coated, printing on the back is more difficult. Colors won't come out right, but black will be OK if you set the paper type to the right setting. Once again, the setting is located under "properties" on the print window. For my printer, the automatic selection doesn't work well, and I have to set it to special papers, hp iron on transfer. Now flip your teslin over, set the margins to print in the right place, and print the back. Supposedly some of the ID shops started carrying double sided inkjet teslin, so if you get this, then you don't have to worry about which side you print the front and which side you print the back on.

So now you laminate. At these same stores that cater to ID makers, you can purchase "butterfly pouches" which are clear laminating material that is cut and creased so that it will fold and sandwich your teslin printed ID that you printed out, and isn't it nice that the perforated teslin and butterfly pouch are the same size (the size of a state ID) and already have the corners rounded? Yes. Then you purchase a laminator machine from an office products store for $40 or so, and run your pouch sandwiched teslin card through it, using the cardboard carrier that comes with the pack of butterfly pouches. If your state ID has a magnetic stripe on the back (Texas does), then you should get lamination pouches that have a magnetic stripe on them. These magnetic stripes can be encoded if you happen to have an encoder.

What about the sparkly gold "holograms" that glow under UV light? Well those require more work and I'll tell you how to do it. There are two methods refered to as the "Alps method", and the "PhotoEZ method". I won't talk about the Alps method because I haven't used it, but if you go to the forums I listed at the top of this you can read up on it. You will have to buy another printer for it.

The photoEZ method involves making a silkscreen stencil, mixing up some clear base paint with gold sparkle and UV powder, and painting onto the inside of the lamination pouch, so you better do this before laminating. Obtain your photoEZ stencil, which is a piece of silk screen coated with a light sensitive coating. Print an image of your hologram on a clear transparency sheet (it should cover the entire area of the ID you are making), place the transparency sheet over the photoEZ stencil, place in the correct amount of light for the correct amount of time (various different times for different light sources will come with the photoEZ instructions), put your photoEZ stencil in some water, and the areas hidden from light by your printed transparency will dissolve. You may need to aid it with some light rubbing. Dry your stencil.

Now to prepare the paint. A transparent screenprinting base will be needed, and some gold powder pigments. For Texas, people recommend a 50/50 mixture of Pearlex interference gold and sparkle gold, but I think a mixture that is much higher, possibly only interference gold looks better. If you want it to be UV active like the real licenses, you will have to find some kind of green UV pigment to add. I found some green glow in the dark powder that works OK. Experiment with ratios of powder to transparent base to get a good product, but supposedly a 1:50 powder to transparent base weight ratio works well. Place your stencil over the inside of your lamination pouch (correct side down according to the photoEZ instructions), pour some of your paint on it, and smear it with the spatula that comes with the photoEZ kit. Lift the stencil and let the pouch dry. Then procede as above with lamination.

Note: The photoEZ method takes lots of practice to get a decent looking "hologram", so don't be expecting instant success. It is a bitch. It is also possible to buy lamination pouches with the "holograms" already on them for ~$8 each from some novelty ID shops.

Once you have laminated your ID, use some sand paper so sand the edges smooth, and the corners round, and you're done! It will likely take you many tries to get it looking good, but there is nothing complicated about it, anyone can do it. It just takes time, and they can look and feel amazingly real. If you get good at it, this method can yield a license that will fool anyone not trained to spot fakes. So go do it and use your new "novelty ID" to fool your friends and family into thinking you are actually 100 years old!"

End post.

There is more information that I can copy if anyone decides they are further interested, and I can even upload the pictures of his finished photoshop IDs. (very very high resolution, large size pictures. very nice)

Hope this has been helpful and/or entertaining. He milked counterfeit library for all it was worth, hahaha.

PrimoPyro

zaibatsu

August 7th, 2002, 02:49 PM

God knows where this should go, but not here. I'll move it to the tools and techniques section

Energy84

August 7th, 2002, 05:03 PM

Would it be possible to direct me to the link where you got all this info? if not mabye upload it somewhere? Thank you very much! :)

Ctrl_C

August 7th, 2002, 06:44 PM

excellent. I've been looking for info on photolithography techniques for making holograms. thanks for the great info.

PrimoPyro

August 7th, 2002, 07:15 PM

No problem. There is more information as well, I only copied the FIRST post in that thread so as to not waste space if no one was interested.

I will copy the rest in a few moments. I will have to upload my personal copies of some of the files, and I dont think I have them all, so I'll request copies from the author (he's a friend of mine) because the server which he had them on has been abandoned out of paranoia. [laugh]

I can't just post a direct link because it's from an internal forum for members only, at The Hive. You can visit The Hive at <a href="http://www.the-hive.ws" target="_blank">http://www.the-hive.ws</a> and please be sure to read the rules and FAQ just like you would here. Likewise as our topic is forbiddon here, yours is forbiddon there. Just so you know.

If you just HAVE to view the real thread, follow these instructions, AFTER logging into a registered username. This room is unaccessible to the public. Go to the search engine, and look through the field list until you see "by post number" and type in 277569 and hit search. You will be taken to the first post of that thread.

For those that don't wish to go there, I will post the info here in a couple minutes.

PrimoPyro

Energy84

August 7th, 2002, 07:39 PM

No need to repost it all here. I'll try and get there by your directions. Thankyou very much. :)

PrimoPyro

August 7th, 2002, 07:45 PM

Here is the good stuff from the thread. I'll edit out most of the BS as I paste it here. I will also omit most usernames except that of the author who should get the credit for this, as he did it all on his own and should be recognized.

Begin thread after previously posted first post.

Goiterjoe:

Damn, it's been a while since I messed with these, but I think I can help you with some pointers.

First of all, take your back template, rotate it 180°, and attach it to the bottom of your front template. Now all you have to do is fold the sheet over on itself and trim with a razor to have it perfectly lined up. you don't have to depend on your printer. Also, you can take a glue stick and lightly smear the back of the template before you fold it to help it stick together. This will give high quality photo paper the proper weight for the ID. After you have this part ready, you need to make your hologram. Get some overhead transparency sheets, print the hologram on these, and cut it to double the size of the ID. Fold it around the id so that it completely envelopes the ID. next, you want to make it blacklight reactive. take the card out of it, and get a couple of drops of liquid laundry detergent and a hobby paint brush. Lightly coat the back of the hologram transparency with a small film of the liquid laundry detergent and check it with a blacklight. It will glow brightly (I think because of the phospates?); make sure it is not smudged. If so, either blot it out with a wet paint brush or start over. When you're done, put it under a heat lamp for a few minutes to help dry it out. Afterwards, place the card back into the transparency so that the hologram is positioned correctly, and press it out flat. Now all you have to do is laminate it up. Trim your laminated license with a fresh razor and a straight edge; this is the only way you're going to get a clean even cut. Round out your corners with a nail clipper, and then use the file to smooth out the cuts.

Does anyone know if NY is still using that rubberized cardstock? Those ID's are awesome looking, and seemed impossible to duplicate.

MaDMAx:

I think what you are referring to as "rubberized card stock" is laminated teslin. If you get the pre perforated teslin I talked about and print on the front and back, then laminate this, it is basically exactly like the real state ID's. TX anyways. Same thickness, and you can bend it end to end without it creasing, and it snaps right back to shape. Plus with the perforated material and lamination pouches you don't have to deal with getting it square, the right size, and the corners rounded right, because that is already done.

Goiterjoe:

they have a card that looks like PVC, but you cand bend it end to end and twist the hell out of it without deforming it.

MaDMAx:

That's laminated teslin. I saved copies of the temp and the alphabet as .gif's and uploaded them to a geocities website. I would have saved them as .psd's but they were too big for geocities. Here they are:

<a href="http://www.geocities.com/indanyl/txblank.gif" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/indanyl/txblank.gif</a>
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/indanyl/txback.gif" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/indanyl/txback.gif</a>
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/indanyl/alphabet.gif" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/indanyl/alphabet.gif</a>

Copy the address and paste it into a new browser window and hit enter. When the picture comes up, right click on it and save it on your harddrive. Then you can open it with your graphics editing program and add your picture and change the information to your novelty info.

A real temp, in .psp or .psd form with layers and fonts would be awesome, but this is good enough to work.

(note by PrimoPyro: dont everyone go to these links, Geocities are fuckers and limit your bandwidth. I will re-upload these pictures to <a href="http://www.methinfo.com" target="_blank">www.methinfo.com</a> a real shitty trash site full of tweakers and ignorance. We regularly exploit their moderator-less format for uploading of pictures for free and unlimited bandwidth. Note that only *.gif and *.jpg can be uploaded though)

Owner of server at the time:

I would like to add these files are for educational purposes only, and not to be used in place of your real ID that you dont want anyone to see cuz you got warrants up the wahzoo and you have neglected to pay your child suport cuz you needed sudo and the cops wont stop lookin for your ass, then you went to the store and got ice cream cuz its um um good.

(heh, I thought that was funny :p )

MaDMAx:

So did nobody find this post helpful? I figured that most people here would be interested in a fake ID. You can use it to get a mailbox to have chemicals sent to, etc. And it is most definitely not impossible to make one, probably easier than any of the syntheses here.

Oh, and supposedly there is a product called Liquitex Interference Gold that will work better than the speedball clear base and gold powder for the holograms. They are cheap, so you could buy both and experiment.

Holo breakthrough! Bookmark Reply

Not that anyone cares (except you, Fully_Auto ), but one of the chaps over at the counterfeit library discovered a better way of making holo's than the PhotoEZ method. He used it for PVC cards, but I gave it a try with teslin and a couple of changes, and it worked outstandingly!

Get a normal transparency sheet (not inkjet transparency sheet), open your graphics editing program, open the pic of your holo, make sure it is reversed (left/right, or in otherwords backwards), make it light yellow instead of black, then print it out on the transparency sheet with your inkjet printer.

Now take some of your Pearl Ex interferernce gold powder, get a makeup brush, or tissue, or something, dip it in the powder, hold it over the printed area, and lightly blow gold dust over the printing. The gold will stick to the ink. Then with a clean tissue, very lightly brush away the excess and cut out the printed area with some scissors.

Take your printed teslin ID card that hasn't been laminated yet, line up the transparency with holos over it, place this in the cardboard carrier that comes with your pack of lamination pouches, and run it through the laminator.

Now peel the transparency sheet off of the teslin, and the gold holos will be on there. Laminate your teslin with a clean, clear lamination pouch and you're done! It might be a little too dark (I think it is for TX), but the transparency still has some gold powder on it, and if you line it up again on another teslin card and run it through the laminator, it will work again but lighter. Just right I think for Texas.

This is easier, cheaper, and gives better results than the PhotoEZ method.

If you already have a good inkjet printer, then it doesn't take much. Teslin sheets, lamination pouches, and gold powder can all be had for probably less than $20. A laminator from an office store is around $40.

MaDMAx:

TX holo Bookmark Reply

Oh yeah, I forgot to upload the holo layer to hooked's website. I'll upload it to my geocities site, then later see if hooked will put it on his site. I'll do the normal holo in black, and the reversed holo in yellow. Use the reverse holo in yellow with the transparency method.

Have you tried any of the ID Works software?

That software is of no use for this. See my post in the $$ Anonymous Credit Card $$ thread for the explanation.

edit: Here are the geocities links:

For the reversed yellow one: <a href="http://www.geocities.com/indanyl/holorevyellow.gif" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/indanyl/holorevyellow.gif</a>

For the normal black one: <a href="http://www.geocities.com/indanyl/holoblack.gif" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/indanyl/holoblack.gif</a>

(Ill re-upload these as well.)

The TX ID doesn't have that faint image behind the text like some other state ID's do. Just the main picture on the blue background.

Glad to hear someone is accomplishing something from this post! For the holos, inkjet transparencies are not what you want, because you don't want the ink from your inkjet printer to dry on the transparency sheets (which is what will happen if you use inkjet transparency sheets). You want it to stay wet, so that when you sprinkle the interference gold powder on to it, it sticks. Just use the cheap as shit normal transparency sheets (~$0.30 a piece)

On the back, nothing needs to be hand written or filled in. Just print it out like it is and don't add anything.

Moron Punk that I hate:

Novelty ID is amateur shuit, YUK. dont know dont care, head to the geneology department.

MaDMAx:

??? Bookmark Reply

I think novelty ID's are a very useful part of clandestine chemistry. If by amatuer you mean easy to do, then I agree. Easier than most synths, so the people here should do it.
If you are suggesting that one should skip the novelty ID making and work on setting up a whole new legitimate (government issued) identity, then I wholeheartedly agree, but that takes LOTS of time and work, and some luck. I think the people here should also try that too.

Creating a whole new legitimate identity just to rent a mailbox and buy some chems is totally unnessary, and way too much work. A novelty ID will work just fine and takes WAY less time and effort. I would never waste a clean new identity on something as petty as renting a mailbox for chems.

TX font Bookmark Reply

I got a font that works really well for TX driver's licenses. You can download it from here: <a href="http://www.geocities.com/indanyl/Swiss721BT.zip" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/indanyl/Swiss721BT.zip</a>
Just download it, unzip it, and put it in the correct fonts folder. Then, instead of cutting and pasting all the letters, you can just use the "type" function of your graphics editing program and select this font as the font, and adjust the size until it looks right.

(note by PrimoPyro: Someone needs to download that zip and put it somewhere else for everyone to download. Geocities will quickly limit the memebrs' downloading here. Fucking bastards...)

End Thread.

Sorry for some of the less useful stuff included. I didn't want to take the time to edit all 40 replies to that thread, so I cut and pasted it on a "go or no go" basis. Either the entire reply got pasted, or not at all. I cut out a lot of BS as it was.

Ok, Im uploading the pics to methinfo.com. Its taking forever on the 1st one because its a tad more than 3MB. Shit, I cant upload the 3MB file, someone will have to put it somewhere else if Geocities lmits it (fuckers....heh)

The others are now available at:

<a href="http://www.methinfo.com/boards/general/binaries/18/18652.gif" target="_blank">http://www.methinfo.com/boards/general/binaries/18/18652.gif</a>
<a href="http://www.methinfo.com/boards/general/binaries/18/18653.gif" target="_blank">http://www.methinfo.com/boards/general/binaries/18/18653.gif</a>
<a href="http://www.methinfo.com/boards/general/binaries/18/18654.gif" target="_blank">http://www.methinfo.com/boards/general/binaries/18/18654.gif</a>
<a href="http://www.methinfo.com/boards/general/binaries/18/18655.gif" target="_blank">http://www.methinfo.com/boards/general/binaries/18/18655.gif</a>

The name of the file I couldnt upload here was "txblank" in the geocities file.

Alright, thats it! Coming next: Anomyous Credit Cards! Stay tuned, same bee time, same bee channel. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

PrimoPyro

probity

August 8th, 2002, 10:58 PM

Nice work man, lots of information and useful images :)

Eliteforum

August 8th, 2002, 11:43 PM

PrimoPyro - Contact me.

Edit - Everytime I try to click on the email feature, I get the "sorry the administrator has enabled flood feature" and this is WHENEVER I try it.. Whats going on? A bug?

[ August 08, 2002, 10:44 PM: Message edited by: Eliteforum ]

probity

August 9th, 2002, 04:01 AM

I did a little looking around from the links supplied by primopyro and found the following:

<a href="http://zuna.web1000.com/faq.htm" target="_blank">http://zuna.web1000.com/faq.htm</a> -- primo covered most of this
<a href="http://www.brainstormidsupply.com" target="_blank">http://www.brainstormidsupply.com</a> -- various supplies
<a href="http://midhack.7p.com" target="_blank">http://midhack.7p.com</a> -- holographic supplies
<a href="http://www.holopouches.com" target="_blank">http://www.holopouches.com</a> -- holopouches
<a href="http://www.idsupply.com" target="_blank">http://www.idsupply.com</a> -- various

66.74.253.4:21 ids/novelty -- ftp hosted by #identification@dalnet lots of good templates.

I'm downloading the templates right now, I'll zip them up and upload them to the forum ftp since the ftp mentioned goes up and down.

AfterRain

October 20th, 2002, 10:13 AM

Heres a site
fakeidfaq.com
u:jeff p:jeff ... and yea that dalnet room is very good..

-------- Nah that user name and pwd work....
<a href="http://www.fakeidfaq.com/members/how/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.fakeidfaq.com/members/how/index.html</a>
then jeff:jeff

[ October 20, 2002, 03:07 PM: Message edited by: AfterRain ]

darkdontay

October 20th, 2002, 03:24 PM

Pass seems to be invaild.. Place looks nice but no way to sample their content, before you give them money. :mad:

Eliteforum

October 20th, 2002, 06:32 PM

I can log in fine, perhaps it might not have worked for you as someone else was logged in at that time with the same username/password?

AfroFukinPyro

October 20th, 2002, 06:41 PM

If you have an older cousin or sibling that looks like you can get them to claim that they lost their drivers’ license. They will get a new one and you get their old one; one of my friends did this and it works well. Someone else I know has a drivers license that says she's 19 (she's 16) because they made a mistake while printing it, but that’s beyond your control.

A friend of mine received a confidential bar pass through the reserves, and he's only 16. I was surprised that they gave him ID that entitled him to go anywhere where minors are prohibited. I thought the army was a totally strict and legal institute, especially the Canadian one.

darkdontay

October 20th, 2002, 08:33 PM

Yeha you were right Elite, It worked just about ten minutes ago.. I grabbed somethings and then jumped off so it would be opend to the next person..

MoToMaStR

October 22nd, 2002, 04:30 PM

Hah, this might sound stupid,... but it works really fucking good. get a job at a retail sales place like I have. (I work at radio shack,... go figure) Heres the trick..., if you know anything about sales,... you know about doing con work and bullshitting customers into buying the most expensive things you sell,... shit like that. Well, iv had atleast 3 occasions where when you stamp the recipt, and the customer leaves their credit card in the stamp, or you "accidently" forgot to give it back. Well, 2 nights ago, this woman bought 2 cell phones from me, and payed using a check. Anyone whos farmiliar with checks knows you need a drivers liscense to use them. To make a long story short, the woman pulled out her DL wich was in a plastic sheath along with her social security card and she left it on the counter when she left. I really wanted to take it. Theres no cameras in my store and the manager was gone. But, to keep my reputation for being honest, I puller her check from the draw and found her phone number and called and left a message for her to pick it up. So heres the trick, you DONT call back,.. you take the ID's home, use that drivers liscense and social security to get a county ID,, then go to DMV and tell them you lost your drivers liscense and give them your county id and your social security card for proof of ID. =) most places dont ask for more then your social security card or a birth certificate. or if your ID doesnt have a picture on it,... that makes things really fucking easy. You just say your college or school or some shit requires a picture ID, and then you have YOUR FACE on their name. and its pretty legit. Then, when your ready, give back the origonal DL and social security card if you want. What you do from then on is your buisness. but the main objective is getting a job in retail sales because people are so eaisly distracted and forgetfull. They often become frustrated because your taking your time doing stuff, and they are in such a rush to get out of the place that they forget their ID's. MWAHAHAHA! I know a few other ways of getting hold of ID's. Just ask me. haha

*edit*
not that having a 40 year old womans drivers liscense would be of use to a 17 or 18 year old kid, but you could either sell, or give the ID to someone (like your mother who is all about commiting fraud) and apply for a credit card or something and start taking out 300 a night from the ATM till its empty, or buy some cool shit and ruin that persons credit, hahaha. =)

[ October 22, 2002, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: MoToMaStR ]

AfterRain

October 23rd, 2002, 04:29 PM

if anyone needs any temps or what not . drop me a line @ rob600s180@aol.com .

nbk2000

October 25th, 2002, 01:42 PM

ID cards found in the trash are good for buying things via mailorder that require it. Things like ammunition, pre-1898 firearms, tasers, and other shit that businesses want ID to cover their asses with.

Eliteforum

October 25th, 2002, 01:47 PM

:rolleyes: I was pointing out it was the first I'd heard of it on TV.

[ October 25, 2002, 06:48 PM: Message edited by: Eliteforum ]

nbk2000

October 25th, 2002, 04:08 PM

You're really starting to become an annoyance...

Machiavelli

October 25th, 2002, 04:52 PM

EF, this really is old news, trashing has been in every wannabe kiddie hacker file about credit cards since the 80s and is also routinely used by PIs. It's even in the dreaded cookbooks...

Agent Blak

November 6th, 2002, 02:16 PM

Why not apply to work at a printing shop. There you would be able to look at or pilfer the books on paper. You could ask the Pro's question about there trade. They will be more than willing to tell you if you seem interested. just don't askk how to make Fake ID... Ask how hey put UV seal on the paper.

SHit you would even have access to the equipment.

Dunkelmann

November 10th, 2002, 09:37 AM

An important issue when using fake identities is to use
a fake genetic identity as well.
if you were to commit a crime somewhere, it is more and
more common to analyze traces of organic material to get you arrested.

my suggestion is to create a genetic camouflage:
Collect genetic material from as many people as possible
(ashtrays, hairdresser or whatever) and create a powder or similiar
containing genetic material from thousands of people and cover the scene of crime with that.
this should effectively render the process of dna screening useless, preventing you from being identified.

The use of such a genetic camouflage is becoming more and more important, as the process of dna screening is used more and more, even for minor causes.

dkm

nbk2000

November 10th, 2002, 11:54 AM

I've thought that a good place to get hair fibers would be the waste bin from barbers. Lot's of hair and skin flakes there! :)

Agent Blak

November 10th, 2002, 05:27 PM

That would definitely be an interesting concept to work with. Maybe even on worthy of its own thread:

Providing you use proper protection(Gloves, Nylons to prevent hair and skin, etc.) they won't find any of your DNA; If it is there, they have to find it; and if they do find any these can admit it because it is contaminated... Oh this is gold.

Dunkelmann

November 10th, 2002, 06:51 PM

i thought this might be very valuable in the near future. I would be interested in developing this Idea a litte bit, so maybe somebody will start a new Topic, i am still a Newbie here.

In Germany, thousands of citicens are screened, and i doubt that the information gathered is only used for the one special case and discared afterwards. Soon everybody will be recognizeable by his genetic fingerprint.

My dream is to pollute a possible scene of crime with "genetic noise",
making the DNA Method much more difficult if not impossible to use.

dkm

probity

November 11th, 2002, 01:18 AM

Its a good idea, not a new one though. You'd have to place it well so that everything adds up.

Off topic:

I just finished watching the movie heat and there's a scene at the end of it where they take twelve million from a bank. They just walk out of the bank's front entrance with the money and hop in their car, however the police come and there's a major gun fight. Anyways I was thinking, the sewer system is overlooked as an escape route... they could travel a few miles through it (to get around the block off perimeter) and then "resurface" to meet up with their driver.

Agent Blak

November 11th, 2002, 07:09 PM

NBK2000 has had this Idea for awhile now. refered to sometimes as the Ninja turtle method or getaway...

Ctrl_C

December 13th, 2002, 12:50 AM

well, this topic seems to go along well with what I'm trying to do with the counterfeit season passes. (See Issues and Opinions thread: I need a good photoshopper)

I have a few questions. Can teslin be applied to a PVC card and the whole card laminated in a butterfly pouch? How thick is a credit card in mils? If you get some teslin and the 10mil butterfly pouch, they are the same as a pvc card? do the edges appear white? can photopaper and a pvc card be put into a butterfly pouch?

thanks for any input

Flake2m

December 13th, 2002, 10:47 AM

About 6-9 months ago the cops raided and arrested an armed gang.
Anyway to cut a long story short the police recovered a stolen licensing machine! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> . Thats right the gang actually had the intellingence/madness to steal a the machine used to create drivers licenses.

The driver's licenses used in Australia are VERY BLOODY HARD to forge. The are made out of plastic like a credit card. They have holograms all over the front face. The photo isn't simply stuck on the card are then laminated over, they are printed onto the card and then a sheet of plastic with holograms is laminated over them.

So, If you live in Australia and want to be able to crank out fake ID's. It is probaly easier to break in and steal a machine that makes them and a few thousand banks. Then to try and forge them.

I will try and find the article.

Eliteforum

December 13th, 2002, 11:50 AM

No idea if these would be of any use, but I thought I'd bung em here anyhow.

Student ID: <a href="http://www.boomspeed.com/eliteforum/studentID.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.boomspeed.com/eliteforum/studentID.jpg</a>

Highschool ID: <a href="http://www.boomspeed.com/eliteforum/highschoolID.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.boomspeed.com/eliteforum/highschoolID.jpg</a>

Driving License: <a href="http://www.boomspeed.com/eliteforum/DL.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.boomspeed.com/eliteforum/DL.jpg</a>

Al Nobel

December 13th, 2002, 06:18 PM

Does anyone know where to get german diplomas ,school reports and so on.A while ago i scanned my german Abi looked for the correct paper and made a new one which looked really great. I`ve read about doctors working for many years who faked their diplomas.Nice idea.

Ctrl_C

December 15th, 2002, 01:31 AM

If you find a good counterfeiting forum, you can buy almost any novelty. There are reviewers etc that rate them, and there are many people that have bought at them before. Very credible, not tough to avoid the narcs. The Cali 01's are impossible I hear. Same w/ PA. Our holo's are full spectrum as opposed to multispectrum and are pretty intricate with 2 layers, one of which has all the county names printed somewhat small.

Energy84

December 16th, 2002, 12:20 AM

I don't know why some people don't just make an ID from an easy to copy state or province and just pose as an out-of-towner. I've been lucky so far since my Manitoba still hasn't started using any holograms or shit like that.
Besides, if somebody really wants a new identity, it's easy enough to get a copy of a birth certificate and from that to get an SSN. Then with those two pieces of identity, you can actually get yourself a real drivers licence or whatever you need.
Unless of course you're trying to make money buy making these for other people... Then I'd have to say that the best quality would be if you could 'acquire' a real printing machine :D .

nbk2000

December 22nd, 2002, 03:06 AM

<img src="http://www.microtaggant.com/graphics/polaroidani.gif" alt=" - " />

Found this at <a href="http://www.microtaggant.com/laminatefilms.htm" target="_blank">http://www.microtaggant.com/laminatefilms.htm</a>

You'll also want to check this site too.

<a href="http://www.vinpro.com/Drivers-lic.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.vinpro.com/Drivers-lic.shtml</a>

[ December 22, 2002, 02:13 AM: Message edited by: nbk2000 ]

Arkangel

December 22nd, 2002, 11:19 PM

Those links were interesting, though nothing is totally secure if you really want to try hard. Energy 84's comments were interesting, as I know a guy who has both a UK and US driving license, and they use each for driving in the opposite country. Cops can't be fucked with the hassle of ticketing someone that's maybe about to leave the country and they probably don't understand too well either (obviously I'm talking about driving offences - more serious stuff is different)

I've been trying to find a contact for ages, but there was an article in some mens magazine a while ago about a company selling passports for various former British territories. These are the pukka blue british passports, but for "the dependency of St Helena" or something like that. If anyone knows of a company doing that, please let me know.

Edit: <a href="http://passports.netfirms.com/camouflage.html" target="_blank">Seek, and ye shall find!!!!!!</a>

Pricey though, you could buy a lot of kit for $350

[ December 22, 2002, 10:25 PM: Message edited by: Arkangel ]

nbk2000

December 23rd, 2002, 01:18 AM

Ah, yes, the "camouflage" passport. This might work to fool some illiterate third-world terrorist into thinking you're not worth snatching.

But don't try it with a customs inspector. They actually have to KNOW geography, and which countries still exist, and are hip to the camouflage passports.

russian_chemist

December 23rd, 2002, 03:28 PM

May i ask what possible use one has for a fake ID in real terms, and i dont want the sort of Bravado "i am a terrorist please Placate my internet facade due to me really being a geek" type answer please.

I mean really, most of us are over 18 (or what your local law limit suggests) and it interests me as to what can be done with a fake ID other than by Porn Cigarettes and Alcohol (though these are very good reasons)

Am i missing something here?

thanks
Russian_chemist

Anthony

December 23rd, 2002, 04:41 PM

This page has info on the use of Camouflage Passports (and also sells them), they start touching on the good stuff by mentioning being able to open an anonymous bank account:

<a href="http://www.privacyworld.com/auto/campp.html" target="_blank">http://www.privacyworld.com/auto/campp.html</a>

Serious fake ID (passport, driver's license) is the doorway to an untracable identity. Not many legitimate uses, but plenty of "shady" ones :)

[ December 23, 2002, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: Anthony ]

nbk2000

December 23rd, 2002, 06:03 PM

What use is fake ID?! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

Good lord man!

Tax evasion, traveling without leaving trails (like to your off-shore bank :D ), fleeing a country that doesn't like Americans (or whatever you are), getting out from under onerous child support/alimony extortion, buying firearms without them coming back to you, driving after having your license pulled, and just plain evasion of anyone looking for you or laws that say "You can't do that!".

If you're a good little citizen who always pays his taxes on time, never drives above the speed limit, doesn't protest against your governments policies, believe personal firearm possession and the 2nd amendment are obsolete concepts and the the Police are your protectors, and that nobody would have need to hide their true national orgins in a foreign land because "Everyone Loves Us", then I guess you'd have no need for a fake ID. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

But, if you're like me (No, I don't have any fake ID, but I go through AKA's like a playmate goes through lingerie. :D ) you:

Drive too fast without the extortion known as mandatory insurance or the "privilege" of a drivers "license".

Like your guns (a LOT) even though the law says you can't own them.

Don't want Big Brother to know you went to thailand to bang dozens of 14 year old gook whores, even though every GI in asia did the same thing since WW2, 'cause BB doesn't like that and might put you in prison for things you did in another country where it's perfectly legal. :rolleyes:

Or, to the caymans to keep the IRS thieves from taken half of the money you made.

Not that I have done, am doing, or will do any of the above things. But, if I ever decide to do so, I may be doing so under a name other than my own.

Suck on THAT BB! :p

[ December 23, 2002, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: nbk2000 ]

russian_chemist

December 23rd, 2002, 07:03 PM

I dont think i will ever have the fake ID that many of you proclaim. Instead i feel that you should do the following to avoid many types of detection.

Look through the records of any town hall (make it a large one so the people can not quite so easily nit pick a mistake) and find the record of a recently deceased person that would match your generation, 5 years younger or older should suffice.

Then it is up to you to look in to the background of the deceased, I found out very easily for my ghost that he was in the LASER (London And South East Region/Regiment) of the Air Training Corps.

I found that being an Air Training Corps myself i could send off for his 3822 (the book of identification that you are to carry as a manditory Identification check) ((colour varies from Purple to Red to Blue))

From this i was able to assertain the whereabouts of his dwelling, lifestyle academic achievment, and very much his whole personal profile.

From the internet (uk residents) <a href="http://www.192.com" target="_blank">www.192.com</a> i could find a gps of his house and find that he didnt or had ever lived close to me in a radius of 100 miles. Thats when you send off for your Library card in your area, knowing they dont really fuss and you tell them that you have moved there from the deceased persons (Rough adress) and from the library card you can access the National Union of Students and ask to be provided with an identification mark bearing the name of your ghost, and then finally ending up with a bank card, using two correlating cards (National Student union Card) (Library Card).

Something that you need to remember is that you can only get a savings account with the flimsy Identification that you will have, so dont try for higher as it is not worth having to look for another ghost. Once you have the savings account, Library Card and NUS card along with the 3822, on paper you have a new person.

points to add

-Be willing to put 25 pounds in the saving account to assure rest to the bank staff that dont bother paying customers

-Only use your Alias in paperwork and Identification Crisis

-------This is how far i am, i do wonder, what my next step should be. I have many doors open to me.

*ghost (the dead person that you now live from on paper!)

<a href="http://www.192.com" target="_blank">www.192.com</a> gives you a free 6 credits too, thats is 5 more than you will ever need to do this task.

I would be happy to go in to far more detail in a RTPB article if such people as NBK wish for me to do so. I could easiily fill three pages on what you can achieve with the right timing.

[ December 23, 2002, 06:11 PM: Message edited by: russian_chemist ]

nbk2000

December 23rd, 2002, 07:38 PM

It wouldn't be an RTPB. That's a short, and memorable, rule to avoid police "interest".

What you'd be writing would be an aricle for the DVD/PDF/whatever it ends up being.

I'm assuming this is strictly British? Or could it be done in the other commonwealth states like Scotland/Ireland?

Write it up man. The UK mods will review it for accuracy, and I'm looking to expand my DVD material to include a global audience. Even intend a world tour someday.

russian_chemist

December 23rd, 2002, 07:45 PM

i feel it wouldnt take me long to write up a few versions for use in the field, and if there are any problems, i would be more than happy to revert it back in to American Colloquial as well as british.

i could also write it for the french, but well basically put, fuck them. Talking of Fuck that nationality i can write in german to, but you get my drift :D

Arkangel

December 23rd, 2002, 09:59 PM

Russian_Chemist, one of the things that has impressed me most about this forum, is that no matter how sure of myself I am about a subject, there is someone here who can trip me up, or put me straight, or point out that a seemingly worthwhile post is a crock of shit. Today, that is my job for you. :D

I can’t be arsed to go through it in my full precocious majesty, but I’ll point out a few of your more obvious howlers.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />
Look through the records of any town hall................and find the record of a recently deceased person that would match your generation, 5 years younger or older should suffice.<hr /></blockquote>A recently deceased person around my age, but with a 10-year margin of error? Hard to pull off if you’re 15. The day of the Jackal described this, and identity theft of this kind is very commonplace with the people smugglers operating at the moment. My understanding is that they look for dead children, born in the same year as the “smugglee”, since no bank account, passport or driving licence would currently exist, or ever even have been applied for by this identity.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Then it is up to you to look in to the background of the deceased, I found out very easily for my ghost that he was in the LASER (London And South East Region/Regiment) of the Air Training Corps<hr /></blockquote>That would be London and South East REGION. There are no Regiments in the ATC, nor even the Air Force, except the RAF Regiment, and that is more of a “Corps”, organised by Group, Wing, Squadron, Flight, and finally, Section. If all you can find out about him is that he was in the ATC then I think you’re fucked.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />I found that being an Air Training Corps myself i could send off for his 3822 (the book of identification that you are to carry as a manditory Identification check) ((colour varies from Purple to Red to Blue)) <hr /></blockquote>Oh dear, bullshit alert RED here………. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

Since when was the RAF Form 3822 a “Mandatory ID Check? It’s official title is “Record of Service” and you don’t even have to put a photo in????

You’re supposed to carry it on ATC activities, but it is not, nor ever has been mandatory. :p

Can you tell me what years it was red or purple? I’ve only ever heard of them being shades of blue. :confused:

How does being in the ATC allow you to apply for a copy of his 3822, when no such document exists or could be produced? The original is either with the grieving parents, or with their last Sqn, and neither of them is going to send it to you on the basis that you are the "rightful owner". (falls of chair laughing!!! :D )

<blockquote>quote:<hr />From this I was able to assertain the whereabouts of his dwelling, lifestyle academic achievment, and very much his whole personal profile.<hr /></blockquote>True, it should contain some personal details, but you’re coming about them a hard way if the FIRST thing you find that this person was in the ATC (and not many currently dead kids were)

<blockquote>quote:<hr />From the internet (uk residents) <a href="http://www.192.com" target="_blank">www.192.com</a> i could find a gps of his house<hr /></blockquote>What ARE you talking about? “A GPS of his house”

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Thats when you send off for your Library card ..... knowing they dont really fuss...tell them that you have moved .....the library card you can access the National Union of Students..........then finally ending up with a bank card, using two correlating cards (National Student union Card) (Library Card)<hr /></blockquote>Why not apply for, or MAKE fake ID to get a real NUS card or Library card in your new identity????

MY points to add

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Be willing to put 25 pounds in the saving account to assure rest to the bank staff that dont bother paying customers<hr /></blockquote>EASY Tiger…….Twenty five whole QUID!!! ($37 ish) If you’d written this shit in English, maybe we’d have understood what the fuck you were talking about. And what the FUCK use is a savings account....how do you order ANYTHING over the web or phone with a paying in book?

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Only use your Alias in paperwork and Identification Crisis<hr /></blockquote>Groans.......realising that there is only so much horseshit that a person can point out in one day.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />This is how far i am, i do wonder, what my next step should be. I have many doors open to me<hr /></blockquote>Your next step, kiddo, is to stop talking out of your arse. Your generous offer of a 3 page article on the subject sounds like hilarious reading, so when you’ve done it, let us know and let’s have a giggle.

Too many people with too little to say end up saying far too much. I suspect you’re one of them, and have to let you know that this forum is not the place to do it. Someone WILL point you out for the idiot that you are.

NBK, my advice is don’t waste your time with him, you probably have to read enough garbage as it is. I'd say that he/she is currently an air cadet with little of value to say, but is trying to impress people with stuff they might not know.......OOOOPS :D

Oh, and Russian_Chemist (not the ghost of rc I hope?), my final piece of advice is if you're genuinely from England (I'm SOOOOOOO Proud :rolleyes: ), try to learn to read and fucking write in ENGLISH......or at the very least find out where the spellcheck is on your computer <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> (I bet the majority of the "Sand Niggers" in the UK can do it better than you)

teslinforsale

November 1st, 2003, 07:45 AM

SPAM!

DropNazi

November 1st, 2003, 04:30 PM

In the Customs world for the quality of a fake they use the distance at how far they could tell its a fake. The photos of the Camo Passports are really small and maybe represent how it would look at 10 feet, and there is a huge mistake on all of them. Any1 who looks at passports would find this mistake easy including terrorist.

Flake2m

November 2nd, 2003, 12:51 AM

It is harder to get hold of decent fake IDs. However the real question is; where does an Aussie look to find a decent fake ID?

I know in the UK the method of using a dead person to create a new Identity still works, 30 years after it was exposed in The day of the Jackal. All the records office needs to do is purchase some stamps and stamp the records with a D for duplicate.
If I went to the UK, It would be intresting to see how hard it would be to create a new idenity and new British passport.

Aggy

November 13th, 2003, 07:04 AM

Regarding the UK drivers licence i found a little text a while ago explaining the process in creating a novelty id. Swim thought about giving it a go but comparing the prices of purchasing the equipment against simply buying one swim chose the latter..

Guide to the UK DL
by GiB_uk

I would not recommend doing anything in this article, and it is all for informational use only.
In this i will talk about the UK DL in detail, the features, and how these COULD be recreated. Will cover both the full and provisional.

Whats does it look like?

Both licence's are very alike with the main difference been the color. Full is Pink, and the provisional is Green. Both have color on the front and back. Front has the picture and info and the back has what can be driven and a barcode.
The Full can bee seen here, when loaded it will show front and back.
http://www.gib.5u.com/cgi-bin/i/Provukdl.gif
The provisional one is the same but green.
A few tips:
Temp must be started from scratch, no scanning.
This will take time.

Now we will look at the security features and features in detail.

The background on both cards is very detailed. This is mainly to stop people scanning and printing. This is why a temp must be made from scratch. The front has vertical lines, i belive there are about 80 per inch, these lines are pink or green and have white text over them, the text on the provisional has the word provisional 'waved' over it. The full on has different languages and word waved over it. The back design is very complex with DVLA printed in triangles with lots of horizontal thin lines. These can only be created from scratch, and require a laser printer to print well.

The font is not a normal font. It is very like Arial, but not exactly. The 'B's are bolder. The line on the 'A' is lower. The middle line of the E is shorter. and the zeros have a dot on them. This only applies to the capital letters. These are all on the front, the back is in small case. So a font must be created or edited from scratch, this can be done using a font editor.

Both the front and back of the card have a gold refective holo.
This can be recreated using gold inter and the alps method. Or it can be done using PhotoEZ but this is longer and the results are not as good. The holo is the word 'DVLA' printed over the card repeatedly, this covers the bottom half of the front and the top 3/4's of the back. The font appears to be Arial. The alps method is explained by lighthawk here:
This method produces 600 DPI holograms which are far superior to any hologram method known to date. These holograms will not wash off under water, nor can they be scratched off by a fingernail. They are, without a doubt-- truly amazing.
Pearl Ex Alps Hologram Method
Materials:
An ALPS MD-1000, MD-1300, or MD-5000 printer
1 Alps Finish Ribbon
1 Transparency
Pearl-Ex interference gold powder
A butterfly pouch
Summary :
Using your finger, dust the entire inside of your butterfly pouch with a coat of Pearl Ex interference gold powder
Flip the image in Photoshop (Edit > Transform > Flip Horizontal) and Print the image in black onto a transparency (inkjet or laser). This is now your print template. Tape the pouch, with the back flap pointing down, on to the transparency over the spot you printed. This ensures that the image will be printed accurately on to the pouch.
Delete the background layer of the hologram template, so there is a checkered background. Then in print options, set your paper to 'laser' then hit the 'use spot colors' button and set it to Finish [Glossy Finish].
Make sure you are printing on the inside of our butterfly pouch. Now print the hologram template.
Our pearl ex hologram is now bonded to the surface of the pouch and can not be removed by water or scratching. Either lightly run finger over pouch under water to get rid of excess powder or use scotch tape to lift up the rest of the powder from the pouch.
You should now be left with an incredible 600 DPI hologram.

Around the top left logos on the front of both cards is micro printing. It appears to be just a border at first. The provisonal one has the word 'provisional' printed around it and 'United Kingdom' is printed on the full one. These can only be printed on a laser printer.

Over the photo there are lines. These thin lines are curved and start outside the photo and curve accross it. These can be recreated on your temp and the layer put over the photo. Do not try to trace lines from a scan, you need to use a curved line tool and do from scratch.

The photo is in the bottom left corner and has a ghost image of it to the right of it. Both photos have what has been decribed as 'pesky photo lines'. These can be recreated in a few ways. If you have a very good laser printer you could possibly print these lines and put them on your temp.
The Jerm provides very good info on how to do this with an epson, here it is :
First, your template has to be set to 1800 dpi. I know that sounds excessive but it's the only way it'll work.
Next, create a layer of white vertical lines, one pixel wide and separated from each other by one pixel of blank space, that covers the entire photo area.
Make another layer exactly the same except with black lines instead of white and move it over one pixel to the left or right so that the black lines are interlaced with the white lines. The photo should now be completely covered.
Finally, change the Blend Mode (this option is directly to the left of Opacity) for both layers to Overlay and set the black lines layer's opacity to 50%.
When you print, choose Photo Paper as the media, 2880 dpi, and turn Smooth Edge off.

Between the the photo is what can be described as 'a seal type thing'. This is round and has light color on it, and dark lines within it. It over laps the photos. This can be done by doing your temp in layers, so that the seal is in front of the pics.

The front also has a Driver number. This a number given to the licence and can be checked. It is made up like this :
First 5 characters of surname. If the surname is less than 5 characters the figure 9 will be added to the gaps. (e.g. MAN99).
Next six numbers: First and last numbers are the year of birth. Second and third numbers are the month of birth. (Note: in the case of female licence holders `5' is added to the second digit, this means that the second digit will be 5 or 6). The fourth and fifth digits are the day of the month of your birth.
Next two numbers: The first two initials of your forenames. If you have only one initial then the second character will be a `9'.
The last 3 digits are computer check digits.

The Front and back also have UV designs, the back is a DVLA design, and front is a complex design. these can be seen here:
Front:http://www.mrxnovelties.f2s.com/ukdl%20frontuv.gif
Back: http://www.mrxnovelties.f2s.com/ukdl%20backuv.gif
You should experiment with clearneon ink for this.

The cards thickness is best recreated using one sheet of laser teslin and a .7mil pouch. The edges on the card are rounded off towards the front side of the card, almost like wraped around the edges to meet the flat front laminate. The best way to do this is with glass type sand paper.
List of Equipment.
You will need:
1 laser printer to print on teslin
1 alps printer (md1000, md1300 or md5000) to print holos on pouches
1 inkjet, to hack and print UV onto teslin
1 laminator, pref with heat adjustments.
Laser teslin (Teslin® SP 1000).
Credit card butterfly pouches 7 mil.
Pearlex gold interference.
UV ink

Do not do any of the above.
Thanks for any info i used off people.
Sorry if spelling is crap.
Feedback welcome.

GiB_uk ;)

Rhadon

November 13th, 2003, 05:25 PM

Your last two links don't work for me.

wrench352

January 14th, 2004, 04:47 AM

Does anyone know anything about the novelty ID template on the ftp. The name of the file is template AfRa. The quality is exceptional and I'd like to find who produced it. Also this template comes with a number generator does anybody know anything about these,algorythms involved etc.

Robot

February 4th, 2004, 03:09 PM

Efnet @ #fakeid
Fakeid.ru

bipolar

May 29th, 2004, 10:36 AM

Fake ID

OK this is how me and my friends make or used to make pretty good Fake ID from a template. this won't work if you use one of the newer licenses which probably every state has/is switching too. Try to get a hold of the older version of the ids from someone if you can, this may not work in some states but it did in mine and the old ones still can't be expired yet.
you just get an old id or get an extra one and soak it in rubbing alcohol for 20 minutes,
then bend back and forth a little to get the hologram to start coming off, then slowly peel it all the way off. then sand the face of the card off. take the completed template printed out on photopaper cut it out in a rectangle larger then the original card and then put gluestick all over the card on the sanded side and place the cut out template on the card and look into light with it so you can center it perfectly on card, then cut paper off the edges of the card, then take the hologram you took off earlier on the card perfectly centered and slowly iron over it with the Iron on lowest setting some people put cloth over it, you can't go over it too much or it with start to burn and stuff. and you have a brand new fake ID, thats assuming you know how to use photoshop to edit the premade template and put your photo on there.

New ID

This really looks like something looking into right now. nothing would be better than this. I just read the book "The Paper Trip III the master guide to new ID", I have had it for a while and never read it until now. I recommend buying the book , delta press sells it and eden press is the publisher they sell it too on their website. I'll describe a breif over view of what you do.

this is how to create a whole new person out of thin air, not stealing a dead persons or an alive person. There are other options but this one seems like the best. first you pick a state you want to be born in that has the easiest process with a Delayed Certificate of Birth. A delayed certificate of birth is for someone who's birth was just never recorded, and you managed with out ever having a birth certificate, like if your parents were a hippy and you were born in a commune or something. Then you make your new full name up your birthdate and the city and county and state you were born in. Then you write the state's Office of Vital Records and Health Statistics with the proper fee telling them all this fake information and asking them for a copy of your birth certificate and then if they don't find it then they will send you an application for a Delayed Certificate of Birth where you write all this information and you just put unknown for parents and you have to send in at least 1, 2( in some states) form of ID, such as a baptismal certificate, school record or certificate, medical records. This is great cause you can buy blank baptismal certificates at church supply stores over the internet, just search for it. Then you send all this in, and you will get your delayed certificate of birth. Then once you have that you get your social security number, which if your new ID is 18 or older you now have to go in person to the SSA and they interveiw you, This is really just for trying to psych you out of trying it, I read that its just a simple 5 minute interview asking you everything you wrote on the form and stuff and you have to come up with a story about why you need one or why you don't already have one, like your parents were strongly anti-government and didn't want you to have one and you haven't really needed it until now so you never got it. Then its all downhill from there and you go to the DMV and get your drivers license and you get a mail drop from the UPS store or a Mail Forwarding service and use it on your drivers license because you can do that and you can get it on your motor vehicle registration also, you might have to make up a story for this like your a private investigator and you live in your RV and you don't live in any particular state but you will be in this state for a couple years and thats the only way you can recieve mail. anyway you probably want to use a mail drop through this entire process. but I really recomend buying this book or someone else scanning it, because Its pretty thick and its not an out of print book or anything. But if you do this I recomend you start working on it as soon as possible and always have it prepared incase you do need to escape or something and before fed law gets to crazy and the matrix system merges all state drivers license photos and puts them in the face scanning database or something

nbk2000

June 1st, 2004, 12:29 PM

Someone forgot that keyboards now come with option RETURN keys, which are used for making paragraphs where once were one giant run-on sentence. ;)

wrench352

June 1st, 2004, 07:24 PM

For those truly interested in high quality novelty IDs:
http://www.phonyid.com/home.html
I'm told the magentic strip even reads correctly.

kld1648temp

June 1st, 2004, 09:52 PM

I never post, but I'll make an exception; phonyid.com is a scam. Search Google: Groups for yourselves. I was very interested in a not-so-legit ID from them a few years back, but after looking into it more and more, found out that they were bogus. Anyway, be wary, quality like that usually can't be bought online.

wrench352

June 2nd, 2004, 03:13 AM

Whoops my bad,indeed it seems those guys have a bad rep. The site I meant to link to was here.
http://www.fakeidguru.com/
Sorry bout that y'all. And no I havent done business with em yet,but I should have something to post about soon.Anybody have anything bad to say about these guys?And no Im not pullin names out of a hat,I just got sloppy.Thanks kld.

bipolar

June 2nd, 2004, 07:46 PM

Someone forgot that keyboards now come with option RETURN keys, which are used for making paragraphs where once were one giant run-on sentence. ;)

Sorry about the big run on sentence guys. Next time I will try to do it right. I am just really lazy about it sometimes. But I do think that the New ID is something to look into, especially before the fedgov starts cracking down harder. Maybe I can scan in some of the "gold" from the book, as a lot of it is "fluff".

nbk2000

June 3rd, 2004, 05:18 PM

You can't buy a fake ID on the 'net that's a replica of a state or government issued ID.

Either the site would be busted within days, and their buyers rounded up, or it's a sting operation by the feds. Either way you'd be asking for an ass-raping.

The only way to get a fake ID is to either make it yourself, co-op someone who works at a government office that issues them, or identity theft (with all its attendant risks).

Best way, if you have the need, is to make it yourself. Not only is this an interesting hobby ;), but also teaches you to fish, rather than having the fish given to you. And, since you make them yourself, no one else knows what identity you're using, and you can make them as needed, and develop skills that can be used in other fields.

richierichtx

May 22nd, 2006, 02:57 PM

i tried to connect to the ftp site , but i couldn't connect, let me make sure i got this right...

host: *
port: 21
username: *
password: *

richierichtx

May 22nd, 2006, 03:10 PM

i tried to connect to the ftp site but i couldn't, let me make sure i got this all right...
host/address : *
port : 21
username: *
password: *

+++++

Fucking idiot! Posting log-in details in a public forum! That's what PM and e-mail is for.

BANNED!

NoltaiR

May 22nd, 2006, 10:07 PM

While I have no use for a fake ID now because of my age.. at the time this was posted I wish I would have seen this thread!

Well I just wanted to add that about 3 years ago I purchased a fake ID off of eBay. They have long since banned the selling of them on there but for about 3 months, there was 3 or 4 different guys that were selling IDs for different states. I live in Texas but in a college town where there are almost as many out-of-staters as natives.

So I bought an ID from Florida.. sent in a picture and my fake info.. and in the good spirit of eBay, I recieved the ID about 2 weeks later. The main problem was that the guy didn't have a hologram on it because of some security reason. Luckily there were just as many people on eBay selling hologram stickers.. none were the correct ones for the states, but when you are carrying an ID from a state that far away, no one has the right sticker memorized.

A few months later I lost the ID and when I tried to contact the seller to buy a new one, he informed me that he wasn't allowed to sell them anymore and that eBay would cancel his account if attempted to.

So my point is, in all of this, if you are making a fake/novelty ID.. consider using one from another state that people won't be able to recognize very well.. so things like font and item placement can have a little margin of error in them.

ShadowMyGeekSpace

May 22nd, 2006, 11:31 PM

Thought this would be worth adding: http://www.highprogrammer.com/cgi-bin/uniqueid

nbk2000

May 23rd, 2006, 04:54 AM

Having worked retail sales, I can tell you that, if the store sells alcohol, and the clerk gives a shit (or just wants to bust your chops), then it's very easy for him to do so.

There's a thing called an ID verification book, that has photos of every state ID for the last decade, along with the details of what to look for. They're free from various liquor and beer manufacturers, and state alcohol agencies.

I never caught anyone trying to use a fake, which either means they had excellent fakes ,or knew I'd bust 'em and didn't even try. :)

You can likely depend on the laziness of the person you're showing the fake ID to, but be aware that it's easy to get busted if they know what they're doing and are inclined to do it.

Jacks Complete

May 24th, 2006, 09:10 PM

If "rolling your own" read http://www.roguesci.org/theforum/tools-techniques-plans/5278-hidden-data-colour-laser-prints.html before you do!

Also, check any IDs you have bought, just in case.

JakeGallows

May 28th, 2006, 11:35 PM

I think that the idea of utilizing the hologram from an old id to create a new one is a good one. I tried this years ago, and had some level of success, I was able to separate the hologram "sticker" from the PVC card.

Obviously after you get the hologram is a PVC card that has an id printed on it (printers capable of this easily bought from eBay or online stores) and a way to attach the hologram to the id.

Fake ID

Try to get a hold of the older version of the ids from someone if you can, this may not work in some states but it did in mine and the old ones still can't be expired yet.

you just get an old id or get an extra one and soak it in rubbing alcohol for 20 minutes, then bend back and forth a little to get the hologram to start coming off, then slowly peel it all the way off.

The problem now is that I tried getting the hologram off another id I have (for the second time) but was unable to get even a little corner off. I tried soaking it in rubbing alcohol but with no success. Has anyone else tried this with success? Tried other substances? I wonder if a little heat might help?

Having a limited supply of id cards with holograms I'd prefer to hear others experiences before continuing to destroy my own.

nbk2000

May 29th, 2006, 02:25 PM

id (ĭd), noun.

In Freudian theory, the division of the psyche that is totally unconscious and serves as the source of instinctual impulses and demands for immediate satisfaction of primitive needs.

Somehow I don't think this is what you are referring to in the above post, are you?

Perhaps ID is what you meant?

Not only is spelling and grammer important here, but capitalization of acronyms when needed.

I'm not being harsh. I just reminding you (and others) that all aspects of our language must be respected to prevent confusion that can lead to unintended consequences.

I'm sure Noltair will be happy with the riddle I just produced to illustrate this point.

Which is which?

id
id
id
id

One is used to refer to yourself, another to ego, another to identification, and the final one to the makers of electronic games.

The only thing that allows them to be differentiated is capitalization and punctuation marks.

Don't worry! This isn't a prelude to banning. Just an illustration of the importance of strict adherance to proper language skills to avoid confusion.

TreverSlyFox

June 27th, 2006, 08:32 AM

abaker86,

What the hell are you, nuts? Your a Newbie with 3 posts and you ask in a PUBLIC forum post if several members will make and sell you Illegal Identification. That alone should get you eaten by the Beast!

But you have to go even one step further and quote their entire posts to ask a one line question that should have been PM'ed at the least. Don't know what a PM is? Then your too stupid to even be here.

NBK,

For lunch we have a quite enjoyable little dish being served in the main dinning room. I'm sure it will be to your standards for youth, tenderness and blood. May I suggest it be eaten raw with just a touch of garlic salt.

selo

July 7th, 2006, 10:09 AM

There is laser printer teslin, which you don't want unless you have a color laser printer, and inkjet printer teslin, which has one side of the teslin coated to work with inkjet printers.
......
Since inkjet teslin only has one side coated, printing on the back is more difficult. Colors won't come out right

You can solve the problem of one-side coated Inkjet Teslin by using Laser Teslin with some other inkjet printers.

Epson Inkjet Stylus C83, C85, C87, 2000, 2200, R200, R800 and R1800 can print on Laser Teslin 'paper'... ( I guarantee R800 & R1800 with perfect printing & better than laser printers).

For best resolution choose 'Premium Glossy Paper' media from the settings of the printer.

Advice: Good Counterfeiters must own Epson Photo Stylus R800.. It's perfect (5760 dpi , 1.5 pL , $550).

How thick is a credit card in mils? thanks for any input

30 mils

If you get some teslin and the 10mil butterfly pouch, they are the same as a pvc card?

I use Teslin with thickness = 300 micron (about 11 mils) and 250 micron (10mil) butterfly pouch => perfect thickness [can't differentiate it from the real].

do the edges appear white?

Edges don't appear white with me.. maybe 'cause I am counterfeiting light-color cards.. if white edges appear , you can just paint them with wooden color pencils (I don't know what you call them in your country).. It works pretty well since the Teslin is thin.. There's - also - Teslin with thickness = 180 micron (7mil) , you can use it if you want !.

can photopaper and a pvc card be put into a butterfly pouch?

I tried laminating photopaper with butterfly pouch, and it goes pretty well.. I don't know for the PVC.

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http://counterfeitlibrary.com/cl/forums/default.asp
http://www.the-hive.ws/

The links aren't working.

Because you need to Use The Fucking Search Engine [Google, perhaps?] and find out why yourself.

Also, sentences end with a single

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NOT

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Oh, and 'self-signing' your posts with your username at the end is strictly prohibited. Don't do it again, please.

You've not been banned outright because you seem to have contributed something, though whether you'll last here depends on you.

meestaeimaj

July 9th, 2006, 08:54 AM

selo

July 17th, 2006, 05:38 AM

Does anyone know how to actually copy the UV marks on ID cards ? I know that UV ink can be purchased so it's fairly straightforward to print, but how would one obtain a scan or an image of the UV mark in order to trace it in photoshop ?
Thanks in advance

The best way I use is by taking a photo using a digital camera.
1- Put the mark under UV light.
2- Take a perpendicular photo for the mark.
3- Redraw it using photoshop.
4- Resize it to the actual size of the mark.

bipolar

July 17th, 2006, 06:20 AM

In regards to someone asking about where to find templates. There are no good templates to be found that I know of anymore. There are always poorly made outdated ones on P2P networks.

The only high quality templates I've seen in the past were considered proprietary and sold for a few hundred bucks. Now I don't know of any public or private forum or site that exists about the serious art of Fake Identification.

Does anyone happen to know about such a site?

Your best bet is to obtain an actual ID from the desired state, scan, and photoshop.

With a few photoshop tutorials down, its not that hard to do 50% of the states right now. Some of the newer ones seem impossible.

You can also obtain full quality copies of front's of the ID's by getting a Driver's License Guide. They also include details of hologram, type of barcode, type of card, and other security features.

I have heard the US Indentification Manual actually contains real samples of every US Drivers License. Though it is very expensive.

Here is the link to the company that sells those two products. http://www.driverslicenseguide.com/

You might have to pose as a company, bar, or store to get a copy of it. Use a "custom" letterhead or something. If someone gets a copy please scan and upload.

Another thing to think about is just designing generic templates from out of state across the country. No official seals or anything. You can use generic holograms. Maybe even just a fake College ID, or Corporate ID.

All these types of ID's can be used for good social engineering. If you dress and act the part no one will question you.

JakeGallows

July 18th, 2006, 07:18 PM

I agree with Bipolar. I think that the correct way to get a fake ID card is to social engineer it. Consider the last time you went into the DMV - it's a government agency, they employ the lowest rung of society. They barely do their job and usually have to deal with people who are angry and irritated after standing in line for hours. If you are friendly and you make it easy for them, they generally won't hassle you.

Now the flip side is that you need to make it easy for them which can be difficult for you. You need to have what they will ask for - and you should look into what they'll ask for because each state is different. I recently discovered that California wants a thumbprint and will verify your SSN as you stand there. Usually they require a primary ID/Proof of Name and DOB (passport, driver's license, certified birth certificate), one or more secondaries/Proof of Identity (student ID card, work ID, etc.) and something showing you live in the state (energy bill, cable bill, etc.)

The student ID card is relatively easy, particularly if you are already working on a state ID, since most have no security features. Getting or faking a cable bill should be a snap. So the difficult portion is securing a "state-issued" proof of identity. I think that's where making a realistic looking ID comes in. Doesn't have to be perfect - just enough that between your charm and their glance at it, nothing seems amiss.

Consider the following as an experiment: look up what you need in your state, acquire the legitimate versions of it (your Driver's License, your work ID, and your cable bill, etc.) and go into the DMV and ask for a State-issued ID card. Tell them that you almost lost your wallet and you wanted to get one to keep around the house for a backup. There's a dozen legitimate reasons to get one. Watch what they do, and consider what problems you might run into. I suspect that most people will find that by being courteous and friendly they will simply use your ID to input your information, briefly verify that the IDs match the cable bill and you'll be on your way with a state-issued ID.

nbk2000

July 19th, 2006, 06:26 AM

You can also 'chip' a new ID.

That's where you alter only one letter of your last name, then social engineer a new ID based on the 'typo'.

For instance, your last names is Darnes, and get an ID in that name.

So you change your birth certificate by one letter (much easier than the whole thing), go back the next day and show them the 'typo' they made, and your last name is actually Farnes.

Take that to another state, and now it becomes Farmes.

In two steps, you've completely changed your real name, and it's all legal shit, and you can always deny it as a typo.

Reason it'd work is because it's very plausible. Look at your keyboard. Notice how D is next to F, and M to N? How often does it happen some clerk mistypes letters that are right next to each other? ;)

Oh, and use a gummy finger for the thumbprint.

selo

July 20th, 2006, 03:38 PM

I think that the correct way to get a fake ID card is to social engineer it.

Not necessary. Counterfeiting a fake ID to look like real one isn't hard.

Yes, if you aren't a "Most Wanted" or you need an ID every two years, then social engineer it.

But if the police and/or the intelligence are searching for you or your dead body , or you change your identity frequently then you need a counterfeited ID.

Buying a fake ID isn't a good choice. You have to do it by yourself.

To be a counterfeiter you need two things : patience and about $3000.

$3000 to buy a computer, suitable printer, high resolution scanner, paper, inks, UV lamp, serigaphic tools, and some other tools and stuff.

I solved most of the security features found in the national ID in my country.

They are:
1- micro-printing : solve it with Epson Stylus Photo R800.
2- UV marks: UV inks + serigraphy.
3- color shifting mark: pearl powder (used in paint) + serigraphic solvents + serigraphy. [If you can get color shifting inks then you're lucky]
4- Gold and Silver marks: powder used by painters + serigraphy.
5- PDF417 barcode: not solved. It is encrypted using 54-bit DES. I hope I can solve it soon. Any suggestion is welcomed. I made it unreadable so If the cops tried to check it then It not come to be different data.
6- rough pouch: solve it by dashing the normal smooth pouch with some kind of vernish used for wood (it is called in our language 'Lakar').

It's needless to say that 'paper' used is 10mil-Teslin.

So, to be counterfeiter, you just need to be good in photoshop and in screen-printing. Many tutorials are found on internet, you have to learn and practice, then you own a wealthy job.

My clients traveled to other countries using fake IDs and passports. If you worked much on yourself you can make fake IDs that you can't differentiate it from real ones.

Live free, and offer others freedom and gain some nice cash :) .

Dank$taVegas

July 22nd, 2006, 05:13 PM

Does anybody have any info about fake ID's and how to make them? I'm looking for stuff like, printers, software packages, paper, ink, resolutions and the sort. any info is appreciated.

Looks like you live in Canada as well, I have been interested in the idea of making fake identification card as well for a while. Most of the books that are published on the topic are either out of date when they a published or are not applicable to your current country. Although they do give you some insight into techniques used in making different parts of a card. Our new style of licenses (1 piece plastic) in Canada seems to be almost impossible to fake, with all the security features imbedded into the actual license (Holograms, Bar scanner, and the special printing of your name & DOB above your actual picture not to mention the government data base which contains all the actual information on computers).

If your planning on using a Canadian fake identification card made in your home for anything other than buying booze, smokes, getting into bars, they will not work, since all the Canadian license come from Ottawa. When you go in to a Registry to obtain a new Identification card, you need to provide 1 piece of picture identification (Passport, Drivers license etc), along with that you will need 1 piece of second identification (same as above or social insurance number, Birth certificate, etc) then you will also need some kind of bill showing your current address (this is easily faked). Once you have filled out all the proper paper work, they take your picture, and give you a temporary piece of paper while they send your information to Ottawa, where they make and mail the card to the address you have provided.

So if you identification card didn't come form Ottawa then your card will only be good for limited things (booze, smokes & some bars) and will not be vary useful if you have bigger ideas you want to use the card for (Guns, license plates etc), which it will not work for, since it hasn't been put through the data base and when you try to use it for one of the above it will with out a doubt come back as a fake when they run it through the system, and you will be caught red handed. Even now some bars in Alberta/B.C are incorporating a new computer data base system which they scan everyone's identification card on, this will confirm that the identification card is not a fake or stolen & also logs you in as being present at the bar the night in question. Due to the recent number of stabbings and shooting at night clubs in the area.

Now here is in my eyes the only two plausible ways to obtain a legitimate fake identification card.
1) Identity Theft of a set of identification documents that resemble you, and fabricating a fake gas bill to change your current address to have the new documents sent to. This method has its, down side as well. Depending on where the cards came from they may have been reported stolen.

In the past I have been able to obtaining a fake or look a like, by means of my old job (which I will not go into details about) but I use to acquire a lot of things, in exchange for goods. One thing I was more than willing to trade people for was wallets with identification card, Social insurance cards, Birth certificates & Passports. I have managed to acquire 2 sets of look alike cards that resembled me to a good degree. One of which I took the chance and renewed about 1year ago and it worked. I had the address changed to one of my customers with the use of a fake ATCO gas bill, the customer then delivered the identification cards when they arrived in exchange for more goods (a small price to pay). It was a win, win situation for me.

2) NBK2000's 'chip' idea

With these two methods you are getting an actual piece of identification that came from the government. So it will have been entered into the computer data base rendering the identification card authentic. This card can then be used to obtain other identification documents and also be used to run a secret identity. You will be able to get plates for a car, get required gun licenses and all the good stuff most people would like to use the identification card for.

I never thought of the 'chip' idea but that is brilliant, take a stolen birth certificate and touch it up changing a few letters, make a second piece of identification (Fairly simple) to go with you new birth certificate and a forged gas bill and you have a new person to play around with.

The Alberta birth certificate cards are very basic and would be a snap to alter and re-laminate! Although the only problem I might see with this is that, every birth certificate has a registration number, so if you were to change that number I'm assuming it would come back as a fake when they entered it into their data base.

It sure would be nice to know someone who worked at a "Registry" so I could pick their brains about how the system works.

I'm not sure how other Countries work, and this information about Canada is only limited to a few personal experiences & common scène.

nbk2000

July 23rd, 2006, 05:58 AM

No, no!

Not several letters, ONE letter.

It needs to sound similiar to your real name, and ideally be adjacent to each other on the keyboard. This is the requirement for the plausibility needed for it to work.

You alter it one letter at a time, not several at once. RTPB "Don't get greedy".

selo

July 23rd, 2006, 10:15 AM

All security features are solvable.

- Holograms can be solved. There are holographic sheets used for book's cover illustration, you can experiment them. You can make holograms by the known optical experiment on holographic films found in market ('How To' on internet).

- The barcode used is encrypted usind DES standard. It is not hard to crack it. Using bruteforce attack on a normal pc needs about 6 months to find the encryption key. Since it is a symmetric key encryption, you do this process once and then you can encrypt as many barcodes as you need. You can reduce the time consumed in the attack by using parallel computers or by applying other attacks like Davie's attack (search the NET).

You must believe that no security feature is impossible to made. I once saw a counterfeited money that solved all the security features of the US Dollar. Some security features are easy to be solved, but the problem is with us who believe the propaganda of our goverments.

nbk2000

July 23rd, 2006, 11:48 AM

There's also the issue of time and money invested compared to the gain to be expected.

Investing in all this equipment isn't worth it unless you're going into the business of selling it.

OR

You'll be needing a lot of them and don't want to expose your identities to possible compromise by having bought them from someone else.

The most valuable ID to fake would be a passport, as that not only establishes your identity, but also gets you out of the country. Can't do that with just a drivers license. :p

Dank$taVegas

July 24th, 2006, 06:48 PM

All security features are solvable.
Well most can be solvable at a cost but how much are you willing to pay. If in the long run the license in question is only good for a few certain things.

The biggest security feature has to be the "Computer Data Base System" as I have said. With out a Identification Card that has been entered into this system, you ID card is useless for the majority of things, hence are you willing to invest all that time and money into creating a fake Beer license? Would this justify the cost and time involved in making this type of limited ID?

I don't see that it would.

This is just common sense since, most things that require an ID card (Obtaining firearms, getting other ID documentation, Registration, bank accounts) are all entered into a system that will check you ID card. So if this card is not in the System it is a fake and will be flagged on the spot!

So this is what people need to be learning how to fake or somehow, get the ID entered into.

The most valuable ID to fake would be a passport, as that not only establishes your identity, but also gets you out of the country. Can't do that with just a drivers license.
I haven't traveled with my passport since 9/11 but I'm assuming that these would be the hardest & most expensive to fake as well.

greenboat958

August 3rd, 2006, 05:23 PM

Been waiting several days for my membership access. Finally got it, so here goes...

BiPolar (or anyone else):
Do you by any chance have some more information on where someone could find the "easiest process" to obtain a Delayed Record of Birth? All that I have been able to come up with are links such as...

http://www.idph.state.il.us/vitalrecords/birth_faq.htm#16
http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/bin/getpub.php?pubtype=STAT_CHAP&year=2005&section=144
(about 1/3 the way down, do a search for "Delayed")

I have read that the western states (excluding California & Colorado) are the best places to get one, however it seems that there is a large amount of information to sift through, much less hard to find. A few questions would be ...

What specific criteria should we look for when selecting a state (other than the obvious)? Where all this information can be found (if there is a central location at all. Even just phone numbers to call & some ideas on SE skills to be used.)?
If anyone has already done the research, what state(s) are you using now?.

~~~
They are:
1- micro-printing : solve it with Epson Stylus Photo R800.
~~~

This was in regards to some of the best printers to use for counterfeiting. Also, since I have seen several mentions to this printer while reading, I figured I would share. I found that the R800 are selling for under 200 dollars refurbished, not including shipping.

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?sourceid=mozclient&oe=utf-8&q=Epson+R800&lmode=online&scoring=p&sa=N&start=600

Don't know if anyone would be interested in a refurb., but it may be better than paying close to 500 dollars.

Jacks Complete

August 6th, 2006, 09:21 PM

Even now some bars in Alberta/B.C are incorporating a new computer data base system which they scan everyone's identification card on, this will confirm that the identification card is not a fake or stolen & also logs you in as being present at the bar the night in question. Due to the recent number of stabbings and shooting at night clubs in the area.An easy way around this is to use an out-of-country ID. Showing a UK driving license would get you in, but not entered into the system. Plus, you could print one easily on some green paper, and no-one over there would know that you are supposed to have a photo part now, too. Even if they did, just say that only the new ones or re-issued ones are photo, if you don't break any laws you keep your old one, as this is the truth, and they will assume it proves you are no law breaker, too. ;-)

Whoever said about the dollar bills, the North Koreans are making many, many Super-K's, which are so good that they fool banks. There are some new scanners being developed that can spot them, but they take 6 seconds per bill!

Dank$taVegas

August 7th, 2006, 12:48 AM

An easy way around this is to use an out-of-country ID. Showing a UK driving license would get you in, but not entered into the system. Plus, you could print one easily on some green paper, and no-one over there would know that you are supposed to have a photo part now

Well Night Clubs here require some form of Picture Identification, they will not let you in with out one. I lost my Drivers License, and tried to get into a bar with the piece of paper they give you as a temporary license until your card arrives in the mail which has no picture, and they would not accept it, I had to go home and get my passport in order to get in. Although if they think your from out of the Country they might bend the rules and let you in, but still if you have traveled here from out of the Country, you must have a passport which contains a Picture so they will more than likely ask you to get it and return.

This might work, in small pubs & restaurants that sell liquor where they don't get as much business/customers, and don't have frequent visits from the police checking for minors, but they are still required to see Picture Identification. They do tend to be a little more slack/lenient when it comes to Identification so you might be able to get away with it at one of these type of places.

azorbix

August 11th, 2006, 02:42 PM

Go and get the pic of the standard license for your state ( Anonym zur URL (http://anonym.to/?http://www.symetrix.net/gallery/BarBook) )

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The rest of your post would have been cause for banning if not for the saving grace of having contributed something useful.

Any further failures to use proper english grammar will result in your being banned.

NBK

azorbix

August 13th, 2006, 06:42 PM

I should stab you in the face with a soldering iron. For changing my god-like words!

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6642/burnoy5.jpg

Who the fuck are you editing my post.....And thinking your offered words are better than mine. You have no made a credible fake id.....no I think not.

Fuck you. Die. Bastard. You think you're so cool, hm? Asshole. And if I ever see your fucking face around,
In Europe or Italy, Well I'll -- That time I'm gonna kick your ass.
Fuck you. Fucking Americans, Yankee. You're gonna die outta cancer, I promise.

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This is so funny I had to let it through. :D

NBK

festergrump

August 14th, 2006, 08:17 AM

It is funny... :) Thanks for that, NBK. What's less funny, though, is the entire quote below is word for word spoken lyric from a song on Tool's album entitled Ænima... forgot the name of the track, though. Great album, good taste in music, poor choice in who to fuck with...

If it wasn't a quote it'd be funnier still. Audacity AND imagination, now that'd be fucking hilarious! :p

Fuck you. Die. Bastard. You think you're so cool, hm? Asshole. And if I ever see your fucking face around,
In Europe or Italy, Well I'll -- That time I'm gonna kick your ass.
Fuck you. Fucking Americans, Yankee. You're gonna die outta cancer, I promise.

Dank$taVegas

August 14th, 2006, 11:58 AM

While he dose have some internet balls (which means nothing) he's not very smart.

Go and get the pic of the standard license for your state ( [Link only for Registered Members] )

Would someone who is able to see this link PM it to me, or NBK would you be able to repost the link if it's not too much trouble.:D

**Edit**
Thank you Random136 for PM'ing me the link. I'll try to post it again here, if it dosen't show up, and others who would like to view this page "Bar Book" feel free to PM me & I'll forward the link your way.
http://www.symetrix.net/gallery/BarBook

nbk2000

August 14th, 2006, 03:17 PM

The Tool song is Message to Harry Manback.

If it had been more coherent, I might have suspected copy-pasta, but it was incoherent enough to be the rantings of a k3wL, so I dismissed it outta hand. :o

Be sure to grab all of the highest-res pictures from there and up them to rapidshare before the pissy punk either:

A)deletes them

OR

B)Rats 'em out

Whats ironic is that the idiot wasn't banned for an otherwise bannable lack of grammar, because he contributed something I was planning on doing myself, thus saving me a lot of time, but because he couldn't accept a mild correction with dignity, instead lashing out like a petulant child. :p

Dank$taVegas

August 14th, 2006, 03:44 PM

Be sure to grab all of the highest-res pictures from there and up them to rapidshare before the pissy punk either

I have already grabbed all the pictures. The one who sent me the link is in the process of PDF'ing all the pictures into a PDF, he says he will upload it to rapid share when he is finished.

If he dosen't produce it in a day or so I'll PDF the pics I have and upload it to Rapid Share. ;)

Whats ironic is that the idiot wasn't banned for an otherwise bannable lack of grammar
Fools like that just don't know what they are missing here. It is truly a shame, for they will never have another chance to enjoy the wonderful forums we have here. :rolleyes:

random136

August 14th, 2006, 09:59 PM

Greetings all,

Let me begin by saying that I have the utmost respect for this community and the effort all of the active members have put into making this a haven for all who wish to participate in the free exchange of knowledge, unhindered by censorship and un-intimidated by an ever growing list of irrational laws and regulations. Having said this, I feel that I have taken much from this community and that it is my duty to begin returning the favor whenever I am in a position to do so.

Introductions aside, I would like to offer to the community the pdf format of the 2002 version of the ID Checking Guide- United States and Canada Version, mistakenly referred to by our confused friend as the “Bar Book”. Sorry about the size, but I tried to keep as much of the detail as possible form the original pictures. The link can be found bellow:

http://rapidshare.de/files/29430125/ID_Checking_Guide_2002-_United_States_and_Canada_Version-_by_RANDOM136_.pdf.html

A few words about this work: In my opinion, this book is an invaluable reference resource, in that it highlights many of the security features present on various identification cards as well as license plates. However, due to the sheer lack of quality present in the images (along with the intentional distortion of some images) it is doubtful that this book can be used as the only resource in the creation of false identification documents. It should, therefore, be used by the forger in question in conjunction with real samples of the identification being falsified in order to achieve the best results.

Additionally, the book is slightly expired, being about 3 years older then it’s suggested “best before” date. However, one must keep in mind that most identification cards require renewal at much longer intervals then three years, and having an older document is completely plausible.

I have already grabbed all the pictures. The one who sent me the link is in the process of PDF'ing all the pictures into a PDF, he says he will upload it to rapid share when he is finished.

I have chosen to post this download in this thread instead of your suggested thread so as to preserve the continuity of the dialogue for short term archiving purposes. If you could be so kind as to edit one of your last list posts on the Rapidshare Links thread and “piggyback” this download on it would be great, as I am sure we can all do with one less single download post.

Whats ironic is that the idiot wasn't banned for an otherwise bannable lack of grammar, because he contributed something I was planning on doing myself, thus saving me a lot of time, but because he couldn't accept a mild correction with dignity, instead lashing out like a petulant child. :p

While it is irrelevant at this point, it is also amusing to note that by following the link the jackass provided us with we were directed to a subfolder of his private photo gallery. With the exception of his “Bar Book” gallery, virtually all his other galleries contained a plethora of pictures of himself, his home, his car and all the places he had visited in the recent past. Not only does this qualify as the banable offence of showing your face on camera, but it also proves to show exactly how stupid he actually was. :rolleyes:

c.Tech

August 15th, 2006, 03:23 AM

Fools like that just don't know what they are missing here. It is truly a shame, for they will never have another chance to enjoy the wonderful forums we have here. :rolleyes:
Well they could but its unlikely that unintelligent people such as themselves would think of this.

It is the cause of a loophole in IP banning. Through command prompt they could change their IP address and make another user, some providers automatically change it when the internet is turned off then on again.

nbk2000

August 15th, 2006, 07:27 AM

We rarely IP ban because the list of banned IP's grew to be so big (thanks to the never-ending low-tide scum of k3wLs) that good members were being blocked from accessing the site.

So we now reserve the IP ban for the TRULY moronic. :)

I would assume the picture gallery to be owned by the fellow who posted the original link to it, but it could be that the person whos gallery it is doesn't know that it had been linked to here.

But either way, the idiot was banned, and will continue to be banned (no matter what name he uses) because he'll always be k3wL. :)

Dank$taVegas

August 15th, 2006, 01:30 PM

Additionally, the book is slightly expired, being about 3 years older then it’s suggested “best before” date

Most of the Canadian identification cards I am familiar with have changed in 2003. But If you got your license in 2002 or renewed it, you will still have the current license in the book. Example: Alberta & B.C licenses are good for 5 years, so if you got your license in 2002 or renewed it, you license is still good until 2007 of your birthday so you will have the one provided in the book.

I can't speak for the U.S or other identification cards provided in the book, since I have no knowledge about them, and if some are still current or not. But all the information is provided in the book.

All the license plates for Canada are still the same as well, they haven't changes in many years, with the exception of a few places.

On another note, this is the exact book that bars, liquor stores & Restaurants (who serve liquor) have and use. When I get back from my tour in the bush (work), I will work on scanning a current version of this book, thanks to my girl who saw me reading the book and offered to borrow a current version of this book for me for a few days from work.

random136

August 15th, 2006, 04:55 PM

Most of the Canadian identification cards I am familiar with have changed in 2003. But If you got your license in 2002 or renewed it, you will still have the current license in the book.

While I cannot speak for other Canadian provinces or states I can confidently say that the Ontario driver's licenses used today are identical to the ones in the book. Before we had this single card format available Ontario driver's licenses used to be a two card deal, where one card contained the photo ID and the other card contained information. Obviously, with the increased use of personal computers in the 90s these cards became easier to fake and had to be replaced.

The current cards have a fairly simple template that can be easily duplicated; however, they do have some serious security features that not just anyone is able to clone. The major security features visible on the card are: the hologram of a simple illustration of the provincial flower, the barcode, the magnetic strip, and the use of a simple but effective code issued with each card (explained in the book). Considering all these security features along with the fact that the card is plastic (as opposed to laminated paper) and the large cost involved in changing, I doubt that this format will change anytime soon.

The fact that these cards have a magnetic strip have led to another complication for those intending to use this card as fake identification. Ontario has legislation limiting the sale of booze to several chains of retail stores (which monopolize on the retail end of the provincial alcohol industry) the largest is the LCBO (or Liquor Control Board of Ontario) which is a "crown corporation". These stores, along with many bars, pubs and clubs are now equipped with a new piece of hardware next to their cash registers which allow for the cashier to determine the validity of one's identification with one simple swipe.

Despite this, the fake identification business is still booming in most large cities with driver's licenses raking up between $60 and $100. The majority of the demand for these cards is by under aged teenagers wishing to meet the age requirements of certain locales (19 in Ontario, 18 in neighboring Quebec).
Still, many choose to "scratch" their own cards. This process is mostly used for age alterations in order to meet.

The simple process is to first report one's card as lost and receive a replacement (no questions asked) the person in question first receives a paper temporary license and then a brand new shiny card in the mail. At this point the person has two identical cards issued by the government. One uses the real card for legitimate work where the card will be checked, such as when one gets pulled over.

The “lost” card is modified by “scratching” which literally involves using a sharp blade or abrasive material to completely remove the last digit of one’s birth year on the card. Then, one makes a digital version of what that area would look like with a different number (using something like Adobe’s cloning tool in Adobe Photoshop).

This area is printed out, carefully cut to out to resemble the printed area, and glued in place. Then a extra thick piece of transparent tape is used to “laminate” the front of the card and produce a smooth feel and appearance. The piece of paper used needs to be very thin and most regular printer papers can do the job. As primitive as this idea sounds, I have seen it work for others on many occasions. The same thing can be done with Ontario Health Cards (not pictured in the book) which have an identical general template.

Ironically, one of the easiest pieces of identification to forge still remains the one that carries the stiffest penalties for doing so. Canadian citizenship cards (also not pictured in the book) are in circulation in two different formats at the moment. Both of which have similar security features, the newer version obviously being the easier one to forge.

These cards consist of a piece of paper the size of the average card with a template printed on, along with the personal information, by a machine of similar quality to an average laser printer. Atop this paper, in a specific area, a picture is collated on (on newer cards this picture is printed directly on the paper). This picture can be obtained in the same fashion as passport photos from a local photographer.

The entire card is laminated in a simple plastic pouch (the newer cards have the name of the card holder and their unique number engraved in the lamination as well (think visa card numbers, but transparent)).

Because, with the use of a laser printer, good scanner, and good imaging software this card serves as no challenge to duplicate, one can use it for more then just booze, in other words one can create a brand new identity for one’s self (or at the very least use it to rent out mailboxes, etc.). These cards can be sold for $40 to $60 dollars to those same under aged teenagers.

To put into perspective, the maximum penalty for forgery in Canada IIRC is 10 years in jail.

anonymous411

August 22nd, 2006, 10:24 PM

Why go to the trouble to to manufacture a fake ID when you could simply fake the documents and addresses needed to procure a real one? Solid gold.

How hard can it be to cook up a convincing birth certificate, social security card, utility bill, mail drop, etc. compared with trying to make an actual driver's license, anyway. I've never done it myself, but I suppose it might be a good first step to weigh the penalty for lying on an application vs. penalties for posessing fake state ID. The fact that the latter is just so much cheezier makes a great case for the former...LOL

Forging company IDs, howver, used to be a cinch with great ripped program floating around the net called "ID Maker Pro". If you had the PVC blanks, they were flawless.

c.Tech

August 23rd, 2006, 09:06 AM

Why go to the trouble to to manufacture a fake ID when you could simply fake the documents and addresses needed to procure a real one? Solid gold.

Because the risks are so much greater.

You could go through with the trouble of forging the other documents, and risk presenting them to a possible future witness to make a fake ID which would most likely keep your photograph on records, or find out that the person you are trying to make the name under doesn’t exist or isn’t the right age.

anonymous411

August 23rd, 2006, 11:33 AM

Good points, but I'm not so sure that with thorough research and planning it would be all that much riskier. After all, you only need to show the easily-faked documents once, but you put your ass on the line every single time you show a fake driver's ID.

Your photographs and prints might be on record somewhere, but if you're going to use that identity exclusively, how much of a concern is it? On the other hand, if you need it for some short-term "special project", I suppose you'd be better off manufacturing it and dumping all traces of it as soon as humanly possible.

As always, purpose and intent determines method. What amount of risk does it makes sense to take? If all you're after is a modicum of privacy/freedom of movement, you could get always get a real ID with your real information in another state under an disposable address. Nothing criminal there.

festergrump

August 23rd, 2006, 01:44 PM

If you are in need of a fake ID for the reason of getting access to something you are not normally allowed access to (ie: alcohol, bars, businesses with light security) this might work for a time. If, however, it is to fool the piggies and any three letter agencies, you'd best think again:

A friend of mine was recently hauled down to the county jail and processed under a bullshit misdemeanor charge. As a convenience store clerk he sold a small glass stem looking thingy to an undercover piggie (probably used to smoke crack or ice). Whether or not he beats the charge is irrelevant, though, let me explain why...

While he was at the jail (along with the owner of the store who was not present when the sale transpired) and made to wait patiently in a holding cell, they removed him alone several times, as they did everyone else within the holding cell. The usual delousing process, the fingerprinting, the interegations, ect. continued for some hours, but THEN... then they took three very close photographs of his face from different angles with a very specialized camera. It was facial recognition photography.

So now, regardless of his innocence or guilt of the initial charges, they have scans of his facial structure along with his fingerprints to add to the national database. This was but one month ago, but this is your future.

Add to this the cameras on every street corner that the UK has (soon for us in the USA), and my friends, we are ALL under a microscope for the rest of all time.

Get a mask instead of a fake ID, always wear a 'hoodie' and avoid the fingers (er, um...police) whenever you can from now on.

Dank$taVegas

August 23rd, 2006, 02:36 PM

Before we had this single card format available Ontario driver's licenses used to be a two card deal,
It is the same one card design here in my province as well since we switched from the 2 card deal, but the template has changed for us and we now have new security features on the cards produced after 2002 (Alberta & BC)

national database

Every thing seems to lead it's way back to the data base, with out a way of getting past this, anything one makes is fairly useless with minor exceptions. With once very useful case listed below in this post I have run into.

Making a fake Birth Certificate or Social Insurance Card is just that, its FAKE. You will not be able to use these fakes to obtain a new Identification Card of any kind from a registry, since it is not entered into the data base system.

But on another note, Last week I came across an interesting idea. While I was searching through the local "Bargain Finder" a news paper that sells used goods. I happened to take a look through the Firearms section and came across a .22 Survival rifle I have been looking for. Since I have never bought any firearms from a used private sale (Except family) I thought I would have to go through a 3-4 week waiting period before I was able to get the gun. But this is not the case, when selling a PAL licensed gun (at least in Alberta, and it may vary through out Canada depending on what province you live in, and I'm unsure of other countries.). All one needs is to produce a Picture Identification Card , your PAL License & the proper firearm transfer papers. The fellow I bought the gun off of just glanced at my cards & papers, copied the license #'s and we both signed the transfer papers and had his wife as a witness sign. Then we exchanged money & goods and I was on my way with the gun in a matter of a few minutes.

If you were to have a fake Picture Identification Card & were able to produce a fake PAL license (which compared to faking a DL or other type of Picture Identification Card would be fairly simple to make); one could obtain used guns through private sales with little risk of getting caught. By the time the previous owner has sent in the transfer forums you would be long gone. ;)

This will only work for PAL registered guns, since they are more strict on the private sales of Restricted firearms.:(

anonymous411

August 23rd, 2006, 07:32 PM

"Making a fake Birth Certificate or Social Insurance Card is just that, its FAKE. You will not be able to use these fakes to obtain a new Identification Card of any kind from a registry, since it is not entered into the data base system"

Actually, if you're basing your documents on pre-existing real numbers (and are in a state where the DMV lets you have your license on the spot--I know of at least one), I'm not seeing a problem in getting out the door with it. It would probably be easier with access to Accurint or a big database like that to do a competent job of it, but it could be done.

gamicalguy

September 12th, 2006, 12:32 AM

Wow, the 2002 barbook is outdated. I have the 2005 barbook, should this be posted? I'm searching for a "template dvd" if anyone is familar with this and has it, please pm me!

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If you have an updated version, then of course you should upload it. :) NBK

greenboat958

September 14th, 2006, 11:48 AM

Hey all,

Been a while. I found access to an Alps 5000. Anyone want to give me a few pointers on how to use it to make "holographic overlays"? I read from earlier in this post that you simply

By Ncxvi (Ncxvi) on Friday, October 8, 1999 - 07:25 am:

To print holos on the ALPS: use the spot color option, and set the opacity at a low level. - ncXVI

But I am still unclear as to how to make the printer do multiple overlays.

Also, black cartrige does not work as of now, but I am assuming that should not be a problem for printing in Gold Foil/Metallic Gold.

greenboat958

October 1st, 2006, 06:36 PM

Ok, quick question all? Where can I find more places regarding fake IDs. Preferably holograms and the Alps 5000, but any site will do. I have looked through all of the links that come from this post and I have not been able to find any that are actually still running or have any usefull information. My problem stems from the fact that I am unable to create enough of a "shine" on top after I have put down the Pearl Ex. At this moment, I am trying the following methods...

Alps 5000 & printing photo finish over actual Pearl Ex.
Alps 5000 & using low percentage opacity with Metallic Gold (can't stop it from pixelating).
Alps 5000 & mixture of golden acrylics (see below) w/ photo finish to seal paint to butterfly poutch (have not tried yet, but keeping my fingers crossed).

I have also tried buying interference gold and iridescent pearl using "golden acrylics" (to specifically add the shine).

I have used both the heavy body
http://www.goldenpaints.com/products/color/heavybody/index.php
'www.goldenpaints.com/products/color/heavybody/index.php'

as well as the fluid type
http://www.goldenpaints.com/products/color/fluid/index.php
'www.goldenpaints.com/products/color/fluid/index.php'

But I am unable to recreate that bright shine and gloss (from what I understand, like iridecent Pearls or 'depth').

Any help would be appreciated.

greenboat

PS: Any questions, please ask. Also, while I do think I could pass this off as simply "my card fell in some paint thinner" and get by, I would prefer something next to perfect. Trades from different states (due to unfamiliarity) also welcome. Obviously what you do with it is your own, but I wanted to give back a little from what I have learned here. I would assume that anyone would be using it to remain anonymous with your purchases.

PPS: Templates from other states welcome as well. I have a Florida Photoshop file custom made. Also post if interested or E-mail me.

popeonarope

October 28th, 2006, 12:40 AM

Greenboat, are you using the metallic gold cartridge or the gold foil cartridge? I think the gold foil is supposed to be better. Another idea is to print onto the pouch/overlay and then put a thin coating on the back of the hologram (a reflective backing is supposed to help in this way).

Also, what have you all found regarding the sublimation mode on the MD-5000 (or other ALPS printers)?
And any luck with holograms not being too opaque or so that you can't see them when looking straight on?

Bugger

October 30th, 2006, 06:44 PM

Random136 said (15 August 2006):
Introductions aside, I would like to offer to the community the pdf format of the 2002 version of the ID Checking Guide- United States and Canada version, mistakenly referred to by our confused friend as the “Bar Book”. Sorry about the size, but I tried to keep as much of the detail as possible form the original pictures. The link can be found below:

'http://rapidshare.de/files/29430125/ID_Checking_Guide_2002-_United_States_and_Canada_Version-_by_RANDOM136_.pdf.html'

This file has been deleted for inactivity - someone please re-upload it.

random136

October 31st, 2006, 01:09 AM

Bugger, please check the 'Lots of RapidShare Links' thread for your requested literature.

ShadowKnows

November 7th, 2006, 04:10 AM

Hey everyone,

I've been reading the forum for a while now and hope I can give something back. One fertile niche for document falsification is stickers and permits that are affixed to IDs. One college I'm familiar with sells stickers that students put on the backs of their student ID cards; these stickers act as universal passes for all public transportation in a wide area around the school. These stickers are rectangular with gold foil lettering on glossy colored paper, and each semester new stickers are issued in a different color.

Students aren't supposed to use old passes, but according to SWIM, bus drivers often overlook the use of stickers from past semesters. With such a level of inattentiveness among public transport personnel, it would be easy to set up a counterfeit sticker printing operation, and since the stickers are much less expensive than normal transportation passes the printer could make a lot of money.

That's one example of an expensive pass that doesn't use sophisticated printing technology. If you sniff around your city you can find lots of things--season tickets, parking passes, etc.--that are easy to copy but cost a chunk of cash. College campuses are really the best place for any aspiring document forger to set up shop, since there are lots of gullible kids with money to burn. They can serve as customers or as marks. They can also hook you up with all kinds of tech toys and printing equipment to further your business.

random136

November 7th, 2006, 03:27 PM

Indeed, ShadowKnows, public transit has long been the target of forgery for many, from petty crooks to seasoned criminals. I have seen several ‘rings’ in my city get taken down by cops for forging bus tickets (amusingly the tickets remained unchanged, even after the arrests and are still just as easy to forge).

Then there was the case of the men working both in Canada and the United States punching out subway tokens on a home made machine. This one actually did cause the subway system to change their tokens, but only after suffering millions of dollars in losses, and being left with the dilemma of never being able to differentiate the fake tokens from the real.

Even Kevin Mitnick, one of the great social engineers of our time, describes in his book, The Art of Deception, how at a very young age he learned to manipulate his local bus company’s ticket system (which used punch cards I believe) so that he could travel for free all over town. However, he has made many more important accomplishments in his life, and his work with fake identifications does illustrate some prime examples of what one should and should not do. You may take a look at his book if you like; you will find it in the ‘Lots of RapidShare Links’ thread shortly.

Precedents aside, the one true point I would like to make is that the smart bird does not fowl its own nest. If everyone here truly intends to make fake identifications then they must need them for a reason, and that reason is anonymity (or underage drinking, but who am I to judge?)

Simply having a fake identification, or indeed a complete set of fake identifications, will do you no good when the world as we know it gets turned upside down by big brother. It has already begun, we have cameras on every corner and RFID is being implemented more and more (perhaps more then we know). Our shiny new cars and cell phones will betray our location to the people with the right keys, using their ‘OnStar’ safety feature, and their child tracking GPS 'option', respectively.

Airports, train stations, and even subway stations, have become the interrogation rooms of the future, where big brother can scrutinize over every detail and every aspect of every individual entering or leaving, should big brother choose to do so.

Indeed, small scale public transportation has become a relic of a past age. If one pays the slightly more costly cash fee, boards a bus at a remote station, and stays away from major or terminal stations, one can, in effect travel anonymously, more so, then even by foot. There are no cameras to film you, no identification to show, no metal detectors and no scrutiny.

However, when a stabbing occurred on a bus in my city and the culprit could not be caught or identified (for the reasons outlined above), discussions began on implementing a new system, involving camera’s near the front entrance and magnetic swipe cards (instead of tickets) to replace the old system. Case in point, do not take the few things we still have for granted, and do not try to rip them off (no matter how simple it might be).

Jeebo

November 29th, 2006, 09:19 PM

Does anyone have state holograms or an efficient way to scan them into the computer? I have tried scanning the holograms in on a couple of IDs and the scanner has a very difficult time picking up the outline of the hologram. Any tips?

Cobalt.45

December 1st, 2006, 12:39 PM

Case in point, do not take the few things we still have for granted, and do not try to rip them off (no matter how simple it might be).
Human nature being what it is, you can bet that any and all systems will be under attack by those with the desire to match wits with the designers/protectors of said systems.

Just as no system is tamper-proof, neither is any tampering undetectable.

But the challenge will always beckon...

steelth

December 20th, 2006, 04:45 PM

my only question is how do you make it scannable? Is there a way without paying 500+ for a magnetic strip reader/writer?

DarkSupreme

January 7th, 2007, 02:57 PM

Magnetic strip readers/writers are available used from eBay or other sources for around 50EUR. Its recommended not to buy a cheap model, because they often lack features necessary for proper creation/copying of pseudo-official magnet strips...

wailua1221

February 3rd, 2007, 09:30 PM

I have noticed that these replies have become relatively dormant.

I am a newbie and would like to give back some of my knowledge regardless of how trivial it may be. If you are, looking to get a quick face produced and possess no Teslin, Laminator or anything for that matter to make a fake ID besides a scanner, printer, Photoshop, and Photo paper here's a quick suggestion.

Scan yourself in Photoshop change your birth date and place the photo paper with the 21+ template over your original license. Now this is by no means a money making production method. And it has countless obvious flaws, such as not scanning, and greatly lacks authenticity. But if you know a simple place where all they do is quickly check your birth date I strongly suggest this method.

steelth

February 20th, 2007, 12:52 PM

mr_gone

March 9th, 2007, 05:10 PM

If going for a mag reader/writer I'll suggest the MSR206 (you'll find variations in that model# eg: MSRW206). They just under U$400 and work great. They're RS232 devices that may ship with a USB-serial adapter. But, IMPE, usb comms suck (sporadic reads and writes). Stick with serial. The MSR206 will ship with an app that allows raw reads of data, along wqith AAMVA and old CA DMV formatted reads (oh, also supports ISO standard formatted tracks). For, er, other uses, a highly recommended magstrip app is Exeba Comm, Just my 2c

kingtaboo

March 9th, 2007, 08:03 PM

hey if anyone has the drivers license guide/bar book 2005+ can they please post it? i have some photoshop quality templates for trade or something.

nbk2000

March 9th, 2007, 09:41 PM

I'll trade you a 3rd-grade grammar primer for your templates. :)

wst50

March 17th, 2007, 03:08 PM

Slight snag with scanning for ID's. Scanners can recognize the patterns commonly used in money and official documents such as passports/ID's etc, and they scramble it a bit. Prove it to yourself- try scanning a $5/£5 or 5 Euro note (not got the Euro symbol on my keyboard), or even photocopy it. It won't work. And there is that printer pattern involved, so they have to look very briefly at it (a standard check, nothing with a magnifying glass or microscope.) If they get a microscope out, run quickly, you're busted. (Change into a disguise in the toilets and escape subtly)

wailua1221

March 19th, 2007, 09:29 PM

Kingtaboo,

Although I personally don't own the guide book I can direct you to where you can get it. But out of curiousity what templates do you possess?

meestaeimaj

March 24th, 2007, 09:20 AM

I've heard of methods used by people to recreate those holo things on various forms of ID where there is only one colour, but looking at a US DL of a friends (a Florida one) the holo marking on it appears to be 2-3 colours. Does anyone know how this could hypothetically be achieved ? This stuff is really interesting by the way - great thread.

mc_nik

April 12th, 2007, 10:47 PM

I believe it's quite similar. I've never tried multi-colour holograms myself because we only have silver holos and a UV print on our licences...well those who are old enough to drive anyway, however from what I've heard you just mix the dominant colours of the hologram of stuff called Pearl Ex, which works quite well for single coloured holos anway. [Grammar? unsure of previous sentence.] There's quite a lot of results to be found on google. You'll most likely need a screen stencil kit as well, Photo EZ is a good one.

On a side note, anyone who knows of the UK driving licence, particularly the DVLNI one, is the UV image of the Royal Crown in any particular colour? Willing to swap high quality, built from scratch templates for more info.

Hope that helps and thanks for any help that may come my way.

kizm0

November 13th, 2007, 11:26 PM

I work at a local bar and we're upgrading our security. I need to know what thickness the IL id is to compare it with others..unfortunately I have no access to IL id because I am in a different state but we have recently had more people coming in with IL ids and its suspicious.

rar

January 18th, 2008, 01:08 PM

I first wasn’t going to post this because it's just a simple fake used to get beer etc. But then I thought that that would be of more use to most people then advanced forgeries which give the impression of being a normal card when in fact they lack what makes a real ID card today namely a spot in the registries which are used to verify the cards authenticity.

So here goes. A way of making a fake ID. This card will deceive bouncers, bartenders etc. this card won't pass police, army, borderguard, or bankers inspections and it won't give you a sirius forgery charge or get you into the black lists off the banks.

You will need:
1 Visa Elektron
1 sheet of photo paper with glue on one side
1 sheet of glossy clear plastik with glue on one side
sandpaper (200grain or finer)
razorblade (stanly, olfa etc.)
scouring cream (do not know the English word for it, stuff for cleaning tiles, sinks. It's about the consistency of ketchup and has tiny grains in it)
rag
printer editing program

1. Remove dust and dirt by rinsing card in water
2. Scan the card using a high DPI, 1200++
3. Save this as your safety copy
4. Put scouring cream on the rag and rub lightly on the front of the card above the magnet strip until the holograms are gone, stop and rinse often so you have full control. Be careful it's easy to remove the text on the face as well as the holograms.
5. Rinse the card and scan again. Compare with the first chose the best.
6. Open scan of choice in your editing program. And find a number(s) on the face of the card which have approximately the same background as the numbers that show your birthdate copy. Copy the number(s) you want to the right places in your birthdate (you might have to blur the background a bit). Can’t find the right number(s) draw something
7. Print the edited card out on to the fotopaper, you might have to try some times in order to get the right tone.
8. Sand down the card until only the background remains make sure you do it in even and smooth movements, the magnet strip and all personal info will be gone. Do the last bit with wetsanding
9. Rinse, dry and glue the fotopaper to the front, make sure you avoid bubbles and that it's positioned right.
10. Glue the glossy clear plastic over the fotopaper trim away exces paper and plastic
11. Rub against a fairly smooth surface like a table to imitate natural wear. If you didn’t do a good job dirty it up a bit.

This will in all likelihood get you past the age limits provided you behave properly, however there is always a risk. I would not recommend doing this as it will go in your criminal history if your caught.

Now onto something more serious I don't have any experience with it because it's illegal. The easiest way to get proper fakes hasn’t been posted here so. If you want to build a fake person go to border countries (Hungary or Mexico feks.) and by one. By a passport which is registered and proceed. This will get you into allot of trouble with everyone and you should consider joining the foreign legion instead in order to get a new/another ID.

I post this because information is always handy, but you should think about if it’s worth messing up the rest of your life just because you want beer before your 18.
Be smart don’t do it cause sooner or later you all get caught