!!! DAMN !!!

[stanfield]

Recently, I thought I've found a supplier who sell paraformaldehyde for E-process for RDX. The company re-contact me to say I'm not an industry, so they can't sell me any product !!!!

So, I WANT you to give me some suppliers who accept to sell in France (I'm french...) and who accept to sell at ANYONE even particular !!!

thanx a lot.

any reply is more than appreciated...

[kingspaz]

the fact you seem to be demanding assistance may not go down well with the mods. try searching the internet for family owned chemical suppliers as they need all the business they can get.

[stanfield]

found nothing about "family owned chemical suppliers" on www.google.com, (http://www.google.com,) all industry I found require a company name, SHIT !

help me plz ! I'm really bored about looking for this product !

thanx a lot !

[J]

Chances are that no-one else has had any luck either.

J

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[kingspaz]

stanfield, one thing i have learned is nomatter how bored you get keep looking. sooner or later (most likely later!) you will find what you are looking for. do you have yellow pages in france? if you do, use it!!!!

[stanfield]

In france, all is forbidden !!
Hexamine is forbidden
I can't buy weapons
I can't buy dynamite
I cant' buy nitric acid even 60% (forbidden)
I can't buy fireworks !!!!!!!!!
I can't buy black powder

I could write a .doc file of 400 Mb about things who are forbidden in this fuckin' DEMOCRACY !

And you think I will find paraformaldehyde, a very dangerous product that dealer use everyday in the yellow pages ? Maybe I will find it but the company will ask me for autorisation, etc... like all in france.
All in france is autorisations, official papers, license, administration, ...

soon, in france, you will have to get an autorisation to piss and you'll have to pay for that !

I really hate the France

If one day, you will have to move out your country, DONT COME IN FRANCE, or you'll regret it !

I will have a look in the yellow page and ask for some company (maybe a little bit of chance http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif )

thanx for all !

[megalomania]

Why don't you look into starting a small business? At least get the liscense, I don't know how it is done in France, but I don't imagine it could be that difficult, or expensive. You could try (say) you make soaps or perfume, you get the idea.

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[the freshmaker]

Stanfield; Last summer I was on vacation in France(nice country). It was around the bastille day, so all the kids were playin arund with alot of fireworks. So I went into this litle shop who sold all this postcards knifes, tshirts etc, and asked for some fireworks. Then he showed me what he had. I was like WHOOA! He had all the traditional shit like rockets, fountains etc. AND those big firecrackers (petards!)The biggest one were about 25cm in lenght!! So ofcause I bought a whole lot of the these sticks-powerfull crackers! Also at the pharmacy I asked for "formole" (formalin) and yes I bought a few bottles of this! And in Paris I found Al powder, 5liter bottles of toluene etc at a paintstore!
So don't say you can't get hold of any good stuff in france!



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[Microtek]

In every country there are forbidden products, and in each country it's different things. You just need to work around it; if you can't get nitric acid then use sulfuric acid + nitrate. If there are other chemicals, look into their synthesis and try to make them yourself ( which could be quite entertaining ). In my country it is the same with rules and regulations; no lab-supplier will sell to private citizens, so maybe you know someone who owns a small firm and who would be willing to order chems for you. Or maybe you could buy precursors in common shops such as paintstores or pharmacies. You could also concentrate on those explosives that don't require exotic chems, such as hydrazine nitrate. If there is a will, there is a way.

[stanfield]

I think it depends of the region you were...

Megalomania : your idea is interresting...but I think I will have to pay taxes and other shit like this (political man in france love very much the word TAXES...)

Don't you think, it will be more easy to find an industry in the east of the europe who is only looking for $$$ so I could buy my para ?

thanx!

[nbk2000]

I'm sure even the french have RV campers. The toilets use para as a deodorant/disinfectant. I'd suggest you go "camping". http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif

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[Donutty]

You think it's hard to get things in France!! The UK is much worse!

1] I can't buy weapons

I have a catalogue from TecMagex, a French company which sells knives, pistols etc.

2] I can't buy dynamite

Neither can I! http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

3] I cant' buy nitric acid even 60%

You can if you look hard enough!

4] I can't buy fireworks !!!!!!!!!

Here in the UK, France is always assumed as the first place to go for (illegal) fireworks such as firecrackers

5] I can't buy black powder

TecMagex sells it.

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[Flying Dutchman]

This summer I was in France (the North)
I just wanted to buy a diving knife,
They had alot of fireworks!!!
big crackers..
and No in Holland you also can't buy dynamite <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

[PrimoPyro]

Stan, Stan, Stan, come on now. The power of the internet is at your fingertips! Jesus Christ, you whine like a baby and want it served to you on a silver platter.

Paraformaldehyde is also known as trioxane. Trioxane, like hexamine, is used as a common fuel source for military/camping stoves and heaters, and all that good stuff. It's dirt cheap, too, which is good because living in France does you little good since the U.S. is where it's dirt cheap at, and you will pay a little higher shipping.

I personally know of three chemical suppliers that will sell to anyone willing to slap some cash in their digital hand, and ship internationally. On top of this, the search query, "trioxane+products" in Google turned up 706 results! I'm sure you know that adding the word "products" to your chemical queries greatly increases the quality of your returned query list. This works very well with any chemical. Never search for chemical suppliers, search for what you are looking for+products, because 99% of chemical companies and novelty companies put the word "products" on their Products page! What a concept, eh? So your query return is a list of products pages found on the web that contain your chemical on the page somewhere. How hard is that?

<a href="http://www.afmo.com/cfdocs/CATID.cfm?CATID=1032" target="_blank">http://www.afmo.com/cfdocs/CATID.cfm?CATID=1032</a>

This one outright says they ship almost anywhere in the world. Worried about labels? Why don't you send them a friendly email with your order and tell them you would like it labeled as "solid camping fuel sticks" because that is what it will be used for, right? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

<a href="http://216.122.173.107/trioxane%20fuel.htm" target="_blank">http://216.122.173.107/trioxane%20fuel.htm</a>

There's another one. There are 706 query returns like this by simply typing in what you wanted into Google. Don't search for "Chemical Companies" or the like, it's a waste of time. Are you going to buy a "family owned chemical company" or something? Search for what you intend to purchase and you will get a lot less trouble.

I won't mention my suppliers in public, but if you (Stan) want to know of a specific American chemical supplier that sells to individuals, takes whatever form of payment you want to give them, and ships internationally, and they DEFINITELY offer paraformaldehyde, pure, just send me an email and I'll let you know privately.

Anyone can get chemicals anywhere, I don't care what the laws say. The power of the internet is impossible to deny, and it's power is at all of your fingertips daily. The electron and the lure of the almighty dollar have given you great opportunities. Use them.

PrimoPyro

[NoltaiR]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> from kingspaz: the fact you seem to be demanding assistance may not go down well with the mods. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">but you are a mod... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

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Ah...but he WASN'T a mod when this topic was first posted a year ago. How times have changed... :)

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[Anthony]

No, we are the Collective...

Good searching advice Primo.

[vulture]

IIRC, trioxane is not the same thing as hexamine. Use organic synthesis datebase to see the difference. They do have the same use.

[PrimoPyro]

Of course it isn't.

That's why I said trioxane is paraformaldehyde, which is a trimer of the formaldehyde molecule. Hexamine is a different molecule entirely.

I only said that they have a common purpose, at least in the USA: solid fuel for camping stoves, etc.

PrimoPyro

[DeusExMachina]

just search on google.. another good search engine is alta vista

trust me, i looked REALLY hard to find a a place that sells fuses to canada. it took me a long time but i found it... just keep on looking and you will be able to find what you are looking for

[stanfield]

really ? :) :) :)
I think everybody here knows both of them...

furthermore, there is one year I've got 1 kg of paraformaldehyde...
I've only used 100g, and the I don't use anymore the remaining product... if you're interested, I could re-sell it to you...

bye !

[zeocrash]

ok i got my chemicals as a gift from my grandad, several years ago.
he bought them from a company called downswood chemicals. for £120 we got
1kg sulfur flowers
1kg amonium nitrate
500g ammonium chloride
500g potassium permanganate
1kg Agar jelly (bacteriological growth medium)
1kg zinc
1kg iron sulphide
1kg sodium hydroxide
5 litres sulphuric acid 98%
5 litres nitric acid 75%
5 litres hydrochloric acid 80%
unfortunatly the company went bankrupt soon after this, but there must be more companies like this.
i might still have some details, so they may be able to recomend other companies

[Polverone]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">5 litres hydrochloric acid 80%</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">It must be hard to use that acid, considering the violent venting of hydrogen chloride every time you open one of the pressurized containers.

[megalomania]

He's right... the max conc of HCl in water is around 40% at STP, you might want to check that label again.

[zeocrash]

ok, i'll have to check that one