is there an european chemicals supplier who doesnt check id?

[FMShadow]

hi all. is there an european chemicals supplier who doesnt check the id, age or whatever? something like unitednuclear.com, but which also ships chems to europe. i need potassium perchlorate and aluminium... german dark, if possible.

so, does anyone know a store which fits these "requirements"?!

[zeocrash]

you know just a few minutes a go, a new member enquired about the same question, do you know what happened to him ??
to answer your question. no i do not know one. they will usually not sell to you if you are under 18/21/23. why not buy from united nuclear, or pyrotek, they both ship to europe if you bothered to read their websites. you just have to pay a slightly higher shipment charge. where abouts in europe are you from.
anyway if i were you i'd change your post, quickly before one of our mods or the much feared NBK finds you

[nbk2000]

Oops...too late. :mad:

What the fuck is up with the people who can't be bothered to Capitalize the first letter of a sentence? Or who use "1" instead of "one" in a word? Like in "every1"? :rolleyes:

We don't ask much of our members here. All we ask for is a bit of common sense, courtesy, and decent language skills. Is that too hard to manage?!

Read the "Banned For Life" section to see where you've erred, then come back in half a month. :p

[Anthony]

A valid question, if inappropriately asked.

You answered your own question - you can use unitednuclear.

If you need I.D, get one of your parents or a friend/relative to provide it.

Or you could do what many of us do and make the chems we require, or find OTC sources for them.

Moving to the *correct* section :rolleyes:

[Machiavelli]

Hmm, on UNs site it says "We can ship all of our products out of the U.S.A, EXCEPT for Chemicals and Fuse" so this sounds like he couldn't use UN. However, if you think about it, then a chemicals supplier who doesn't check age and ID is exactly the thing you don't want, because anyone who's supposed to work in this buisness and doesn't try to cover his ass legally is likely either a fraudster or running a sting operation.
So either you stick to OTC sources and make your own precursors or you build up a legitimate cover so you can do everyday buisness with the suppliers.

[megalomania]

You Europeans are lucky to have a major world chemical supplier connected via land routes and no concern for the welfare of others. I mean China. In China you can find just about every chemical the US has to offer without all the pesky laws. Unfortunately most of their websites are in Chinese, so finding a good supplier may be tricky. I find them all the time when looking for bulk chems, and when shopping at surplus suppliers. They don’t tend to sell in small quantities, but if a drum to a tanker is what you want, China has it. Import restrictions and the expense of overseas shipping make them rather useless for me.

[zeocrash]

i found a rather good website which sells chinese chemical suppliers produce, <a href="http://www.echinachem.com" target="_blank">www.echinachem.com</a> take a look at it

also when did we start giving temp bans sounds like NBK is going soft in his old age. :p j/k

EDIT: Fixed link - Zaibatsu

Not soft, he has been deleted. He's been given the opportunity to try reading the rules for another two weeks :) - Anthony
oh right ok -zeocrash

<small>[ January 20, 2003, 04:29 AM: Message edited by: zeocrash ]</small>

[Boob Raider]

I found this site today ..... Is this a load of BS or is it reliable
<a href="http://www.unitednuclear.com/chem.htm" target="_blank">http://www.unitednuclear.com/chem.htm</a>
Anyways what do you all think ?

[a_bab]

Well, do a search in the Forum and you'll find lots of opinions. It was discussed before quite intensively. Some opinions are pros, some are cons. Nobody ordered from them yet as far as I know.

[The_Rsert]

Look at this:
http://people.freenet.de/Dechema/4678gh32.htm#Sonderposten
or this
http://www.kremer-pigmente.de/
or this
http://www.hermann-zinke.de/
or this
ovf-gmbh@freenet.de
or this
pp_glyze@yahoo.de
or this
hebelgebel@web.de
or this
chems@consultant.com
or this
dilala@freenet.de
or this
Tzaphqiel@gmx.de
or this
groessbrink@web.de -10kg KNO3 for 25€!
or this
http://www.hood.de/ -check for "alu" oe "aluminium" or "magnesium"
....

[bobo]

jeez... the ppl you gave the email account of on this forum will be happy now will they? Anyway, getting chems is no big deal but you never know if someone might tell the antiterror agencies that you ordered sodiumazide.

[Child-of-Bodom]

There are enough places where you can get chemicals.
However, the problem is that most of the times you have to let the sending come to your home. That means that your name (probably a fake one) and adress (your real one) are in a file in a computer. If a putative terrorsit is found, and he order by accident at the same store, they might have a look in his send-list.

I have the same problem now, I know a german site where I can order everything I want, including sodium azide. I don't trust the site really, they are too obious that they're 'pyrotechnic', I don't know or the German government does tricking like that...

You can always drive to a company, but the main problem is the distance, I am not going to drive 5h to a company for some chems... (this might sound strange for Americans, but 5 hours driving is a LOT in holland) Europe is quite large if you look upon that...

[The_Rsert]

Which German shop does Child-of-Bodom mean?
Because I'm living in Germany and ordering by www.acros.be is not really cheap.

[bobo]

does acros actually send stuff to the third back alley in Berlin? I mean, these large chem companies usually don't like just anyone and his dog ordering chemicals. I'd be surprised to learn that acros did. On the other hand, if they are so friendly as to ship to your house they will undoubtedly record this and hand it over. Unless you smell of goat, or order a large amount of DEA listed crap, I doubt this has any consequences.

In Germany there's a lot of places to get chems on the second hand market, also in some webstores. Naturhaus/cyberchem is one, although they require a ludicrous amount of paperwork.

[The_Rsert]

Second hand chems? Lol!
To get glassware and chems is almostly really easy.
But one problem: The price.
My lokal chem supplier "Firma - Walter" does sell anything(!!!), if you have a legal use for using the chem.
For example: There 250g NaOH techn. prills costs about 8-10€. Thats much.
And my lokal glassware supplier "Eydam (Quadro-Lab Store)" does sell all what I/you need.
For example: A high-quality destilling column (500ml, 29/32, with a big 50cm Liebig cooler) costs only 70-80€. Thats cheap for this quality!

The second problem:
I have/know no legal use for getting NaN3 or acetic anhydride or HNO2 or....
The "Walter" clerks will (of course) ask what i will do with NaN3 if I will ask for NaN3.

So please give me reason (adresse) to get (for example) cheap NaN3, N2H5 and HNO2 (yes HNO2, to make HN3 [N2H5 + HNO2 --> HN3 + H30(instable --> H2O+H) + H20])

Sorry about my bad English!

[bobo]

Well, I think you better not ask them for anything azide. It's a compound with danger labels in each possible category and even if the clerk doesn't know a thing about explosives, it will require special paperwork. And did I mention that HN3 is not healthy either?

But you are the one who so thoughtfully posted email addies all over this thread and for sure if you actually trade with those people, you will stumble into someone who has azide.

Nitrite on the other hand is somehow ambiguous. I know a place in germany that sells it (and already practically told you which one), all you have to do is find a legal use for nitrite and make up a cover story. Or, you make it yourself, there's a recent thread about it. Anyway, a guy was suddenly alarmed when I asked about nitrite in a chem store who happily sold me phenol for instance. There is someone else who can sell me nitrite in 25kg bags, however. I think, it depends on the place, but nitrite should be available otc.

[tmp]

United Nuclear - too expensive, there are cheaper sources. The_Rsert,
NaN3 is used in airbags. If you told them you needed it to rebuild an
airbag unit, would they believe you ? Just an idea.

[The_Rsert]

I have never tried to ask for airbags by a car-gaget supllier.
I will ask for it next time.
Is it cheap?

[nbk2000]

E-bay is cheap source for airbags. I'm sure there's a germany version, check that first, and look for passenger side airbags, as they have much more azide in them then the driver side does.

[Child-of-Bodom]

I ment alchemy.vevo.net
I didn't order anything from them, so I don't know how trustfull they are. If you have ordered anything there without problems, can you inform me?

For glassware the best place is E-bay germany, there is a huge section 'labor & wissenschaft'. It's pity some suppliers won't ship to the rest of europe, but most do...

[The_Rsert]

Here, another cheap supplier:
Chemonline:
http://www.chemonline.0catch.com/de.html
Mirror, without pop-ups:
http://www.pcpages.com/chemonline/de.html

Chemicals in bigger ammounts:
http://stockmeier.de/2001/Loeffler/Lieferprogramme/art_feststoffe_01.htm

Soon, i will buy something from alchemie.vevo.net...
Than we will see how it works, with the site...

[The_Rsert]

AlfaAesar - Germany
http://www.alfa-chemcat.com/onlinecatalogue/suche.asp

Chemonline - Eng-version, but does only sell to european countrys
http://www.pcpages.com/chemonline/eng.html

Eydam - Quadro-Lab, Germany, for cheap glassware
www.eydam.de

[The_Rsert]

Here, you can buy PE :)
http://members.tripod.com/teveten11/pe.html

And here you can buy cheap sodium hydroxide and sodium persulfate :)
http://www.google.de/search?q=cache:rxeqAqP70-oJ:www.prixx.de/index.php%3Fspi%3DNatrium+Natriumpersulfat&hl=de

www.reichelt.de search for "Natrium"; cheap 24h shippment

[The_Rsert]

Other pages for 10kg, 25kg and 100kg drum selling
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http://www.syskem.de/syskem_pages/sk_produkt_141003.html

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http://web.wlwonline.de/servlet/FrameSet?anzeige=doppelfenster&vonanzeige=kurzliste&sprache=de&land=DE&host=DE&firmaid=946795&klobjid=69981&suche=produkt&suchbegriff=natriumbenzoat&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tecon-chemicals.de

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http://www.on-chem.de/index.htm

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Interlab E-Bay
http://search.ebay.de/_W0QQgotopageZ1QQsassZinterQ2dlabQQsorecordsperpag eZ50QQsosortorderZ1QQsosortpropertyZ1

[grandtheftauto]

germany is pretty good with selling chemicals, so are the eastern bloc countries

[The_Rsert]

If anyone know -good- suppliers for chemicals, please write here the adresses down. I know only good glasware shops here in my near.

[countvoncount]

Good cover-stories and distributor info here http://www.hyperdeath.co.uk/chemicals/index.html