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posted January 16, 2001 02:20 AM
Is there is any higher concentration than 35-40% H2O2??? like 65%!!!
If yes, how can you use it?
ALENGOSVIG1
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posted January 16, 2001 02:29 AM
yes and no, and this has been disscused..anything more that 30% should be diluted..although i never do cause of my lazzy ness
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posted January 16, 2001 06:32 AM
How can you dilute it???
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posted January 16, 2001 06:51 AM
Water.
Anthony
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posted January 16, 2001 08:07 AM
65% H2O2 would be damn dangerous, so you won't be able to buy it, certainaly not OTC.
BTW, if you ever manage to find some 80% H2O2, stick your fingers in it, I guarrantee you won't be dissapointed.
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MasterMayhem
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posted January 16, 2001 10:09 AM
And what the hell would you need higher conc. then 30-35% h202 for? I asume you wanna use it making ap hmtd.
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posted January 16, 2001 03:39 PM
Yeah thats good advice Anthony
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posted January 16, 2001 04:39 PM
i believe (this is just speculation though, just my thought) that super high concentrations (like 50+ percent) produce a super pure AP crystal. this might sound good, being pure and all but i think the minimal amount of impurities added to the mix in a process that uses, like, 30% actually desensitize the AP a little bit. making it safer to handle. think about NG. in its pure form it is super unstable, but you add some sawdust to it, making it impure, and you get relitivley sensitive dynamite (not super sensitive NG)
- once again this is just what i think, it is not backed up by any actual research (i think)
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posted January 17, 2001 04:17 AM
There's a liquid explosive in "Anarchist Arsenal"that uses 90% H202 and glycerin in a 75 to 25 ratio.Where the hell would you get 90% peroxide,though?!.Any chem. students out there know how to purify it?.
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posted January 17, 2001 06:49 AM
I wouldn't even want 90% if i got offered it, It's Damn dangerous to handle.
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posted January 17, 2001 06:51 AM
I belive you can freeze out the water to purify h202, but i doubt you'd get 90%
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posted January 17, 2001 02:20 PM
Haha! There's the anarchist's crapbook for you! 90% H2O2 + glycerine = boom on contact. Unless that was how it was supossed to work, by mixing the two to make an explosion.
I would accept 905 if it was offered, I'd just be *extremely* careful with it! Imagine a 12 year old kewl kid with some 90% h2o2 - *spills it on himself* "arh shit! I'm on fire, I'm on fire!"
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posted January 17, 2001 03:53 PM
not meaning to step on your toes Anthony, but he said anarchist arsenal of course I don't like either book
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posted January 17, 2001 04:44 PM
So he did, I must have skipped to the next word as soon as I read "anarchi.."
BTW, "905" should say "90%"
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posted January 17, 2001 05:05 PM
H2O2 can be concentrated up to 60% by freezing. A good excuse for wanting higher concetrations of H2O2 is rocketry, it makes and exelent mono propellant.
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posted January 17, 2001 06:06 PM
I tried freezing some H2O2 once, I didn't work, the liquid poured off ddin't seem any more concentrated than what I started with. I think the difference between the freezing point of water and H2O2 is only like 1*C.
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posted January 17, 2001 07:27 PM
Dave harber (author of 'Anarchist Arsenal')learned the explosives trade in the Service(definitely not a KeWL BoMbeR!).He claims because this explosive has no NO2 group in it's chemical makeup,it isn't picked up by NVA detectors.This could come in very handy-if it were possible to make!
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posted January 18, 2001 05:40 AM
H2O2 can exist as high as 100% but the dangerous (auto)catalytic decomposition is to be expected over 50%.
33% is already 100 Volumes. Thus 100% will be 300 Volumes.
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posted January 18, 2001 05:42 AM
AP doesn't conatin any nitrogen compunds either. Sniffer dogs are trained to detect nitrogen compunds.
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posted January 18, 2001 08:22 PM
yeah it contains nitrogen, just not the nitrite polyatomic ion...
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posted January 31, 2001 10:09 AM
I have allways used 40% H202 for AP...
I never had any problems...until now
Is it dangerous to use 40% for AP?
Try to put a tablespoon KMnO4 in a bottle with a litle H202...NICE ROCKET!
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posted January 31, 2001 10:10 AM
Im sorry, but my fucking pc can't resist shockwaves from explosions.....
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posted January 31, 2001 10:14 AM
sorry
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posted January 31, 2001 10:32 AM
1 time is enough
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posted January 31, 2001 02:19 PM
computer malfunction freshmaker?
this is why members should be able to delete their own posts.
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posted January 31, 2001 03:51 PM
yeah that sucks. it would make life on the forum a little easier.
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posted January 16, 2001 02:20 AM
Is there is any higher concentration than 35-40% H2O2??? like 65%!!!
If yes, how can you use it?
ALENGOSVIG1
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From: Vancouver, Canada
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posted January 16, 2001 02:29 AM
yes and no, and this has been disscused..anything more that 30% should be diluted..although i never do cause of my lazzy ness
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Detonator
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posted January 16, 2001 06:32 AM
How can you dilute it???
MasterMayhem
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posted January 16, 2001 06:51 AM
Water.
Anthony
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posted January 16, 2001 08:07 AM
65% H2O2 would be damn dangerous, so you won't be able to buy it, certainaly not OTC.
BTW, if you ever manage to find some 80% H2O2, stick your fingers in it, I guarrantee you won't be dissapointed.
[This message has been edited by Anthony (edited January 16, 2001).]
MasterMayhem
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posted January 16, 2001 10:09 AM
And what the hell would you need higher conc. then 30-35% h202 for? I asume you wanna use it making ap hmtd.
SafetyLast
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posted January 16, 2001 03:39 PM
Yeah thats good advice Anthony
CragHack
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posted January 16, 2001 04:39 PM
i believe (this is just speculation though, just my thought) that super high concentrations (like 50+ percent) produce a super pure AP crystal. this might sound good, being pure and all but i think the minimal amount of impurities added to the mix in a process that uses, like, 30% actually desensitize the AP a little bit. making it safer to handle. think about NG. in its pure form it is super unstable, but you add some sawdust to it, making it impure, and you get relitivley sensitive dynamite (not super sensitive NG)
- once again this is just what i think, it is not backed up by any actual research (i think)
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MacCleod
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posted January 17, 2001 04:17 AM
There's a liquid explosive in "Anarchist Arsenal"that uses 90% H202 and glycerin in a 75 to 25 ratio.Where the hell would you get 90% peroxide,though?!.Any chem. students out there know how to purify it?.
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MasterMayhem
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posted January 17, 2001 06:49 AM
I wouldn't even want 90% if i got offered it, It's Damn dangerous to handle.
MasterMayhem
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posted January 17, 2001 06:51 AM
I belive you can freeze out the water to purify h202, but i doubt you'd get 90%
Anthony
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From: England
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posted January 17, 2001 02:20 PM
Haha! There's the anarchist's crapbook for you! 90% H2O2 + glycerine = boom on contact. Unless that was how it was supossed to work, by mixing the two to make an explosion.
I would accept 905 if it was offered, I'd just be *extremely* careful with it! Imagine a 12 year old kewl kid with some 90% h2o2 - *spills it on himself* "arh shit! I'm on fire, I'm on fire!"
SafetyLast
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posted January 17, 2001 03:53 PM
not meaning to step on your toes Anthony, but he said anarchist arsenal of course I don't like either book
Anthony
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posted January 17, 2001 04:44 PM
So he did, I must have skipped to the next word as soon as I read "anarchi.."
BTW, "905" should say "90%"
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posted January 17, 2001 05:05 PM
H2O2 can be concentrated up to 60% by freezing. A good excuse for wanting higher concetrations of H2O2 is rocketry, it makes and exelent mono propellant.
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Anthony
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posted January 17, 2001 06:06 PM
I tried freezing some H2O2 once, I didn't work, the liquid poured off ddin't seem any more concentrated than what I started with. I think the difference between the freezing point of water and H2O2 is only like 1*C.
MacCleod
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posted January 17, 2001 07:27 PM
Dave harber (author of 'Anarchist Arsenal')learned the explosives trade in the Service(definitely not a KeWL BoMbeR!).He claims because this explosive has no NO2 group in it's chemical makeup,it isn't picked up by NVA detectors.This could come in very handy-if it were possible to make!
PHILOU Zrealone
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posted January 18, 2001 05:40 AM
H2O2 can exist as high as 100% but the dangerous (auto)catalytic decomposition is to be expected over 50%.
33% is already 100 Volumes. Thus 100% will be 300 Volumes.
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"Chemistry is all what stinks and explode; Physic is all what never works! ;-p :-) :o )"
Anthony
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posted January 18, 2001 05:42 AM
AP doesn't conatin any nitrogen compunds either. Sniffer dogs are trained to detect nitrogen compunds.
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posted January 18, 2001 08:22 PM
yeah it contains nitrogen, just not the nitrite polyatomic ion...
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the freshmaker
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posted January 31, 2001 10:09 AM
I have allways used 40% H202 for AP...
I never had any problems...until now
Is it dangerous to use 40% for AP?
Try to put a tablespoon KMnO4 in a bottle with a litle H202...NICE ROCKET!
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You can't survive the life!
the freshmaker
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posted January 31, 2001 10:10 AM
Im sorry, but my fucking pc can't resist shockwaves from explosions.....
[This message has been edited by the freshmaker (edited January 31, 2001).]
the freshmaker
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posted January 31, 2001 10:14 AM
sorry
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posted January 31, 2001 10:32 AM
1 time is enough
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posted January 31, 2001 02:19 PM
computer malfunction freshmaker?
this is why members should be able to delete their own posts.
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posted January 31, 2001 03:51 PM
yeah that sucks. it would make life on the forum a little easier.