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May 24th, 2003, 02:23 PM
Demolition
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posted 03-15-2001 04:22 AM
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In the production of HMTD has anyone ever thought of dissolving some Ammonium Nitrate in the solution of Hydrogen Peroxide before adding the Hexamine?If it does still crystallize after being left in the fridge overnight would the product be more stable as a result of the Ammonium Nitrate being added or would it result in an even more unstable explosive peroxide?The procedure could look something like this.
1-In a large jar pour 100mls of 6% Hydrogen Peroxide.
2-Add 1 tablespoon of Ammonium Nitrate.
3-After the Ammonium Nitrate is dissolved add 3 tablespoons of Hexamine,stir until dissolved and then leave for 30min.
4-Then add 30mls of 30%HCl,stir and sit in fridge over night.
5-Filter out crystals,wash and dry.Treat with extreme care.
I was just wondering if anyone has any ideas or advice?
Demolition
[This message has been edited by Demolition (edited March 15, 2001).]
PHILOU Zrealone
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posted 03-15-2001 11:23 AM
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Another idea would be to make dichloro aceton react with AgNO2 to get the dinitroacetone CH2NO2-CO-CH2NO2 and then to mix it with H2O2 and HCl to get a cyclotri-1,2-dinitroaceton peroxyde):
(-O-O-C(CH2NO2)2)3
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Mr Cool
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posted 03-16-2001 04:02 PM
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A nitroperoxide? That will NOT be safe!
PHILOU Zrealone
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posted 04-04-2001 04:11 AM
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Never said it would be safer than AP but the oxygen balance would be much better, the VOD also (you can expect something like 6-7km/s instead of 3-4 for AP....
DNA must be already a powerful explosive more than NM, with a better OB and a higher VOD.
As a mather of facts, if I'm right tricondensation of 1.2-dinitro aceton can lead to 1',3',5'-trinitro;2,4,6-trinitromesitylene and other polymers with higher VOD than Trinitrobenzene actually between TNB and hexanitrobenzene....
Yes nitro aldehydes and ceton have some weird reactions...
3CH2NO2-CO-CH2NO2-->3H2O + C6(NO2)3(CH2NO2)3
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From: Australia
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posted 03-15-2001 04:22 AM
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In the production of HMTD has anyone ever thought of dissolving some Ammonium Nitrate in the solution of Hydrogen Peroxide before adding the Hexamine?If it does still crystallize after being left in the fridge overnight would the product be more stable as a result of the Ammonium Nitrate being added or would it result in an even more unstable explosive peroxide?The procedure could look something like this.
1-In a large jar pour 100mls of 6% Hydrogen Peroxide.
2-Add 1 tablespoon of Ammonium Nitrate.
3-After the Ammonium Nitrate is dissolved add 3 tablespoons of Hexamine,stir until dissolved and then leave for 30min.
4-Then add 30mls of 30%HCl,stir and sit in fridge over night.
5-Filter out crystals,wash and dry.Treat with extreme care.
I was just wondering if anyone has any ideas or advice?
Demolition
[This message has been edited by Demolition (edited March 15, 2001).]
PHILOU Zrealone
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Posts: 479
From: Brussels,Belgium,Europe
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 03-15-2001 11:23 AM
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Another idea would be to make dichloro aceton react with AgNO2 to get the dinitroacetone CH2NO2-CO-CH2NO2 and then to mix it with H2O2 and HCl to get a cyclotri-1,2-dinitroaceton peroxyde):
(-O-O-C(CH2NO2)2)3
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"Life that deadly disease sexually transmitted".
"Chemistry is all what stinks and explode; Physic is all what never works! ;-p :-) :o)"
Mr Cool
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Registered: DEC 2000
posted 03-16-2001 04:02 PM
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A nitroperoxide? That will NOT be safe!
PHILOU Zrealone
Frequent Poster
Posts: 479
From: Brussels,Belgium,Europe
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 04-04-2001 04:11 AM
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Never said it would be safer than AP but the oxygen balance would be much better, the VOD also (you can expect something like 6-7km/s instead of 3-4 for AP....
DNA must be already a powerful explosive more than NM, with a better OB and a higher VOD.
As a mather of facts, if I'm right tricondensation of 1.2-dinitro aceton can lead to 1',3',5'-trinitro;2,4,6-trinitromesitylene and other polymers with higher VOD than Trinitrobenzene actually between TNB and hexanitrobenzene....
Yes nitro aldehydes and ceton have some weird reactions...
3CH2NO2-CO-CH2NO2-->3H2O + C6(NO2)3(CH2NO2)3