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Agent Blak
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posted 04-10-2001 03:07 PM
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I am interested in pick up a pellet pistol for practice and target shooting. I have found the following so fare plz let me know what you think or if you can tell me of a few other I would be thankful.
http://www.webcom.com/airguns/walther.html
http://telusplanet.net/public/aircan/products/airpistols.htm (item# 2240) I can get it locally
can anyone recconmend anything else?
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posted 04-10-2001 04:51 PM
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Um, I still say get a Brocock. I doubt you've heard of them, but they use an air cartridge, and a V. nice. Or failing that, get a crosman 1377, 6ftlb (legal limit in the UK) and it's .177. Its the only calibre to use for target shooting, but you choose what you want. Failing those, get a sheridan pro hunter .20 cal, thats supposed to be good for ratting. thats the Orion 6, very nice, or the magnum also quite nice.
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posted 04-10-2001 05:06 PM
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Might be stepping on Zabaitsu's toes here but I wouldn't go with a Brocock, they're expensive, requiring quite a bit of equipment, can be unreliable and isn't a plinking gun unless you've got like a hundred cartridges. You'd probably alos have to get it imported.
The CP-88 is supposed to be a very good pistol, downside is it's only about 2ft/lbs and the magazine ain't huge.
Might be worth looking at the new Anics Skif A-3000 - a russian gun. Good build quality, 28(!) shot magazine (pellets as well as BBs) and shoots at 4ft/lb. It's the next pistol I intend to buy but don't know what the availablity is like on your side oft he pond. Sights are fully adjustable, good accuracy.
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posted 04-10-2001 05:19 PM
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Anthony, are you the same as on forums.airsoft.org (selling a MP5K)??
Anthony
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posted 04-10-2001 06:24 PM
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Nope, tis not I
zaibatsu
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posted 04-10-2001 08:45 PM
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I still wouldn't get a revolver like the CP88, get a semi-auto like the Drulov Condor, thats a real target pistol. CO2 and only around £250. Pretty nice pistol non the less, I've had the opportunity to fire one, and its damn accurate. The reason I picked the Brococks is that they are more accurate (he said target practice) pack more of a punch for something like PPP (practical pellet pistol) (esp. brocock specialist in .22) and are just so damn realistic. If you are on a budget, these aren't for you. If, however, you want a realistic, (in terms of looks and weight) accurate (manufactured by HW) and recoilless gun, get one of these.
Being more realistic, if your price range is up to a CP88 i'd get a beretta 92fs, thats more powerful and said to be as or more accurate. Nice looking too. Or get a S&W in the 8" barrel option, hehehe. Seriously tho, if you want fast fire, CO2 or air cartridge only.
Overall, the CP88 is a nice gun, but a bit old and under powered. If you do get one, fire it with North Air CO2 pell, they'll give you more shots per CO2 powerlet. Oh, I think you get 40-50 shots per powerlet. I'd get a Beretta 92FS tho.
Oh, I've seen the CO2 gun Anthony's on about, the recent rush of Russian CO2 guns is suprising, but they are supposed to be good.
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[This message has been edited by zaibatsu (edited April 10, 2001).]
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posted 04-10-2001 10:01 PM
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Model C-225 - 6" barrel
http://www.webcom.com/airguns/rwsco2.html
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posted 04-10-2001 10:48 PM
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I saw a article on the air force talon in self reliance magazine. It looks to be one hell of an airgun. http://www.funsupply.com/airguns/talon.html http://www.webcom.com/airguns/AF_TalonSS.html
However I recall that it might be over 6ft/lb wich would just make this a teaze, and I am truly sorry.
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posted 04-11-2001 02:02 PM
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Um people in the UK will know that as the Gunpower Stealth, I think its the new model tho. Nice guns I hear, capable of, wait for it.... 600 SHOTS PER CHARGE! thats amazing, but only at 12ftlb of course. Why would it matter if it was over 6ftlb, its a rifle? I thought the limit in the US was up to like 15 or 20ftlb? Or is there a limit?
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posted 04-11-2001 05:31 PM
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I don't there is any limit for the yanks (dunno about Canada though...)
Those GunPower Stealth 2001's are pretty nice guns, maybe all the original stealths will come down in price now? I hope so.
I don't think that 6" C-225 would be a bad choice. The best place to ask would an airgun forum the guys on there have usually shot every gun on the planet between them.
Good luck with whatever you choose.
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posted 04-11-2001 05:52 PM
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America does not have a limit but i know Canada,Iceland(i believe), and some other eastern european country's have limits.
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posted 04-12-2001 12:51 AM
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if it shoots faster than 500fps you need a FAC(it is classed as a firearm).
but there are now pellets on the market called laser hawks; they increase speed by 30% I haven't used than yet will ask my buddy how he likes'em.
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posted 04-12-2001 03:28 PM
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They limit it on velocity, not energy? That's a bit dumb... There's a big difference between a .177 doing 500fps and a .25 doing 500fps. Hell you could get a rifle in .50 and kill someone at 500fps!
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posted 04-12-2001 03:45 PM
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The stealth won't come down below £250 I don't think, noticed that every PCP has a limit of £250? The falcons start at that, and some other do, i think daystate as well, ignoring the cheap single shot BSA PCP. The RWS pistol is supposed to be about as good as the walther, I've got a fastfire test in an old airgun magazine, its got fast fire tests, single shot, all of the pistols are CO2 though, but I can post the results up if anyone wants them.
Don't forget pneumatics are more accurate than CO2 due to the variations in power due to the temperature. But they are pretty good for fast fire things, but not enough power really for PPP. Although I hear they may use a viscous non-setting emulsion on the targets, so that you can see the hits without them having to knock over the targets. Can you define more clearly what you want this gun to do, and the price range?
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posted 04-10-2001 03:07 PM
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I am interested in pick up a pellet pistol for practice and target shooting. I have found the following so fare plz let me know what you think or if you can tell me of a few other I would be thankful.
http://www.webcom.com/airguns/walther.html
http://telusplanet.net/public/aircan/products/airpistols.htm (item# 2240) I can get it locally
can anyone recconmend anything else?
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zaibatsu
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posted 04-10-2001 04:51 PM
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Um, I still say get a Brocock. I doubt you've heard of them, but they use an air cartridge, and a V. nice. Or failing that, get a crosman 1377, 6ftlb (legal limit in the UK) and it's .177. Its the only calibre to use for target shooting, but you choose what you want. Failing those, get a sheridan pro hunter .20 cal, thats supposed to be good for ratting. thats the Orion 6, very nice, or the magnum also quite nice.
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Anthony
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posted 04-10-2001 05:06 PM
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Might be stepping on Zabaitsu's toes here but I wouldn't go with a Brocock, they're expensive, requiring quite a bit of equipment, can be unreliable and isn't a plinking gun unless you've got like a hundred cartridges. You'd probably alos have to get it imported.
The CP-88 is supposed to be a very good pistol, downside is it's only about 2ft/lbs and the magazine ain't huge.
Might be worth looking at the new Anics Skif A-3000 - a russian gun. Good build quality, 28(!) shot magazine (pellets as well as BBs) and shoots at 4ft/lb. It's the next pistol I intend to buy but don't know what the availablity is like on your side oft he pond. Sights are fully adjustable, good accuracy.
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posted 04-10-2001 05:19 PM
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Anthony, are you the same as on forums.airsoft.org (selling a MP5K)??
Anthony
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posted 04-10-2001 06:24 PM
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Nope, tis not I
zaibatsu
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posted 04-10-2001 08:45 PM
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I still wouldn't get a revolver like the CP88, get a semi-auto like the Drulov Condor, thats a real target pistol. CO2 and only around £250. Pretty nice pistol non the less, I've had the opportunity to fire one, and its damn accurate. The reason I picked the Brococks is that they are more accurate (he said target practice) pack more of a punch for something like PPP (practical pellet pistol) (esp. brocock specialist in .22) and are just so damn realistic. If you are on a budget, these aren't for you. If, however, you want a realistic, (in terms of looks and weight) accurate (manufactured by HW) and recoilless gun, get one of these.
Being more realistic, if your price range is up to a CP88 i'd get a beretta 92fs, thats more powerful and said to be as or more accurate. Nice looking too. Or get a S&W in the 8" barrel option, hehehe. Seriously tho, if you want fast fire, CO2 or air cartridge only.
Overall, the CP88 is a nice gun, but a bit old and under powered. If you do get one, fire it with North Air CO2 pell, they'll give you more shots per CO2 powerlet. Oh, I think you get 40-50 shots per powerlet. I'd get a Beretta 92FS tho.
Oh, I've seen the CO2 gun Anthony's on about, the recent rush of Russian CO2 guns is suprising, but they are supposed to be good.
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[This message has been edited by zaibatsu (edited April 10, 2001).]
Agent Blak
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posted 04-10-2001 10:01 PM
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Model C-225 - 6" barrel
http://www.webcom.com/airguns/rwsco2.html
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posted 04-10-2001 10:48 PM
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I saw a article on the air force talon in self reliance magazine. It looks to be one hell of an airgun. http://www.funsupply.com/airguns/talon.html http://www.webcom.com/airguns/AF_TalonSS.html
However I recall that it might be over 6ft/lb wich would just make this a teaze, and I am truly sorry.
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zaibatsu
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posted 04-11-2001 02:02 PM
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Um people in the UK will know that as the Gunpower Stealth, I think its the new model tho. Nice guns I hear, capable of, wait for it.... 600 SHOTS PER CHARGE! thats amazing, but only at 12ftlb of course. Why would it matter if it was over 6ftlb, its a rifle? I thought the limit in the US was up to like 15 or 20ftlb? Or is there a limit?
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Anthony
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posted 04-11-2001 05:31 PM
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I don't there is any limit for the yanks (dunno about Canada though...)
Those GunPower Stealth 2001's are pretty nice guns, maybe all the original stealths will come down in price now? I hope so.
I don't think that 6" C-225 would be a bad choice. The best place to ask would an airgun forum the guys on there have usually shot every gun on the planet between them.
Good luck with whatever you choose.
Pyro
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posted 04-11-2001 05:52 PM
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America does not have a limit but i know Canada,Iceland(i believe), and some other eastern european country's have limits.
Agent Blak
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posted 04-12-2001 12:51 AM
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if it shoots faster than 500fps you need a FAC(it is classed as a firearm).
but there are now pellets on the market called laser hawks; they increase speed by 30% I haven't used than yet will ask my buddy how he likes'em.
------------------
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"...There Will Be No
Stand Off At High Noon
... Shoot'em In The Back
And, Shoot'em In The Dark"
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Anthony
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posted 04-12-2001 03:28 PM
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They limit it on velocity, not energy? That's a bit dumb... There's a big difference between a .177 doing 500fps and a .25 doing 500fps. Hell you could get a rifle in .50 and kill someone at 500fps!
zaibatsu
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posted 04-12-2001 03:45 PM
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The stealth won't come down below £250 I don't think, noticed that every PCP has a limit of £250? The falcons start at that, and some other do, i think daystate as well, ignoring the cheap single shot BSA PCP. The RWS pistol is supposed to be about as good as the walther, I've got a fastfire test in an old airgun magazine, its got fast fire tests, single shot, all of the pistols are CO2 though, but I can post the results up if anyone wants them.
Don't forget pneumatics are more accurate than CO2 due to the variations in power due to the temperature. But they are pretty good for fast fire things, but not enough power really for PPP. Although I hear they may use a viscous non-setting emulsion on the targets, so that you can see the hits without them having to knock over the targets. Can you define more clearly what you want this gun to do, and the price range?