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June 14th, 2003, 08:52 PM
SofaKing
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posted 04-18-2001 07:31 PM
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I've been trying to figure out how to open the coin box on payphones with destroying them. It seems to me that is you can reliably get the money out then, you could get lots of money (200-500$)by going to a few phones. One thing that I already know is that a t-key is required, but I think that another is also needed and I don't know if it's universal. Could the locks be picked ? I'm thinking that between 20-50$ based on the size of the box, is that acurate ? Any info would be great ?
The reason I like this Idea so much is the ease, low risk and void of voilence. Are there any other ways similar to getting money.
I only want to know for the theorectical aspect of it.
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Pyro
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posted 04-18-2001 08:46 PM
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Well, I have heard of a thing called a "red box" and the way it {theoretically} works is by unscrewing the speaker that you speak into and playing a recording of the internet(preferably an older computer).I know this is from the A-crapbook and the only reason I post this is because I have heard accounts from phreakers of this working.I'm am not sure though, I guess it's worth a try,eh?-Pyro
PYRO500
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posted 04-18-2001 09:47 PM
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the boxes are incredibly old and absolutely positivley not work in the us, I have herd rumors about them working in mexico in some desolate towns but I doubt it, anything regarding a green box is shit too as by the time anyone figured out how to use one they didnt work anymore. now about the only way to phreak the phone lines in to go to a central office (a metal box that controls phones ther's one about every 5 miles or 300 people(sometimes more or less) I think after you get a "T" key there may be a drawer box or another simpler box and a weaker non armored shell
Anthony
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posted 04-18-2001 10:12 PM
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There was a TV program here in the UK about stealing from pay phones.
It had people on camera breaking into the phones, I think you have to get the door open and then there's a removable (probably locked)cash box inside. So guy used a "modified car jack" (scissor type) to pry the door open, it took a long time and he ended up jumping on the jack to finally get the phone open. It was late at night and the guy pretended to be making a call whenever a car came past. Shame the twat didn't realise he was on camera (face not covered and illuminated perfectly by the light in the phone box).
A better organsied guy drove upto and parked next to a phone box at the edge of a road, got out, opened the rear car door opposite the phone walked in the phone box and then there was a massive blinding light from inside the phone box - yup, oxy-acetylene he was gone in under 2 minutes (from originally getting out of the car). He had the tanks in the back of the car and just took the torch into the phone box. CCTV camera didn't get his face since it was too dark outside the phone box and the oxy-acetylene torch blinded it. I think he also had his face covered.
The phone company seems pretty wise to how vulnerable phone boxes are they have their own police force that checks up on them. If you keep hitting a phone box they will stake it out and catch you.
Something popular with kids was "blocking". They jammed the coin return flap up so that any change given collected on top of the flap so people couldn't get it. They then just unjammed the flap and all the money fell out. They wouldn't say exactly how they did it but it's hardly rocket science. You don't get so much money but it's quick, easy and doesn't look suspicious. The kids got caught though because they did it around london, everyday they'd ride the tube around the city collecting the money from all the phones at every station and then reblocking them. Far too predictable for the group of wannabe-cops running around in plain cloth "disguises" co-ordinating with mobile phones. I think it's less of a crime though as you're not actually stealing from the phone company (the money isn't theirs) and you're also not physically damaging the phone, although you are interupting its intended function.
With the amount if CCTV cameras in urban areas nowadays, phone boxes are pretty well covered. So you'd want to find one out in the middle of nowhere, but then you haven't got much of a resource to loot.
Quickest (and most original) method would probably to blast the door off. Go into the box, place the charge, light the fuse, duck out side, bang, run in, grab the cash box and leg it. First suspicious sign would be the bang and the time after that till when you're gone is only a few seconds.
BoB-
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posted 04-18-2001 11:51 PM
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We used to jam a rag up coin return slots, then, at the end of the day just take it out and you've got enough for some food. Nice, illegal way to treat yourself to some burritos when your broke.
I miss the good old days, when a quarter with wire attached to it could get you all the free drinks you wanted, ....good times.
Crux
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posted 04-19-2001 03:09 AM
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when i 1st leard of the jaming the coin slot up and did it, when i injamed the phonne the was so much $$ inside that the slot i lifted up and jambed got stuck, so the next time i was more carefull and got over $30, this when on for a few weeks untill people started to figure is out then evey one was doing it and you were lucky to get $2 from the phone
Bandit
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posted 04-19-2001 08:37 AM
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Boxing still works in the uk, but if you are going to unlock them some of the new ones ring up the operator and tells them its unlockes.
Bandit
J
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posted 04-19-2001 01:40 PM
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I also saw the program with the Oxy-Acetalene torch, I think it was a gang of 3 people and they hit quite a few boxes.
Some boxing does still work in the UK apparently. You have to use a little social engineering as well as some recorded tones. This site has all the details: http://www.p0wm.cjb.net/
J
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Donutty
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posted 04-19-2001 04:10 PM
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The closest I've got was making a few free calls with a special technique...worked for the first few times but when I went back to the box later, the engineers had obviously disabled it.
SofaKing
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posted 04-19-2001 06:02 PM
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I heard that red boxing (generating the tones for coins) still works in the uS. I hate to be an ass but I did say without destroying the phone, I don't care too much just keep it in mind. As far as the jaming method goes I not to keen on screwing real people, but it still won't get the whole amount out of the phone. If you can do it with out damage there would be the possibllity of doing it again, by rotating the phone you do it to this could go on for a bit. Ohh and thanks !
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JB
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posted 04-28-2001 07:53 AM
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I had a dream that a few months back my friend wanted to try one of my pure sodium chlorate explosives on a phone box just to grab a bit of money. I dont know why but I let him, and using a 6" scafold pipe explosive, it was placed on the phone book rest, net to the phone, the fuse lit, and we drove off down the road. The area was checked for people first, but nobody was to be seen. Very soon after came an almighty bang. We came back in the car to find the whole phone booth had been blown to pieces - it looked like a car had been dropped from a great height onto it!! It was removed the next day, and not replaced since. I do not approve of this at all, but we did find that the cash is actually stored inside a box within the phone, and doesnt drop down to a container lower down in the phone booth, as to popular belief. After all this, no money was retrieved.
Mick
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posted 04-28-2001 10:35 AM
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the new phone boxxes in OZ are fucked, because there so small, they don't hold very much money
i found one once(as the saying goes "it fell of the back of a truck" ) and the most i most money i could get it to hold was $20.
which, if you ask me, isn't enough money to justify the time and effort that goes into getting the fuckers open
the orginal phone in OZ held around $50 in coins - and the cash draws were made from cast iron,
so to get into the case draw all you needed was a hard blow with a sharp object to front of them and you were in
on the topic of taking money from public machines,
does anyone know how the ticket machines on train stations(in australia) varify the note money? (like $5 notes etc...)
like how does the machine know that you inserted a $5 note?
c0deblue
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posted 04-28-2001 01:09 PM
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An article in the local paper a few months ago reported the conviction of two women who had been getting free money from the change-making machine at a do-it-yourself car wash. The machine happily accepted photocopies of $1 bills and dished out four quarters in return.
Really small time scam to be sure, and the women got caught because they kept doing it day after day when they should have known the car-wash owner had staked the place out after discovering all the photocopies.
The hundred or so bucks this intellectually challenged duo made during their week-long "crime spree" wasn't even enough to keep them in cigarettes during the one-year jail sentences they received. All is not lost though - maybe they'll write a "how to" manual and really clean up marketing it on the internet.
mark
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posted 05-03-2001 03:27 PM
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Does that trick work?
I also once read that if you bent a dollar a certain way, it would convince the change machine that a dollar had entered, but it would give the dollar back. Anyone done that?
BoB-
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posted 05-03-2001 10:50 PM
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The newest designs of Coke machines are fucking armor plated computers, they do have alarms, they are sounded when a dollar bill is forcefully removed, or there is tampering with the money box.
ssblood
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posted 05-04-2001 04:01 AM
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Redboxes do work. I have done it on Verizon payphones and have still not had a problem. They are very cheap to make, I bought the tone dialer for 4.99 at Radio Shack and got the crystal cod from Mouser Electronics. Takes 15 minutes to solder if you know what you are doing.
SofaKing
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posted 05-06-2001 02:05 AM
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Does the alarm on the coke machine work if it's unplugged . If so that's a lot of technology in a coke machine, must make tons of money.
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posted 04-18-2001 07:31 PM
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I've been trying to figure out how to open the coin box on payphones with destroying them. It seems to me that is you can reliably get the money out then, you could get lots of money (200-500$)by going to a few phones. One thing that I already know is that a t-key is required, but I think that another is also needed and I don't know if it's universal. Could the locks be picked ? I'm thinking that between 20-50$ based on the size of the box, is that acurate ? Any info would be great ?
The reason I like this Idea so much is the ease, low risk and void of voilence. Are there any other ways similar to getting money.
I only want to know for the theorectical aspect of it.
------------------
With Knowledge we find Truth - With Truth we find Freedom
Pyro
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Posts: 104
From: Danbury,CT,U.S.A
Registered: MAR 2001
posted 04-18-2001 08:46 PM
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Well, I have heard of a thing called a "red box" and the way it {theoretically} works is by unscrewing the speaker that you speak into and playing a recording of the internet(preferably an older computer).I know this is from the A-crapbook and the only reason I post this is because I have heard accounts from phreakers of this working.I'm am not sure though, I guess it's worth a try,eh?-Pyro
PYRO500
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Posts: 1465
From: somewhere in florida
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 04-18-2001 09:47 PM
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the boxes are incredibly old and absolutely positivley not work in the us, I have herd rumors about them working in mexico in some desolate towns but I doubt it, anything regarding a green box is shit too as by the time anyone figured out how to use one they didnt work anymore. now about the only way to phreak the phone lines in to go to a central office (a metal box that controls phones ther's one about every 5 miles or 300 people(sometimes more or less) I think after you get a "T" key there may be a drawer box or another simpler box and a weaker non armored shell
Anthony
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Posts: 2306
From: England
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 04-18-2001 10:12 PM
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There was a TV program here in the UK about stealing from pay phones.
It had people on camera breaking into the phones, I think you have to get the door open and then there's a removable (probably locked)cash box inside. So guy used a "modified car jack" (scissor type) to pry the door open, it took a long time and he ended up jumping on the jack to finally get the phone open. It was late at night and the guy pretended to be making a call whenever a car came past. Shame the twat didn't realise he was on camera (face not covered and illuminated perfectly by the light in the phone box).
A better organsied guy drove upto and parked next to a phone box at the edge of a road, got out, opened the rear car door opposite the phone walked in the phone box and then there was a massive blinding light from inside the phone box - yup, oxy-acetylene he was gone in under 2 minutes (from originally getting out of the car). He had the tanks in the back of the car and just took the torch into the phone box. CCTV camera didn't get his face since it was too dark outside the phone box and the oxy-acetylene torch blinded it. I think he also had his face covered.
The phone company seems pretty wise to how vulnerable phone boxes are they have their own police force that checks up on them. If you keep hitting a phone box they will stake it out and catch you.
Something popular with kids was "blocking". They jammed the coin return flap up so that any change given collected on top of the flap so people couldn't get it. They then just unjammed the flap and all the money fell out. They wouldn't say exactly how they did it but it's hardly rocket science. You don't get so much money but it's quick, easy and doesn't look suspicious. The kids got caught though because they did it around london, everyday they'd ride the tube around the city collecting the money from all the phones at every station and then reblocking them. Far too predictable for the group of wannabe-cops running around in plain cloth "disguises" co-ordinating with mobile phones. I think it's less of a crime though as you're not actually stealing from the phone company (the money isn't theirs) and you're also not physically damaging the phone, although you are interupting its intended function.
With the amount if CCTV cameras in urban areas nowadays, phone boxes are pretty well covered. So you'd want to find one out in the middle of nowhere, but then you haven't got much of a resource to loot.
Quickest (and most original) method would probably to blast the door off. Go into the box, place the charge, light the fuse, duck out side, bang, run in, grab the cash box and leg it. First suspicious sign would be the bang and the time after that till when you're gone is only a few seconds.
BoB-
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posted 04-18-2001 11:51 PM
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We used to jam a rag up coin return slots, then, at the end of the day just take it out and you've got enough for some food. Nice, illegal way to treat yourself to some burritos when your broke.
I miss the good old days, when a quarter with wire attached to it could get you all the free drinks you wanted, ....good times.
Crux
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Posts: 71
From: australia
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 04-19-2001 03:09 AM
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when i 1st leard of the jaming the coin slot up and did it, when i injamed the phonne the was so much $$ inside that the slot i lifted up and jambed got stuck, so the next time i was more carefull and got over $30, this when on for a few weeks untill people started to figure is out then evey one was doing it and you were lucky to get $2 from the phone
Bandit
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From: U.K.
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 04-19-2001 08:37 AM
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Boxing still works in the uk, but if you are going to unlock them some of the new ones ring up the operator and tells them its unlockes.
Bandit
J
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From: United Kingdom
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 04-19-2001 01:40 PM
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I also saw the program with the Oxy-Acetalene torch, I think it was a gang of 3 people and they hit quite a few boxes.
Some boxing does still work in the UK apparently. You have to use a little social engineering as well as some recorded tones. This site has all the details: http://www.p0wm.cjb.net/
J
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"If the aquarium water has to be drunk don't waste the fish. In fact they'll probably be the easiest to eat even if you don't need the water. The cat is next in the pot." - John 'Lofty' Wiseman
Donutty
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posted 04-19-2001 04:10 PM
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The closest I've got was making a few free calls with a special technique...worked for the first few times but when I went back to the box later, the engineers had obviously disabled it.
SofaKing
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Posts: 399
From: YEAH RIGHT !!
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 04-19-2001 06:02 PM
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I heard that red boxing (generating the tones for coins) still works in the uS. I hate to be an ass but I did say without destroying the phone, I don't care too much just keep it in mind. As far as the jaming method goes I not to keen on screwing real people, but it still won't get the whole amount out of the phone. If you can do it with out damage there would be the possibllity of doing it again, by rotating the phone you do it to this could go on for a bit. Ohh and thanks !
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With Knowledge we find Truth - With Truth we find Freedom
JB
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Posts: 27
From: UK
Registered: MAR 2001
posted 04-28-2001 07:53 AM
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I had a dream that a few months back my friend wanted to try one of my pure sodium chlorate explosives on a phone box just to grab a bit of money. I dont know why but I let him, and using a 6" scafold pipe explosive, it was placed on the phone book rest, net to the phone, the fuse lit, and we drove off down the road. The area was checked for people first, but nobody was to be seen. Very soon after came an almighty bang. We came back in the car to find the whole phone booth had been blown to pieces - it looked like a car had been dropped from a great height onto it!! It was removed the next day, and not replaced since. I do not approve of this at all, but we did find that the cash is actually stored inside a box within the phone, and doesnt drop down to a container lower down in the phone booth, as to popular belief. After all this, no money was retrieved.
Mick
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Posts: 232
From:
Registered: OCT 2000
posted 04-28-2001 10:35 AM
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the new phone boxxes in OZ are fucked, because there so small, they don't hold very much money
i found one once(as the saying goes "it fell of the back of a truck" ) and the most i most money i could get it to hold was $20.
which, if you ask me, isn't enough money to justify the time and effort that goes into getting the fuckers open
the orginal phone in OZ held around $50 in coins - and the cash draws were made from cast iron,
so to get into the case draw all you needed was a hard blow with a sharp object to front of them and you were in
on the topic of taking money from public machines,
does anyone know how the ticket machines on train stations(in australia) varify the note money? (like $5 notes etc...)
like how does the machine know that you inserted a $5 note?
c0deblue
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Posts: 229
From:
Registered: JAN 2001
posted 04-28-2001 01:09 PM
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An article in the local paper a few months ago reported the conviction of two women who had been getting free money from the change-making machine at a do-it-yourself car wash. The machine happily accepted photocopies of $1 bills and dished out four quarters in return.
Really small time scam to be sure, and the women got caught because they kept doing it day after day when they should have known the car-wash owner had staked the place out after discovering all the photocopies.
The hundred or so bucks this intellectually challenged duo made during their week-long "crime spree" wasn't even enough to keep them in cigarettes during the one-year jail sentences they received. All is not lost though - maybe they'll write a "how to" manual and really clean up marketing it on the internet.
mark
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Posts: 195
From:
Registered: OCT 2000
posted 05-03-2001 03:27 PM
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Does that trick work?
I also once read that if you bent a dollar a certain way, it would convince the change machine that a dollar had entered, but it would give the dollar back. Anyone done that?
BoB-
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From:
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 05-03-2001 10:50 PM
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The newest designs of Coke machines are fucking armor plated computers, they do have alarms, they are sounded when a dollar bill is forcefully removed, or there is tampering with the money box.
ssblood
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posted 05-04-2001 04:01 AM
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Redboxes do work. I have done it on Verizon payphones and have still not had a problem. They are very cheap to make, I bought the tone dialer for 4.99 at Radio Shack and got the crystal cod from Mouser Electronics. Takes 15 minutes to solder if you know what you are doing.
SofaKing
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From: YEAH RIGHT !!
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 05-06-2001 02:05 AM
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Does the alarm on the coke machine work if it's unplugged . If so that's a lot of technology in a coke machine, must make tons of money.