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June 21st, 2003, 12:29 PM
krimmie
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posted 06-29-2001 10:48 PM
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I dreamt that a local nursery sold a 50lb. bag of this stuff for $20.00. Sorry if this subject goes into the misc. section. The guaranteed analysis states...........
Total nitogen....................13%
Nitrate nitrogen 13%
Soluble Potash as (K2O).........44%
Chorine, not more than............2%
I remember dreaming that this stuff(once ground with a blender) was a little off color than the stuff I had purchased on the net. But, it did react well with sugar, and even better with charcoal and S. I have searched the archives and couldn't find anything on this basic Q.
Did I dream of the correct stuff? Sorry if this is too basic of a Question for you all.
c0deblue
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posted 06-30-2001 02:24 AM
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I think you're right - this probably does belong in Miscellaneous.
That said ... Commercial KNO3 fertilizer normally carries the designation 14-0-45. The 13-0-44 specification of your product isn't that far off, but it indicates a product somewhat different from the usual KNO3 fertilizer. Also, the "not greater than 2% chlorine" seems unusual IMO. It shouldn't give trouble in ordinary mixtures, but a chlorine content as high as 2% might present a problem with certain compositions.
The following specifications might be useful:
Potassium Nitrate (Fertilizer) 97.5%Min. Specification: KNO3 97.5%Min. N 13.5%Min. K2O 45.4%Min. NaCl 0.8%Max. Packing: In 25Kgs net plastic woven bag with plastic lining
Potassium Nitrate (Industrial Grade) 99.8%Min. Specification: Purity: 99.8%Min. Moisture: 0.10%Max. Chloride: 0.03%Max. Insoluble Matter in Water 0.01%Max. Sulphate: 0.01%Max. Moisture Absorption 0.25%Max.
For an interesting analytic study of the differences between reagent grades and fertilizer grades of ammonium and potassium nitrates, see: http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~chem3037/pdf/white3.pdf
A more practical comparison from a pyro perspective is at Richard Nakka's site: http://members.aol.com/nonillion/kn-exp.html
[This message has been edited by c0deblue (edited June 30, 2001).]
SATANIC
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posted 07-02-2001 12:05 AM
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what compositions should be avoided?
PYRO500
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posted 07-02-2001 01:46 AM
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I'll leave this in the low explosives section since it involves making gunpowder.
what country do you live if you dont mind me asking. I am looking for KNO3 in the US.
10fingers
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posted 07-02-2001 09:34 AM
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Look in the yellow pages under hydroponics or greenhouse suppliers. They usually have 50 lb. bags for around $20.00.
Alchemist
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posted 07-02-2001 03:07 PM
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Hello all,
Does anyone know the numbering system for all usable fertillizers, like Ammonium Nitrate, Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, etc. & etc.?
Thanks.......................................
jin
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posted 07-02-2001 07:52 PM
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i think its n/p/k
nitrogen /phosphorus /potasssium by percentage
[This message has been edited by jin (edited July 02, 2001).]
c0deblue
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posted 07-02-2001 08:16 PM
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Alchemist - Here are a couple of tables:
http://agguide.agronomy.psu.edu/sect2/tab2-13.htm
and
http://www.anet.com/~manytimes/page24.htm (scroll down to Section IX-F "Inorganics"
krimmie
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From: S. Fla.
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posted 07-03-2001 05:46 AM
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Thanks all for the links and info. As you stated cO, it is a little off(being 13-0-44), but has worked quite well! There is virtually no drop off of burn rate compared to the kno3 I purchased on the net. My analysis, so far, supports Richard Nakka's comparisons on kno3 burn rates.
J
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posted 07-03-2001 08:25 AM
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It might have KCl added. KCl is sometimes sold as a fertilizer on its own. I doubt this will matter, 2% impurity is very low for pyro purposes.
New Member
Posts: 28
From: S. Fla.
Registered: JUN 2001
posted 06-29-2001 10:48 PM
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I dreamt that a local nursery sold a 50lb. bag of this stuff for $20.00. Sorry if this subject goes into the misc. section. The guaranteed analysis states...........
Total nitogen....................13%
Nitrate nitrogen 13%
Soluble Potash as (K2O).........44%
Chorine, not more than............2%
I remember dreaming that this stuff(once ground with a blender) was a little off color than the stuff I had purchased on the net. But, it did react well with sugar, and even better with charcoal and S. I have searched the archives and couldn't find anything on this basic Q.
Did I dream of the correct stuff? Sorry if this is too basic of a Question for you all.
c0deblue
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Posts: 229
From:
Registered: JAN 2001
posted 06-30-2001 02:24 AM
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I think you're right - this probably does belong in Miscellaneous.
That said ... Commercial KNO3 fertilizer normally carries the designation 14-0-45. The 13-0-44 specification of your product isn't that far off, but it indicates a product somewhat different from the usual KNO3 fertilizer. Also, the "not greater than 2% chlorine" seems unusual IMO. It shouldn't give trouble in ordinary mixtures, but a chlorine content as high as 2% might present a problem with certain compositions.
The following specifications might be useful:
Potassium Nitrate (Fertilizer) 97.5%Min. Specification: KNO3 97.5%Min. N 13.5%Min. K2O 45.4%Min. NaCl 0.8%Max. Packing: In 25Kgs net plastic woven bag with plastic lining
Potassium Nitrate (Industrial Grade) 99.8%Min. Specification: Purity: 99.8%Min. Moisture: 0.10%Max. Chloride: 0.03%Max. Insoluble Matter in Water 0.01%Max. Sulphate: 0.01%Max. Moisture Absorption 0.25%Max.
For an interesting analytic study of the differences between reagent grades and fertilizer grades of ammonium and potassium nitrates, see: http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~chem3037/pdf/white3.pdf
A more practical comparison from a pyro perspective is at Richard Nakka's site: http://members.aol.com/nonillion/kn-exp.html
[This message has been edited by c0deblue (edited June 30, 2001).]
SATANIC
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posted 07-02-2001 12:05 AM
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what compositions should be avoided?
PYRO500
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From: somewhere in florida
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 07-02-2001 01:46 AM
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I'll leave this in the low explosives section since it involves making gunpowder.
what country do you live if you dont mind me asking. I am looking for KNO3 in the US.
10fingers
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Posts: 415
From: USA
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 07-02-2001 09:34 AM
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Look in the yellow pages under hydroponics or greenhouse suppliers. They usually have 50 lb. bags for around $20.00.
Alchemist
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Posts: 211
From: Woodland hills,Ca.,L.A.
Registered: NOV 2000
posted 07-02-2001 03:07 PM
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Hello all,
Does anyone know the numbering system for all usable fertillizers, like Ammonium Nitrate, Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, etc. & etc.?
Thanks.......................................
jin
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Posts: 113
From: uk
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 07-02-2001 07:52 PM
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i think its n/p/k
nitrogen /phosphorus /potasssium by percentage
[This message has been edited by jin (edited July 02, 2001).]
c0deblue
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posted 07-02-2001 08:16 PM
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Alchemist - Here are a couple of tables:
http://agguide.agronomy.psu.edu/sect2/tab2-13.htm
and
http://www.anet.com/~manytimes/page24.htm (scroll down to Section IX-F "Inorganics"
krimmie
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Posts: 28
From: S. Fla.
Registered: JUN 2001
posted 07-03-2001 05:46 AM
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Thanks all for the links and info. As you stated cO, it is a little off(being 13-0-44), but has worked quite well! There is virtually no drop off of burn rate compared to the kno3 I purchased on the net. My analysis, so far, supports Richard Nakka's comparisons on kno3 burn rates.
J
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Posts: 635
From: United Kingdom
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 07-03-2001 08:25 AM
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It might have KCl added. KCl is sometimes sold as a fertilizer on its own. I doubt this will matter, 2% impurity is very low for pyro purposes.