ATF updates its list of regulated explosives...

[megalomania]

It seems that despite a regulatory requirement for the BATF to publish a revised list of regulated explosive materials every year, thay have lagged for the past 3 years. Now they have updated their newest list of naughties, and right at the top in no uncertain terms is some of your favorites.
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In the 2002 List of Explosive Materials, ATF has added five terms to the list of explosives, has further defined two explosive materials, and has made amendments to two explosive materials to more accurately reference these materials.

The five additions to the list are as follows:
1. Azide explosives
2. HMTD [hexamethylenetriperoxidediamine]
3. Nitrate explosive mixtures
4. Picrate explosives
5. TATP [triacetonetriperoxide]

We have added these explosive materials to the List because their primary or common purpose is to function by explosion. ATF has encountered the criminal use of some of these materials in improvised devices. ``Nitrate explosive mixtures'' is intended to be an all-encompassing term, including all forms of sodium, potassium, barium, calcium, and strontium nitrate explosive mixtures.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">See for yourself at (www.)atf.treas.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/listofexp.htm sans the ()

Well, I always assumed that acetone peroxide and HMTD were regulated, so I checked, and they were not. Fortunatly everyone here already has their permits in order for the year, right?

[pyromaniac_guy]

Mega,
Does it really matter if the favorites get included on the list?

From: TITLE 18 &gt; PART I &gt; CHAPTER 40 &gt; Sec. 844.

For the purposes of subsections (d), (e), (f), (g), (h), and (i) of this section and section 842(p), the term ''explosive'' means gunpowders, powders used for blasting, all forms of high explosives, blasting materials, fuzes (other than electric circuit breakers), detonators, and other detonating agents, smokeless powders, other explosive or incendiary devices within the meaning of paragraph (5) of section 232 of this title, and any chemical compounds, mechanical mixture, or device that contains any oxidizing and combustible units, or other ingredients, in such proportions, quantities, or packing that ignition by fire, by friction, by concussion, by percussion, or by detonation of the compound, mixture, or device or any part thereof may cause an explosion.

by a laughably strict interpretation of the above a 2L soda bottle filled with water and dry ice is the same thing as a stockpile of HNIW... Just because the 'favorites' werent on the list doesnt mean they were ever illegal. if the compound can cause an explosion, it's illegal...

[Flake2m]

Just remember there is all ways a way to get around. There is bound to be a loophole in that section of the law. If you find a loophole exploit it until they close it.

[Anthony]

Is anyone going to mail them and correct them on TATP supposed to be CTAP? :D

[MrSamosa]

Well, they don't have DDNP listed <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> . I don't feel like going through their whole list of banned toys right now, so correct me if I'm wrong. Even so, I'm sure there are PLENTY of other explosive peroxides we can synthesize and play with.

[stanfield]

heu...... I think I didn't understood what's this list is...
Could you explain to me ? Sorry, I live in Europe so, we haven't any list...

see ya !

[megalomania]

The US government has laws regulating certain explosive materials. I always considered the explosives list to be like the drug list, meaning there are things that you can legally do with explosives when they are not on the list. Remember GHB? Before it was on the drug list you could make it, transport it, posess it, even use it. The only thing you could not do legally was sell it. The same applies to explosives in a similar manner.

If you made acetone peroxide, posessed it, even detonated it, the law didn't have the same teeth to get you as if this substance was regulated. If you run afoul of a regulated material they can get you on more criminal charges. For the liscened explosives experimenter, this substance carried less restriction.

I use the explosives list as a kind of guidebook to important explosives of commerce and usefulness. Basicially I assume if an explosive is on the list, it must have some superior quality that makes it a good explosive. These explosives are therefore worthy of my attention. There are many thousands of explosives, but all the best always wind up on the list.

This spring I used the list as a starting point to do a literature search for all the explosives I do not have on my website. Now I have synthesis references for 9 out of 10 of all the explosivs on the list. Thanks to the list I know where to start looking for good explosives.

[pyromaniac_guy]

Mega,
You better watch it if thats your rational and or excuse to uses if you ever get caught. The 'list' has the wording to include any and all compounds deffined as an explosive in section 844, and thats worded so loosly that eating pork and beans for 3 nights in a row could result in your ass being considered a destructive device!

[Fl4PP4W0k]

Hrm...
I live in Australia, so this doesnt affect me.
BUT!!

This is obviously a knee-jerk reaction to the recent spate of terrorism in the east, and fear that they may start to occur in the US.
TCAP is well know as a popular terrorist explosive due to its simple manufacture and high power...
Do the government REALLY think that passing new laws to regulate these compounds will impact upon probable terrorist attacks?

If they do, then its quite laughable.
The only people inconvenienced by these new restrictions are experimenters\researchers such as appear on this forum.

A 'terrorist' wont give a rats ass whether the explosives they are making are illegal. If your planning on running into a restaurant and blowing urself into chunky jiblets, then the legallity of the explosive is probably the LAST thing on ur mind.

I am interested to find out, If anyone here has been subject to - or knows of - an instance where an explosives experimenter has had there lab\house searched for illegal materials. Before or after 9\11.

Ill have a little looksee in the Australian laws, to see how we are in relation to the US.
Im pretty sure our laws are more lax, but its only a matter of time before Johnny follows Dubya..

l8r peeps,
rob

[S. Toppholzer]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> Do the government REALLY think that passing new laws to regulate these compounds will impact upon probable terrorist attacks? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Nope. But with such laws they can fuck you over much worse if you ever got caught.

[inferno]

Fl4pp4w0k, im not 100% sure but id say anything that explodes here is illegal. By just making "explosive compounds or mixtures" illegal means that anything explosive is illegal. They dont have to define all illegal chemicals etc.

I could be totally wrong but if you think the police can catch you with 100 grams of HNIW and its not specifically listed as illegal theyre not going to do anything, youre wrong. And if youre caught actually detonating it, they could get you for noise pollution, destruction of public/crown property, wreckless behaviour sorts of things...

[Magas]

Try looking in the state Dangerous goods Acts. Everything is illegal unless you have a licence. If they don't get you with one act they surely get you on another. Ie Poor Mans James Bond can be confiscated under the Federal Customs Act reason "Not in the Public Interest" Thats why little Jonny banned semi Autos so the crooks wont use them. HE HE

[Fl4PP4W0k]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Poor Mans James Bond can be confiscated under the Federal Customs Act reason "Not in the Public Interest"</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">lmfao... Can you say Fascism :p
Who decides what is 'Public Interest'?

*takes deep breath*
Please dont get me started on how the laws here are totally fucked over.

Well.... The only good laws here are:
a) Drinking age is 18
b) Posession of &lt;22g of Marijuana is a demeanor = no permanent record. Just a fine.

yeah... thats all
/me cries

Welcome to the Fascist State of Australia.
*shudder*

[inferno]

Hahaha fl4pp4 yeah laws here are pretty fucked...the "Child Protection Act" is what made fireworks illegal back in '65/'66. A lot of the laws are just too conservative...

Theres so much to write on the topic im not even going to bother, but many laws and acts can be found at <a href="http://www.austlii.edu.au" target="_blank">www.austlii.edu.au</a>

[spydamonkee]

yea i got busted by thew cops back in the days for "possessing explosives"
all they found was a can of high speed rifle powder, some steel pipes & a 8 shot repeatair slug pistol with laser glass sight worth 300$nz
all of it got confiscated and i had to do 20 hours comunity service :(

ill upload some photos of some stuff lata on

so i think i must be on a certain list incase any "big bangs" go off in my town :/ , me a good boy now though :p

the reason i got searched was because of the nosy people i was living with @ the time went thru my stuff and freaked like the "pansy arsed brainwashed fools" they are and called the cops

this was like 3 years ago or more

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Rather than pumping up your post count with another post 2 minutes later, why don't you just edit your existing post to include this? Lazy people get deleted rather quickly here. :mad: NBK2000

*** ok sowwie :rolleyes:

<small>[ July 17, 2002, 03:18 AM: Message edited by: spydamonkee ]</small>