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posted January 01, 2001 09:06 PM
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people have been talking about the great increase in yield from 3% H2O2 to 27%...
i didn't think it would be that much untill i did a bit of an experiment...

as you can see below, the increase in amount between the mound on the left (ap with 3% H2O2) and the mound on the right (ap with 6% H2O2)..

both these amounts were made by mixing 200ml peroxide (3% or 6%), with 150ml acetone and then slowly adding 50ml HCl(30%) while mixing with a glass rod...



both these amounts are about 2 cm high.
the ap crystals on the left are large like sugar, but the ones on the right are small like oregano...
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if i were to mix it a different way, would i get a higher increase in the amount with 3% peroxide...

i use the 3% because i aah.. 'borrow it' from a supermarket.
but the 6% sets me back AU$9.50 for 200ml and i can't steal it because its behind the counter

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i can't wait untill i get some 27% peroxide

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posted January 01, 2001 11:03 PM
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your using equal amounts of 3% and 6%?
i think the difference in yield with 3% versus 6% is quite predictable. however, i was wondering, is there a significant difference in yield if one uses twice as much 3% as 6?

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posted January 02, 2001 01:31 AM
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I was tired and boared so I uploaded it to my geocities account
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it seems geocities is a good place for a sight...
oh and thanks PYRO500

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posted January 02, 2001 12:52 PM
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The difference in yeild is because you used different amounts of H2O2 !
200ml @ 3% = 6ml H2O2
200ml @ 6% = 12ml H2O2

So there's no diference in yeild for the H202 used.


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posted January 02, 2001 03:28 PM
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Yeah, SofaKing is right...
But as we see this little experiment, it seems to be clear that the recipe from Makeshift Arsenal isn't the best mix you could make...
But what about the stability of the ap?
It would be logical if there is no difference, but i would be interested if anyone got stability problems when using 6% H2O2...
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posted January 03, 2001 03:04 AM
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there seems to be a difference between the ap...
with the 3% ap, when lit it flashes and it sounds like a bang...

but with the 6% ap, when lit it flames and it sounds like a fwoosh...

so there is a difference in the stability

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posted January 03, 2001 04:34 AM
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Holy shit.... that is some yield. So your saying that the yield on the right was made using 6% H202. Could you please post the excact procedure you used including brand names please? Or you can email it to me at gelignite20@yahoo.com.au I never even dreamed of getting that much AP using 6%.


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posted January 03, 2001 03:00 PM
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I think the reason the sensetivity seems different is because of different crytal size. On thing that this does show is that 150 ml of acetone is exessive. Recalling that the proper ratio for TCAP is 50:9 acetone:H2O2 or about 6:1 allowing a slight exess of acetone. That begin said 72ml of acetone should be used for 200ml of 6%H2O2 and 36ml for 200ml of 3%H2O2. I would be interested in the weights of the two batches, because the one using 6% should be aporxamatly double that of the 3%.
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posted January 03, 2001 08:00 PM
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Could you please tell us the EXACT procedure and products you used?
I had a dream that i used 100mL 30% H2O2, 70mL 100% Acetone, and 30mL 32% HCl and got about 3/4 of your large pile.


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posted January 04, 2001 04:25 AM
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okay first of all i live in australia so the brand names are different so i'll post it any way...
hold on a sec i'll get a picture of the chemicals together..

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Ill think ill send some pictures too but i have to get a camera first, ill probobly borrow one from my friend
Btw, how can i make the camera take a picture exact a charge, detonates?


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posted January 04, 2001 05:10 AM
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ok here is the pic
<img src="http://www.geocities.com/angelo_tf/chems.jpg" alt=" - " />

from left to right the chemicals are:

- gilseal homecare 6% H2O2 solution 100ml
- Faulding Remedies H2O2 w/w 3% 200ml
- Diggers Hydrochloric acid 300g/L 2.5L
- Recochem Solvent Acetone 100% 1L

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the process was in a large jar pour in 150ml of acetone, then pour 200ml of H2O2, start stirring before you start pouring 50ml of HCl in and while you pour it in slowly. keep on stirring for another minute, then put the jar in the fridge...

80 hours later take it out of the fridge and filter it through coffee filters into another jar. then pour water through the filters to wash the acetone.
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this is how i made both amounts of ap...
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next time i make ap i am going to use more peroxide... probably 300ml.

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posted January 04, 2001 06:14 AM
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Thanks angelo, I live in Aust and I think stone dose to so we should both be able to get those brands. I use the same types of peroxide and I used to use Diggers HCl but I ditched it cause I could get cheaper acid. And I also use different acetone. But I dont think that the brand should make a significant difference in the yield anyway, but I guess it could make a SLIGHT diff. Could someone please give some advice on the difference that brands can make. Hey stone, email me if ya want so we can discuss techniques for AP manufacture. Thanks all.


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posted January 04, 2001 07:54 AM
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this experiment made do my own trial...
i made some ap using your procedure but different brands...i used 12% h2o2 and it was even more ap i got...
it is not dry yet but i will post my results when done....

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posted January 06, 2001 11:42 PM
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you live in australia to. thats good, what state?
nightstalker were did you get your h2o2?

and can either of you guys tell me were i could get some kno3? i live in melbourne(if it helps)

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posted January 07, 2001 01:16 AM
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the chems in the us look like this:
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posted January 09, 2001 08:16 AM
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angelo, I dont live in vic so I cant help you there, sorry. Its good to have some people from aust to be able to chat to. Make things little easier. I'll be trying a batch of AP soon using your method, so I will let ya know how it goes.


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posted January 09, 2001 08:20 AM
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i get my stuff from a guy who works at a company that fabricates paint... they have 12% H2O2 in containers of 10 L... So noone cares if 1L is missing... It is easy and very cheap
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Hey, PYRO500, what's Baquacil used for? 27% H2O2 sounds pretty nice compared to my shitty 3%. I even called the pharmacist in town to ask if he could order some high concentration (30%+) and he said that he hasn't even seen that in a pharmacy in his 15yrs experience!
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it is non chloriene pool bleach


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I have never seen that gilseal H2O2, but I have used Fauldings 3% and 6%. I use Diggers HCl(it makes the reaction turn orange/red when added, other acids dont do this). And I use Diggers Acetone aswell.
Recently, i've been getting 30% H2O2 from the chemist/pharmacy...
I follow the same procedure, pretty much...
Add jar to ice bath, put H2O2 into it and let it cool for a minute, add the Acetone, let that cool for a minute, then add about 3mL of HCl at about 1 minute intervals until 20-30mL are done. This is being stirred all the time.
Then it gets left in the fridge for about 36 hours, and there is a fair amount of AP, i filter it once and keep the solution to put back in the fridge. The AP is washed several times then left to dry. After 3-4 days i check the solution and there is a little bit more precipitated, but not much. Most of the reaction is done within 12 hours.
BUT with 100mL 30% H2O2, 70mL 100% Acetone, and 30mL 32% HCl, I STILL get about 75% of your large pile.

angelo - Do you not cool it?

When i have added the acid fast, it has warmed up and i've got a larger yield... but i assume this is the dimer version and i don't want that.


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Hey, PYRO500. I use the Klean-Strip brand of acetone also. The largest container it comes in is 1qt (for $3.00). Where do you get yours? How much in in your container? How much does it cost? And where do you get the 95% H2SO4? Just thinking about switching to Sulfuric Acid (despite the increased % of di instead of tri).


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Lowe's used to sell that brand of sulfuric acid,but now they carry a different brand,think it's "Rhoebic";it's got an indicator added that makes it black,muddy-looking.True-Value carries a drain opener that is clear,concentrated H2S04,which would be good for applications needing a purer grade acid.
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posted January 10, 2001 04:04 AM
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i put the solution in the fridge after stirring..
and about the kno3 it might be the same, as long as its in australia..

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I think that'd be why you get more then. You don't keep the reaction cool... I guess you'd have mostly dimer version, and i'd have mostly trimer version.


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Can you get baquacil in Australia??


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I doubt you'll get that brand, but i'm sure if you go to a pool/spa store they will have non-Cl bleach, which could be H2O2. I'd check but i don't know of any pool/spa stares around here
$5 for 100mL 30% is pretty expensive.


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posted January 10, 2001 08:17 PM
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you can email them at their location imformation at <a href="http://www.baquacil.com" target="_blank">www.baquacil.com</a> as for the acetone, I got the gallon for like $9.50 at wal-mart and I got the H2SO4 at buildres square and it is 93% not 95%


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Just reading and passing by!
Using 200ml at 3% and using 200ml at 6% is of course not the same to get the same yield you would have to use:
100ml at 6% = 200ml at 3%
or 200ml at 6% = 400ml at 3%.
Now the difference in yields is simply due to the fact you have used twice the amount of one reactant... acetone being use in large excess. As I have explained once earlier in the newsgroup with more diluted solutions you first have a bigger portion of your cristals diluted and trown away; you also form preferably the mono and the di aceton peroxyde that are much more soluble thus they won't react and will result in a loss of reactants and product.
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No matter what Acetone Peroxide(mono, di, tri) it is, it's not soluble in water, is it?
And if your AP is dissolved in the excess acetone, won't the acetone evaporate out anyway?
I filter mine after the reaction seems to stop, but i keep the filtered solution and let it sit for a few days longer to get that little bit more out. I have left if for 2 weeks before and i could still smell acetone. Will all of the acetone ever evaporate?

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i have a jar outside full of the liquid...its been there for like 2 months now and i still smell acetone
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Aceton is fully soluble in water (HCl and H2O2 does contain a lot of H2O at least 70%, if you use 30% H2O2 and 30%HCl.So because like like like: aceton will remain always (wel partially in the water).
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actually you can get baquacil in oz... i have already emailed them and they took about a month to reply...
anyway they sell to WATERCO this is the distributer of baquacil products

i have not had the time to look them up an call them...

i'll be gone for the next week so i won't get the chance to call.

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PHILOU Zrealone... If the Acetone has AP dissolved into it, will the acetone be soluble in the water? Or will the AP come out of the acetone?


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hey all
i am back...
so many posts, so much to read, so much to do....arrggghhh.

i call WATERCO ASAP

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I've just found a poolsuplyer who sells 10 litres of 30%h202 for 500 kr, wich is about
60-70 us$. Thats a pretty good deal


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posted January 20, 2001 09:06 PM
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what is the name of the product?
or is it in a different language...

i still would like to know where i can get kno3

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It's in a different language, norwegian


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oh all right then
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Hey sorry for going off the subject but what do soluble & Yield meen? ::smells a n00bie bash comming on::
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ok,... note to all with word meaning questions:
look up your words at <a href="http://www.dictionary.com," target="_blank">www.dictionary.com,</a> it is sure to have most if not all the deffs. you cound need there.


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Thanks man Owe you


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hey angelo i also live in melbourne if you want i can tell you to get some KNO3 and ammonium nitrate.


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well considering the fact that i can't see your email, i take you just want to ask for it here?
were can i get kno3 from chaos?
i need it... bad
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posted January 25, 2001 11:48 PM
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i take it you won't tell me, or you have no idea were to get it and wanted to act like a big man...
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Stone:
If aceton is saturated with AP, then it will precipitate with cold water added, yes... but if the volume of water added is too large (2 times is a good limit-1 vol aceton/1 vol water), then AP will redissolve in it.
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I use 35% H2O2 (30 ml) together with 50 ml Acetone. The acid I use is battery acid, cooked down to 1/3 of its original volume (4 ml). After 30 mins the jar with the mixture is full with AP. I never tried with 3% or 6% H2O2. I can't find it anywhere.


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that sounds like a movie I just watched!
the main character used 200mL of 30% H2O2,
360mL of Pure Klean-Strip acetone and 40 mL of 32% HCl.
In 2 hours the main character was very suprised to see that he had about half of a quart size jar of finely powdered AP
That is a lot he thought as he realized that his Peroxide was cloudy when he poured it out of the bottle he stored it in.
(should it be? Is Baquacil cloudy?) also when he opened the glass bottle of it, it made a loud hiss
pressurized Peroxide? does that store better?
The main character plans to put it all in a thin walled plastic container and bury it about 2ft. underground and detonate it electronicly from 20-30 meters.

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baquacil is clear, and that muck ap is enough to blow you up 30 feet high in the air and kill you before you hit the ground


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sorry, something went awry with my computer and mad it look kinda strange
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yup that makes a lot of sense PYRO500
im guessing you meant much when you said muck
if im not mistaken you detonated a pound (450g.) at once isn't that a little excessive?
hmmm unless there are rocks or other things like acorns or pine cones in the vicinity
(Im going to bury the container under 2 ft. of sand)
being 60-90ft. away from the blast is fairly safe.
I have been making AP for 8 months but until now I have always used 3% H2O2 and the most i've ever used in one so far is 30 grams.
Don't worry about me man im always safe with the stuff.


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posted January 26, 2001 11:55 PM
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damn! the button fucked up my last post, I would recomend staying behind a tree and or getting about 3 times that distance!


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posted January 27, 2001 02:40 AM
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DEFINATELY THREE TIMES THAT DISTANCE, and do it in the middle of nowhere, believe me man do a half pound, its plenty loud.


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t reason for the hiss is the h2o2 decomposed is transit, I live in the us, my baquacil is clear, and I understand in certain countries they color stuff to make sure you dont mistake it for water I have always wanted to take a huge amount of ap, put it in a large tube with one end welded a metal plate over and blow the stuff and try to get an acustic shockwave capable of knocking people! once I took a homemade firecracker with ap (about a coke bottle cap full(plastic)) and buried it around 3" underground and it blew the lid 4 feet up and ripped a hole in it!!!!! ap is powerful and dngerous stuff, even in small amounts!


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so you're saying that the H2O2 decomposed?
why did it make so much high quality AP then?
I had like half of a quart size jar full of it (yikes)
and don't worry I used it in 50 gram ammounts
and the devices had 4" (10 sec.) fuses on them


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yes 10 seconds is plenty. Its amazing how long it seems after you light that fuse, especially when looking at it. 10 seconds seems like an hour. So much anticipation i guess. I havent used a fuse in about a month. Im fresh out! All ive been making lately si 1 gram ap crackers made out of tin foil set off with napalm on top. There actually quite powerful. I punched a hole in a cat battery, and ripped appart 6" i.d abs pipe (just placed one in a scrap piece and lit it. They are also very loud! sonds like a rifle.
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yesterday i detonated a coke cap full of ap whilst standing about 10 metres away, the shit went bang and some how i got a piece of the lid stuck in my leg...
this fucken hurt, so me being the smart guy i am started to dig the piece of plastic out of my leg with a knife and a pin...

my leg still hurts but it should be okay in a few days

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if you want loud, like window shaking loud, simply fill a matchbox with AP, and wrap it in 2 rolls of electrical tape...
detonate with a sparkler...
this also has an amazing damage factor to it..
i taped a box to the drivers window on a car, and it completly gutted the window frame...which can only suggest it was way over powered for the job...so i'll try a windscreen next time...or...i will strap it to the full tank....

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Angelo:
HaHaa!!! Ouwchhh that must must hurt how big is the piece of plastic?
I always hide myself behind a tree
look out the next time

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i love my %35 h202. Sure it costs $20 for a litre, but its woth it. I get the same volume of ap As there was liquid at the begining of the reaction. I usually just do a 50/50 acetone/h202 mix. I know thats not the proper mix, but i get the same as if i adjust the amounts accordingly. i play about $5 for a litre of acetone and the acid is soo cheap i wont even bother adding it up. That means that i get approximately 2 litres of powder fer $25. That alot cheaper than buying smokeless powder for $25/lb
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SafetyLast
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posted January 30, 2001 05:19 PM
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Yesterday I took a small bit of plastic wrap and put about a plastic bottle cap size ammount of AP in it and wrapped it up tightly into a ball shape (very little confinement) .
A 3" fuse was inserted and a thin layer of
masking tape around the tightly wrapped AP.
I buried it 3" in the dirt in my backyard
the blast was about as loud as a 12 gauge shotgun and there was a crater about the size of a baseball in the ground.
all that power from a single layer of plastic wrap and lots of noise also!


CragHack
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posted January 30, 2001 05:49 PM
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ah, well, one layer of plastic wrap and 3 inches of dirt... the 3 inches, undoubtedly did alot.
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angelo
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posted January 31, 2001 03:46 AM
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the plastic was about the size of a bb bullet...
the funny thing was that all the neighbours put their heads over the fence saying "was that you?"

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SafetyLast
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posted January 31, 2001 02:34 PM
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true, the dirt did add to the confinement of it (plastic was just to hold AP in place). I have no neighbors for half a mile (I live in the middle of nowhere) so I don't have to worry about that.
the thing was about the size of a marble.
I also did a test to see how much AP 10mL of 30% H2O2, 18mL of Klean-Strip Acetone, and 2 mL of 32% HCl would make.
The solution was left to react in a 50mL graduated cylinder that was inside of a pickle jar (quart size) filled with ice and some water. In 6 hours I had 2/3 of a plastic bottle cap full that was washed and dried for 12 hours on a wad of paper towels 1/4 its volume of baking soda was then added to it and it was set off unconfined and made a nice fireball.

[Yak]

Two questions:
Im making some AP at the moment, its hard to find things around here but ive put in 6% H2O2,Nail Varnis remover (dont know quanitiys, doesnt state.) and H2SO4.
I was wondering which would make better results H2SO4 or HCL (i think Hydrochloric acid) (sorry im bad at chemistry)
Anyhow i know theres lots of discussions about this but i was going to post on here first.

2nd questions: I know this topic is old but is there any working links for the pictures or any links on making AP with detailed pictures?
Thanks for any replys

[ShockWave]

Dude, the post above you contains THE link for all your detailed homemade explosives.

[Yak]

Yes ive been on there (megalomania right) and i cant find any pictures. but there is tons of infomation which is more then amazingly helpful, i love tht webby but i cant find any with pictures of AP which is useful
Anyhow i will keep serching.

[ShockWave]

well, I can say the same thing again, "on the post above you, which is from me, you can see pictures of making AP, but don't make AP with my procedure, it seems to be dangerous because the high temp. or keep the temp low.

[PhRaZMAkInEtIcS]

I just can't imagine someone giving 60$ for 10 litres of 30% H2O2.It's just abnormal for me.The town i live in has two chemical suppliers and both of them sell it for less than a dollar(0.706$ according to todays exchange rates :) ).I just don't know why you people find it so difficult to get H2O2 at highter concentrations.

This one of the few things i like about my country.The rest about it
just...sux(excluding women,and weapon politics :p )

[Yak]

I know there are alot of pictures but none of the pictures work on this topic (exept one) so I though I would add my pictures:
First one is the chemicals:
I used: 100% Acetone
6% Hydrogen Peroxide
Drain Magic (92% sulphuric acid)

<a href="http://12th.8m.com/AP/alljpg.jpg" target="_blank">http://12th.8m.com/AP/alljpg.jpg</a>

Second picture is the Acetone Peroxide after 72 hours (3 days)
(oh and the pictures taken on a seat my cat likes to sleep on note the cat hair everywhere)

<a href="http://12th.8m.com/AP/oneclosejpg.jpg" target="_blank">http://12th.8m.com/AP/oneclosejpg.jpg</a>

And another view of it

<a href="http://12th.8m.com/AP/onefarjpg.jpg" target="_blank">http://12th.8m.com/AP/onefarjpg.jpg</a>
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Edited the pictures cant be remote linked :(
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edit again:

The mix I used is:
150ml 6% H2O2
50ml 100% Acetone
5ml 92% H2SO4

<small>[ November 02, 2002, 06:56 PM: Message edited by: Yak ]</small>

[Korfaction]

always amazed that topics on AP never match the title...
To conclude, using more concentrated H2O2 makes the reaction shorter to finish, and you get a little more product. (not much if you let your batch reacting for enough time)

btw, i've never heard about buying less than 100% acetone...
acetone is acetone ! :rolleyes:

[Yak]

Well most are about 97-99% Acetone because of impuritys but you can.
Nail polish is about 70% i think and that doesnt work for Acetone Peroxide.

Edit:
I always like seeing pictures of AP and especially the pictures of it been exploded.
I know theres lots of pictures but nearly all of them are different in some way and its intresting finding out why some produce less AP (eg temp or % of chemicals)
If you dont like the pictures dont look if you dont want to.

<small>[ November 02, 2002, 11:30 AM: Message edited by: Yak ]</small>

[Anthony]

Nail Varnish Remover does work for AP. It's admitedly not the best and you have to pick a good brand, but it can be used in a pinch.

[Yak]

Does it?
I tryed it the first time i made AP and nothing happened at all, it did have acetone in it as well, ah well you win some you loose some

[knowledgehungry]

I have succesfully made AP with liquid fire (sulfuric ?%), 3% H₂O₂ and nail polish remover. I used the CVS brand nail polish remover (make sure it does not say Acetone free <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ) I doubled the amount of acetone normally used, the results were not as good as with pure Acetone but they were not bad. Just letting you guys know it is possible.

[Yak]

When I tryed it with nail polish remover it did nothing for about 6 days and then about 20 white crystals appeared on the bottem, looking like salt ut didnt disolve so i threw that batch because i didnt know what they were/if they were dangerous.

[Korfaction]

Hi. maybe that your nail polisher contained some stuffs that allowed more AP to dissolve in the solution, maybe not enough acid, or some impurities reacted with acid, it may have slowed the reaction. (little acid -&gt; little catalysis).

btw i don't see anyone that don't want your pictures. The more the better it is. I should take some too...

[Yak]

Well i did use weak sulphuric acid (i had no drain cleaner so i used battery acid bolied down but i think it was mainly water, might explane :D )
Ill be taking some photoes of the explosion if i can but if not ill just take a photo of the blown up film canaster if i use that.
But i really dont think ive got much, i burnt some today (tiny lump) and a flame about 7cm high nearly burnt my hair, by the time im 30 ill be bald from this stuff :)

<small>[ November 03, 2002, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: Yak ]</small>

[kingspaz]

'if not ill just take a photo of the blown up film canaster if i use that'
you won't find ANYTHING left from the film canister. maybe a couple of little pieces but nothing worth showing :)

[Yak]

As i found out today when i blew it up.
There was a white powder on the edges but i think its just some tiny bits left.
The hole where the fuse was was burnt abit and the lid i couldnt find.
The one thing i DID have was no hearing in my ear for about 5 mins which is a weird feeling.
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thats because a film canister of AP is ALOT, learn from your mistakes - kingspaz

<small>[ November 04, 2002, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: kingspaz ]</small>

[Korfaction]

About the sulfuric acid you used: i think (at least here) the conc. of sulfuric acid used in cars is about 30-40%. So it should have worked rather fast anyway. That's not the point (to my mind).

How much AP can you pack in a film canister (not too much packed of course) ? Between 18-25 g i think.
I've tried to detonate a garden (metal) door with 7g of AP once. Never found out the lock...

[NERV]

Actually if you use allot of pressing you could get up to 50 grams of AP into a film can, without presing you can get about 25-30. Personally I think that would be suicidal though I wouldnt use more than 20 grams of AP in any one place, and even that amount makes me nervous.

EDIT: spelling

<small>[ November 05, 2002, 02:47 PM: Message edited by: NERV ]</small>

[Yak]

Oh sorry kingspaz i didnt mean use a full film can of it, FAR from it, i used about 1/2 teaspoon worth (Im really sorry i dont know how much that is, about 2g at most i think) but still made a big bang.
Well im going to make some more tomorro with this <a href="http://www.geocities.com/angelo_444/3to6.html" target="_blank">meathod</a>

I think the page states:
"1. 200ml of peroxide a poured into a large glass jar.
2. then 150ml of acetone was poured in.
3. then, whilst stirring 50ml of hydrochloric acid was poured in slowly.
4. the mixture was then stirred for about a minute or two.
5. then the mixture was put in the fridge.
6. 80 hours later, the mixture was taken out of the fridge and poured
through a filter into another glass jar."

And if you look at the picture the 6% is quite alot for 6%, when I used my 6% i got about as much as the pile of 3% :( but hopfully i will get somthing nearly like the 6% this time :D

[kingspaz]

yak, acetone is in big excess in that formula and will dissolve some of the AP so not all will crystalise out...most will but you want the best yield, right?
i would work it out but i'll just take a guess, try 100ml of acetone.

[Yak]

Ok 100ml it is.
But if i did use 150ml and some of the AP dissolved into the acetone if i let the acetone evaporate wouldnt it leave behind the remaining AP (There would be a H20+H2SO4 mix still left in there but AP doesnt disolve in water and H2SO4 shouldnt be a problem, i can nutralise that when washing the AP)
I suppose whats the point in using 150ml when i could use 100ml and get the same effects but ill trust a mod because im like a child who cant talk compared to there knolage <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> (sad but true...) (that doesnt mean im dumb, means there clever :D )
Anyhow ill set it all up tomorrow depending on whats happening.
Ill post bk soon with whats happening :D

[kingspaz]

yak, yes you could let it evapourate but the problem with that is once the acetone is in the solution it'll take a week or so before it has evapourated to any significant extent by which time some of the AP you have made will have sublimed. HMTD is better, its reasonably storable unlike AP.

[Yak]

Oh ok, i suppose ill just use the 100ml and not let it evaporate then <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Im thinking of making HMTD, but i need to look for hexamine which ill look for on Saturday because im going into town then.
I dont think it will be too hard to find because theres lots of walking shops/hardware shops here but i dont know because theres lots of topics saying where can they get it from.
Also my friend who i blew up my AP with wants to start making explosives as well, hes going to make AP then we can make them together (Ive made him serious into safty because before he wasnt and now i think it will be quite fun, ill look out he doesnt get converted into kewl (kewls dont deserve a capital :p ))

*edit* spelling

<small>[ November 06, 2002, 06:07 PM: Message edited by: Yak ]</small>

[kingspaz]

yak, make sure you don't get comfortable making it. thats when its unpredictable nature will strike you down. also don't make large amounts. 15g is enough for 10 caps. so if you make a 2g batch you have one cap ready for use. the more you have the more chance of an accident and the bigger the consequences. make sure your friend is aware of this also.

[Yak]

I know, i think im getting relaxed about making it (well , not making ti because ive made it once! but when i think about it i dont think about it been unsafe and i really dont know why, i dont want to but ill learn over time (loosing hearing in ears ect))
*im going to mend my ways and be more careful, im careful in safty of making but not in handling AP and its very careless*

Anyhow, i WAS going to make it today but i went to the pharmacy near my school today and i found to my great supprise when i was serching for my friends 6% H2O2 (hes gonna make AP) i found 9%!
Its not much (6p more then 6%) so should i still use the same amounts as above? (If you think about it there should be ALOT more then the 6% pile because 3%tiny-6%3X bigger pile-9%..who knows <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> )
Anyhow ill make it tomorrow, ive got 400ml of 9% H2O2 and about 250ml of 6% H2O2.

[kingspaz]

well what i would do is use the same amount as i suggested above. i think i suggested too much anyways :(
yak, you should learn some chemistry i think. it will benefit you and save your ass in the long run. do a search inside links and literature for a topic called somehting lime 'chemistry links'.
i posted a couple of decent links which should help including a chemistry for beginners page.

[Yak]

Well im not too bad with chemisty, i do know some things but ill look at them links because it will be great to improve and such.

[Korfaction]

You really wanna buy your H2O2 from pharmacy ? You are RICH guy, it's fucking expensive ! They sold me (years ago, but price doesn't change much) 9% H2O2, 125 mL, about 5€.
At a drugstore, I can have 130vol (~30-35 %), 1L for the same price.
As acetone is cheap, you may have really cheap AP in larger quantities.
And even for 3-6% you may buy it cheaper in a drugstore. Just order it.

[Yak]

It isnt that expensive 76p, well its ok because this is the only H2O2 I can get without ordering off the internet.

Anyhow i made the 9% H2O2 and its basicly full to the brim with AP.
And I would say there was about as much as the 6% H2O2 picture but its only been 24hours and im leaving it for 80 hours. (tomorrow im going to drain it and get the AP out then leave the remaining solution to (hopfully) make more AP :D )

Its really scary because its about 1 1/4 cans worth of AP and its only been 24 hours and as people have found out, that amount kills/takes bits of body parts away.

But ill use it safty (as much saftly you can get wioth AP <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ) with only film canasters 1/2 full of AP and no more.

Ill post pictures ASAP.

[Stone]

Woah! That was a long time ago :)
I lost the forum for a while.

Any Aussies still on here?

[Yak]

My AP is still drying, its nearly fully dryed, it will be by tomorrow.
Im planing to detonate it by saturday (hopfully on thursday)

I might post some pictures depending on if my digi camara is fixed by then.
Ill post back what happens soon :)

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What do you mean "that post was a long time ago" stone?

[Stone]

My posts that were in the archive that megalomania posted.

They were from January 2001.

[Da Boom Doctor]

Hey Yak!
I'm only on my second batch aswell! However I ordered my chemicals from a supplier - and as Korfraction says its much cheaper! Plus you don't have to order on the net - simply look on the labels of bottles/jars of chemicals at school and they should have the address on the schools chemical supplier on them - then order away!

I asked this in the thread "APAN" but have had no answers after a further 8 posts, so i'l ask here.
Does washing AP crystals with tap water rather than de-ionised water effect the AP in anyway?
By how much does the power of AP vary from when it is damp to when dry?
Also can anybody recomend a fast way of drying AP?
Thanks :)

Ps - Yak I dont think it would matter to much wether or not the Kewl was Smoking while he danced on AP or not - one things for sure he wouldnt be doing to much dancing in the future! :D

<small>[ November 13, 2002, 02:51 PM: Message edited by: Da Boom Doctor ]</small>

[carbonated]

I think washing AP in ether or maybe alcohal will reduce drying time. You could always add a dessicant and see how that works. Why not make it a day or two earlier to compensate for drying time?

As far as power differences, 'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure wet AP is less powerful. I could barely hear damp AP(a low thump), but dry AP was a nice loud crack.

One uses regular tap water to wash AP, and uses that said tap water to make the bicarb solution too. One has done this for anout five batches. One of the mods washed HMTD with tap (Anthony?), so I'm sure its fine.

[AnthraX]

Does anybody know where i can buy Acetone in the UK i have my H202 i just need the acetone and Acid does anyone know where i can buy the Acid or Acetone in England thanks :)

[Anthony]

Yes, I don't use distilled/deionised water. Tap water is good enough IMO. There's more to worry about being left in your peroxide than a bit of calcium carbonate!

[Da Boom Doctor]

Thanks! - I guessed that it would be ok to use normal tap water to wash the AP - so thats exactly what I did last night - I left the tray of AP crystals to dry on my sisters window sill - hmmm its ok shes at uni!!
I also gave the crystals a good wash with Na2CO3 solution - as I intend to make a NaClO3/AP mix tommorow night - which should be fun!!

I was wondering how i should handle AP while "cutting" the crystals and packing a cap - any info on the methods that you guys use would be welcomed - particulary ones which increase the saftey aspect!
Also has anyone tried NaClO3/AP before, can you recommend cap sensitive percentage compersitions?
Also what amount would you use as a impressive test batch? (for det in my back garden!! :rolleyes: )

Acetone in UK - hmmmm! You can usualy buy 50ml bottles from chemists but thats pretty pricey (approx £1) - you could try and buy it from say a B&Q warehouse id imagine it to be used as a solvent for paint related things. You could always result to using nail varnish remover but that will lower yeild a bit i would supose!
Thanks :)

<small>[ November 14, 2002, 12:57 PM: Message edited by: Da Boom Doctor ]</small>

[Ho ju]

Leaving your AP in the windowsill might not be the best idea. I wouldn't doubt direct sunlights ability to set off your little expolisive there. When making a cap or doing anything with AP i always seperate what i am working with from the main pile. Take the gram or so needed for the blasting cap from the main pile and store it somewhere else. That way if the shit your using accidently explodes it won't set off the larger heap. Be aware of all types or heat sources and elecetricity. Especially when you have a large mass of AP exposed to the elements. When ever i have come in contact with this stiff i have always handled it using paper. pour the AP from piece to piece. I usually keep it spread out as much as possible. If it ignites and it is not compacted in anyway you will only get a nice size fireball. Piled up on itself or in a container of some sort and you could lose fingers. If you have the resources try and set of your main charge using a cap that hasn't been compressed. This way if it works you don't have to risk pressing the cap yourself. If you need to though be very careful. never get comfortable with a certain pressure or way of doing things. Try and press the cap remotly, away from yourself with a series of pullies or some shit. but above all have fun, and if you lose a finger remeber you have 9 more. peace

[Anthony]

Sensitivy should be roughly equal to that of APAN. So 10% AP should do, you could use 20% if you wanted to be sure.

Mix the NaClO3 and AP using the diaper method, as used for mixing flash. You really can't get much safer than that.

An unpressed cap should work, although I can't guarantee it, as I've never really bothered playing with unpressed caps.

[Yak]

Hehe well fag or not there should be the same amount of damage to his legs.

AnthraX - Well I got 5L of Acetone from a place in UK (I dont know if im allowd to state where) but a good look on <a href="http://www.google.co.uk" target="_blank">www.google.co.uk</a> and you should find somthing.
I got 5L but i dont know if you want that much, anyhow its not too expensive, It was about £12 for me (£5 to get delivered).

Also Ive got my AP and put it on a tray to it will dry faster, it was on the t-shirt I drained it with but that was still wet.
Its been horrid and rainy here in UK at the moment so i dont think thats helping the drying time but I really dont want to bring it inside (its in my garage at the mo.) but the area around its compleatly dry so hopfully it wil be ready by saturday.

My digi camara works :) so hopfully I will take a photo of all the AP I got + where i blow it up.
I cant deside on to:
1. blow it up below the ground and hopfully make a creater

2. Do it on a stainless steel pipe (In park and near houses so I dont know...)

3. Out on the common near me on a tree say but only problem is that the Army owns that area so its unsafe

[AnthraX]

Yeh thanks alot for the help guys :)

[Yak]

Right well this forums been down for ages!
Anyhow i did explode my AP, rapped up in about 3-4 layers of tape and in a toilet tube (inside of your toilet roll) then i electricly ignited it, i was hidden behind this wall thing (it was in the playground), the AP was put in a tiny hole and wasnt covered then I blew it up-
There was a LOWD bang and i heard lots of little bits of woodchips land all around me (it is on the playground) then i looked at the hole, its about as big as a tennis ball, with a area of no woodchips about 10cm around it.
Also I found out how much I had, it was just under 100g , about 93g I would say, ive kept the caseing it was in and I will take a photo soon and post it on here. :D

[kingspaz]

yak, in response to an earlier post, its best not to reveal you chemical sources as there are k3\/\/_|Z lurking around who could ring up your source asking for some azeton for a |3OoMB.
in response to your most recent post, 93g?!?!?! what the fuck are you doing?! why not just use 1g and the rest ANNM? its MUCH safer and more powerful...christ....keep the risk minimal!

[Yak]

I didnt say where i got my chemicals from i think, i hope.
I know that theres kewls trying to get them etc, anyhow I hope I was been helpful to who ever need the google.com link <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Anyhow AN is AMAZINGLY hard to get over here (I dont know if your from UK or not) - I dont think it will be too hard to get more into the country but I live near a town which there are lots of farming land nearby and quite a farming comminity but I guess i havent looked hard :(
Ive had at least three serches for AN containing fertiliser, but only found other things i didnt want + I dont know if they will sell me due to me been under 18.
If I had sources to AN there would be no question about using it instead of AP, well ill have another look this Saturday.
I must post pictures of the remains of the AP thing, ill take them tonight and hopfully be on here by the end of the week.

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Ahh what do you know here it is:
<a href="http://hwminator.homestead.com/files/APblast.jpg" target="_blank">http://hwminator.homestead.com/files/APblast.jpg</a>

The top one is the toilet paper roll and what it SHOULD look like and the bottem one is "after", ofcourse this photo is fake and I dreamed it last night...

<small>[ December 04, 2002, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: Yak ]</small>

[kingspaz]

yak, yes i'm from the uk. AN can actually be had quite easily. don't talk to me about hard to find chemicals, i guarantee i live in the hardest place to get chemicals possible!!!
if you are near a city then thats good. it means lots of chemists to try. look for something called 'instant cold pack'. they are used to treat sport injuries so theres always going to be some supply of them somewhere unless the city is some sort of weird place where nobody does sport ever.

[Yak]

Sport, yuck i h8 sport <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Anyhow I did has a breif look for "Instant cold Packs" but all i could fine (and I asked the shop assistant for them) and it was some sort of cooling gel for kids with a fever, I dont think it was AN.

As I said ill look on Saturday, I know its in LOTS of topics and ill look there as well, but because your from the UK what should I look for other then Cold packs, You could give me the name of the product but i dont know if you want to etc

Well hope you like the pic
~Yak

[Yak]

Hello all, sorry for the double post but its kinda about AP, theres lots of other threads kinda like this but most are old and I might as well post in here.
Its kinda cold here now and due to the sun setting about the time I get back from school, and its winter so its freezing so its kinda more pratical to do it when the days start getting longer, so I havent used AP for about a month now ( :()

Well onto what Im gonna say, ive found a plentiful source of Potassium Permanganate, Well I say plentiful which it is but its damn expensive, £1 for 25g!! but hey, I dont want to order much because its not very fun and I could spend the money on much greater things eg Nitric acid.
Well as you all know AP is oxygen deficient and Potassium Permanganate (ill call it PP for short) is a oxydiser, well if I mixed AP with PP would it work or is PP slow to react?
Well any replys are welcome :) (also APPPP would sound weird :) )

*I was thinking a 75/25 ratio, 75 AP , 25 PP*

*Also offtopic but ive borrowed about 2m of Mg ribbon from school which would be handy to light things, say instead of a fuse but the burn time is unreliable*

[VX]

I've found that Mg ribbon actually makes a fairly bad fuse. The main reason, other the unpredictable burn rate is the fact that it is dam near impossible to ignite with a match or lighter (although windproof lighters were a lot better). However there is also the problem that once you have the stuff lit it has a tendency to just go out a few inches later for no apparent reason.

Over the next few days I will try be trying <a href="http://www.pyrouniverse.com/fuse.htm" target="_blank">this</a> . I've not seen this variation before, it seems like a good idea that should work very well. I have high hopes :)

<small>[ December 18, 2002, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: VX ]</small>

[Anthony]

You should have seen it before - common as muck and has been used for centuries!

Avoid bending it though, the BP coating will crack and fall off, making for an unreliable fuse.

[VX]

Ah well, I must just go around with my eyes closed :o

I have obviously seen the same idea with one piece of string, just not with the two pieces parallel to each other.

[Yak]

Ive done a tad bit of reserch and ive came apon chemicals which are incompatable and this is in the list:
peroxides, permanganates
Acetone Peroxide and Potassium Permanganate

I think it would increase the sensitivity which wouldnt do wonders to an already very sensitive explosive.

If no one has any knowlage of this APPP thing ill do some tests and make a new topic etc but ill look around first and not look stupid for making a new mixture thats already very old or summit.

Well have a great time people, nearly X-Mas!

(edit: spelling, sorry im a bit stoned)

<small>[ December 19, 2002, 05:46 PM: Message edited by: Yak ]</small>

[matjaz]

Is this off topic or do percentages higher than 3% of 6% go here as well?
I dreamt of some AP production with different H2O2 percentage. Dreams start with pure acetone and 12% hair bleach. To each batch 1.5ml of HCl was added and temperature held between 0C and 10C. The amounts of AP reported were measured to +-0.05g after bicarb and neutral wash and drying completely at room temp in a thin layer for 5 hrs.

10ml acetone + 14ml H2O2 (left at 12%) ---HCl---> 2.0g AP (in 72 hours since not much was there after the first day)
10ml acetone + 14ml H2O2 (boiled to 7ml, ~24%) ---HCl---> 2.45g AP (after 24 hours it thickened a lot and seemed to stop reacting)
10ml acetone + 14ml H2O2 (boiled to 5ml, ~33%) ---HCl---> 3.65g AP (after 15 hours, since I was away, may have been faster, I don't know)
(Even HCl goes dropwise with the last one to keep the temperature low!)

That gives 20%, 25% and 35% yields, respectively. It's a real pleasure getting all that thick stuff in the beaker. :) It's almost like dough.