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Motox31
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posted January 16, 2001 06:52 PM
I was about to make a batch of AP and was wondering exactily how sensitive the ap would be if I went off the recipe in the Makeshift Arsenal.
ALENGOSVIG1
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posted January 16, 2001 06:54 PM
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Motox31
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From: Topeka,ks,USA
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posted January 16, 2001 07:01 PM
Would you there be a recipe that is less friction sensitive?
ALENGOSVIG1
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posted January 16, 2001 07:39 PM
Why? If u just use ap as dets its not gonna hurt you if you are extremely carefull..If u wanna mabe big bombs outa ap, dont..Its too risky and expensive
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MacCleod
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posted January 17, 2001 04:27 AM
Sure,if you add the acid too fast and the mix heats up,you'll have less sensitive AP-but it'll be next to useless!(especially with sulfuric).Sometimes it's so wimpy,no matter how hard you compress it,it won't detonate,just burn about like SP.
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SofaKing
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posted January 17, 2001 05:09 PM
Allowing the reaction to heat up and there by producing the dimmer is a bad idea ! The dimmer from of AP is more senetive !
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Motox31
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posted January 19, 2001 03:38 PM
How long does it usually take for your ap to dry?
CragHack
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posted January 19, 2001 03:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for CragHack i would not let it dry all the way. i would put it on a paper towel or coffe filter, to pull away the water from the crystals for 24 hours, after this put it in the container. this won't be 100% dry, but it shouldn't be stored like that anyway. plus there will be no decrease in performance if the AP has a little moisture in it.
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Sgt_Starr
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posted January 22, 2001 09:04 AM
Hey guys Ive decided that I want to make ap for the first time...and I dare say that Im a n00bie. Anyone wanna tell me what kinda stuff I need to stock my lab with and any recipes(I think Im gonna use the Makeshift aresenal reciepe.) Thanks guys,Oh btw Im only planning on makeing little amounts at a time like enough for a few firecracker sized explosives
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Anthony
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posted January 22, 2001 06:38 PM
Don't use the MA method, instead use (vehemt's or was in sofaking's sorry guys can't remember who to give credit to!) method, use 6 times as much acetone as pure H2O2.
I started a batch two days ago using 100ml 6% H2O2 (6ml pure H2O2), 26ml acetone and 10ml 91% H2SO4. After two days in the fridge, the crystals occupy 50-60% of the solution! Not bad for 6%!!!
angelo
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posted January 22, 2001 07:38 PM
check out my 3% compared to 6% post to see exactly how i make it...
all you need to start making ap is a measuring cup, 2 jars (big enough to hold the solution in them) and something to stir the solution with (wood, glass rod, not metal) and some coffee filters.
some other handy things to have would be latex gloves and a roll of handee whipes, toilet paper would do...
don't forget the goggles(better to be safe then sorry)
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angelo's place
have a good link? add it here
[This message has been edited by angelo (edited January 22, 2001).]
Sgt_Starr
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posted January 22, 2001 08:44 PM
Im sad to say I'm pretty darn scared about making this explosive. Could someone share their first experience in making this and go step by steb(so I will know what kind of safty is required) Thanks(AP is illegal to make correct? Hope so )
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"Oh Sh".::BOOM: (later
in front of saint peter))
"it"
[This message has been edited by Sgt_Starr (edited January 22, 2001).]
Edd
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posted January 23, 2001 06:54 AM
anthony, your maths is wrong. 6 x 6 = 36, not 26!
Anthony
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posted January 23, 2001 08:27 AM
Typo - got a new keyboard.
CragHack
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posted January 23, 2001 11:29 AM
yes in most countries it is illegal to make. in the US it is, canada, all of europe (to my understanding) the only place really, that you can make it without any hope of reprisal is the middle east. and then you can still get in trouble in some countries there. all in all, governments frown on there citizens making HE's.
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vehemt
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posted January 23, 2001 06:05 PM
Actually in Canada small amounts(what a small amount is nobody knows as its not defined ) are ok to manufacture for personal intellectual gain.
Its illegal to make any devices from it or to sell it however.
Anthony
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posted January 23, 2001 07:06 PM
Same in England, alhtough I thought it was restricted to LE's, although I don't see why labs shouldn't be bale to make small amounts of explosive chemicals for other experiments! Like Picric acid.
Edd
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posted January 24, 2001 03:41 PM
yeah, i'm just testing this picric acid for it's amazing staining properties!
SafetyLast
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posted January 26, 2001 10:24 AM
Yes, Picric Acid does have legitamite uses.
I found a few sites that sell it <a href="http://www2.fishersci.com/catalogs/ncatgroup.jsp;$sessionid$JPHYEXIAAACU2CWIZEEQAAA?c atalogParamId=MPX11651&catalogParamType=NCI" target="_blank">http://www2.fishersci.com/catalogs/ncatgroup.jsp;$sessionid$JPHYEXIAAACU2CWIZEEQAAA?c atalogParamId=MPX11651&catalogParamType=NCI</a>
too damn expensive however $321 for 500 grams!
A new voice
Posts: 7
From: Topeka,ks,USA
Registered: JAN 2001
posted January 16, 2001 06:52 PM
I was about to make a batch of AP and was wondering exactily how sensitive the ap would be if I went off the recipe in the Makeshift Arsenal.
ALENGOSVIG1
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Posts: 766
From: Vancouver, Canada
Registered: NOV 2000
posted January 16, 2001 06:54 PM
SENSITIVe to a hammer blow when dry
Motox31
A new voice
Posts: 7
From: Topeka,ks,USA
Registered: JAN 2001
posted January 16, 2001 07:01 PM
Would you there be a recipe that is less friction sensitive?
ALENGOSVIG1
Moderator
Posts: 766
From: Vancouver, Canada
Registered: NOV 2000
posted January 16, 2001 07:39 PM
Why? If u just use ap as dets its not gonna hurt you if you are extremely carefull..If u wanna mabe big bombs outa ap, dont..Its too risky and expensive
------------------
Explosives Archive
MacCleod
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Posts: 215
From:
Registered: DEC 2000
posted January 17, 2001 04:27 AM
Sure,if you add the acid too fast and the mix heats up,you'll have less sensitive AP-but it'll be next to useless!(especially with sulfuric).Sometimes it's so wimpy,no matter how hard you compress it,it won't detonate,just burn about like SP.
------------------
"There can be only one!"
SofaKing
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Posts: 392
From: YEAH RIGHT !!
Registered: SEP 2000
posted January 17, 2001 05:09 PM
Allowing the reaction to heat up and there by producing the dimmer is a bad idea ! The dimmer from of AP is more senetive !
------------------
"ARE YOUR PAPERS IN ORDER" -- Jack Booted Thug
Motox31
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Posts: 7
From: Topeka,ks,USA
Registered: JAN 2001
posted January 19, 2001 03:38 PM
How long does it usually take for your ap to dry?
CragHack
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Registered: DEC 2000
posted January 19, 2001 03:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for CragHack i would not let it dry all the way. i would put it on a paper towel or coffe filter, to pull away the water from the crystals for 24 hours, after this put it in the container. this won't be 100% dry, but it shouldn't be stored like that anyway. plus there will be no decrease in performance if the AP has a little moisture in it.
------------------
...Æ
Sgt_Starr
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Posts: 119
From: Petersburg
Registered: DEC 2000
posted January 22, 2001 09:04 AM
Hey guys Ive decided that I want to make ap for the first time...and I dare say that Im a n00bie. Anyone wanna tell me what kinda stuff I need to stock my lab with and any recipes(I think Im gonna use the Makeshift aresenal reciepe.) Thanks guys,Oh btw Im only planning on makeing little amounts at a time like enough for a few firecracker sized explosives
------------------
"Oh Sh".::BOOM: :((later
in front of saint peter))
"it"
Anthony
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Posts: 2304
From: England
Registered: SEP 2000
posted January 22, 2001 06:38 PM
Don't use the MA method, instead use (vehemt's or was in sofaking's sorry guys can't remember who to give credit to!) method, use 6 times as much acetone as pure H2O2.
I started a batch two days ago using 100ml 6% H2O2 (6ml pure H2O2), 26ml acetone and 10ml 91% H2SO4. After two days in the fridge, the crystals occupy 50-60% of the solution! Not bad for 6%!!!
angelo
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Posts: 279
From:
Registered: SEP 2000
posted January 22, 2001 07:38 PM
check out my 3% compared to 6% post to see exactly how i make it...
all you need to start making ap is a measuring cup, 2 jars (big enough to hold the solution in them) and something to stir the solution with (wood, glass rod, not metal) and some coffee filters.
some other handy things to have would be latex gloves and a roll of handee whipes, toilet paper would do...
don't forget the goggles(better to be safe then sorry)
------------------
angelo's place
have a good link? add it here
[This message has been edited by angelo (edited January 22, 2001).]
Sgt_Starr
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Posts: 119
From: Petersburg
Registered: DEC 2000
posted January 22, 2001 08:44 PM
Im sad to say I'm pretty darn scared about making this explosive. Could someone share their first experience in making this and go step by steb(so I will know what kind of safty is required) Thanks(AP is illegal to make correct? Hope so )
------------------
"Oh Sh".::BOOM: (later
in front of saint peter))
"it"
[This message has been edited by Sgt_Starr (edited January 22, 2001).]
Edd
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From: england
Registered: NOV 2000
posted January 23, 2001 06:54 AM
anthony, your maths is wrong. 6 x 6 = 36, not 26!
Anthony
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From: England
Registered: SEP 2000
posted January 23, 2001 08:27 AM
Typo - got a new keyboard.
CragHack
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Posts: 606
From:
Registered: DEC 2000
posted January 23, 2001 11:29 AM
yes in most countries it is illegal to make. in the US it is, canada, all of europe (to my understanding) the only place really, that you can make it without any hope of reprisal is the middle east. and then you can still get in trouble in some countries there. all in all, governments frown on there citizens making HE's.
------------------
...Æ
vehemt
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Posts: 580
From: Canada
Registered: SEP 2000
posted January 23, 2001 06:05 PM
Actually in Canada small amounts(what a small amount is nobody knows as its not defined ) are ok to manufacture for personal intellectual gain.
Its illegal to make any devices from it or to sell it however.
Anthony
Moderator
Posts: 2304
From: England
Registered: SEP 2000
posted January 23, 2001 07:06 PM
Same in England, alhtough I thought it was restricted to LE's, although I don't see why labs shouldn't be bale to make small amounts of explosive chemicals for other experiments! Like Picric acid.
Edd
Frequent Poster
Posts: 66
From: england
Registered: NOV 2000
posted January 24, 2001 03:41 PM
yeah, i'm just testing this picric acid for it's amazing staining properties!
SafetyLast
Frequent Poster
Posts: 232
From: the cretaceous period
Registered: OCT 2000
posted January 26, 2001 10:24 AM
Yes, Picric Acid does have legitamite uses.
I found a few sites that sell it <a href="http://www2.fishersci.com/catalogs/ncatgroup.jsp;$sessionid$JPHYEXIAAACU2CWIZEEQAAA?c atalogParamId=MPX11651&catalogParamType=NCI" target="_blank">http://www2.fishersci.com/catalogs/ncatgroup.jsp;$sessionid$JPHYEXIAAACU2CWIZEEQAAA?c atalogParamId=MPX11651&catalogParamType=NCI</a>
too damn expensive however $321 for 500 grams!