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shady mutha
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posted January 22, 2001 12:43 AM
When I add the acid to my ap fast it I get a jar full of sludge in 5 mins flat!what the fucks going on?Add the acid slow and it takes about 5 times longer,and I get the nice crystals.
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posted January 22, 2001 12:53 AM
mabe its breaking the crystals down. are u using hydrochloric or sulfuric?..and what % and what are the ratios?
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shady mutha
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posted January 22, 2001 01:16 AM
Im using the hydrocloric{diggers}100ml 50%h202 300ml acetone 75m 30% hydro acid
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posted January 22, 2001 02:43 AM
If you add the acid quickly it speeds up the reaction considerably,though the AP produced is often rather weak,insensitive to shock.With AP,nice and slow is the way to go!.
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posted January 22, 2001 03:16 AM
when i add acid too fast, it makes thedicycloacetone peroxide which in my experience is larger crystals..
[vehemt: what the fuck does watching movies have anything to do with this topic, or the forum in general? Please keep your posts on topic.]
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posted January 22, 2001 05:12 PM
i have seen 32% hcl added really fast (~30 mils added all at once) and the result is a nice fine powder like AP. which will detonate with a smack of a hammer.
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posted January 22, 2001 06:32 PM
Remeber that the dicyclo is more sensitive so it's important to keep the reaction cool and add the acid gradually and with plenty of stirring.
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posted January 22, 2001 10:39 PM
yes but when this so mentioned AP is wrapped in AL foil (one layer or two layers of Al foil) and placed in a burning pool of gas (as so described by Ho ju, i think) the AP detonates and sometimes puts out the flame. this AP is done by, of course adding all the HCl at once... I have never seen anyone have a problem with there AP when dumping all the HCl in at once.
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posted January 23, 2001 02:30 AM
you will if u are using 35% h202. i.e, tear gas, and sometimes ap that is soo weak that it burns like flash powder
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posted January 24, 2001 01:53 AM
The weak AP I'm referring to was made with sulfuric acid,added quickly.A small amount was wrapped in foil,placed on an anvil,and pummeled several times witt a hammer.Nothing happened,except being left with an extremely thin sheet of alum. foil and AP!.CragHack,were you using 6%,or stronger?. BTW,when lit,it burned about like unconfined gasoline fumes.
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shady mutha
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posted January 24, 2001 03:22 PM
The sludge is very explosive.Because I didnt trust the sludge I put a pile in the back yard and threw a sparkler on it.boom,it detonated and shook the house.I can filter the sludge out put the mix back in the fridge and in 4 hours I have A another jar full.The sludge appears when you add the acid to fast and the jar warms up.
Anthony
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posted January 24, 2001 03:36 PM
The "sludge" is just extremely fine AP crystals.
I'vbe found that rushed (i.e gets warms) AP produces powdery crystals whereas is you take your time and cool it extra well you get nice big flaky crystals.
I've also never had "AP" that wouldn't detonate! Could (big guess here) it have been mono-cyclo AP?
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posted January 24, 2001 09:16 PM
i have used 3% in the past. i have always used it as a matter of fact.
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posted January 22, 2001 12:43 AM
When I add the acid to my ap fast it I get a jar full of sludge in 5 mins flat!what the fucks going on?Add the acid slow and it takes about 5 times longer,and I get the nice crystals.
ALENGOSVIG1
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posted January 22, 2001 12:53 AM
mabe its breaking the crystals down. are u using hydrochloric or sulfuric?..and what % and what are the ratios?
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shady mutha
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posted January 22, 2001 01:16 AM
Im using the hydrocloric{diggers}100ml 50%h202 300ml acetone 75m 30% hydro acid
MacCleod
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posted January 22, 2001 02:43 AM
If you add the acid quickly it speeds up the reaction considerably,though the AP produced is often rather weak,insensitive to shock.With AP,nice and slow is the way to go!.
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ALENGOSVIG1
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posted January 22, 2001 03:16 AM
when i add acid too fast, it makes thedicycloacetone peroxide which in my experience is larger crystals..
[vehemt: what the fuck does watching movies have anything to do with this topic, or the forum in general? Please keep your posts on topic.]
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[This message has been edited by vehemt (edited January 22, 2001).]
CragHack
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posted January 22, 2001 05:12 PM
i have seen 32% hcl added really fast (~30 mils added all at once) and the result is a nice fine powder like AP. which will detonate with a smack of a hammer.
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Anthony
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posted January 22, 2001 06:32 PM
Remeber that the dicyclo is more sensitive so it's important to keep the reaction cool and add the acid gradually and with plenty of stirring.
CragHack
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posted January 22, 2001 10:39 PM
yes but when this so mentioned AP is wrapped in AL foil (one layer or two layers of Al foil) and placed in a burning pool of gas (as so described by Ho ju, i think) the AP detonates and sometimes puts out the flame. this AP is done by, of course adding all the HCl at once... I have never seen anyone have a problem with there AP when dumping all the HCl in at once.
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...Æ
ALENGOSVIG1
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posted January 23, 2001 02:30 AM
you will if u are using 35% h202. i.e, tear gas, and sometimes ap that is soo weak that it burns like flash powder
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MacCleod
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posted January 24, 2001 01:53 AM
The weak AP I'm referring to was made with sulfuric acid,added quickly.A small amount was wrapped in foil,placed on an anvil,and pummeled several times witt a hammer.Nothing happened,except being left with an extremely thin sheet of alum. foil and AP!.CragHack,were you using 6%,or stronger?. BTW,when lit,it burned about like unconfined gasoline fumes.
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shady mutha
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From: australia
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posted January 24, 2001 03:22 PM
The sludge is very explosive.Because I didnt trust the sludge I put a pile in the back yard and threw a sparkler on it.boom,it detonated and shook the house.I can filter the sludge out put the mix back in the fridge and in 4 hours I have A another jar full.The sludge appears when you add the acid to fast and the jar warms up.
Anthony
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From: England
Registered: SEP 2000
posted January 24, 2001 03:36 PM
The "sludge" is just extremely fine AP crystals.
I'vbe found that rushed (i.e gets warms) AP produces powdery crystals whereas is you take your time and cool it extra well you get nice big flaky crystals.
I've also never had "AP" that wouldn't detonate! Could (big guess here) it have been mono-cyclo AP?
CragHack
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posted January 24, 2001 09:16 PM
i have used 3% in the past. i have always used it as a matter of fact.