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gliper
May 3rd, 2004, 09:34 PM
http://rense.com/general52/web.htm


"Al-Hussayen, who was arrested in February 2003 while working toward a Ph.D. in computer science at the University of Idaho, is charged with providing "material support" to terrorists, a crime that was broadened by the PATRIOT Act to include "expert guidance or assistance."

"The core of the case," the prosecutors say, is four fatwas (religious decrees) that were posted at www.alasr.net, a site that Al-Hussayen helped maintain. The fatwas, which appeared in 2001, defend suicide attacks on "the enemy" as consistent with Islam.

But Al-Hussayenówho as a local Muslim leader released a statement after the September 11 attacks condemning "vicious acts of terrorism against innocent civilians"óinsists he does not agree with those fatwas. They were among thousands of postings that he handled for various sites, which also included articles arguing that terrorism is contrary to Islam. Prosecutors concede that "much of the content of the Web sites was seemingly benign."

Likewise, the government holds Al-Hussayen responsible for incendiary comments by participants in a Yahoo! e-mail group devoted to Chechnya. Although Al-Hussayen was listed as one of several moderators for the list, he served that function only 17 times over three years and deleted just one message during that time, a pattern that seems to indicate inattention rather than agreement. "

"Talk about guilt by association. Given the interconnected nature of the World Wide Web (they don't call it a "web" for nothing), just about any site with hyperlinks "could eventually access" something sinister. "

nbk2000
May 4th, 2004, 05:48 PM
Hmmm....wonder where we would stand? :D

nesler
May 6th, 2004, 03:23 AM
Talk about guilt by association. Given the interconnected nature of the World Wide Web (they don't call it a "web" for nothing), just about any site with hyperlinks "could eventually access" something sinister.

It make you wonder how the "Six Degrees to Kevin Bacon" phenomena applies to internet pages. Could over-zealous governments start taking the axe to certain websites simply because their proximity (through links) to sites that are pro-terrorist or anti-government are greater than the statistical norm?

megalomania
May 8th, 2004, 02:08 AM
Naw, they will just pass laws requiring space providers of such websites to take "precautions." These precautions will be in the form of treating such websites like porn, ie requiring them to have "special" service packages that cost thousands of dollars a month. Is it still "free" speech then? Technicially yes... :(

Why pass a law that violates the constitution when they can make an end run around it and make it so expensive or inconvienant that nobody can do it. That's the same reson no chemical dealers will sell to individuals, it's not illegal, but sell to one drug dealer and you get fined big bucks or shut down alltogether.

Jacks Complete
May 10th, 2004, 07:16 PM
That's one of the reasons I am so worried about the stupid ID card scheme, in the UK.

Guilt by association, whether due to hyperlinks or the fact you know someone who knows Someone, or that you share the same surname, or where your kids go to school, or whatever, is just too damned easy to get carried away with. Using face recognition on streets and pattern matching software instead of due process and human reasoning and intelligence, which, while flawed, at least we know it is flawed, and so we don't just follow the result the computer prints out...

Next thing you know, they will change the law so you need permission to leave your home and country, and the "great democracy" that is the west, will be just like the Communists would have made Soviet Russia if they had the technology instead of just people who could be bribed :( And you won't be able to defect, either!

nesler
May 10th, 2004, 08:37 PM
Next thing you know, they will change the law so you need permission to leave your home and country...

They don't need to change the law. It's called a passport.

Jacks Complete
May 10th, 2004, 09:13 PM
They don't need to change the law. It's called a passport.

No, I mean you will need <i>papers</i> to go to the next town, and your passport is suddenly required when you want to leave somewhere, not when entering! :rolleyes:

Ropik
May 11th, 2004, 06:07 AM
It is pretty much like in Nazi occupation of Europe: "He is guilty of sympathysing with Aliied forces...beng!".
So: "He has some explosive links on his page... jail!"

Jacks Complete
May 11th, 2004, 06:06 PM
So, has anyone closed down Google yet?

Or is it only <i>certain</i> websites with links? :eek: