8 month old AP

[Teck]

I have a question... I've been away for 8 months and before I went away I made 3 batches of 50g of AP each (each batch was washed with about 10 gallons of water)(in my dream). Now that Im back I decided to make something and remembered the AP I made a while back. I picked up the jars and I saw small crystals on the sides of the jars, they are very small and they are prickly looking crystals. Also my jars are covered with plastic bags and tied with rubber bands, and theres small crystals between the glass and the plastic. I was wondering how stable is this shit? And is it okey to open it and take the AP out of the jars. Or should I just take it out back and shoot it.

One more thing I have (an illusion) that I have about 600g of flash and it wont light, Im guessing because of the moisture and because I kept it in a paper can. Is there anyway to dry it out and make it usefull?

[shooter3]

Don't try to unscrew the lid. I had one explode on me just popping the lid off a med. bottle! Recondensed AP is very sensitive!

[MrKGB]

When you open it it's possibil that it will detonat.

[Pu239 Stuchtiger]

I'd be scared to even touch those jars. If at all possible, detonate them where they are.

[nbk2000]

Toss the AP and the flash into a roaring fire and be done with them. They're a hazard waiting to fuck you off. Just start over again. It's cheaper to make a new batch than to buy a prosthetic arm.

<small>[ April 14, 2002, 11:18 PM: Message edited by: nbk2000 ]</small>

[NoltaiR]

Yeah just discard the flash.. I dont suppose it will spontaneously combust with anything in your trashcan <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

But as for the AP.. I would think it funny to be inside a large building and drop the jars from a window into a busy street down below :D ... just don't blame it on 'some guy on the internet who told you to do it'...hehe

<small>[ April 15, 2002, 01:04 AM: Message edited by: NoltaiR ]</small>

[mr.evil]

just move the charge with a couple of towels and detonate it with another charge, screw of the lid will proboubly be your last mistake in your life...

[Teck]

I never screw the lids on my jars with explosives. I usually take a bag and make a lid out of that. So I was thinking if I cut the plastic an remove it that way. But hell I'll just have to detonate the AP. True making a new bath would be cheaper than a prosthetic arm. Alright thanks for the input guys. Ill just take the jars and detonate them in my old washing machine out back.

Pu239 Stuchtiger: Detonating the jars in my small place I call lab would not be cool.

But burning that much flash makes me hurt even to think about it. Will it still work if I spread it out on a table and dry it for like couple of days?

[nbk2000]

Possibly. But who knows what kind of chemical changes have taken place in it since it's gotten wet. Too risky.

Have fun burning it.

[DarkAngel]

Storing AP 8 months while covered is just KE\/\/L

Anyway as you covered it with plastic bags try to carefully pour a solvent like acetone on the bags,this will eat through the plastic.
Carefully pour in more till the jars are full with the solvent you can than safely handle the jars.

I can't understand why you make AP when you don't need it,always deal immidiately with it ones it's made.

[mrloud]

So you have 150 grams of partially recrystalised AP? I would not even sneeze in the same room as the stuff. I dont know anything about the layout of your room but I would get everything else out of the room. Pile up old phone books or sandbags around the jars and in front of the door, board up any windows and turn on some loud music for your neighbours. Then try to detonate the jars one at a time where they are. Or all at the same time if you have no choice. Either way, its still going to be a big bang.

[Madog555]

i think the darkangel method is best

[vulture]

What kind of flash is it? Do not throw the flash in the trash can, this might sound redicolous but there are chemicals in a trash can it could react with.
Wash the flash with acetone, not with isopropyl if you do not know which oxidizer you used. You could try to burn it when soaked with acetone. However, be careful, i did this once and the flash burned a few seconds after the acetone went out!

[nbk2000]

Dig a hole, put some burning wood in it, and toss in the flash wrapped in a bundle of newspaper.

Then RUN!

End problem.

[mongo blongo]

You can always sell the AP to a K3\/\/e|_ and tell him that he is going to have to come over and pick it up! :D

[J]

I wouldn't want to risk even touching them, let alone carrying them somewhere. I don't know the details of the room you're keeping them in, but I'd suggest flooding the jars to soak the AP. If the lids are just plastic, the water should penetrate them after a while.

If you can't errect some kind of waterproof barrier around them to do this, use buckets and be extremely careful moving them!

As for the flash, if it's really that innert, moving it shouldn't be a problem (although I cringe to think of 600g of flash being made in one batch at all). Burning it's a good suggestion.

<small>[ April 15, 2002, 05:09 PM: Message edited by: J ]</small>

[Teck]

Ok, thanks guys. Ill just pour the accetone into the jars and then move them that way. Thats probably the last time I made such a large batch. I had plans on using it after I made it but my situation made me leave so I couldnt use it up. Jeeze it freaks the hell out of me knowing that I have 150g of unstable AP next to me. I still would like to detonate it outside in my washing machine. Will it detonate when wet?

J: I didnt make 600g of flash in one batch. I make my flash in 100g batches.

[vulture]

STOP! burning the 600g of flash all at once will cause detonation, it's above the critical mass of flashpowder!

[nbk2000]

This IS an EXPLOSIVES forum.

If the flashpowder actually exploded instead of just burning, then all the better. :D

Just run a little faster, that's all. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Oh, and buy a $3 pair of fireplace tongs. The kind that scissor open and closed like the fist thing in cartoons. Use those for carrying around the AP. Then, if it goes off, it's just ringing ears and some plastic cuts, not "Stumpy".

[Anthony]

Once you've got the AP in the acetone solution, there shouldn't be any reason why you can't recrystalise it and use it as you wish.

600gm of damp, homemade (unknown quality), unconfined flash detonating by flame? Pull the other one!

[vulture]

Damp of acetone is very different of damp of water.
Read the first few pages of the complete book of flashpowder, you'll see what i mean.

[green beret]

Hehe, the funniest thing happened today.

I was looking for a roll of fuse that I had stashed away, when I found 4 film cannisters of AP, each full of AP and water.

They must have been there for more than a year, but there is no recrystalisation at all, because the AP is highly saturated.

I guess I will take them all out and chuck them on a fire. I think I was going to make some detonators but never got round to it, I then forgot about the AP. :(

Oh well, at least it will go off with a bang hehehe.......

[vulture]

What actually happened to the shit now Teck?

[mr.evil]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> Damp of acetone is very different of damp of water.
Read the first few pages of the complete book of flashpowder, you'll see what i mean </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">I wish i had the complete book of flashpowder :(
i've downloaded it from the forum ftp, but i couldn't open it bacause some stupid computer mistake or something. I've also downloaded the file from madog555's site, but it doesn't open also...Really strange!

Does someone has a word document of the complete book of flashpowder?(instead of pdf) thanks..

[0EZ0]

Same thing happened to me mr.evil. Just update to Adobe Acrobat Reader Version 5. Worked after i upgraded. Here is the link to the netherlands download site:

<a href="http://www.adobe.nl/products/acrobat/readermain.html" target="_blank">http://www.adobe.nl/products/acrobat/readermain.html</a>

<small>[ May 31, 2002, 09:13 PM: Message edited by: 0EZ0 ]</small>