My first attempt

[krimmie]

I used Megalomania's AP method. I combined 125 ml of both acetone and 27% H2O2(Baquacil). In the photo you can see it is still wet, but it weighed 8.4 grams...subtract the coffee filter and I have 7 grams of AP.

<a href="http://www.angelfire.com/gundam/krimmie/ap.JPG" target="_blank">krimmie's angelfire</a>
Does this look like AP to you experienced makers?
Copy and paste in case link doesn't work:http://www.angelfire.com/gundam/krimmie/ap.JPG

<small>[ April 28, 2002, 01:06 PM: Message edited by: krimmie ]</small>

[glock]

Seems like an abnormally small yeild, how much acid did you use? How long did you let it sit for?

[mongo blongo]

Yup that looks like AP but I think you should have let it react for much longer. Try it for about 2 days and you will get a much better yield.

<small>[ April 28, 2002, 09:13 PM: Message edited by: mongo blongo ]</small>

[krimmie]

Yeah,you're both right. I didn't add too much H2SO4(probably 20-25 ml) and let it react for only 1.5 hr.s. Part of the reason for this was(quite frankly) I was afraid of the stuff. Well, I have an endless supply of the ingredients, thanks to Baquacil! I'll have to have a good ice supply on hand next time when I shoot for a better yield. BOY WAS THAT STUFF FUN TO SET OFF!

<small>[ April 28, 2002, 09:22 PM: Message edited by: krimmie ]</small>

[Arkangel]

Baquacil.......mmmmmmmm

Before I go and balls something up here. I've assumed that the baquacil I ordered was 27% H2O2 and water, however, the datasheet says it is:

"a 20% aqueous solution of polymeric biguanide hydrochloride, CAS-No 27083-27-8".

A search on the web only produced the same MSDS info as came with the product.

Being as I now have quite a lot of the stuff I am rather keen to know if it's "safe", or whether I will end up with some super unstable products when I use it. Ideas anyone?

[Zambosan]

I think that's just an algicide.

<small>[ July 18, 2002, 01:18 AM: Message edited by: Zambosan ]</small>

[Arkangel]

Gadzooks, you are indeed correct.

On the containers (They appear to have sent me 8, 5 litre containers) it says that "BAQUACIL is one product in a 3 product system. It should be used with BAQUA SHOCK and BAQUA CHECK"

So at least in the UK, Baqua Shock is the stuff you want.

Cheers Zambosan

[electric emu]

I just dreamed up my second batch of ap using baquacil (cost 12.50) for h2o2 and i got alot more crystals than i expected, about 3/5 of the solution was ap and i just got to try it yesterday, a 9mm shell full of it blew a little metal car into a few pieces, im excited. Now i want to dream up some annm. Im scared of that ap.

P.S. colemans sells waterproof fuse for 17.50 per 100' and i got that and it seems nice.

<small>[ May 10, 2002, 12:11 AM: Message edited by: electric emu ]</small>

[Wicked]

Hrm, I've been wanting to make AP, but I cant really get the balls to make the shit :( .

Anyone know the safest method?
What about the best way to wash it? I really dont want to blow myself to bits at such a young age. Any help would be apriciated(spelling?) :)

[kingspaz]

wicked, have you any experience with black powder or flash powder?
walk before you jump <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> that way you'll still have hands when your 20 :) ....make black powder then progress to flash powder before actual detonating explosives.

[Wicked]

Been there done that.

[A_W]

Why don`t you start out with HMTD (like me)? The procedure for making HMTD is (quite) safe. It is the finished explosive that is dangerous, but if it has been neutralized properly, and you treat it like it should be treated, than you shouldn`t have a problem. But if you really want to make AP, I think the difference between AP, and HMTD isn`t that big. (but I have never made AP)

When it comes to neutralizing, 00Buckshot had a great idea:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> To neutralize I use the coffee filter as a tea bag, and just hold under the tap for a minute or so, then I dunk the tea bag into the bicarb mix a few times making sure that all the bubbles stop. Then I hold it under the tap again for a minute.
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[xoo1246]

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[A_W]

xoo1246, are you sure that the HMTD will not dissolve in the acetone? (that`s what I`ve heard). In that case, the yield will decrease.

One of the reasons I love HMTD, is that you need no dangerous chemicals, unlike AP, where you can`t use citric acid, and have to use mineral-acids like HCl.

[xoo1246]

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[Wicked]

Ok, thanks for the info, I'm gunna start with HTMD, since I want my hands at the age of fifteen. Anyone know the best way to make it? What about the exact way to wash it (yet again I want my hands. As nbk put it "not "stumpy"" in refrence to "8 month old AP")

:)

[Zach]

you should start out by editing your post, wicked. then move on to the search page and find a thread on washing procedures and such.

[Wicked]

Some people know better ways and they dont post it, zach. besides, do you know how many freaking results it would pop up?

[Lazy01001]

Heh heh, I have known wicked for a while, and the kid does know what he is talking about. As for washing it... I'd rather have someone else do it, while I cower behind a blast shield.

[Wicked]

ANSON! YOU WHOREBAG FROM HELL! :p

(Get it back on topic or topic closes)

<small>[ May 12, 2002, 01:09 AM: Message edited by: PYRO500 ]</small>

[A_W]

Wicked, just look up a topic called "HMTD". The topic is 3 pages long, and should contain all the info you need about making/washing HMTD. The making of HMTD isn`t dangerous, neither is the washing. It is preparing and detonating the finished HMTD charges that is dangerous.

[xoo1246]

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[Wicked]

:) ok tyvm dude, and yeah, im not going to be making anymore than three grams at a time. laters.

[A_W]

Okay, maybe I shouldn`t say that it is NOT dangerous, but if you follow the procedure and don`t do obvious mistakes, like using metal containers or impure chemicals, not using ice-bath etc. the danger of making HMTD isn`t really that big.

If you add the hexamine too fast, the mixture may overheat and start to steam. You have to dump the mixture into a bucket of water, and loose the entire batch, but at least you won`t have to deal with NO2.

The danger of overheating increases along with the size of the batch, so like xoo said; stick to small batches. I now make them 3/5 of the normal size, but I started with 1/5. The yield is (obviously) smaller, but so is the danger.

If it overheats, it will (most likely) not explode. This has never happened to me, so I really can`t tell you what happens to a batch that overheats and is not dumped. (I think it will boil and steam for a while, and then settle down.)

What I can say for certain, is that HMTD is ALOT safer than most other high-explosives (wich recuire nitric acid).

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[electric emu]

Ive never made htmd before but i just saw the topic that said esbit could be used and i have that and the rest of the chemicals.

<small>[ May 14, 2002, 07:39 PM: Message edited by: electric emu ]</small>

[A_W]

Electric emu, do you have any experiance with BP and flashpowder? In that case, I reccomend HMTD as your first HE. Really easy to make. The process itself is quite safe, if you don`t make any big mistakes, and stay to the recipie.

What is the conc. of your H2O2? Mine is 6%, and works fine. I don`t use Esbit, but my tablets (Coghlans) seem to be very pure hex. Make sure that your H2O2 is fresh, since old (exposed to air and light) has probably decomposed, and it will be to weak.

[electric emu]

I have some 27% baquacil that is only about a month old and have had some experience with bp but not much with flash powder.

[inferno]

Just a question, how did you detonate AP in a 9mm shell? You couldn't fit much of det. charge (say BP) in there..

[DBSP]

He just might have used a fuse. :D

[electric emu]

Yea, I used some fuse and put tp around it to keep it in now for bigger things.

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[Duriel]

All my AP (a stunning 30g!!!) has always exploded on me (well not ON me, but around me) and left a big mess to clean up. Maybe that's just me

[mr.evil]

if you working with organic peroxides, you must be MUCH more carefuller, you just can't make stupid mistakes with explosives. Don't just think at yourself(maybe you don't give a damn about your live) but also think about the ones of others... don't see this as a flame but just at a correction.

[Duriel]

if me working with organic peroxides, ill be much more carefuller in the future!!!

lol

im careful... but the climate here is dry and hot..... so its hard to keep the stuff from cooking off, short of using 100 humidifiers and running the air conditioning on full blast

[A_W]

Are you using an ice-bath? (wich I highly reccomend that you do). If so, I don`t see a reason for your runaways.

Did the 30 grams actually detonate?? How close were you to it when it went off? 30 grams is quite a bang if you`re only yards away <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

[BrAiNFeVeR]

30 grams (if dry) will definately detonate !!!

I hand about 20 grams detonating 2-3 meters away from me once, and I can assure you, it is quite a blast !!!
You like, get a real smack all over your body from the shockwave and all the debris that is thrown up by it (if you're lucky and the AP wasn't in some container, otherwise you get some schrapnel with it), beside temporal deafness and a few minor scratches nothing happened to me.
My face was all red though, exitement or all small burst blood veins, I don't know ...

[xoo1246]

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[DBSP]

How and why did it detonate??

[Duriel]

Probably the same reason why nitro detonates...

[andreas]

whell I once had a batch of 20 grams ap go off 4 meters away from me
I think the reason it detonated was because the deflagration on the outside of the pile made confinement enough for the rest to detonate.
It was quite a blast my father heard it a few blocks away. The reason I did this test was becouse it was my first batch with 30%h2o2 and it was an unexpected high yeild,about 60 grams.
So the obvious thing to do to me was coocking it in portions :D