Baquacil

[glock]

Hi,
I'm looking to see if anyone can tell me the exact product name of the Baquacil that contains the 27% hydrogen peroxide. I looked on their website and they had no information about the hydrogen peroxide content, and they have several products such as sanitizer, shock and oxidizer, and algicide. I tried a search on the forum but all I found was that the baquacil spa type is only 7% so thats no good. Also, does anyone know how much a gallon of the 27% Baquacil costs?

Thanks,
~glock

[0EZ0]

Baquacil is not the best source for H2O2. If you live where i live then it will cost you up to $150 for a very small amount like 5 litres <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> . Shop around. Visit some pool stores and see what they have. I have found numerous stores selling up to 60% H2O2. The first place i went to had 15 Litre drums of 15% H2O2 for $50!
Run a search for the topic "7 litres of 60% H2O2". It has some usefull information.

[RTC]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Exact product name</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Erm.. "Baquacil" MAYBE?!

Chemist's sell h2o2, it's used as many things, from a mouthwash, to a deoderant, to hair bleach, to clothes bleach.

You'll be hard pressed NOT to find a source of it.

[Anthony]

Name one mouthwash that contains 30% H2O2...

[RTC]

Not 30%, but 3%. If you buy some Hydrogen Peroxide from the chemist, look on the back of the label and it says: "Can be used as either a deoderant or a mouthwash"

[kingspaz]

it definately does. but it also says to dilute it!

[glock]

Well guys, I went to the local pool supply store today and they didn't have any Baquacil brand products, but I was able to find some BioGuard brand 27.5% peroxide for 14$ a gallon. Heres some pics...

Bottle:
<img src="http://www.magicalcheese.com/uploads/peroxide3.jpg" alt="" />

Front Label:
<img src="http://www.magicalcheese.com/uploads/peroxide2.jpg" alt="" />

Back Label:
<img src="http://www.magicalcheese.com/uploads/peroxide1.jpg" alt="" />

By the way, <a href="http://www.magicalcheese.com/upload/fileman.cgi" target="_blank">http://www.magicalcheese.com/upload/fileman.cgi</a> has an anonymous image dump, you don't need a user account or anything, no quotas, and its pretty fast :)

[nbk2000]

I noticed on the closeup of the label that it contains "surface active agents" AKA detergents. I don't know if this would be hazardous when making AP.

Someone who's had baquacil should see if the label says it has detergents or not. If it doesn't, you should make the extra effort to get that instead. After all, you only have ten fingers to lose, right? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[Mick]

it would have been a good idea to search the forum first.

<a href="http://www.roguesci.org/cgi-bin/ewforum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000345" target="_blank">7 litres of 60% h2o2</a>

infact, you didn't even need to search for it, its on the first page about 20 topic down from the top.

[EventHorizon]

Get a generic brand of BaquaShock, not Baquacil; I beleive that they are two differnet chemicals. I found one called PolyShock which was 27% H2O2 without any detergents or stabilizers.

[xoo1246]

Our paint-stores sell 17.5% H202 somewhat cheap, obvioulsy yours don't. It's technical grade and seems to perform better than my medical grade 35%(faster reaction).

<small>[ March 24, 2002, 12:49 PM: Message edited by: xoo1246 ]</small>

[glock]

I had a dream about a batch of AP using the BioGuard 24 hours ago with 165ml acetone, 100ml 27.5% h2o2, and 25ml 30% HCl. So far the results seem pretty good. I uploaded a pic called ap_24hours.jpg into the forum ftp in the -=Uploads=- directory. The ap crystals are pretty big and fluffy, I'm pretty sure its trimer. I'd appreciate any feedback.

Thanks.

[Ctrl_C]

Baquacil's full name is "Chlorine-free Baquacil Shock and Oxidizer."

I think it cost me $12-15 for a gallon.

<img src="ftp://ewf:df447jh4@209.195.155.80/Hosted%20Images/baquacil.jpg" alt="" />
<a href="ftp://ewf:df447jh4@209.195.155.80/Hosted%20Images/baquacil.jpg" target="_blank">Baquacil</a>

[nbk2000]

Glock, it seems that image dump only holds pictures for a few days before clearing them out.

[glock]

Ya I noticed the links weren't showing up :( I guess they randomly clean out the pics in the main directory. You can also create other directories though, and they havn't wiped out my directory yet. I'll have to experiment with their service some more.

[Cricket]

Hi all. I was looking for a closer store a while ago and noticed that they have some kind of new Baquacil stuff. Baquacil Ultra <a href="http://www.baquacilultra.com/" target="_blank">http://www.baquacilultra.com/</a> is the name of it and it was somewhat implied in their website that it is pretty much the same as the regular Baquacil that we have came to know and love, but more "robust" and so I think and hope there is more % of H2O2 in there then regular. I might be needing some later this week, but I don't know if I can buy it (just waisted $50 on N2O in the last two days and am all out now). Anyway, maybe someone can check this out or has already. Let me know if you would, and if this has been mentioned already, sorry.

<small>[ April 03, 2002, 01:45 AM: Message edited by: Cricket ]</small>

[vulture]

taken from the website:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> Note: BAQUACIL ULTRA SHOCK AND OXIDIZER is a strong oxidizer. The BAQUACIL ULTRA SHOCK AND OXIDIZER container has a vented cap</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Vented cap means peroxide concentration above 50%..... :D

more:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> ....This could start a fire if it touches combustible materials...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Now this is the good news, only hydrogen peroxide of 60% and more can ignite combustible material! Go get this stuff!

<small>[ April 03, 2002, 03:54 AM: Message edited by: vulture ]</small>

[Arkangel]

Unless I am a complete dullard, Baquacil is not a brand name in the uk, I've spent a while looking this morning. Does anyone know of a similar product here?

[RTC]

I emailed the company sometime asking them if they stocked the product in the UK, the reply (which came pretty quickly surprisingly) was YES!

I forget WHERE they stock it :rolleyes: but if you email them again, i'm sure they'll be pretty pleased to tell you where you can get at it.

[Arkangel]

Hmmmm, tried that and they don't supply the "ultra" to the UK, just the regular stuff. Anyone heard of a brand name for 60% in the uk?

(Trouble is, there are so few pools here, just the commercial ones as we're too poor and it's too fucking cold eh?)

[RTC]

There's plenty of places to get 60vol h²o² from, I myself have a liter of it for around £8. And the place I got it from has nothing to do with pools.

You just have to use your noodle and search :)

[nbk2000]

Ah, but volume and percentage are totally different beasts.

For instance, I have 40 volume peroxide, but that's 12% actual H2O2.

So 60% would be about 180 volume. BIG difference.

Also, I have a file called "chem.pdf" on the FTP (1.51Mb) that has several useful chemical processes. One of these is making anhydrous crystalline(!) H2O2 from the high percentage H2O2 (60% or higher).

A mix of acetone/H202 (70% or higher) is a liquid high explosive itself. Not like AP, but more like NG.

[vulture]

60% is 200 volumes.
Actually it's easy to calculate, if the water content = 100 vol then the peroxide content has to be 200 vol in order to attain 60%.

Hmm, according to my chemistry encyclopedia 90% peroxide can't be detonated but catalytic decomposition can be explosive... hmmm... bit confusing... :confused:

[Arkangel]

I'm going to ask a simple newbie type question now, and I'm a little embarrassed about it, but isn't it possible to boil off the water in 3%/30% H2O2 like you would to get fuming sulphuric acid?

[vulture]

There's a thread going on about it: <a href="http://www.roguesci.org/cgi-bin/ewforum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000324" target="_blank">concentrating H2O2</a>
Can't believe you missed, right under this one....

Second, you can't make fuming sulfuric acid by heating it. Max is 98% -> azeotrope.

Not a good impression you made there.... :rolleyes:

[Arkangel]

Ouch, what a plank, just thought I'd take the opportunity while people were talking about the stuff. Opportunism is not always a good idea - sorry!

[nbk2000]

The pure peroxide itself may not be explosive, but once you add a fuel, and an explosive shock...decomposition + ignition + combustion = BOOM!

:D

[glock]

Has anyone actually tried detonating a concentrated h2o2 and acetone mixture yet?

Hmm...

[vulture]

That better be extremely pure acetone, because dust particles already can cause violent H2O2 decomposition. Result -> Hot powerful stream of singular oxygen, O2 and O3 evolving from the H2O2 while you're adding acetone... not good.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

[Cricket]

Hmmm, looks like I may have found something worth while. I am wanting to do this now and hopefully I am planning on getting a small lab and pyrotechincal workplace set up whthin the year hopefully. It will be a while, but in the end I will be happy. So anyway, I didn't get to buy any Ultra Baquacil, I spent all my money on stupid AN and other various LE addatives trying to make a rocket. I failed miserably :mad: . I tried Ammonpulver and other simular compositions and nothing would burn except KNO3 and sugar (not that good even) and so I guess my AN was no good (too much moisture I guess). Anyway, back to the topic, I haven't got to try it and I won't be able to for a while. Maybe someone else can have the honors. I have to go. Good luck.

<small>[ April 09, 2002, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: Cricket ]</small>

[Donald]

I realize this thread is 6 years old, but I wanted to point something out for those of you who purchase Baquacil Ultra in search of higher H2O2 concentrations.

The Ultra does not have a higher H2O2 content. I repeat does not.

It actually has an added fungicide, and same amount of peroxide as standard Baquacil.

Just wanted to stop anyone who is buying it thinking it has 60% concentration due to the vented cap discussed.

[SafetyLast]

I haven't seen Baquacil in my area in a long time, I've been having some real trouble trying to find other good pool chemicals as well. Is the Shock and Oxidizer still commonly available as it used to be? I have heard some people on this forum say that they can buy higher concentration H2O2 (60-65%) from garden centers and hydroponics supply companies, this highly concentrated form should not be used directly for producing explosive peroxides, but can be diluted before use. I'm reminded of "Aurol" from Rudolf Meyer's Explosives 5th Edition which was a mixture of 80-86% H2O2 and something else not sure what.
This and Perhydrol which I believe are used in submarines for launching torpedos.