(Kryptonite) Cylindrical Locks

[Sparky]

I was surprised to find that this story hasn't appeared on the Forum yet, so I thought I might as well call attention to it.

There is quite a buzz going on right now around certain kryptonite bike locks and claims that they can be opened easily with the outside of a bic pen. Searching google provides lots of links, including:

The globe and mail:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040918/KRYPTONITE18/TPNational/Canada

And a bike forum

http://www.cyclingplus.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=38929 (http://www.cyclingplus.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=38929)

Now, Kryptonite is taking a lot of heat from this but I suppose the picking technique would work for any cylindrical lock.

No doubt lots of people on the forum here own U locks or other locks with tubular keys that they could try picking this way. How about a little R&D, folks? I urge forumites to try it an post their experiences.

BTW, my experience:
I own a Magnum brand lock, which has a key that is slightly larger in diameter than the Kryptonite locks. As a result, a stardard bic pen does not work (nor do the other pens I have on hand) and I'm away from my workshop and facilities so I can't very well try other plastic tubes.

[nbk2000]

I own a kryptonite U-lock. I'll have to give it a try myself. ;)

In the meantime, someone want to copy all the movies to a folder on the FTP and call it "Kryptonite Lock Defeat Movies"? :)

[WMD]

I've tried it yesterday with a tubular padlock and some pens I had lying around. The only one that worked was one that didn't have a really hard shell, more like a very solid rubber. But I've seen it done with rolled up cardboard, too. Just cut out some cardboard from a toilet paper roll, roll it up to the desired diameter and keep it in place with some gaffer tape.

[nbk2000]

So it does work then? What kind of tubular lock was it? No-name? ACE? How many pins, offset, etc.?

[WMD]

I just have two 7 pin no-name locks. But it worked on both of them. Apart from that, it seems like most Kryptonites are vulnerable, but I don't own one. Not yet. And my pen of choice at the moment is the Paper Mate Flexgrip Ultra from Bic, very good picking performance. In the US Krypto has already started a call-back. In Germany this just started appearing on some biking boards. I wonder whether the price of this particular pen will rise...

[nbk2000]

Wonder how vending machine tubulars would hold up. ;)

Also, be sure that the recall won't reach the vast majority of people, as most don't keep track of shit like this unless it appears on Primetime Live or some other, equally tripe, show.

[Hobbit Porn]

another site that has the videos for download is here
http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/kryptonite.asp

[nbk2000]

I tried it, using a flexgrip ultra, on my Kryptonite Plus U-lock, but was unable to effect an opening.

'Course, I also wasn't going to test my $50 lock to destruction either...

[A-BOMB]

I tried this with a couple of pens on a vending machine outsid the local quikymart, and after trying a couple of pens it worked!(cheap thin walled dollar store pen). Though I couldn't get the door open because of the pad lock they had on the side. I wish this would work with other locks, but most of the lock on vending machines around here and now medico lock(thats the ones with the pins on the side instead of the top, right?) because our local community nigger attractor opps college had a very sucessful locksmith program a while back and there was a group of niggers that took the course and stole a bunch of tubular lock picks and started hitting all the local vending machines, there was a time where they were changing the lock on the machines almost every other day. And this was going on for months, until the JBTs caught three of them stealing all the pepis out of these machine at the local wallymart.

[nbk2000]

I've got a vending machine. I'll try this on the lock on there too.

There's a tool called the "bi passel" at:

http://www.mcdonalddash.com/stealth.htm

that's capable of defeating the medeco vending machine locks that use only a single pin set, rather than the dual pin like the typical medeco door lock.

Someone with a drill press and the proper stock materials could turn these things out by the dozen. ;)

The hockey puck locks that you usually see on the side of the machines are the real buggers, but that's do-able too.

Having spent $40 to get one made of a block of case-hardened solid steel instead of the cheaper aluminum body ones found on every other machine I've seen, I'm getting one of the cheap aluminium ones to use to make drilling templates for forcible entry. :)

Next is to buy a puck lock specifically designed to be immune to such attack methods, and then to develop unique defeats for THAT lock, but cost is yet unknown 'cause the fuckers never answer their phone, only the answering machine, and RTPB says never leave messages on answering machines, so I don't.

PS:
While searching for aluminum alloy specs, I found this site:

http://www.aluminiumcasting.net/

What do you see at the bottom left-hand corner? :D

[CypherNinja]

Just for the sake of people here who don't know about it, Lockpicking101 (http://www.lockpicking101.com) is an excellant community comprised of hobby pickers and professionals. Theres plenty of info there about defeating various locking mechanisms through manual and mechanized picking, as well as impressioning. Impressioning is the type of technique being employed here, BTW.



FYI: They'll ban you if they think your going use the info for less than stellar activities. I like the place alot so please nobody go and start shit. They'll probably find this post. :(

[nbk2000]

They've been mentioned before and, as mentioned, got a self-rightous attitude, a lot of which consists of the "I know how to do [whatever] but I'm not going to tell you because you might do something 'wrong' with it."

Whatever. :rolleyes:

Who needs that bullshit.

[tom haggen]

I've been picking pin tumbler locks for some time now. I have also been picking waffer tumbler locks too. I really haven't tried to pick any tubular cylindar locks. I always thought that they were supposed to be more difficult to pick. I can't believe you guys are having so much success with them. :confused: