KY Liquid Explosive

[nbk2000]

I was reading the label for K-Y liquid lube, and noticed how everything on there seems to be nitratable.

After reading the patent (US588559) for it, this is the ingredients list:

30% glycerin
10% sorbitol
5% propylene glycol
<1% other stuff
Remainder water

Dissicate to remove water, nitrate the mix as-is, purify, then rehydrate to proper 'lubricosity'

Of course, you could start with just the base ingredients from other sources and mix it up afterwards.

Purpose?

Who'd think sex-lube could be an explosive, and who'd check? So, naturally, it's for covert purposes when a small amount needs to pass scrutiny, or simply for the fun of having made an exploding sex-lube! :cool:

This is what comes from having too much free-time...idle hands and all that. ;) :D

[Oktogen]

nice idea NBK,
Nitroesters such as nitroglycerin, EGDN, myrol are medicines which lower the blood pressure and broaden blood vessels, so they are also aphrodisiacs which could be used instead of viagra... !!! they improve the ammount of blood in these parts of the body :D
But dehydrating of this stuff is just wasting time. This liquid would probably be also expensive, so I prefer just nitrate glycol or PE and leave sex shops alone... ;)

[Bert]

Twat was that explosion?

[cyclonite4]

LOL, good one Bert. :D

I wonder how much 'shock' or 'heat' it would need to initiate. It reminds me of in the NBK pdf, the part about the SPTs (Strawberry Pop Tart). A method was outlined in which one could be murdered using SPT technology. Maybe one could swap the mark's supply of KY with the explosive version?

Just curious, why were you looking up the patent for KY? :rolleyes:

[Jacks Complete]

cyclonite, I shudder at the http://www.roguesci.org/theforum/images/icons/icon13.gifidle handshttp://www.roguesci.org/theforum/images/icons/icon14.gif bit!

Seriously, though, if you nitrated this stuff, it would set off any explosives sensors or dogs, so you would still have to be careful. Useful for the secret agent, I supposit... Could help with hiding things... :eek:

[Silentnite]

Actually I think it might be detrimental to hiding things. As the common method for drug smugglers is in the Ass Cavity, I dont think using NBK*s modified product would facilitate the *Hiding* of anything.

Back on topic, isnt this along the lines of something I read on here about using those old toothpaste tubes by uncrimping and filling with explosive?

Obligatory joke of *I guess that made his teeth Pearly Gate White* har har.

[nbk2000]

Just goes to show you can make an explosive out of almost anything if you keep your eyes open.

And reading patents is an integral part of that.

'Idle hands' is indeed how I 'came' upon the idea in the first place. :p (sorry...horrible pun.)

Not every airport in the world has explosives detectors, so then they're relying on people to find the explosive, and so hiding it is important.

Just another tool in the toolbox.

As with any explosive it will require an initiator, so hoping that'll explode from friction ;) isn't going to work.

Though...the dialation of arteries gives me the idea that, if the target had low blood pressure or some other circulatory problem, perhaps this would help them into the void.

I'm glad someone remembers the SPT! :D

Silentnite, what's wrong with your comma ' key? You always use a * instead.

[nbk2000]

Just goes to show you can make an explosive out of almost anything if you keep your eyes open.

And reading patents is an integral part of that.

'Idle hands' is indeed how I 'came' upon the idea in the first place. :p (sorry...horrible pun.)

Not every airport in the world has explosives detectors, so then they're relying on people to find the explosive, and so hiding it is important.

Just another tool in the toolbox.

As with any explosive it will require an initiator, so hoping that'll explode from friction ;) isn't going to work.

Though...the dialation of arteries gives me the idea that, if the target had low blood pressure or some other circulatory problem, perhaps this would help them into the void.

I'm glad someone remembers the SPT! :D

Silentnite, what's wrong with your comma ' key? You always use a * instead.

[nbk2000]

Just goes to show you can make an explosive out of almost anything if you keep your eyes open.

And reading patents is an integral part of that.

'Idle hands' is indeed how I 'came' upon the idea in the first place. :p (sorry...horrible pun.)

Not every airport in the world has explosives detectors, so then they're relying on people to find the explosive, and so hiding it is important.

Just another tool in the toolbox.

As with any explosive it will require an initiator, so hoping that'll explode from friction ;) isn't going to work.

Though...the dialation of arteries gives me the idea that, if the target had low blood pressure or some other circulatory problem, perhaps this would help them into the void.

I'm glad someone remembers the SPT! :D

Silentnite, what's wrong with your comma ' key? You always use a * instead.

[VX]

There is no reason to think that the nitrated KY would have any of the lubricating (or other) properties of KY. Nitrated glycerine, NG will not dissolve in water to any great extent anyway. Colour, smell, texture, viscosity are all likely to change and the end product is likely to bear very little resemblance to KY.

I can see the use of this as a potential source of things to nitrate. , but as the end product is unlikely to pass for KY anyway, surely it would be better (more simple. less purification etc) just to make some NG, or other explosive and put that into the KY tube.

[VX]

There is no reason to think that the nitrated KY would have any of the lubricating (or other) properties of KY. Nitrated glycerine, NG will not dissolve in water to any great extent anyway. Colour, smell, texture, viscosity are all likely to change and the end product is likely to bear very little resemblance to KY.

I can see the use of this as a potential source of things to nitrate. , but as the end product is unlikely to pass for KY anyway, surely it would be better (more simple. less purification etc) just to make some NG, or other explosive and put that into the KY tube.

[VX]

There is no reason to think that the nitrated KY would have any of the lubricating (or other) properties of KY. Nitrated glycerine, NG will not dissolve in water to any great extent anyway. Colour, smell, texture, viscosity are all likely to change and the end product is likely to bear very little resemblance to KY.

I can see the use of this as a potential source of things to nitrate. , but as the end product is unlikely to pass for KY anyway, surely it would be better (more simple. less purification etc) just to make some NG, or other explosive and put that into the KY tube.

[cyclonite4]

As with any explosive it will require an initiator, so hoping that'll explode from friction isn't going to work.

IIRC glyceryl trinitrate is supposed to be quite sensitive, so 'friction' ;) may initiate it, unless it is stabilised by the other products.

A little OT here, but I first found out about the SPTs from a website I found when serching up the 'exploding grapes phenomenon' (this was long before I joined RS) and I was kicking myself for hours over the SPT experiment. Much later, when I got ahold of your pdf, I was quite amused to find seomone found an application for the SPT technology. :cool:

[cyclonite4]

As with any explosive it will require an initiator, so hoping that'll explode from friction isn't going to work.

IIRC glyceryl trinitrate is supposed to be quite sensitive, so 'friction' ;) may initiate it, unless it is stabilised by the other products.

A little OT here, but I first found out about the SPTs from a website I found when serching up the 'exploding grapes phenomenon' (this was long before I joined RS) and I was kicking myself for hours over the SPT experiment. Much later, when I got ahold of your pdf, I was quite amused to find seomone found an application for the SPT technology. :cool:

[cyclonite4]

As with any explosive it will require an initiator, so hoping that'll explode from friction isn't going to work.

IIRC glyceryl trinitrate is supposed to be quite sensitive, so 'friction' ;) may initiate it, unless it is stabilised by the other products.

A little OT here, but I first found out about the SPTs from a website I found when serching up the 'exploding grapes phenomenon' (this was long before I joined RS) and I was kicking myself for hours over the SPT experiment. Much later, when I got ahold of your pdf, I was quite amused to find seomone found an application for the SPT technology. :cool:

[Silentnite]

The problem is that I am using a keyboard that my father spilt pop on. Therefore the question mark, apostrophe, and slash dont work. While P, plus sign, and backspace stick. A new keyboard is on my shopping list, and I will probably pick one up tomorrow.

Anyways. It would probably be a little easier to make it prior, and then fill an empty tube. The neat part is, you could include a little RF electronic ignitor given the extra space. A good havoc idea would be to reverse-shoplift, and as your walking out of the store, light the proverbial fuse.

[Silentnite]

The problem is that I am using a keyboard that my father spilt pop on. Therefore the question mark, apostrophe, and slash dont work. While P, plus sign, and backspace stick. A new keyboard is on my shopping list, and I will probably pick one up tomorrow.

Anyways. It would probably be a little easier to make it prior, and then fill an empty tube. The neat part is, you could include a little RF electronic ignitor given the extra space. A good havoc idea would be to reverse-shoplift, and as your walking out of the store, light the proverbial fuse.

[Silentnite]

The problem is that I am using a keyboard that my father spilt pop on. Therefore the question mark, apostrophe, and slash dont work. While P, plus sign, and backspace stick. A new keyboard is on my shopping list, and I will probably pick one up tomorrow.

Anyways. It would probably be a little easier to make it prior, and then fill an empty tube. The neat part is, you could include a little RF electronic ignitor given the extra space. A good havoc idea would be to reverse-shoplift, and as your walking out of the store, light the proverbial fuse.

[Jacks Complete]

Both quality ideas. Just don't forget that burning down a crowded shop is going to get you in deep shit, and they probably have security cameras.

What might be more funny, and less traceable, would be an RFID tag initiator. Someone buys it, walks out the store, and Whoosh!

The new keyboard is a somewhat safer bet, at £4!

[Jacks Complete]

Both quality ideas. Just don't forget that burning down a crowded shop is going to get you in deep shit, and they probably have security cameras.

What might be more funny, and less traceable, would be an RFID tag initiator. Someone buys it, walks out the store, and Whoosh!

The new keyboard is a somewhat safer bet, at £4!

[Jacks Complete]

Both quality ideas. Just don't forget that burning down a crowded shop is going to get you in deep shit, and they probably have security cameras.

What might be more funny, and less traceable, would be an RFID tag initiator. Someone buys it, walks out the store, and Whoosh!

The new keyboard is a somewhat safer bet, at £4!

[spat]

Just taint a few products (or even just the packaging) with some residue (of anything nitrated, not even necessarily explosive, just something that "smells" explosive) then plant them in places (like airport gift shops) outside of the "secure" zone and watch the show when someone buys it and trys to make it by the airport security goons.

Boy, sometimes I think the world is lucky I'm a nice guy :)

[spat]

Just taint a few products (or even just the packaging) with some residue (of anything nitrated, not even necessarily explosive, just something that "smells" explosive) then plant them in places (like airport gift shops) outside of the "secure" zone and watch the show when someone buys it and trys to make it by the airport security goons.

Boy, sometimes I think the world is lucky I'm a nice guy :)

[spat]

Just taint a few products (or even just the packaging) with some residue (of anything nitrated, not even necessarily explosive, just something that "smells" explosive) then plant them in places (like airport gift shops) outside of the "secure" zone and watch the show when someone buys it and trys to make it by the airport security goons.

Boy, sometimes I think the world is lucky I'm a nice guy :)

[skier4life99]

All very interesting ideas... what would keep someone from using a KY tube to store explosives to carry onto a flight? Can you imagine what lengths a sec. guard would have to go to make sure that it's really KY? No way are they gonna try to prove that in the middle of evertything going on in an airport. Hmmm... all the ideas that come during idle hands time...

[skier4life99]

All very interesting ideas... what would keep someone from using a KY tube to store explosives to carry onto a flight? Can you imagine what lengths a sec. guard would have to go to make sure that it's really KY? No way are they gonna try to prove that in the middle of evertything going on in an airport. Hmmm... all the ideas that come during idle hands time...

[skier4life99]

All very interesting ideas... what would keep someone from using a KY tube to store explosives to carry onto a flight? Can you imagine what lengths a sec. guard would have to go to make sure that it's really KY? No way are they gonna try to prove that in the middle of evertything going on in an airport. Hmmm... all the ideas that come during idle hands time...

[nbk2000]

Ohhh...an RFID initiator!

Imagine a circuit that, when exposed to the RFID detection field, became hot enough to ignite the flammable paper packaging of the product within.

Enough of this happens, it becomes an urban legend that RFID tags KILL!! :eek:

Thus putting an end, or at least requiring a very expensive PR campaign to continue with, their use. :p

[nbk2000]

Ohhh...an RFID initiator!

Imagine a circuit that, when exposed to the RFID detection field, became hot enough to ignite the flammable paper packaging of the product within.

Enough of this happens, it becomes an urban legend that RFID tags KILL!! :eek:

Thus putting an end, or at least requiring a very expensive PR campaign to continue with, their use. :p

[nbk2000]

Ohhh...an RFID initiator!

Imagine a circuit that, when exposed to the RFID detection field, became hot enough to ignite the flammable paper packaging of the product within.

Enough of this happens, it becomes an urban legend that RFID tags KILL!! :eek:

Thus putting an end, or at least requiring a very expensive PR campaign to continue with, their use. :p

[Diabolique]

Silentnite, back in the 70's, when I building my first computer, that was called the 'Pepsi Syndrom' from a technogeek that knocked over a container of that beverage into the top of what prior to that was a multimillion dollar (then) mainframe computer .....

I take it no one has gotten liquid nitro compounds on their skin. Why do you think nitroglycerin is such a BIG headache to use? Put a couple of drops of NG into the K-Y tube, and what started out as a pleasnt experience rapidly becomes "Not tonight, dear, I've got a headache."

[Jacks Complete]

Diabolique, yes, hence the idea about using it non-explosively to off a target. Sadly, I think it would only really be effective against women, though, since if the BP drops, so does the erection, hence the guy will clean up and take an aspirin. Assuming the KY still acts like KY, of course.

[Zajcek]

Oktogen, I would not recommend anyone to use nitrites instead of Viagra to broaden your blood vessels in private parts of your body. Some of them are absorbed through skin and will cause major headaches.

Try inhaling some amyl nitrite and watch your solder if it will stand straight ;). Because of low blood pressure and expanded blood vessels, your erection will be poor. Gay people often use that kind of drugs to relax their anal muscles and allow easier penetration.

NBK2000, it would probably be possible to make explosive RFID tags. Especially the ones that are used for protecting the goods in some stores. They are quite big. They are made of a simple oscillator made form capacitor and copper wire coil or of two metal plates that vibrate at the transmitters frequency. Receiver then pics up that signal and triggers the alarm. These tags are often used on clothes to prevent stealing.

You could make a small circuit that can detect an EM signal of about 50 kHz ( i think that these antennas operate at this freq. not sure ) and trigger the explosive charge. When the guy at the counter wants to deactivate the tag, it will explode, or if someone tries to steal it, it will explode when he comes between the two antennas. Maybe the vibration of the two metal plates could set of an explosive. In theory, it would be possible, but I don't know how will it perform in real world.

[Flamethrowa]

The alleged mechanism of Nitroglycerin as an aphrodisiac is that with the widening of the blood vessels in that area, more blood will be able to flow in. Whether the heart can keep up the required pressure, well, who knows.
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However I have a friend, who after considerable pressure, succumbed to our demands and decided to try, well, nitroglycerin enhanced autoeroticism.
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Though the amount used was very little (although in all respects quite probably larger than a medical dosage for such an application), he described (in addition to his nitroache) a pain in his genitalia which "felt like a cruise missile".
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I don't remember if he said it was 'better' or not, I think I was laughing too hard. An experiment not to be repeated.

[HoS]

I remember our mutual friend on that one.

Now if I were making a headache causeing lube, I would start with NG and add water and refill an empty KY tube with it and place it at where the poor bastard you're going to do this to's house(Or where ever you can/want to plant the nitrolube).

[infinityshock]

Why would you want to waste a perfectly good tube of lube on anything other than your girlfriend?

++++++++++

Why would you want to lube yourself up for a reaming by not capitalizing the beginning of your sentence? :p

NBK

[Cindor]

NG is not soluble in water. Maybe NG, glycerine, water and soap ?

[nocturnalfrost]

The Nitrogen is what will separate from the glycerine in water. This makes it water soluble.

[Cindor]

If you are saying that N2 is going to separate from glycerine when the NG is in water you are just talking bullsh!t. NG doesn't reacts with water.

When you make NG you got 2 layers... one with NG and one with water/acids... for washing NG you can use bicarb. solution... NaHCO3 IN WATER !

[Red Beret]

One of the more nasty ideas I have had:

Get (or make) some pepper spray and mix it into a tube of KY or similar.

Can you imagine it!?!:eek:

The horror....the horror....:D

[knowledgehungry]

Mixing MEKP into the KY explosive would certainly increase the pain of contact with it. For anyone who has experienced an MEKP "burn" can you imagine it "there":eek:.

MEKP might also raise the chance of the explosive being initiated by friction :p.

*I'm just running with the joke. Please do not believe that I believe any of these ideas would really work*

[atlas#11]

Hmm, make the liquid ignite on contact with water. Try using sodium hydrosulfite or something else equaly evil kept under an oil of some kind in a mixture with nitroglycerine or mekp, or any other self-sustaining flamable liquid capable of combusting/detonating in the moist climate of a human vagina.

--or--

Imagine making it somehow react to the electrolytes in semen, you get a brief moment of ectassy, then the whole thing explodes. I can't help but laugh at the thought of a man explaining it to the insurance company after the house burned down.

Incendiary? In-semen-ary!

[xenon24]

If you think about it, that idea would really only hurt the woman as most likely the reason you are using the lube in the first place is because of wearing a condom...

(that was a response to the idea of lube with MEKP)

[Desmikes]

KY-brand Silk personal lubricant will actually start fire when dripped onto KMnO4, nothing useful given that pure glycerin is widely available, but entertaining nevertheless