Crime-Time Television

[nbk2000]

Having had the opportunity to watch cable television for the first time in almost 4 years, I've noticed something rather interesting...the plethora of pseudo-criminal televison shows.

Impossible Heists on CourtTV:

Duplicates actual heists, but with the usual 'Mission Impossible' overacting with stupid shit like safes that need musical tones to open or whatnot. :rolleyes:

Though you will pick up a trick or two from each one, but you have to be able to recognize the bogus ones, like the magnetized paperclip fooling the door magnet sensor or the picture in front of the security camera.

A paperclip doesn't retain enough magnetism to hold a reed sensor closed, nor can you fool a camera with a picture in front of it because the cameras focus has to be changed as well, and then there's parallex error.

After the 'heist', they have a former crime scene investigator tell them about the mistakes they made. In the episode I saw, they touched their bare skin against walls while leaning against them (DNA), stuck tools in their mouths that they then left behind (DNA), handled things bare-hnaded (fingerprints), or got their faces on camera. All of these mistakes could be prevented by following the RTPBs about dressing for a crime. :rolleyes:

Takes A Thief on A&E:

Former burglar goes through suburbanites houses, taking all their shit, and leaving the house trashed, usually in less than ten minutes. He then comes back to give them back their stuff and tell them how much their stuff would be worth to a thief.

Then his partner gives the house a 'security' makeover and the thief comes back in a few weeks to try again.

Again, this gives you the most basic burglary skills, but the 'security' makeover is the usual 'alarm and locks' advice that you always get. The burglar doesn't show how you can cut the phone line and foam the horn to defeat the alarm, and all the other tricks of the trade.

Good for learning 'Punk' entry-level criminal skills.

One episode had them put in a 'safe', a shitty lock box bolted to a wood closet shelf. HA!

An NBK has the tools, the skills, and, most importantly, the brains to get through and into anything you've got. The safe? Take the shelf and cut it open at leisure elsewhere! :p

Masterminds on sunday nights, don't know the station:

Less about the techniques, and more about the psycohology, of the expert criminals. The thought process, planning of the crime, the execution, etc. Like the RTPB in an 'America's Most Wanted' recreation sort-of-way.

Naturally, the show only deals with the ones who eventually got caught, but learning from others mistakes is good. Better than learning them by first-hand experience.

The Discovery channel has several shows dealing with the forensics aspect of crime scene investigation. A must for serious crimes, as they don't DNA for house burglaries, but they (usually) do for dead bodies.

Beating Vegas:

This show, and others like it, tell about cheats who, through various means, cheated casinos out of money. Naturally, they only tell about those who got caught in the end.

National Geographic Explorer:

They've got a series about prisons and life inside. If you watch enough of the prior, you might be in need of the latter. ;)

I'm sure there are others I haven't seen that may be of interest. Anyone got suggestions?

The important thing to remember when watching any television show is the fact that it IS television. Entertainment, not fact. Anything you see may be semi-truth or outright fabrication. A lot of things will be left out, such as violence (killing/assault/explosives), or techniques too powerful to be publicly displayed like foaming the room to defeat the PIR.

[nbk2000]

Having had the opportunity to watch cable television for the first time in almost 4 years, I've noticed something rather interesting...the plethora of pseudo-criminal televison shows.

Impossible Heists on CourtTV:

Duplicates actual heists, but with the usual 'Mission Impossible' overacting with stupid shit like safes that need musical tones to open or whatnot. :rolleyes:

Though you will pick up a trick or two from each one, but you have to be able to recognize the bogus ones, like the magnetized paperclip fooling the door magnet sensor or the picture in front of the security camera.

A paperclip doesn't retain enough magnetism to hold a reed sensor closed, nor can you fool a camera with a picture in front of it because the cameras focus has to be changed as well, and then there's parallex error.

After the 'heist', they have a former crime scene investigator tell them about the mistakes they made. In the episode I saw, they touched their bare skin against walls while leaning against them (DNA), stuck tools in their mouths that they then left behind (DNA), handled things bare-hnaded (fingerprints), or got their faces on camera. All of these mistakes could be prevented by following the RTPBs about dressing for a crime. :rolleyes:

Takes A Thief on A&E:

Former burglar goes through suburbanites houses, taking all their shit, and leaving the house trashed, usually in less than ten minutes. He then comes back to give them back their stuff and tell them how much their stuff would be worth to a thief.

Then his partner gives the house a 'security' makeover and the thief comes back in a few weeks to try again.

Again, this gives you the most basic burglary skills, but the 'security' makeover is the usual 'alarm and locks' advice that you always get. The burglar doesn't show how you can cut the phone line and foam the horn to defeat the alarm, and all the other tricks of the trade.

Good for learning 'Punk' entry-level criminal skills.

One episode had them put in a 'safe', a shitty lock box bolted to a wood closet shelf. HA!

An NBK has the tools, the skills, and, most importantly, the brains to get through and into anything you've got. The safe? Take the shelf and cut it open at leisure elsewhere! :p

Masterminds on sunday nights, don't know the station:

Less about the techniques, and more about the psycohology, of the expert criminals. The thought process, planning of the crime, the execution, etc. Like the RTPB in an 'America's Most Wanted' recreation sort-of-way.

Naturally, the show only deals with the ones who eventually got caught, but learning from others mistakes is good. Better than learning them by first-hand experience.

The Discovery channel has several shows dealing with the forensics aspect of crime scene investigation. A must for serious crimes, as they don't DNA for house burglaries, but they (usually) do for dead bodies.

Beating Vegas:

This show, and others like it, tell about cheats who, through various means, cheated casinos out of money. Naturally, they only tell about those who got caught in the end.

National Geographic Explorer:

They've got a series about prisons and life inside. If you watch enough of the prior, you might be in need of the latter. ;)

I'm sure there are others I haven't seen that may be of interest. Anyone got suggestions?

The important thing to remember when watching any television show is the fact that it IS television. Entertainment, not fact. Anything you see may be semi-truth or outright fabrication. A lot of things will be left out, such as violence (killing/assault/explosives), or techniques too powerful to be publicly displayed like foaming the room to defeat the PIR.

[nbk2000]

Having had the opportunity to watch cable television for the first time in almost 4 years, I've noticed something rather interesting...the plethora of pseudo-criminal televison shows.

Impossible Heists on CourtTV:

Duplicates actual heists, but with the usual 'Mission Impossible' overacting with stupid shit like safes that need musical tones to open or whatnot. :rolleyes:

Though you will pick up a trick or two from each one, but you have to be able to recognize the bogus ones, like the magnetized paperclip fooling the door magnet sensor or the picture in front of the security camera.

A paperclip doesn't retain enough magnetism to hold a reed sensor closed, nor can you fool a camera with a picture in front of it because the cameras focus has to be changed as well, and then there's parallex error.

After the 'heist', they have a former crime scene investigator tell them about the mistakes they made. In the episode I saw, they touched their bare skin against walls while leaning against them (DNA), stuck tools in their mouths that they then left behind (DNA), handled things bare-hnaded (fingerprints), or got their faces on camera. All of these mistakes could be prevented by following the RTPBs about dressing for a crime. :rolleyes:

Takes A Thief on A&E:

Former burglar goes through suburbanites houses, taking all their shit, and leaving the house trashed, usually in less than ten minutes. He then comes back to give them back their stuff and tell them how much their stuff would be worth to a thief.

Then his partner gives the house a 'security' makeover and the thief comes back in a few weeks to try again.

Again, this gives you the most basic burglary skills, but the 'security' makeover is the usual 'alarm and locks' advice that you always get. The burglar doesn't show how you can cut the phone line and foam the horn to defeat the alarm, and all the other tricks of the trade.

Good for learning 'Punk' entry-level criminal skills.

One episode had them put in a 'safe', a shitty lock box bolted to a wood closet shelf. HA!

An NBK has the tools, the skills, and, most importantly, the brains to get through and into anything you've got. The safe? Take the shelf and cut it open at leisure elsewhere! :p

Masterminds on sunday nights, don't know the station:

Less about the techniques, and more about the psycohology, of the expert criminals. The thought process, planning of the crime, the execution, etc. Like the RTPB in an 'America's Most Wanted' recreation sort-of-way.

Naturally, the show only deals with the ones who eventually got caught, but learning from others mistakes is good. Better than learning them by first-hand experience.

The Discovery channel has several shows dealing with the forensics aspect of crime scene investigation. A must for serious crimes, as they don't DNA for house burglaries, but they (usually) do for dead bodies.

Beating Vegas:

This show, and others like it, tell about cheats who, through various means, cheated casinos out of money. Naturally, they only tell about those who got caught in the end.

National Geographic Explorer:

They've got a series about prisons and life inside. If you watch enough of the prior, you might be in need of the latter. ;)

I'm sure there are others I haven't seen that may be of interest. Anyone got suggestions?

The important thing to remember when watching any television show is the fact that it IS television. Entertainment, not fact. Anything you see may be semi-truth or outright fabrication. A lot of things will be left out, such as violence (killing/assault/explosives), or techniques too powerful to be publicly displayed like foaming the room to defeat the PIR.

[R_Chemist]

The FBI files:
Station: Access
http://www.accesslearning.com/nt/TestFrame.cfm?from=series&value=9107&cid=010101&c=0&theWidth=1024&theHeigth=768

The New detectives: Case studies in forensic science
station: Access
http://www.accesslearning.com/nt/TestFrame.cfm?from=series&value=8775&cid=010101&c=0&theWidth=1024&theHeigth=768

These programs are actually part of some post secondary courses. Both of these are from the point of view af the investigators as they investigate the crime(usually a murder or large heist).

[R_Chemist]

The FBI files:
Station: Access
http://www.accesslearning.com/nt/TestFrame.cfm?from=series&value=9107&cid=010101&c=0&theWidth=1024&theHeigth=768

The New detectives: Case studies in forensic science
station: Access
http://www.accesslearning.com/nt/TestFrame.cfm?from=series&value=8775&cid=010101&c=0&theWidth=1024&theHeigth=768

These programs are actually part of some post secondary courses. Both of these are from the point of view af the investigators as they investigate the crime(usually a murder or large heist).

[R_Chemist]

The FBI files:
Station: Access
http://www.accesslearning.com/nt/TestFrame.cfm?from=series&value=9107&cid=010101&c=0&theWidth=1024&theHeigth=768

The New detectives: Case studies in forensic science
station: Access
http://www.accesslearning.com/nt/TestFrame.cfm?from=series&value=8775&cid=010101&c=0&theWidth=1024&theHeigth=768

These programs are actually part of some post secondary courses. Both of these are from the point of view af the investigators as they investigate the crime(usually a murder or large heist).

[Silentnite]

There are two shows where they break into your house and show you how insecure your house is. One on discovery channel which I think is the one you were talking about, and the second would be on ABC? Both are the same format.

But they do have some decent tips beyond the locks and alarms. Or, at least common sense for the majority uncommon masses. Like not having a twenty foot ladder outside of a two story home with just the ground floor windows locked. If you lock one door, don't leave the other open. I guess burglers will always be able to prey on the sheeple. Regardless of the precautions taken.

[Silentnite]

There are two shows where they break into your house and show you how insecure your house is. One on discovery channel which I think is the one you were talking about, and the second would be on ABC? Both are the same format.

But they do have some decent tips beyond the locks and alarms. Or, at least common sense for the majority uncommon masses. Like not having a twenty foot ladder outside of a two story home with just the ground floor windows locked. If you lock one door, don't leave the other open. I guess burglers will always be able to prey on the sheeple. Regardless of the precautions taken.

[Silentnite]

There are two shows where they break into your house and show you how insecure your house is. One on discovery channel which I think is the one you were talking about, and the second would be on ABC? Both are the same format.

But they do have some decent tips beyond the locks and alarms. Or, at least common sense for the majority uncommon masses. Like not having a twenty foot ladder outside of a two story home with just the ground floor windows locked. If you lock one door, don't leave the other open. I guess burglers will always be able to prey on the sheeple. Regardless of the precautions taken.

[akinrog]

I think the impossible heists was very similar (or identical) to the one I watched on discovery called Big Heists.

In this show / documentary, two groups of people were assigned to break in and take the money from a previously robbed bank. One team entered the building through sewers and they achieved. They used very complicated tools like power saws capable of cutting through concrete, power drills, etc. The other team entered the building through a side door which is secured by means of a high voltage system.

Most interesting of all after they (the first team) entered the building through the sewer, one of the guys (who was a former Navy Seal) shot the PIR detector with a crossbow. Is it really possible? I believe security systems also check integrity of the circuitry :eek:.

[akinrog]

I think the impossible heists was very similar (or identical) to the one I watched on discovery called Big Heists.

In this show / documentary, two groups of people were assigned to break in and take the money from a previously robbed bank. One team entered the building through sewers and they achieved. They used very complicated tools like power saws capable of cutting through concrete, power drills, etc. The other team entered the building through a side door which is secured by means of a high voltage system.

Most interesting of all after they (the first team) entered the building through the sewer, one of the guys (who was a former Navy Seal) shot the PIR detector with a crossbow. Is it really possible? I believe security systems also check integrity of the circuitry :eek:.

[akinrog]

I think the impossible heists was very similar (or identical) to the one I watched on discovery called Big Heists.

In this show / documentary, two groups of people were assigned to break in and take the money from a previously robbed bank. One team entered the building through sewers and they achieved. They used very complicated tools like power saws capable of cutting through concrete, power drills, etc. The other team entered the building through a side door which is secured by means of a high voltage system.

Most interesting of all after they (the first team) entered the building through the sewer, one of the guys (who was a former Navy Seal) shot the PIR detector with a crossbow. Is it really possible? I believe security systems also check integrity of the circuitry :eek:.

[shady mutha]

Well I can tell you a cross bow wont do shit. :rolleyes:
A good gereral book to start with is "How to defeat a security alarm in 10 seconds or less". Or something like that, it gives you the general idea.
The best way I have seen so far is going in during daylight hours and spraying the PIR with clear lacquer. The red light should no longer come on, then you know your done.

[shady mutha]

Well I can tell you a cross bow wont do shit. :rolleyes:
A good gereral book to start with is "How to defeat a security alarm in 10 seconds or less". Or something like that, it gives you the general idea.
The best way I have seen so far is going in during daylight hours and spraying the PIR with clear lacquer. The red light should no longer come on, then you know your done.

[shady mutha]

Well I can tell you a cross bow wont do shit. :rolleyes:
A good gereral book to start with is "How to defeat a security alarm in 10 seconds or less". Or something like that, it gives you the general idea.
The best way I have seen so far is going in during daylight hours and spraying the PIR with clear lacquer. The red light should no longer come on, then you know your done.

[Jacks Complete]

A crossbow will do shit - it will destroy the PIR with a good hit. Whether that sets off the tamper circuit is another matter entirely! Heck the movement of the bolt might set the sensor off, too. However, it would only give one "event" so most sensors would still be waiting for a second event when they got smashed...

They are usually set to detect two or three events in a certain time before triggering the alarm, to reduce falseing.

Some tamper circuits don't deserve the name, since they only monitor the wire loop, and not the sensor itself. Others have things like foam float trips, coating detectors, smoke or fire sensors, and the like.
Top of the range door sensors use a Hall Effect device to stop the use of a magnet to keep the sensor closed, the best alarm systems have a circuit that tests the resistance of the tamper loops to detect bypass attacks, and the best PIRs use microwave and/or IR, with sensors to detect anything covering the sensor face.

[Jacks Complete]

A crossbow will do shit - it will destroy the PIR with a good hit. Whether that sets off the tamper circuit is another matter entirely! Heck the movement of the bolt might set the sensor off, too. However, it would only give one "event" so most sensors would still be waiting for a second event when they got smashed...

They are usually set to detect two or three events in a certain time before triggering the alarm, to reduce falseing.

Some tamper circuits don't deserve the name, since they only monitor the wire loop, and not the sensor itself. Others have things like foam float trips, coating detectors, smoke or fire sensors, and the like.
Top of the range door sensors use a Hall Effect device to stop the use of a magnet to keep the sensor closed, the best alarm systems have a circuit that tests the resistance of the tamper loops to detect bypass attacks, and the best PIRs use microwave and/or IR, with sensors to detect anything covering the sensor face.

[Jacks Complete]

A crossbow will do shit - it will destroy the PIR with a good hit. Whether that sets off the tamper circuit is another matter entirely! Heck the movement of the bolt might set the sensor off, too. However, it would only give one "event" so most sensors would still be waiting for a second event when they got smashed...

They are usually set to detect two or three events in a certain time before triggering the alarm, to reduce falseing.

Some tamper circuits don't deserve the name, since they only monitor the wire loop, and not the sensor itself. Others have things like foam float trips, coating detectors, smoke or fire sensors, and the like.
Top of the range door sensors use a Hall Effect device to stop the use of a magnet to keep the sensor closed, the best alarm systems have a circuit that tests the resistance of the tamper loops to detect bypass attacks, and the best PIRs use microwave and/or IR, with sensors to detect anything covering the sensor face.

[akinrog]

Actually it was not an ordinary crossbow, but one of those crossbows (which I don't know the name) you shoot fish underwater.

[akinrog]

Actually it was not an ordinary crossbow, but one of those crossbows (which I don't know the name) you shoot fish underwater.

[akinrog]

Actually it was not an ordinary crossbow, but one of those crossbows (which I don't know the name) you shoot fish underwater.

[xyz]

A speargun. There are two types, compressed air and ones that use strong rubber "bands".

[xyz]

A speargun. There are two types, compressed air and ones that use strong rubber "bands".

[xyz]

A speargun. There are two types, compressed air and ones that use strong rubber "bands".

[cyclonite4]

I have a feeling an underwater version would be a rubber band one. The air discharged from a cylinder would fill with water when it gets empty, which would likely be inconvenient. Then again, I know little about underwater sports.

On the same topic, I don't see what difference using an underwater crossbow would make when shooting the sensor.

[cyclonite4]

I have a feeling an underwater version would be a rubber band one. The air discharged from a cylinder would fill with water when it gets empty, which would likely be inconvenient. Then again, I know little about underwater sports.

On the same topic, I don't see what difference using an underwater crossbow would make when shooting the sensor.

[cyclonite4]

I have a feeling an underwater version would be a rubber band one. The air discharged from a cylinder would fill with water when it gets empty, which would likely be inconvenient. Then again, I know little about underwater sports.

On the same topic, I don't see what difference using an underwater crossbow would make when shooting the sensor.

[MightyQuinn®]

I have a feeling an underwater version would be a rubber band one. The air discharged from a cylinder would fill with water when it gets empty, which would likely be inconvenient.

You will find both types. The following information found using a Google search advises that a pneumatic version exists and uses a closed air system, retaining propellant air for subsequent shots.

~snip~

http://www.island-scuba.com/page/001/PROD/spearguns/SG4185

General Working Principle of Pneumatic Spearguns:


Pneumatic Spearguns are supplied from the factory with compressed air. The air contained in the tank (3) is introduced through the inlet valve (7) with the use of an appropriate pump (included). The air originally introduced into the speargun is recaptured with every shot and not dispersed when the shaft is released.

When the shaft (1) is loaded, the piston (5) is moved down the barrel (4), thus further increasing the air pressure, until it engages the catch hook (6).When the trigger is pulled, the piston is released by the catch hook. The expanding compressed air propels the piston the length of the barrel, thus propelling the shaft. The piston is stopped at the barrel head (2), ready for reloading. Pneumatic Spearguns, by design offer the advantage of very high power in a compact size.

[MightyQuinn®]

I have a feeling an underwater version would be a rubber band one. The air discharged from a cylinder would fill with water when it gets empty, which would likely be inconvenient.

You will find both types. The following information found using a Google search advises that a pneumatic version exists and uses a closed air system, retaining propellant air for subsequent shots.

~snip~

http://www.island-scuba.com/page/001/PROD/spearguns/SG4185

General Working Principle of Pneumatic Spearguns:


Pneumatic Spearguns are supplied from the factory with compressed air. The air contained in the tank (3) is introduced through the inlet valve (7) with the use of an appropriate pump (included). The air originally introduced into the speargun is recaptured with every shot and not dispersed when the shaft is released.

When the shaft (1) is loaded, the piston (5) is moved down the barrel (4), thus further increasing the air pressure, until it engages the catch hook (6).When the trigger is pulled, the piston is released by the catch hook. The expanding compressed air propels the piston the length of the barrel, thus propelling the shaft. The piston is stopped at the barrel head (2), ready for reloading. Pneumatic Spearguns, by design offer the advantage of very high power in a compact size.

[MightyQuinn®]

I have a feeling an underwater version would be a rubber band one. The air discharged from a cylinder would fill with water when it gets empty, which would likely be inconvenient.

You will find both types. The following information found using a Google search advises that a pneumatic version exists and uses a closed air system, retaining propellant air for subsequent shots.

~snip~

http://www.island-scuba.com/page/001/PROD/spearguns/SG4185

General Working Principle of Pneumatic Spearguns:


Pneumatic Spearguns are supplied from the factory with compressed air. The air contained in the tank (3) is introduced through the inlet valve (7) with the use of an appropriate pump (included). The air originally introduced into the speargun is recaptured with every shot and not dispersed when the shaft is released.

When the shaft (1) is loaded, the piston (5) is moved down the barrel (4), thus further increasing the air pressure, until it engages the catch hook (6).When the trigger is pulled, the piston is released by the catch hook. The expanding compressed air propels the piston the length of the barrel, thus propelling the shaft. The piston is stopped at the barrel head (2), ready for reloading. Pneumatic Spearguns, by design offer the advantage of very high power in a compact size.

[Isotoxin]

I have seen ads for these shows while I was in NYC on the sides of busses. It seems to feature women in catsuits crawling around more then anything else.

I think the best way to study for a crime is to buy these sensors and(following literature from security companies) place them in a mock house. Then you can try to defeat them and get a realistic idea of their skills instead of too much fantasy crap or too much electronic theory. Not that having the chemical, physical and electronic skills is bad but that you really need to test it on a real device to see if it works and if it works even in adverse conditions.

[Isotoxin]

I have seen ads for these shows while I was in NYC on the sides of busses. It seems to feature women in catsuits crawling around more then anything else.

I think the best way to study for a crime is to buy these sensors and(following literature from security companies) place them in a mock house. Then you can try to defeat them and get a realistic idea of their skills instead of too much fantasy crap or too much electronic theory. Not that having the chemical, physical and electronic skills is bad but that you really need to test it on a real device to see if it works and if it works even in adverse conditions.

[Isotoxin]

I have seen ads for these shows while I was in NYC on the sides of busses. It seems to feature women in catsuits crawling around more then anything else.

I think the best way to study for a crime is to buy these sensors and(following literature from security companies) place them in a mock house. Then you can try to defeat them and get a realistic idea of their skills instead of too much fantasy crap or too much electronic theory. Not that having the chemical, physical and electronic skills is bad but that you really need to test it on a real device to see if it works and if it works even in adverse conditions.

[nbk2000]

In this episode, they're tasked with breaking into a diamond vault. In real life, an unstated number of perps used copied keys and stolen combinations to break into a vault in antwerp and steal $100 million in various gemstones.

Since it's mainly Jews running the gem trade, I'd bet the real loss was only half or less of that, the balance being exagerrated by the jews to get more money out of the insurance companies.

I'll not be differentiating between the two teams and who made what mistakes, as that's irrelevant.

Firstly, when they're 'disabling' the PIR detectors in the warehouse, they shot 'em with a paintball gun. May or may not work, depending on the construction of the PIR, and whether or not it has anti-masking and anti-tampering built-in.

Some of them blew apart when shot, which would set off an anti-tamper switch when the casing fell apart. When the nigger shot one, the red light went off a moment before it fell apart, but that'd be more than enough to set off an alarm.

He also forgot to obscure the video camera by shooting it, on the assumption that they'd 'get the tapes' later. Never assume anything. There may not be any 'tape' to recover, as it could be recorded at a remote security montioring service via broadband internet connection.

Being a TV show, they apparently don't allow them to wear full face masks, which would make cameras moot, since they need clear shots of the faces for the audience. Cameras only work against you after the fact, if there's no one monitoring them live, for identification and clarification as to number of perps/tools used/routes and movement/etc.

The same mistake of not wearing gloves at ALL times is obvious. Same with bare skin. The chicks wear tank tops to show off their tits, and the buff guys wear them also, to show off their buff biceps. Again, they need to cater to the audience, so this expected.

When they have to get up into an airvent, the fat boy can't get up in there, being too fat to lift his own body weight, even with being up to his chest in the airvent. He has to have his ass hauled up by others, delaying things. The Hooters bitch (even wears the shirt!) is a claustrophobe whining about 'needing air'. Take a prozac or, better yet, get left behind.

The airvent is, of course, ridiculously large. Any decent security engineer is going to make sure that airvent ducts are too small for even a small child to crawl through, let alone 18 stone lard asses.

After sawing through a wall to get to an elevator shaft, and getting into the elevator itself, they rappel down through the floor to get access to the basement vault level.

Problems with this? Elevators have alarms and motion detectors too, at least the ones I've had occasion to see in Big Banks, and fucking with the control panel would set off an alarm too.

Once they have a hole in the elevator car floor, there's is the requisite Mission Impossible 'laser grid'. :rolleyes:

Naturally this is in a nice VISIBLE green.

I have never heard of such a thing in reality, and I make it a point to know things like this. Yes, there are break-beam alarm sensors, but those are all INFRARED, and thus invisible to the naked eye, not anything in the visible spectrum.

But you wouldn't find such a thing in an elevator shaft anyways, because air currents and vermin could trigger a false alarm.

he Hooters bitch gets her hair caught up in the descender on her way down. Keep that shit under wraps!

Once at the bottom, they waste time waiting for the guard to go on tour. If the jackpot is $100 million in diamonds, I'm not wasting time better spent getting loot waiting for him to leave. Bullet to the head.

Once guard leaves, they have to get through a hallway with heat detectors. Another movie fallacy. And since when do motion detectors give you an 10 second period to stop moving before they'll go off, and handy RED STOP/GREEN GO indicators? Disregard all this shit.

Lard ass takes forever to get through the gap in the break-beam. Fat boy needs some slim-fast.

Once at the vault, they open up the outer steel bar door. Fat boy reaches through and fiddles with the lock from inside. Sorry, but reality is that the door locks are shielded from exterior access by at least an arms length of plate to prevent reaching, and are also alarmed.

Once at the vault itself, there's a brief bit of reality, as fat boy drills into the vault door. Notice the chain and bar rig used to apply pressure to the drill bit. This is a real technique. Buff boy uses a borescope on the wheel pack. This is also real.

Fat boy tries punching the boltwork aside when he can't drill it. This is where an exothermic torch comes in. But you can drill boltwork if you restrain it by using a half-round hook to hold it in tension.

There's also the 'Mission Impossible' biometric fingerprint reader and retina scanner. Lifting a fingerprint from the guards soda can to use on the fingerprint reader might work, but what security vault company would allow a night guards' fingerprints access to a gem vault, even if it required an execs eyeball to do so? If it did, killing the guard and using the detached real finger would be much more expedient.

As for the eyeball scanner? Think eyeball snatch. I won't comment further on this one.

Once in the vault, they all start drilling the deposit boxes and vacuuming out the stones.

You're not going to be doing this using bimetal hole saws from ACE hardware. :p

Oh sure, if deposit boxes actually were made from aluminum, then you could. But reality?

Reality is steel, usually of tool-grade hardened steel. Reality is using chisels and sledges to break the hinges and prying the doors out, which locks the other doors adjacent shut from the deforming this causes to the framework. Reality is nose pullers to pull out the locks, or carbide drills.

Nothing wrong with the vacuum as far as I can tell, if you know it'll be small loose stones.

Problem with the drills they used was that they're battery-powered. They were dying on them. Batterys are good for portability, but you need mains for powering tools through barriers.

What I don't get is how they had mains power to drill through the exterior vault door, but not for drilling the deposit boxes? It couldn't have been that their extension cord was too short, as there's lights inside, and where there's a turned on light, there is a place to tap power.

If you're underground, and the guards and alarms are nullified, then why bother wasting time with tools? Small shaped charges, of only a fraction of an ounce each, would be more than adequate to punch a hole through a safe-deposit box door, especially if you are going to be vacuuming out the stones.

The charges are pre-made, and adhesive faced, and already have the detonator wires installed, so all you'd have to do is emplace them, wire them to your exploder, and fire. If they were fired one at a time, but only a second apart, then it'd be no louder than one sub-ounce charge being fired, same for the overpressure, as blast effects aren't cumulative.

In less than two minutes of firing, they would have holed every box in the vault. Compare that to the reality of hours, or even days, of manually breaking each box open.

A mine-safe explosive formulation would be required to prevent toxic gases or smoke from killing you.

Then there's the possibity of trackers mixed in with the stones. So now the bitch on each team is wasting time looking through the rocks for these things.

Hello? Ever hear of a metal detector? Diamonds (or quartz chunks in this case) are non-metallic, while every electronic device I've ever heard of has metal in it. A quick pass at the end would detect any such thing, freeing up another pair of hands for drilling and loot snatching.

On the way out, it isn't lard ass who sets off the break-beam, but buff dude, who wasn't being guided through by his crimies. Oops! But his team all get out in less than five minutes, so they're considered gone from the scene uncaught. He was the last one up the ropes, but he was smart about it, because he was the one with all the loot, so if the others left him behind, they get nothing.

The nigger was the first up the ropes on his team, and the one with all the loot. Guess what he did when the ropes were jammed up and his crimies were still at the bottom with only a few minutes left? He left them behind to get caught.

Reality is that leaving live crimies behind to get busted means you're busted too, because they'll rat you out, come gunning for you when they get out, or have their associates do it for them.

Either everybody gets out, or nobody is left behind alive to rat.

In the end, the team where everyone got out was judged the winners, even though they had less than half the loot as the nigger who was the sole survivor of his team. And rightly so.

FINAL ANALYSIS:

Considering that this entertainment, I realilze the need to keep the peoples faces visible, and why they're all 'Pretty' (except for the token chubbie), but reality is different.

Proper dressing for a crime is TOTAL head-to-toe skin coverage, with no visible skin exposure, one-piece coveralls, full face mask, and gloves with elbow length wristlet covers.

If you do this,there's no hair left dangling to get caught up in ropes. There's no skin exposed to be rubbed against anything for DNA to be left behind. There's no faces for cameras to see.

Proper physical conditioning is obvious, as fat asses are slow, clumsy, and can't move through tight-spaces. Every inch more that a hole has to be cut open to fit a fat ass is another minute lost.

Women have no place in serious crime. PERIOD! Weak, moody, and incapable. This is RTBP #1, in fact. People with phobias have no place either. Claustrophobes, afraid of the dark, rats/spiders/vermin, high-strung panicky types, etc. Either keep a grip on your fears or get left behind.

RTPB K.I.S.S. applies too. The rappel was always been a major hangup with these idiots. They all got roped tangled, couldn't keep track of which rope was for what, and whatever else.

Again, the need for safety for the people mandated all the gear, but reality is that a single rope and a pulley would be adequate for both going down and getting back up.

I used to use a single rope pulled over a tree branch, by throwing a string tied to a rock over it, to pull myself 30 feet up into a tree. You tie a stick on one end and sit on that with the rope between your legs, then simply pull down on the other end. Up you go. Same going down.

A single pulley, and a single rope...not a whole lot can go wrong with that. You would, of course, use a climbing grade pulley and rope, not hardware store kind.

If you must have multiple ropes for different purposes, use different colored ones (they DO make them in more than one color!), and have a hand-printed list in a clear vinyl wrist pouch where you can see it so you don't confuse what is what.

These shows are more a lesson in what NOT to do.

Prior to this was a couple of shows about maxiumum security prison. The National Geographic show was in California State Prison, known as New Folsom to the people who live and work there. It was funny seeing familiar faces on a TV show. :p

Attached is a flowchart I found in a magazine ad for the 'Oz' TV show that, while funny out here, is also deadly serious if you are inside. And it really is a no-win situation. :(

[nbk2000]

In this episode, they're tasked with breaking into a diamond vault. In real life, an unstated number of perps used copied keys and stolen combinations to break into a vault in antwerp and steal $100 million in various gemstones.

Since it's mainly Jews running the gem trade, I'd bet the real loss was only half or less of that, the balance being exagerrated by the jews to get more money out of the insurance companies.

I'll not be differentiating between the two teams and who made what mistakes, as that's irrelevant.

Firstly, when they're 'disabling' the PIR detectors in the warehouse, they shot 'em with a paintball gun. May or may not work, depending on the construction of the PIR, and whether or not it has anti-masking and anti-tampering built-in.

Some of them blew apart when shot, which would set off an anti-tamper switch when the casing fell apart. When the nigger shot one, the red light went off a moment before it fell apart, but that'd be more than enough to set off an alarm.

He also forgot to obscure the video camera by shooting it, on the assumption that they'd 'get the tapes' later. Never assume anything. There may not be any 'tape' to recover, as it could be recorded at a remote security montioring service via broadband internet connection.

Being a TV show, they apparently don't allow them to wear full face masks, which would make cameras moot, since they need clear shots of the faces for the audience. Cameras only work against you after the fact, if there's no one monitoring them live, for identification and clarification as to number of perps/tools used/routes and movement/etc.

The same mistake of not wearing gloves at ALL times is obvious. Same with bare skin. The chicks wear tank tops to show off their tits, and the buff guys wear them also, to show off their buff biceps. Again, they need to cater to the audience, so this expected.

When they have to get up into an airvent, the fat boy can't get up in there, being too fat to lift his own body weight, even with being up to his chest in the airvent. He has to have his ass hauled up by others, delaying things. The Hooters bitch (even wears the shirt!) is a claustrophobe whining about 'needing air'. Take a prozac or, better yet, get left behind.

The airvent is, of course, ridiculously large. Any decent security engineer is going to make sure that airvent ducts are too small for even a small child to crawl through, let alone 18 stone lard asses.

After sawing through a wall to get to an elevator shaft, and getting into the elevator itself, they rappel down through the floor to get access to the basement vault level.

Problems with this? Elevators have alarms and motion detectors too, at least the ones I've had occasion to see in Big Banks, and fucking with the control panel would set off an alarm too.

Once they have a hole in the elevator car floor, there's is the requisite Mission Impossible 'laser grid'. :rolleyes:

Naturally this is in a nice VISIBLE green.

I have never heard of such a thing in reality, and I make it a point to know things like this. Yes, there are break-beam alarm sensors, but those are all INFRARED, and thus invisible to the naked eye, not anything in the visible spectrum.

But you wouldn't find such a thing in an elevator shaft anyways, because air currents and vermin could trigger a false alarm.

he Hooters bitch gets her hair caught up in the descender on her way down. Keep that shit under wraps!

Once at the bottom, they waste time waiting for the guard to go on tour. If the jackpot is $100 million in diamonds, I'm not wasting time better spent getting loot waiting for him to leave. Bullet to the head.

Once guard leaves, they have to get through a hallway with heat detectors. Another movie fallacy. And since when do motion detectors give you an 10 second period to stop moving before they'll go off, and handy RED STOP/GREEN GO indicators? Disregard all this shit.

Lard ass takes forever to get through the gap in the break-beam. Fat boy needs some slim-fast.

Once at the vault, they open up the outer steel bar door. Fat boy reaches through and fiddles with the lock from inside. Sorry, but reality is that the door locks are shielded from exterior access by at least an arms length of plate to prevent reaching, and are also alarmed.

Once at the vault itself, there's a brief bit of reality, as fat boy drills into the vault door. Notice the chain and bar rig used to apply pressure to the drill bit. This is a real technique. Buff boy uses a borescope on the wheel pack. This is also real.

Fat boy tries punching the boltwork aside when he can't drill it. This is where an exothermic torch comes in. But you can drill boltwork if you restrain it by using a half-round hook to hold it in tension.

There's also the 'Mission Impossible' biometric fingerprint reader and retina scanner. Lifting a fingerprint from the guards soda can to use on the fingerprint reader might work, but what security vault company would allow a night guards' fingerprints access to a gem vault, even if it required an execs eyeball to do so? If it did, killing the guard and using the detached real finger would be much more expedient.

As for the eyeball scanner? Think eyeball snatch. I won't comment further on this one.

Once in the vault, they all start drilling the deposit boxes and vacuuming out the stones.

You're not going to be doing this using bimetal hole saws from ACE hardware. :p

Oh sure, if deposit boxes actually were made from aluminum, then you could. But reality?

Reality is steel, usually of tool-grade hardened steel. Reality is using chisels and sledges to break the hinges and prying the doors out, which locks the other doors adjacent shut from the deforming this causes to the framework. Reality is nose pullers to pull out the locks, or carbide drills.

Nothing wrong with the vacuum as far as I can tell, if you know it'll be small loose stones.

Problem with the drills they used was that they're battery-powered. They were dying on them. Batterys are good for portability, but you need mains for powering tools through barriers.

What I don't get is how they had mains power to drill through the exterior vault door, but not for drilling the deposit boxes? It couldn't have been that their extension cord was too short, as there's lights inside, and where there's a turned on light, there is a place to tap power.

If you're underground, and the guards and alarms are nullified, then why bother wasting time with tools? Small shaped charges, of only a fraction of an ounce each, would be more than adequate to punch a hole through a safe-deposit box door, especially if you are going to be vacuuming out the stones.

The charges are pre-made, and adhesive faced, and already have the detonator wires installed, so all you'd have to do is emplace them, wire them to your exploder, and fire. If they were fired one at a time, but only a second apart, then it'd be no louder than one sub-ounce charge being fired, same for the overpressure, as blast effects aren't cumulative.

In less than two minutes of firing, they would have holed every box in the vault. Compare that to the reality of hours, or even days, of manually breaking each box open.

A mine-safe explosive formulation would be required to prevent toxic gases or smoke from killing you.

Then there's the possibity of trackers mixed in with the stones. So now the bitch on each team is wasting time looking through the rocks for these things.

Hello? Ever hear of a metal detector? Diamonds (or quartz chunks in this case) are non-metallic, while every electronic device I've ever heard of has metal in it. A quick pass at the end would detect any such thing, freeing up another pair of hands for drilling and loot snatching.

On the way out, it isn't lard ass who sets off the break-beam, but buff dude, who wasn't being guided through by his crimies. Oops! But his team all get out in less than five minutes, so they're considered gone from the scene uncaught. He was the last one up the ropes, but he was smart about it, because he was the one with all the loot, so if the others left him behind, they get nothing.

The nigger was the first up the ropes on his team, and the one with all the loot. Guess what he did when the ropes were jammed up and his crimies were still at the bottom with only a few minutes left? He left them behind to get caught.

Reality is that leaving live crimies behind to get busted means you're busted too, because they'll rat you out, come gunning for you when they get out, or have their associates do it for them.

Either everybody gets out, or nobody is left behind alive to rat.

In the end, the team where everyone got out was judged the winners, even though they had less than half the loot as the nigger who was the sole survivor of his team. And rightly so.

FINAL ANALYSIS:

Considering that this entertainment, I realilze the need to keep the peoples faces visible, and why they're all 'Pretty' (except for the token chubbie), but reality is different.

Proper dressing for a crime is TOTAL head-to-toe skin coverage, with no visible skin exposure, one-piece coveralls, full face mask, and gloves with elbow length wristlet covers.

If you do this,there's no hair left dangling to get caught up in ropes. There's no skin exposed to be rubbed against anything for DNA to be left behind. There's no faces for cameras to see.

Proper physical conditioning is obvious, as fat asses are slow, clumsy, and can't move through tight-spaces. Every inch more that a hole has to be cut open to fit a fat ass is another minute lost.

Women have no place in serious crime. PERIOD! Weak, moody, and incapable. This is RTBP #1, in fact. People with phobias have no place either. Claustrophobes, afraid of the dark, rats/spiders/vermin, high-strung panicky types, etc. Either keep a grip on your fears or get left behind.

RTPB K.I.S.S. applies too. The rappel was always been a major hangup with these idiots. They all got roped tangled, couldn't keep track of which rope was for what, and whatever else.

Again, the need for safety for the people mandated all the gear, but reality is that a single rope and a pulley would be adequate for both going down and getting back up.

I used to use a single rope pulled over a tree branch, by throwing a string tied to a rock over it, to pull myself 30 feet up into a tree. You tie a stick on one end and sit on that with the rope between your legs, then simply pull down on the other end. Up you go. Same going down.

A single pulley, and a single rope...not a whole lot can go wrong with that. You would, of course, use a climbing grade pulley and rope, not hardware store kind.

If you must have multiple ropes for different purposes, use different colored ones (they DO make them in more than one color!), and have a hand-printed list in a clear vinyl wrist pouch where you can see it so you don't confuse what is what.

These shows are more a lesson in what NOT to do.

Prior to this was a couple of shows about maxiumum security prison. The National Geographic show was in California State Prison, known as New Folsom to the people who live and work there. It was funny seeing familiar faces on a TV show. :p

Attached is a flowchart I found in a magazine ad for the 'Oz' TV show that, while funny out here, is also deadly serious if you are inside. And it really is a no-win situation. :(

[nbk2000]

In this episode, they're tasked with breaking into a diamond vault. In real life, an unstated number of perps used copied keys and stolen combinations to break into a vault in antwerp and steal $100 million in various gemstones.

Since it's mainly Jews running the gem trade, I'd bet the real loss was only half or less of that, the balance being exagerrated by the jews to get more money out of the insurance companies.

I'll not be differentiating between the two teams and who made what mistakes, as that's irrelevant.

Firstly, when they're 'disabling' the PIR detectors in the warehouse, they shot 'em with a paintball gun. May or may not work, depending on the construction of the PIR, and whether or not it has anti-masking and anti-tampering built-in.

Some of them blew apart when shot, which would set off an anti-tamper switch when the casing fell apart. When the nigger shot one, the red light went off a moment before it fell apart, but that'd be more than enough to set off an alarm.

He also forgot to obscure the video camera by shooting it, on the assumption that they'd 'get the tapes' later. Never assume anything. There may not be any 'tape' to recover, as it could be recorded at a remote security montioring service via broadband internet connection.

Being a TV show, they apparently don't allow them to wear full face masks, which would make cameras moot, since they need clear shots of the faces for the audience. Cameras only work against you after the fact, if there's no one monitoring them live, for identification and clarification as to number of perps/tools used/routes and movement/etc.

The same mistake of not wearing gloves at ALL times is obvious. Same with bare skin. The chicks wear tank tops to show off their tits, and the buff guys wear them also, to show off their buff biceps. Again, they need to cater to the audience, so this expected.

When they have to get up into an airvent, the fat boy can't get up in there, being too fat to lift his own body weight, even with being up to his chest in the airvent. He has to have his ass hauled up by others, delaying things. The Hooters bitch (even wears the shirt!) is a claustrophobe whining about 'needing air'. Take a prozac or, better yet, get left behind.

The airvent is, of course, ridiculously large. Any decent security engineer is going to make sure that airvent ducts are too small for even a small child to crawl through, let alone 18 stone lard asses.

After sawing through a wall to get to an elevator shaft, and getting into the elevator itself, they rappel down through the floor to get access to the basement vault level.

Problems with this? Elevators have alarms and motion detectors too, at least the ones I've had occasion to see in Big Banks, and fucking with the control panel would set off an alarm too.

Once they have a hole in the elevator car floor, there's is the requisite Mission Impossible 'laser grid'. :rolleyes:

Naturally this is in a nice VISIBLE green.

I have never heard of such a thing in reality, and I make it a point to know things like this. Yes, there are break-beam alarm sensors, but those are all INFRARED, and thus invisible to the naked eye, not anything in the visible spectrum.

But you wouldn't find such a thing in an elevator shaft anyways, because air currents and vermin could trigger a false alarm.

he Hooters bitch gets her hair caught up in the descender on her way down. Keep that shit under wraps!

Once at the bottom, they waste time waiting for the guard to go on tour. If the jackpot is $100 million in diamonds, I'm not wasting time better spent getting loot waiting for him to leave. Bullet to the head.

Once guard leaves, they have to get through a hallway with heat detectors. Another movie fallacy. And since when do motion detectors give you an 10 second period to stop moving before they'll go off, and handy RED STOP/GREEN GO indicators? Disregard all this shit.

Lard ass takes forever to get through the gap in the break-beam. Fat boy needs some slim-fast.

Once at the vault, they open up the outer steel bar door. Fat boy reaches through and fiddles with the lock from inside. Sorry, but reality is that the door locks are shielded from exterior access by at least an arms length of plate to prevent reaching, and are also alarmed.

Once at the vault itself, there's a brief bit of reality, as fat boy drills into the vault door. Notice the chain and bar rig used to apply pressure to the drill bit. This is a real technique. Buff boy uses a borescope on the wheel pack. This is also real.

Fat boy tries punching the boltwork aside when he can't drill it. This is where an exothermic torch comes in. But you can drill boltwork if you restrain it by using a half-round hook to hold it in tension.

There's also the 'Mission Impossible' biometric fingerprint reader and retina scanner. Lifting a fingerprint from the guards soda can to use on the fingerprint reader might work, but what security vault company would allow a night guards' fingerprints access to a gem vault, even if it required an execs eyeball to do so? If it did, killing the guard and using the detached real finger would be much more expedient.

As for the eyeball scanner? Think eyeball snatch. I won't comment further on this one.

Once in the vault, they all start drilling the deposit boxes and vacuuming out the stones.

You're not going to be doing this using bimetal hole saws from ACE hardware. :p

Oh sure, if deposit boxes actually were made from aluminum, then you could. But reality?

Reality is steel, usually of tool-grade hardened steel. Reality is using chisels and sledges to break the hinges and prying the doors out, which locks the other doors adjacent shut from the deforming this causes to the framework. Reality is nose pullers to pull out the locks, or carbide drills.

Nothing wrong with the vacuum as far as I can tell, if you know it'll be small loose stones.

Problem with the drills they used was that they're battery-powered. They were dying on them. Batterys are good for portability, but you need mains for powering tools through barriers.

What I don't get is how they had mains power to drill through the exterior vault door, but not for drilling the deposit boxes? It couldn't have been that their extension cord was too short, as there's lights inside, and where there's a turned on light, there is a place to tap power.

If you're underground, and the guards and alarms are nullified, then why bother wasting time with tools? Small shaped charges, of only a fraction of an ounce each, would be more than adequate to punch a hole through a safe-deposit box door, especially if you are going to be vacuuming out the stones.

The charges are pre-made, and adhesive faced, and already have the detonator wires installed, so all you'd have to do is emplace them, wire them to your exploder, and fire. If they were fired one at a time, but only a second apart, then it'd be no louder than one sub-ounce charge being fired, same for the overpressure, as blast effects aren't cumulative.

In less than two minutes of firing, they would have holed every box in the vault. Compare that to the reality of hours, or even days, of manually breaking each box open.

A mine-safe explosive formulation would be required to prevent toxic gases or smoke from killing you.

Then there's the possibity of trackers mixed in with the stones. So now the bitch on each team is wasting time looking through the rocks for these things.

Hello? Ever hear of a metal detector? Diamonds (or quartz chunks in this case) are non-metallic, while every electronic device I've ever heard of has metal in it. A quick pass at the end would detect any such thing, freeing up another pair of hands for drilling and loot snatching.

On the way out, it isn't lard ass who sets off the break-beam, but buff dude, who wasn't being guided through by his crimies. Oops! But his team all get out in less than five minutes, so they're considered gone from the scene uncaught. He was the last one up the ropes, but he was smart about it, because he was the one with all the loot, so if the others left him behind, they get nothing.

The nigger was the first up the ropes on his team, and the one with all the loot. Guess what he did when the ropes were jammed up and his crimies were still at the bottom with only a few minutes left? He left them behind to get caught.

Reality is that leaving live crimies behind to get busted means you're busted too, because they'll rat you out, come gunning for you when they get out, or have their associates do it for them.

Either everybody gets out, or nobody is left behind alive to rat.

In the end, the team where everyone got out was judged the winners, even though they had less than half the loot as the nigger who was the sole survivor of his team. And rightly so.

FINAL ANALYSIS:

Considering that this entertainment, I realilze the need to keep the peoples faces visible, and why they're all 'Pretty' (except for the token chubbie), but reality is different.

Proper dressing for a crime is TOTAL head-to-toe skin coverage, with no visible skin exposure, one-piece coveralls, full face mask, and gloves with elbow length wristlet covers.

If you do this,there's no hair left dangling to get caught up in ropes. There's no skin exposed to be rubbed against anything for DNA to be left behind. There's no faces for cameras to see.

Proper physical conditioning is obvious, as fat asses are slow, clumsy, and can't move through tight-spaces. Every inch more that a hole has to be cut open to fit a fat ass is another minute lost.

Women have no place in serious crime. PERIOD! Weak, moody, and incapable. This is RTBP #1, in fact. People with phobias have no place either. Claustrophobes, afraid of the dark, rats/spiders/vermin, high-strung panicky types, etc. Either keep a grip on your fears or get left behind.

RTPB K.I.S.S. applies too. The rappel was always been a major hangup with these idiots. They all got roped tangled, couldn't keep track of which rope was for what, and whatever else.

Again, the need for safety for the people mandated all the gear, but reality is that a single rope and a pulley would be adequate for both going down and getting back up.

I used to use a single rope pulled over a tree branch, by throwing a string tied to a rock over it, to pull myself 30 feet up into a tree. You tie a stick on one end and sit on that with the rope between your legs, then simply pull down on the other end. Up you go. Same going down.

A single pulley, and a single rope...not a whole lot can go wrong with that. You would, of course, use a climbing grade pulley and rope, not hardware store kind.

If you must have multiple ropes for different purposes, use different colored ones (they DO make them in more than one color!), and have a hand-printed list in a clear vinyl wrist pouch where you can see it so you don't confuse what is what.

These shows are more a lesson in what NOT to do.

Prior to this was a couple of shows about maxiumum security prison. The National Geographic show was in California State Prison, known as New Folsom to the people who live and work there. It was funny seeing familiar faces on a TV show. :p

Attached is a flowchart I found in a magazine ad for the 'Oz' TV show that, while funny out here, is also deadly serious if you are inside. And it really is a no-win situation. :(

[shady mutha]

Dont know if anyone has been watching the news but the Irish have done another million dollar heist using the same tactics is the last big bank job over there blamed on IRA. I believe that it would have been impossible to rob those places using "conventional" methods. But the jobs keep coming and no one can stop it. Where there is a will there is a way.
These TV guys make everything look easy, as they dont have to worry about if they will be coming home . How I hate American crime shows, they make me sick. Nobody ever puts gloves on, cares about being seen or can shoot a gun straight. They all confess or give the information in 5 minutes of getting to the station. I can count good American crime movies on one hand, not that our Aussie movies or TV shows are any good. A funny one is "two hands" .Real crime is real stress.
I think security has evolved so much that the old tactics no longer work in todays world. Interesting post none the less.

[shady mutha]

Dont know if anyone has been watching the news but the Irish have done another million dollar heist using the same tactics is the last big bank job over there blamed on IRA. I believe that it would have been impossible to rob those places using "conventional" methods. But the jobs keep coming and no one can stop it. Where there is a will there is a way.
These TV guys make everything look easy, as they dont have to worry about if they will be coming home . How I hate American crime shows, they make me sick. Nobody ever puts gloves on, cares about being seen or can shoot a gun straight. They all confess or give the information in 5 minutes of getting to the station. I can count good American crime movies on one hand, not that our Aussie movies or TV shows are any good. A funny one is "two hands" .Real crime is real stress.
I think security has evolved so much that the old tactics no longer work in todays world. Interesting post none the less.

[shady mutha]

Dont know if anyone has been watching the news but the Irish have done another million dollar heist using the same tactics is the last big bank job over there blamed on IRA. I believe that it would have been impossible to rob those places using "conventional" methods. But the jobs keep coming and no one can stop it. Where there is a will there is a way.
These TV guys make everything look easy, as they dont have to worry about if they will be coming home . How I hate American crime shows, they make me sick. Nobody ever puts gloves on, cares about being seen or can shoot a gun straight. They all confess or give the information in 5 minutes of getting to the station. I can count good American crime movies on one hand, not that our Aussie movies or TV shows are any good. A funny one is "two hands" .Real crime is real stress.
I think security has evolved so much that the old tactics no longer work in todays world. Interesting post none the less.

[cyclonite4]

New-book instore: "Idiots guide to successful bank robbery"...


Women have no place in serious crime. PERIOD! Weak, moody, and incapable. This is RTBP #1, in fact. People with phobias have no place either. Claustrophobes, afraid of the dark, rats/spiders/vermin, high-strung panicky types, etc. Either keep a grip on your fears or get left behind.


This deserves to be coined the 'GOLDEN RTPB'. Women... so frustrating having them around, even in a non-crime situation. They'll probably want a higher 'cut' of the loot, otherwise they'll go off on some PMS-powered 'women's rights' protest. :D

Seriously funny how bullshit the heist is though, GREEN GO/RED STOP sensors, night guard has access to the vault... :p. If I wanted to get-rich-quick, I could just drop to a low-pay nightguard job, empty the vault and run. Somehow I dont think someone of such low pay, thus greater need for money, could be trusted to secure such large worths.

[cyclonite4]

New-book instore: "Idiots guide to successful bank robbery"...


Women have no place in serious crime. PERIOD! Weak, moody, and incapable. This is RTBP #1, in fact. People with phobias have no place either. Claustrophobes, afraid of the dark, rats/spiders/vermin, high-strung panicky types, etc. Either keep a grip on your fears or get left behind.


This deserves to be coined the 'GOLDEN RTPB'. Women... so frustrating having them around, even in a non-crime situation. They'll probably want a higher 'cut' of the loot, otherwise they'll go off on some PMS-powered 'women's rights' protest. :D

Seriously funny how bullshit the heist is though, GREEN GO/RED STOP sensors, night guard has access to the vault... :p. If I wanted to get-rich-quick, I could just drop to a low-pay nightguard job, empty the vault and run. Somehow I dont think someone of such low pay, thus greater need for money, could be trusted to secure such large worths.

[cyclonite4]

New-book instore: "Idiots guide to successful bank robbery"...


Women have no place in serious crime. PERIOD! Weak, moody, and incapable. This is RTBP #1, in fact. People with phobias have no place either. Claustrophobes, afraid of the dark, rats/spiders/vermin, high-strung panicky types, etc. Either keep a grip on your fears or get left behind.


This deserves to be coined the 'GOLDEN RTPB'. Women... so frustrating having them around, even in a non-crime situation. They'll probably want a higher 'cut' of the loot, otherwise they'll go off on some PMS-powered 'women's rights' protest. :D

Seriously funny how bullshit the heist is though, GREEN GO/RED STOP sensors, night guard has access to the vault... :p. If I wanted to get-rich-quick, I could just drop to a low-pay nightguard job, empty the vault and run. Somehow I dont think someone of such low pay, thus greater need for money, could be trusted to secure such large worths.

[nbk2000]

In this one, they have to steal a picasso painting from a yacht. The real crime this is based on netted a thief a $10mil picasso, out of a $200mil collection on board the ship.

The teams approach from underwater, and enter in through the moon pool. They then break through a bulkhead door, enter a serviceway behind the security monitors, disable that, get a keycard to deactivate the alarm, get past the pirahanas (?!), then steal the painting.

+++++++++++

Before I go further, I'd like to state that the KISS principle could be amply applied here, by attaching a limpet charge to the yachts hull, and sinking the fucker. Since it'd be in water shallow enough to dive, your guys are diving through the wreck to recover the goods within minutes, while everyone topside is busy looking for survivors :)

Yes, saltwater is bad for paintings, but they'd only be exposed for an hour or less, and immediately cleaned once on board your ship. Since you'd be getting the whole collection, even if you only save 10% of it in saleable condition, that's still worth $20mil. Well worth it. :D

The most important thing would be to place the charges such that the ship is completely holed and sinks within a minute or two. This prevents any fire damage and precludes the owners taking the paintings with them off the boat. It also precludes anyone getting off the boat, but them's the breaks.

+++++++++++

On the approach, they have to cut through a steel grate covering the moonpool to get into the ship. A hacksaw was quicker than a pnuematic angle grinder, powered by the scuba tank. But then the hacksaw only needed to cut through tubing, not bar. Solid bar would be faster cut with the angle grinder.

At this point, both teams are supposed to be able to monitor the internal security monitors though a wireless receiver they bring with them, to observe the guard and their presence on camera.

The nigger was a fuck-up throughout this entire series, and it continues from the very start here, where he gets the receiver wet and destroys it before they've even cut the moonpool bars. :rolleyes:

HINT: When taking electronics underwater, or anywhere near water, put them inside a suitable waterproof container first, and keep them in the waterproof container the entire time you are in the water, not just when you happen to be under it.

Both teams use a gas-powered chopsaw with an abrasive wheel to cut through the bulkhead door. Why? Doors are meant to be opened. Highly doubtful they are alarmed on board an occupied ship.

Next, into the utility corridor behind the monitors to both access the gallery and to fiddle with the monitors so the guards don't see them.

Again, the red team was hampered by the moron nigger, as their instructions were on paper, and you can guess what happened to them. LAMINATION? They also make waterproof paper and ink, but these people don't seem to understand this.

After cutting through a wall connecting the service corridor with the gallery, they have to get to a small safe to get the keycard to turn off the pressure sensitive floor alarm. How convenient that there's a tile perimeter around which they can manuever without stepping on the floor.

After turning off the floor alarm, they remove the fake painting covering the piranaha tank behind which the real painting is stored. Then they start removing the fish. WHAT?! I know, you can't kill anything on TV nowadays with the eco-freaks suing you, but still...since they are going to use 'explosives' to destroy the tank anyways, why bother? But it was funny watching the fish chew a hole right through the net they tried to capture them in. :p

Animals, no matter how large or hungry, are ineffective deterrents, as any animal can be killed/immobilized/lured away.

Did I forget to mention how the nigger stepped on the floor and set off the alarm prematurely?

And the idea of using explosives on board of a ship to break a fish tank is absurd! A centerpunch or some other hard tool would easily do the task, and without any noise or risk of destroying a painting.

Once they get the painting, they roll it up, stick it in a case, and run out of there, as they set off the alarm when they removed the 'real' painting.

Niggers team lost in the end, because they didn't take the surveillance tape while they were there. That, and they were just fuck ups from the start.

I'd also like to point out that you NEVER roll or fold a painting! This will damage it because the paint will be cracked and flake off. You ALWAYS keep paintings flat! Drawings on paper are OK, though.

The other thing I've noticed is how there was constant bickering and ego-clashes amoungst the 'crimies'. They always spent a lot of time arguing. All the more reason for only having men, and only two at that, on a job. You start adding people and it gets complicated. Add women and it gets catty. ;)

Also, the contining lack of proper dress for the job is problematic, with no gloves, face masks, or full-body coverage.

And, in addition to all this, the use of proper names! Aarrghh! NO, NO, NO!

You never use proper names, even if it's something common-as-dirt like 'Smith'. ALWAYS use a handle, and a different one every job. Keep it simple to remember so you don't have to revert to 'Hey, you!'

If the persons main task is alarm nullification, then call him something related to that task, like 'Horn', 'Bells', 'Wire', or the like. The guy breaking into the vault is 'Hammer', 'Sledge', 'Drill', or such.

To ensure no accidential slips of the tongue get recorded, it'd be best if nobody knows anyone elses real name, or even usual handle. You can't give up what you don't know.

I haven't heard anything about Irish heists. E-mail me with the particulars or a URL about it, if you would.

[nbk2000]

In this one, they have to steal a picasso painting from a yacht. The real crime this is based on netted a thief a $10mil picasso, out of a $200mil collection on board the ship.

The teams approach from underwater, and enter in through the moon pool. They then break through a bulkhead door, enter a serviceway behind the security monitors, disable that, get a keycard to deactivate the alarm, get past the pirahanas (?!), then steal the painting.

+++++++++++

Before I go further, I'd like to state that the KISS principle could be amply applied here, by attaching a limpet charge to the yachts hull, and sinking the fucker. Since it'd be in water shallow enough to dive, your guys are diving through the wreck to recover the goods within minutes, while everyone topside is busy looking for survivors :)

Yes, saltwater is bad for paintings, but they'd only be exposed for an hour or less, and immediately cleaned once on board your ship. Since you'd be getting the whole collection, even if you only save 10% of it in saleable condition, that's still worth $20mil. Well worth it. :D

The most important thing would be to place the charges such that the ship is completely holed and sinks within a minute or two. This prevents any fire damage and precludes the owners taking the paintings with them off the boat. It also precludes anyone getting off the boat, but them's the breaks.

+++++++++++

On the approach, they have to cut through a steel grate covering the moonpool to get into the ship. A hacksaw was quicker than a pnuematic angle grinder, powered by the scuba tank. But then the hacksaw only needed to cut through tubing, not bar. Solid bar would be faster cut with the angle grinder.

At this point, both teams are supposed to be able to monitor the internal security monitors though a wireless receiver they bring with them, to observe the guard and their presence on camera.

The nigger was a fuck-up throughout this entire series, and it continues from the very start here, where he gets the receiver wet and destroys it before they've even cut the moonpool bars. :rolleyes:

HINT: When taking electronics underwater, or anywhere near water, put them inside a suitable waterproof container first, and keep them in the waterproof container the entire time you are in the water, not just when you happen to be under it.

Both teams use a gas-powered chopsaw with an abrasive wheel to cut through the bulkhead door. Why? Doors are meant to be opened. Highly doubtful they are alarmed on board an occupied ship.

Next, into the utility corridor behind the monitors to both access the gallery and to fiddle with the monitors so the guards don't see them.

Again, the red team was hampered by the moron nigger, as their instructions were on paper, and you can guess what happened to them. LAMINATION? They also make waterproof paper and ink, but these people don't seem to understand this.

After cutting through a wall connecting the service corridor with the gallery, they have to get to a small safe to get the keycard to turn off the pressure sensitive floor alarm. How convenient that there's a tile perimeter around which they can manuever without stepping on the floor.

After turning off the floor alarm, they remove the fake painting covering the piranaha tank behind which the real painting is stored. Then they start removing the fish. WHAT?! I know, you can't kill anything on TV nowadays with the eco-freaks suing you, but still...since they are going to use 'explosives' to destroy the tank anyways, why bother? But it was funny watching the fish chew a hole right through the net they tried to capture them in. :p

Animals, no matter how large or hungry, are ineffective deterrents, as any animal can be killed/immobilized/lured away.

Did I forget to mention how the nigger stepped on the floor and set off the alarm prematurely?

And the idea of using explosives on board of a ship to break a fish tank is absurd! A centerpunch or some other hard tool would easily do the task, and without any noise or risk of destroying a painting.

Once they get the painting, they roll it up, stick it in a case, and run out of there, as they set off the alarm when they removed the 'real' painting.

Niggers team lost in the end, because they didn't take the surveillance tape while they were there. That, and they were just fuck ups from the start.

I'd also like to point out that you NEVER roll or fold a painting! This will damage it because the paint will be cracked and flake off. You ALWAYS keep paintings flat! Drawings on paper are OK, though.

The other thing I've noticed is how there was constant bickering and ego-clashes amoungst the 'crimies'. They always spent a lot of time arguing. All the more reason for only having men, and only two at that, on a job. You start adding people and it gets complicated. Add women and it gets catty. ;)

Also, the contining lack of proper dress for the job is problematic, with no gloves, face masks, or full-body coverage.

And, in addition to all this, the use of proper names! Aarrghh! NO, NO, NO!

You never use proper names, even if it's something common-as-dirt like 'Smith'. ALWAYS use a handle, and a different one every job. Keep it simple to remember so you don't have to revert to 'Hey, you!'

If the persons main task is alarm nullification, then call him something related to that task, like 'Horn', 'Bells', 'Wire', or the like. The guy breaking into the vault is 'Hammer', 'Sledge', 'Drill', or such.

To ensure no accidential slips of the tongue get recorded, it'd be best if nobody knows anyone elses real name, or even usual handle. You can't give up what you don't know.

I haven't heard anything about Irish heists. E-mail me with the particulars or a URL about it, if you would.

[nbk2000]

In this one, they have to steal a picasso painting from a yacht. The real crime this is based on netted a thief a $10mil picasso, out of a $200mil collection on board the ship.

The teams approach from underwater, and enter in through the moon pool. They then break through a bulkhead door, enter a serviceway behind the security monitors, disable that, get a keycard to deactivate the alarm, get past the pirahanas (?!), then steal the painting.

+++++++++++

Before I go further, I'd like to state that the KISS principle could be amply applied here, by attaching a limpet charge to the yachts hull, and sinking the fucker. Since it'd be in water shallow enough to dive, your guys are diving through the wreck to recover the goods within minutes, while everyone topside is busy looking for survivors :)

Yes, saltwater is bad for paintings, but they'd only be exposed for an hour or less, and immediately cleaned once on board your ship. Since you'd be getting the whole collection, even if you only save 10% of it in saleable condition, that's still worth $20mil. Well worth it. :D

The most important thing would be to place the charges such that the ship is completely holed and sinks within a minute or two. This prevents any fire damage and precludes the owners taking the paintings with them off the boat. It also precludes anyone getting off the boat, but them's the breaks.

+++++++++++

On the approach, they have to cut through a steel grate covering the moonpool to get into the ship. A hacksaw was quicker than a pnuematic angle grinder, powered by the scuba tank. But then the hacksaw only needed to cut through tubing, not bar. Solid bar would be faster cut with the angle grinder.

At this point, both teams are supposed to be able to monitor the internal security monitors though a wireless receiver they bring with them, to observe the guard and their presence on camera.

The nigger was a fuck-up throughout this entire series, and it continues from the very start here, where he gets the receiver wet and destroys it before they've even cut the moonpool bars. :rolleyes:

HINT: When taking electronics underwater, or anywhere near water, put them inside a suitable waterproof container first, and keep them in the waterproof container the entire time you are in the water, not just when you happen to be under it.

Both teams use a gas-powered chopsaw with an abrasive wheel to cut through the bulkhead door. Why? Doors are meant to be opened. Highly doubtful they are alarmed on board an occupied ship.

Next, into the utility corridor behind the monitors to both access the gallery and to fiddle with the monitors so the guards don't see them.

Again, the red team was hampered by the moron nigger, as their instructions were on paper, and you can guess what happened to them. LAMINATION? They also make waterproof paper and ink, but these people don't seem to understand this.

After cutting through a wall connecting the service corridor with the gallery, they have to get to a small safe to get the keycard to turn off the pressure sensitive floor alarm. How convenient that there's a tile perimeter around which they can manuever without stepping on the floor.

After turning off the floor alarm, they remove the fake painting covering the piranaha tank behind which the real painting is stored. Then they start removing the fish. WHAT?! I know, you can't kill anything on TV nowadays with the eco-freaks suing you, but still...since they are going to use 'explosives' to destroy the tank anyways, why bother? But it was funny watching the fish chew a hole right through the net they tried to capture them in. :p

Animals, no matter how large or hungry, are ineffective deterrents, as any animal can be killed/immobilized/lured away.

Did I forget to mention how the nigger stepped on the floor and set off the alarm prematurely?

And the idea of using explosives on board of a ship to break a fish tank is absurd! A centerpunch or some other hard tool would easily do the task, and without any noise or risk of destroying a painting.

Once they get the painting, they roll it up, stick it in a case, and run out of there, as they set off the alarm when they removed the 'real' painting.

Niggers team lost in the end, because they didn't take the surveillance tape while they were there. That, and they were just fuck ups from the start.

I'd also like to point out that you NEVER roll or fold a painting! This will damage it because the paint will be cracked and flake off. You ALWAYS keep paintings flat! Drawings on paper are OK, though.

The other thing I've noticed is how there was constant bickering and ego-clashes amoungst the 'crimies'. They always spent a lot of time arguing. All the more reason for only having men, and only two at that, on a job. You start adding people and it gets complicated. Add women and it gets catty. ;)

Also, the contining lack of proper dress for the job is problematic, with no gloves, face masks, or full-body coverage.

And, in addition to all this, the use of proper names! Aarrghh! NO, NO, NO!

You never use proper names, even if it's something common-as-dirt like 'Smith'. ALWAYS use a handle, and a different one every job. Keep it simple to remember so you don't have to revert to 'Hey, you!'

If the persons main task is alarm nullification, then call him something related to that task, like 'Horn', 'Bells', 'Wire', or the like. The guy breaking into the vault is 'Hammer', 'Sledge', 'Drill', or such.

To ensure no accidential slips of the tongue get recorded, it'd be best if nobody knows anyone elses real name, or even usual handle. You can't give up what you don't know.

I haven't heard anything about Irish heists. E-mail me with the particulars or a URL about it, if you would.

[shady mutha]

I dont have any links for the robberys, but I read about them on the BBC news site. Scroll down to UK news then click Northern Ireland its is still readable by serching the achives using keyword" robbery."
Police have appealed for information about 2 cars used in a 1.2 million pound robbery. I man and a woman were taken hostage by four masked gunmen in their flat in the Belvoir area of Belfast on Tuesday....
I cant believe you have heard about the huge heist someone pulled just before Christmas. Biggest cash heist in history :eek: 35 milliom pounds :eek: .
The tactic is always the same. Home invasion. Kidnap workers family. Tell them you want X amount of cash or the hostage dies. Simple as that. Ruthless but effective.

[shady mutha]

I dont have any links for the robberys, but I read about them on the BBC news site. Scroll down to UK news then click Northern Ireland its is still readable by serching the achives using keyword" robbery."
Police have appealed for information about 2 cars used in a 1.2 million pound robbery. I man and a woman were taken hostage by four masked gunmen in their flat in the Belvoir area of Belfast on Tuesday....
I cant believe you have heard about the huge heist someone pulled just before Christmas. Biggest cash heist in history :eek: 35 milliom pounds :eek: .
The tactic is always the same. Home invasion. Kidnap workers family. Tell them you want X amount of cash or the hostage dies. Simple as that. Ruthless but effective.

[shady mutha]

I dont have any links for the robberys, but I read about them on the BBC news site. Scroll down to UK news then click Northern Ireland its is still readable by serching the achives using keyword" robbery."
Police have appealed for information about 2 cars used in a 1.2 million pound robbery. I man and a woman were taken hostage by four masked gunmen in their flat in the Belvoir area of Belfast on Tuesday....
I cant believe you have heard about the huge heist someone pulled just before Christmas. Biggest cash heist in history :eek: 35 milliom pounds :eek: .
The tactic is always the same. Home invasion. Kidnap workers family. Tell them you want X amount of cash or the hostage dies. Simple as that. Ruthless but effective.

[Hobbit Porn]

Shady Mutha : It might have been the biggest cash heist, but the bank robbers are gonna have a hard time getting any value out of it. IIRC, most of the cash was the irish denomination...which is pretty much worthless outsite of Northern Ireland ( Ireland? forgive my ignorance, I'm not sure which country the money is minted for), and so the police are paying extra attention for anyone trying to move large sus of Irish Pounds.

But I am surprised it didn't make the news where you are NBK, as the news here liked to use that fact to kinda joke about the stupid Irish stereotype.

[Hobbit Porn]

Shady Mutha : It might have been the biggest cash heist, but the bank robbers are gonna have a hard time getting any value out of it. IIRC, most of the cash was the irish denomination...which is pretty much worthless outsite of Northern Ireland ( Ireland? forgive my ignorance, I'm not sure which country the money is minted for), and so the police are paying extra attention for anyone trying to move large sus of Irish Pounds.

But I am surprised it didn't make the news where you are NBK, as the news here liked to use that fact to kinda joke about the stupid Irish stereotype.

[Hobbit Porn]

Shady Mutha : It might have been the biggest cash heist, but the bank robbers are gonna have a hard time getting any value out of it. IIRC, most of the cash was the irish denomination...which is pretty much worthless outsite of Northern Ireland ( Ireland? forgive my ignorance, I'm not sure which country the money is minted for), and so the police are paying extra attention for anyone trying to move large sus of Irish Pounds.

But I am surprised it didn't make the news where you are NBK, as the news here liked to use that fact to kinda joke about the stupid Irish stereotype.

[megalomania]

I actually saw that epidode a few nights ago. I have never seen the show until you mentioned it.

I wondered why they just didn't take the guard hostage to begin with, steal his keycard, and walk into the painting room. And it did look like the bulkhead door opening part was on their side. It may have been locked though. I assume it would have to be if they cut through it... but with these jokers...

When I saw them waisting so much time trying to scoop out the damn fish I was stunned! WTF are they bothering with some dumb ass fish for? Just attach the charges and blow the tank for gods sake! And they didn't even need explosives for that job, it was a glass fish tank. A crow bar or that saw would have made quicker work. Another thing, those charges should have been ready to go before they got into that room, not 10 minutes later.

Yes, the lazy bastard rushed into the room before waiting 5 more seconds until the pressure sensitive floor was turned off. Tsk tsk, how unprofessional. If I had $100,000 on the line (the grand prize for the show) I would not be so careless. Every action should have been thought out BEFORE being done!

There use of proper names is a reflection of their other screw ups. They should be wearing masks. They showed how both teams lost points during the forensic evaluation by having a face (the women in both cases) caught on a live survealance feed.

[megalomania]

I actually saw that epidode a few nights ago. I have never seen the show until you mentioned it.

I wondered why they just didn't take the guard hostage to begin with, steal his keycard, and walk into the painting room. And it did look like the bulkhead door opening part was on their side. It may have been locked though. I assume it would have to be if they cut through it... but with these jokers...

When I saw them waisting so much time trying to scoop out the damn fish I was stunned! WTF are they bothering with some dumb ass fish for? Just attach the charges and blow the tank for gods sake! And they didn't even need explosives for that job, it was a glass fish tank. A crow bar or that saw would have made quicker work. Another thing, those charges should have been ready to go before they got into that room, not 10 minutes later.

Yes, the lazy bastard rushed into the room before waiting 5 more seconds until the pressure sensitive floor was turned off. Tsk tsk, how unprofessional. If I had $100,000 on the line (the grand prize for the show) I would not be so careless. Every action should have been thought out BEFORE being done!

There use of proper names is a reflection of their other screw ups. They should be wearing masks. They showed how both teams lost points during the forensic evaluation by having a face (the women in both cases) caught on a live survealance feed.

[megalomania]

I actually saw that epidode a few nights ago. I have never seen the show until you mentioned it.

I wondered why they just didn't take the guard hostage to begin with, steal his keycard, and walk into the painting room. And it did look like the bulkhead door opening part was on their side. It may have been locked though. I assume it would have to be if they cut through it... but with these jokers...

When I saw them waisting so much time trying to scoop out the damn fish I was stunned! WTF are they bothering with some dumb ass fish for? Just attach the charges and blow the tank for gods sake! And they didn't even need explosives for that job, it was a glass fish tank. A crow bar or that saw would have made quicker work. Another thing, those charges should have been ready to go before they got into that room, not 10 minutes later.

Yes, the lazy bastard rushed into the room before waiting 5 more seconds until the pressure sensitive floor was turned off. Tsk tsk, how unprofessional. If I had $100,000 on the line (the grand prize for the show) I would not be so careless. Every action should have been thought out BEFORE being done!

There use of proper names is a reflection of their other screw ups. They should be wearing masks. They showed how both teams lost points during the forensic evaluation by having a face (the women in both cases) caught on a live survealance feed.

[shady mutha]

Yes I heard the Gov is removing some of the type of stolen notes from circulation, but the damage is done. I am more interested the the tactics used than the police response. A brilliant job if you ask me. No one was hurt, no charges laid cant get better that that. I would say everyone involved is set for life. Funny part is it was an Australian Bank that owned the money! HaHaHar. Talk about luck of the Irish.

[shady mutha]

Yes I heard the Gov is removing some of the type of stolen notes from circulation, but the damage is done. I am more interested the the tactics used than the police response. A brilliant job if you ask me. No one was hurt, no charges laid cant get better that that. I would say everyone involved is set for life. Funny part is it was an Australian Bank that owned the money! HaHaHar. Talk about luck of the Irish.

[shady mutha]

Yes I heard the Gov is removing some of the type of stolen notes from circulation, but the damage is done. I am more interested the the tactics used than the police response. A brilliant job if you ask me. No one was hurt, no charges laid cant get better that that. I would say everyone involved is set for life. Funny part is it was an Australian Bank that owned the money! HaHaHar. Talk about luck of the Irish.

[Jacks Complete]

The Irish notes thing is quite funny.

In true fashion, Northern Ireland and Scotland has "throwback" bank notes. Each major bank with permission prints it's own banknotes.

In NI, The Bank of Ireland, The National Bank, The Ulster Bank, The Northern Bank, The Provincial Bank of Ireland, The Belfast Banking Company are all allowed to print notes (may not be totally up to date) and in Scotland, Clydesdale Bank, Bank of Scotland and Royal Bank of Scotland are allowed.

So, when the whole country only has 1.65 million people (NI) yet so many banks allowed to issue notes, when you steal almost all the notes of one type, it is fairly worthwhile to just change out that type!

Now, if like Ireland, the UK *had* joined the Euro... That would be a very, very different story!

[Jacks Complete]

The Irish notes thing is quite funny.

In true fashion, Northern Ireland and Scotland has "throwback" bank notes. Each major bank with permission prints it's own banknotes.

In NI, The Bank of Ireland, The National Bank, The Ulster Bank, The Northern Bank, The Provincial Bank of Ireland, The Belfast Banking Company are all allowed to print notes (may not be totally up to date) and in Scotland, Clydesdale Bank, Bank of Scotland and Royal Bank of Scotland are allowed.

So, when the whole country only has 1.65 million people (NI) yet so many banks allowed to issue notes, when you steal almost all the notes of one type, it is fairly worthwhile to just change out that type!

Now, if like Ireland, the UK *had* joined the Euro... That would be a very, very different story!

[Jacks Complete]

The Irish notes thing is quite funny.

In true fashion, Northern Ireland and Scotland has "throwback" bank notes. Each major bank with permission prints it's own banknotes.

In NI, The Bank of Ireland, The National Bank, The Ulster Bank, The Northern Bank, The Provincial Bank of Ireland, The Belfast Banking Company are all allowed to print notes (may not be totally up to date) and in Scotland, Clydesdale Bank, Bank of Scotland and Royal Bank of Scotland are allowed.

So, when the whole country only has 1.65 million people (NI) yet so many banks allowed to issue notes, when you steal almost all the notes of one type, it is fairly worthwhile to just change out that type!

Now, if like Ireland, the UK *had* joined the Euro... That would be a very, very different story!