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me234
March 2nd, 2006, 02:01 AM
I was hoping the simplicity of the title would do this thread justice.
While not really an engineering type thread, this section does have the word 'plans' in the title, so I figured If the shape charge fits the door...

So anyways, this here thread is about IT. The Crackdown. And any associated plans one might need to make, especially since it has, for all intents and purposes, happened in basically all the countries in the world (except maybe for the anarchist states - oxymoron?).

We live amongst sleeping people every day, all of us. At some point we all discovered that we ourselves were awake. How we each come to that point is for each of us to know for ourselves. A memory to cherish or despise, everyone has a different tale.
But this is besides the point...
Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to witness and celebrate the fact that we are awake. We are here to discuss possible plans for the future. NOT OUR OWN PLANS, mind you, we wouldn't want to help any pork based members of out society if we don't have to.

So, picking up where the 'Active Demonstration' thread left off:
I have to agree, the sheeple, while being terribly shocked:rolleyes: , would not actually (I really hope so at least) turn against people who don't bomb (as an example) them. They consider themselves different from anyone who wears a uniform, or who holds an office. True, they might get scared when they think that their (actually the government's) police force suddenly has difficulty protecting them (like they every did:rolleyes: ), and they'll them have mass demonstrations to show just how much they want their freedoms taken away some more because they need to feel protected. BUT, they themselves were not directly attacked. They don't see other people as other people, they see them as their professions. If a poor, hard-working average Joe dies by accident in an attack, then they'll turn vicious, but as far as they're concerned, if your neighbours kid (who's a cop) gets killed, well then it's all right 'cause he "knew the risks". JackAsses.:mad:
So, moral of the story?
Minimise any unnecessary "civilian" deaths, if you can do that, then the population can still convince themselves that this whole thing is only happening to other people, not them. In this way they can plausibly deny the whole thing to themselves, and thus allow themselves to remain asleep.
Don't do anything that will inhibit the sheeple's ability to lie to themselves.
In this way, their sleeping actually can be in OUR favour, of course the reverse is true, but a few days ago nothing was in our favour, them Chris and the others in the discussion brought to my attention this fact, and now I know of at least one advantage we can make use of (IF, IF we are careful).
Just imagine what advantages we might discover we could have in the next few days.

For those who want to know how to find people like ourselves. Well, to be honest, I haven't been able to find any good ideas yet. The only thing that has worked for me so far, is you have normal conversations with as many people as you can, and try to decide who you might be able to convince to think like you. Bring a newspaper with when you do. at some point mention some news article about crime or some such to get the conversation going in that direction. Then somehow (I haven't once been able to do this part smoothly or gently yet) bring up a couple examples of how we have not freedoms any more. Start off small. I've found that if you mention something that directly involves them, that prevents them form saying to themselves "well it's happening to other people, not me!". Something along the lines of how they can track you through your cellphone, or how they listen in to every word you say over the phone, or send in an e-mail: "Hey, did you know (say it as a fact, don't let them think that you heard it secondhand, and it might not be true, therefore it must be untrue) that the government listens in to to everything you say on the phone? Kinda weird huh? I mean, like who are they to decide I can't say anything private to my wife anymore?" Something soft and smooth. Also, if there are lots of cameras around, mention how people are watching you right then. Most people don't care about cameras because they think of them as this perfect criminal catching machine, they forget that somebody's actually behind them. If they can believe that nobody's behind them, then they can convince themselves that they aren't actually being watched. Bring this fact to their attention.
Going about a conversation this way can let you judge their responses, and decide if they might feel similarly to you, or if not, it sets the foundation for convincing them otherwise. Pull in facts about how gun crime went UP in England after they banned guns. Shit like this helps shock people awake, force them to actually face/confront these things that only moments ago they could ignore.
The hard part is trusting someone, and also convincing them that violence is probably the only other way. "People will do anything to avoid a fight" - Fight Club (again, sorry about the movie reference, but script writers have a natural ability to convey ideas, so I don't mind quoting them every now and then.

The problem with finding people like us, who don't require any convincing, is that they'll also try to blend in, just like us, trying to avoid anything but anonymity. Generally, I get the feeling that we like to hang back form the crowd; not give too many personal anecdotes; not talk about ourselves; kinda stay out of conversations about gun-control or anything that might betray our true sentiments. So the solution?
We have to start putting ourselves out there. We'll never start anything if we can't let people know how we feel verbally. If we can't talk to one person about how we feel (while convincing them we're right of course, try to avoid lost causes here) how are we ultimately going to wake up the masses?
Yes it’s scary, but it needs to be done.
When you talk to people, bring up controversial stuff, like tracking people's movement through phones etc. How you can't make a non-cash purchase without someone deciding that your money should go through.
Find out who feels the same way! They find out how much they feel the same.
I've so far found one person who feels the same as me about the G-boys, and I've been able to convince one other (hopefully so far - ignore my earlier definition of "hope" for this time) that feeling safe was an illusion. I made them both feel very antsy when I mentioned how they are being tracked, and listened to through their phones right then and there.
BUT, neither of them wants violence, they are both scared, they feel that there must be another way, and because there is an out that didn't require them to act themselves, then violence can be avoided, and they don't actually have to wake up completely. They now are a bit nervous of their phones etc. But only when they remember to be so. So in fact, I didn't really achieve much at all.

If people can convince themselves that there MUST be another way (even if they don't know there is one, or even if they just say that "there must be"), then they WILL continue to sleep. Maybe one step about the deep slumber of the masses, but asleep nonetheless.
Sheeple will do anything, including ignoring all the scary things you just told them, to stay asleep.
I feel the only way to rouse them is to scare them more than TV and the news has scared them about their safety.
They became asleep through a very slow process. a slow move to a police state. None of them worried about all these new laws because they all came about - sloooowwlllyyyy. So what's an answer (not the only one - I "hope")?
Show them everything on fats forward. List everything that has happened, and that will happen to THEM, themselves, in as short a period of time as you can while still being coherent and convincing. If the government's tool is time, and their abundance of it (like those really, really ling trance songs I talked about, actually, EXACTLY like it now that I think about it. Hot SHIT, the G-men, and laws, are one big trance song!:eek: ) then our tool is our ability to shorten it.
What happens when you watch a slow TV plot? You fall asleep.
What happens when someone throws something at your head? you don’t have time to convince yourself that it's going to hit someone else, you catch, it, you react. Because human being have in instinct to react when needs be.
That's it.
That's how we beat them!
We do everything fast!
Then lull them to sleep, we have to shock them awake, throw balls at the heads, make then snap away and catch it. After we're done doing things to the people we need to (police etc.), and we've successfully avoided the sheeple, and allowed them to let themselves sleep, then we need that ONE THING for them. As semi-wakeful people (not sheeple) ourselves, our ONE THING will be something different, and the government will never be the cause of it because they want us to be able to convince ourselves that everything's happening to other people, thus allowing us to lie to ourselves, and become sheeple again. BUT, what WE can do is, we can maybe, just maybe, bring about THE ONE THING for the rest of the sheeple. We must find what that may be, and we must force it, not gently bring them around to the idea and ease them in, the time for smoothness will be over them.

WE MUST SHOCK THEM AWAKE!

It is our only chance.

P.S. Chris, until this starts, this is a purely non-inciting, theoretical discussion.
After it starts (IF it starts) I think we can all agree to let YOU decide again if this is only theoretical...

For anyone reading this, again, purely discussion, not an incitement to anything, despite how it's worded.

I forgot to mention 2 things:
Firstly: while offering other people ideas and advice, try not to betray your own plans, or the way you think, or anything else that might aid people trying to track you down; catch you; kill you etc. Why make it any easier for them if you don't have to.

Secondly: Use as much colourful language / big words as you can. It might make it a bit harder for non-english speakers to follow, but if you have read George Orwell's "1984", he mentions how the government was slowly eliminating any unnecessary words (i.e. any words they didn't like the sound of). Their logic was that if people did not know the words to describe what they felt, and thus couldn't even convey these feelings to themselves, let alone any one else, how could anything come of those feelings.
Imagine, if you will, that when you were brought up as a child, you never learnt the word "angry", or even "love". What would you then do when you felt those things. If you never learnt about them or what they meant, didn't even have a name to make your emotions real, are they in fact real? You would go around so confused about what was happening to you that you would never confront those feelings or deal with them, or act on them.
You would effectively not feel them, because you would not KNOW that you felt them.
I think therefore I am people.

Chris The Great
March 3rd, 2006, 04:51 AM
More important with 1984 is that without words that mean anything, for the newspeak that was replacing everything defined everything broadly without any specifics, is that nobody would ever overthrow them. They would eliminate "thoughtcrime" completely because people would be unable to express their dissatisfaction with their lives. And more importantly, they would be unable to express their thoughts to anyone.

That book was scary, but it shows EXACTLY (well, close to) what we are heading towards. The meaningless of human relationships, the removal of any loyalties beyond that to Big Brother, the constant survellience being accepted as normal, and the redirection of anger at their current situation towards external enemies are all things we can see creeping into our society.

This, of course, must be stopped. I'll get a big post on plans up tommorrow or saturday. I have some very big ideas but not enough time to type them up until the weekend.

From what I have seen all over the internet, at least amoung the more intelligent people (and nearly all of the well armed people) is that they are mad. They don't have a focussed target yet, but you can sense a general hostility towards the government and loss of their freedoms. I think there might be a lot more people than we would expect just waiting to be woken up. We'll see, I will need to do more looking around. But it's something I've seen slowly building up over the years.
These people will be the first to wake up. Which is a good thing, because I've seen this sentiment most heavily on militia forums (which is good for us, obviously).

They recommended the exact some methods of slowly working stuff into conversations, while being a normal, nice friendly guy, to get people to join the militia. And, it also works on people as well. What doesn't work is walking up to people and asking them flat out.

Alexires
March 3rd, 2006, 09:50 AM
*laughs his ass off*

This is well written, have a look at it.
http://www.stim.com/Stim-x/7.1/FBI/fbi.html
Ok, its a bit scary as well, but it thought it might give you a good laugh, but also hit home a bit in concern to big brother watching you.

me234
March 4th, 2006, 04:13 AM
Don't forget Chris, don't post anything that'll betray your own plans, and don't give them an insight to your inner workings. When they can figure out your head, then you're dead.

OK, so the obvious first thing one needs is various escape plans, it's all good and well having a hand built cabin in the woods with a cache next to it, and nobody knows of either, but, when the pigs knock on your front door, how do you get out without getting apprehended in a vile act of hypocritical injustice (lookit the big words ma!)?
A tunnel might be handy, but mostly it'll be impractical depending on where you live.
Maybe have a couple bottles of teargas or something stashed nearby with a as mask. You can gas them, and while they're on the ground trying to breathe, you can escape.
So, any more initial escape plans?
Lets hypothesise a situation:
A flat in the city. No back door. Cops knock on it at 2:30 am. How do you get around them? Break through the neighbours wall? Chris, Alexires, any ideas?

Alexires
March 4th, 2006, 10:26 AM
Hmmm. Anyone seen the movie conspiracy theory? For those of you who havent, this guy lives in an apartment, and insulates his house. Then, he sets it up so that as he runs his pre planned escape if the feds come knocking (with gas masks) he hits these buttons. Each button sets fire to the wall (I'm thinking a few nice big thermite rods running up the wall), then he pulls in a fireman suit and goes to another apartment and exits just as the firemen arrive.

I suppose to work out ways to escape, you must consider the circumstances that they are in. For instance, if you havent done anything too serious, and there is nothing incriminating in your house, then the dreaded "Fedral Police, We have a warrant" will probably warrant non-lethal force, or anything that could be considered lethal. When I see this flat in my mind, I'm guessing your standard 1,2,3 flats together, joined wall to wall.

If they are joined wall to wall, that probably means they share the same roof. Personally, I'd have some smoke devices in the kitchen, say a couple of BIG pots filled with an uneven sugar/kno3 mix near the stove. When I say big, I mean big (as in kg of the stuff). Have a way of getting into the roof quickly (rope ladder so you can pull it up after) and have a way of getting into the neighbours roof. When the knock comes, ignite the sugar mixes, and run for the ladder. Get into the roof, pull the ladder up afterwards and close the cover thingy. Then, make your way to your neighbours roof and another exit you have hidden in his roof to the outside. Get out, and run like a biatch to a car/bike/anything in a hidden place to make your escape.

But *grin*, lets say that they are coming, and you have some energetic devices lying around, a meth lab in the back with 50kg of product, a kiddy porn dungeon, and anything else that will mean a niiiiiice loooong sentance with bubba, the it probably wont matter if you hurt/kill a few piggies on the way.

Personally, I'd probably go with the smoke idea as before, but have a cylinder or oxygen and a cylinder of hydrogen near your ceiling exit point. Light the smoke mixes, open the valves and get into the roof. Same as before, you will probably just want to do it faster. Another method might be those formaldehyde roach bombs you can get. I have no idea how you activate those so they go of, but if you can do it quickly, set off 30 or so, and that will probably work the same as well as being poisonous.

Otherwise, have it set up so you can torch the house (as in the movie) and escape in the mayhem. Also, if its the dark hours, I'm guessing the pigs will have night vision. A few strobe lights should piss them off nicely. A few noise makers to confuse them a little, maybe a dozen cardboard cutouts that look like people. In the smoke, and the strobe, they might have a little trouble working that out *chuckle*

Also, I've read about these fire extinguishers that flood the area with halon 1301. Have a look on google, but basically the idea is that is floods the area with a CFC and inhibits fires. You can also get ones with CO2 in them. As well as inhibiting fires, I dont think gas masks are going to do much against them. Have your flat set up with a CO2 thingy and set off the smoke containers. It should take a little while for the smoke to reach the sensor outside the kitchen, by that time you should be half way into the roof. The feds can come in, but they will soon be going out.

I don't really know how the cops do it. Is it *knock knock knock* "police here, we have a warrant, would you kindly open the door please sir?" or is it more "fedral police etc." then the door goes down. If its the first, I'm guessing you have a few mins. If its the latter, maybe 30 seconds at the best of times?

It all really depends. The best advice would probably be to not live in a place with only one exit but yeah, I guess sometimes you don't have a choice.

I'm pretty tired, so the ideas above might just be crap. I'll probably lie in bed thinking about these a little, and will get back to it if I think of anything earth shattering.

Night boys.

cyclonite4
March 5th, 2006, 12:47 AM
Yes, I saw that movie a few years ago. That was with Mel Gibson right?

One thing I though was neat, was the idea of placing a glass bottle on the inside door knob, so it balanced, and the slightest turn of the knob would cause it to fall and break (alerting him to entry). Something I just thought of, would be filling that bottle with something flammable, and place a candle on the ground, however, that may not be very safe (i.e. may set fire on its own, not good!), and probably wouldnt work if the door was kicked in.

Another thing that could be done, is observing how far the door flexes if its kicked/forced, or if it hits any walls, and place a pressure switch there which activates your smoke mix, or maybe some other explosive/incendiary, so when 'they' kick the door in...

Something else you could do, is get a cheap webcam, and position it to view outside the house, and hook it up to your computer. You probably won't be able to monitor it constantly, but it could give you a good time advantage if you see the cops rock up.
Infact, to make it easier, you could get one of those garage lights with the PIR on it, which switches on when it detects movement. Place one of these outside too, but rather than connect a lightglobe, wire it to your room, and rig it to a small alarm. This way, when you hear the alarm/bell, you can just look through the camera, and see who it is.

Basically, do whatever you can (based on your situation), to give you as much time as possible to escape.

simply RED
March 6th, 2006, 10:47 AM
I doubt the pigs are gonna chase you before you commit a "~CrImE~".
Do not forget they are so corrupted that no time should be wasted on chasing ghosts. Time is essential to steal more (maybe they dig the money with themselves after kaput? )! Who knows - tomorrow the shit can be kicked or his mandate ends and no longer is able to steal as before...

For now - noone of us comitted any such. We are clear like a mountain spring.
And how could it be - we are the heroes trying to save the world :P .

------------------
Not talking for the situation now - not to give unnecessary info flow. Just talking for the future.

our future advantages:

- mobile untracable force noone gives a shit for
- short lasting highly effective actins
- internet, satelite, radio - enhanced communication
- wise use of the new technologies
- possible allies

most common disadvantages:

- too low numbers
- chronic shortage of funds
- chronic shortage of time
- chronic shortage of ammonitions (joking)

:)

Alexires
March 6th, 2006, 10:58 PM
I would have to dissagree with that simply RED.

I'm sure if the state could make it a crime to think about crime, they would do so. If they have a suspicion that you are thinking about doing something "bad" then they will investigate you, and if they have enough evidence, they will get you for "conspiracy to......" It is no longer a case of innocent until proven guilty. Tried infront of a host of the sheeple, you will need to prove your innocence, as they think you are guilty. Hell, I don't think Australia has the innocent until proven guilty deal. We might not have done anything yet, but just because we are talking about it may put us on the list.

Where you talk about the advantages, I believe two contradict each other. If we are a force that is mobile, untracable and no one cares about, then we arn't really effective. And if we are effective, then people are going to start caring.

The rest is very true, money is a problem. In my current finantial state I'm about as useful as a hat full of assholes. Time I have plenty of (probably thats the reason I'm low on funds) and most definately low on numbers.

Allies are all well and good, but the term allies means they are their own seperate organisation and if they share exactly the same views as us, why are we seperate? I'd be a little worried that they had other plans, but thats probably just my paranoid self.

To cyclonite4, yeah that was Mel Gibson. One of my favorite movies actually *grin*.
That idea with the garage light and webcam was bloody brilliant. I just had an idea. If you had a glass rod with a very small copper wire in it, if the glass was snapped, it would probably break the copper wire right? Well, hook that to your door so its like the castles of old. Before you go to bed, slide the glass rod through a little hole, so if the door bends X amount it snaps, severing the copper wire with current running through it and setting off an alarm in your room and/or the smoke devices. You might have a little trouble with the webcam at night though. Maybe rig those outdoor sensors to big xenon lights as well as the alarm *chuckle* that would piss them off.

Chris The Great
March 7th, 2006, 03:14 AM
I'm sure a webcam would be able to warn you if a large group of people dressed in black (no knock warrant SWAT team) where headed into your building/property. This way it could wake you up. Sure, sometimes it would be wrong but I would feel safer losing an occasional half hour of sleep than waking up with 15 well armed cops bursting into my room.

I think what simplyRED was trying to say is that only the leaders of us would really have to worry. But, I doubt they would lead any hypothetical revolution as it would be too risky. The thing is, we're smart enough to have one person leading this, if our "leader" is captured it won't affect our ability much and we can just bust him out :D
At the moment, no one does care however. We haven't done anything and in all likely hood we aren't likely to do anything more than just talk like we've done for our entire existance. Case in point: I said I'd have a big post, and I don't.

I think by allies he is refering to all the other well armed groups in the net, for examply survivalists and militia members. I've noticed these people have very similar views regarding the government as we do. And, they have no lack of ammunition or firearms. Supported with our explosives and CW I think any strike team we sent out would be extremely effective. This assumes that we can actually get allies of course.

Remember, we don't need everyone fighting, people just transporting/smuggling weapons and ammo to where their needed are going to be extremely useful, as are people who can host a strike team for a night or two before and after an op before they split up dissappear into the night.
I know a lot of people have family and such and they aren't willing to risk their lives, which is completely understandably, but they could be extremely useful for just letting ten guys crash in their basement for a night. It leaves a lot less evidence than a hotel stay and is also cheaper.


The main thing is setting up a communication network that does not depend upon this forum. If this forum goes down we need to be able to communicate with every member and every one of our allies. It can't be something the pigs can shut down either, like a central server. We need to decentralize, in real life we are decentralized but online we are all in one place. They can easily cripple our ability to communicate with everyone simply by closing down this site.
I'm not sure how we could do this but I think we should start working on it as soon as possible.
Not only with this network keep everyone in touch in case of a another long term forum downage, but it would also be the communication network for any rebellion against the thought police.


Finally, if you are preparing for this, don't post how much or what you have. You might mention you have worked out a nerve gas procedure and post details, but don't post you made ten liters of it and buried it for later use.

cyclonite4
March 7th, 2006, 06:01 AM
To cyclonite4, yeah that was Mel Gibson. One of my favorite movies actually *grin*.
That idea with the garage light and webcam was bloody brilliant. I just had an idea. If you had a glass rod with a very small copper wire in it, if the glass was snapped, it would probably break the copper wire right? Well, hook that to your door so its like the castles of old. Before you go to bed, slide the glass rod through a little hole, so if the door bends X amount it snaps, severing the copper wire with current running through it and setting off an alarm in your room and/or the smoke devices. You might have a little trouble with the webcam at night though. Maybe rig those outdoor sensors to big xenon lights as well as the alarm *chuckle* that would piss them off.

Haha, thank you. :)
I must say actually, the idea with the glass rod is pretty good too (my idea only work if the door is kicked in with force), as it would work against the sneaky kinds who prefer a silent entry. I'm sure the wire would break if its thin enough, with or without the glass rod.
You could probably apply the same theory to protecting windows (wire accross the glass, and for windows that open too), although it would probably be less effective, and there may be a way to put those 'window break' alarms to use instead.

As for the webcam at night, a heap of infra red LEDs can be put together to make an IR spotlight, which wont be seen by the naked eye, but will provide enough light to illuminate the cam (would work better with a black and white camera).
Infact, you could put all the IR leds and the circuitry inside an spotlight globe (the ones used for the PIR garage lights), and put that in the socket (with its own powersupply, not running off 240V) as if it were a 'real' globe, or use a power supply/transformer, and fit that in the globe with the IR LEDs, restore the globe, and have it run as normal in the PIR, so that it switches on, only when someone/thing is detected (as well as having the PIR rigged to the alarm in your room).

Like what Chris said, better lose half an hour sleep, than be surrounded by half a dozen cops while in bed (shudder). :P

The main thing is setting up a communication network that does not depend upon this forum. If this forum goes down we need to be able to communicate with every member and every one of our allies. It can't be something the pigs can shut down either, like a central server. We need to decentralize, in real life we are decentralized but online we are all in one place. They can easily cripple our ability to communicate with everyone simply by closing down this site.
I'm not sure how we could do this but I think we should start working on it as soon as possible.
Not only with this network keep everyone in touch in case of a another long term forum downage, but it would also be the communication network for any rebellion against the thought police.

Good idea, maybe a thread should be started about this.

Alexires
March 7th, 2006, 09:24 AM
I've started a thread on de-centralised communications, along with a few ideas. Check it out guys and tell me what you think.

Alexires
March 7th, 2006, 11:35 PM
I was thinking about this all last night, and it occured to me. Do we actually have any idea what we would change if we could? I can accept that due to human nature, almost any government will be corrupt, so replacing it is just pointless. What do we want out of all this? I'm not too sure myself.

Chris The Great
March 8th, 2006, 01:11 AM
You are correct in replacing the government, lets be honest, we wouldn't make a good government at all.

Basically, removing everything that makes the government the police state that has got us so mad in the first place, ie patriot act, the laws JC mentioned in the "active demonstration..." thread, reducing the federal governments power, etc. We need to keep the basic democratic parts functioning though, or the public won't accept it and get pretty pissed. Basically, we'd rip out and fix up the inside of the house while leaving the outside looking nice.

This would be best discussed in a seperate thread in the watercooler, "What needs to be changed" or something to that effect. We can hash it all out there.

akinrog
March 8th, 2006, 09:12 PM
While I'm uneasy about discussing a "plan" on a public board which is IMHO, continously spidered by search engine robots, I've got something to say about overthrowing a corrupt government.

I mean in case of a corrupt government, at least 40 percent of the population shall be involved in such corruption, unless the government form is an oligarchy or monarchy (in which case the involvement rate shall be decreased but not eliminated).

Assume that you are living in and a citizen of a really corrupt and bad state wherein citizens are robbed, tortured, raped and ill treated. In such a state, not only the government circles (i.e. politicians, senior officials, civil cervants, police, army, armed forces, security forces) shall be involved in the atrocities taking place, but also many non-governmental actors shall also be responsible for them.

So, if you want to get rid of the regime, then you have to eliminate all, I mean all, of these wrong-doers and any associates they may have (which implies passive supporters, friends, families, so on and so forth).

And as you may notice, this is clean butchery which shall, most probably, entail new and more atrocities, since you also commit atrocities to get rid of them.
Regards.
Edit : A typo

Chris The Great
March 8th, 2006, 09:26 PM
Very good point, which is why the central issue is to keep the body count to a minimum.

One thing I got out of 1984 that is good is that killing someone while they oppose you only helps their cause. You need to break them down and put them back together to be like you want. And that is why needs to be done to the government. Now, violence would be needed to do such a thing but not on the scale you propose. A few surgical strikes here and there with some follow ups is going to do more than just shooting every corrupt beurocrat you see (despite how fun that would be).

simply RED
March 9th, 2006, 05:36 AM
(despite how fun that would be)
INDEED!!!
Do you know the radio game - "fox hunting". I will make it for them if I have the chance. Me -with gun and directed receiver, the "fox" with transmitter .
very short on:
What should be changed -

-gun control - guns should become more legal
-education system - it is hell nowdays for average young people trying to do science - this MUST change! The state should encourage young people to work with life science, literature, history etc... NOW IT MAKES EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO CONFRONT SUCH PEOPLE (at least here).
-corruption (not everywhere this is a major problem but steadily becoming if not acted fast enough)
For example here they need to hire 10 research associates. They hire one who has the best marks from the uni (he/she may not know anything about the subject of the research but they do not care). The other 9 people are either their relatives or corruption associates.

THIS PISSES ME OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The suckers buy diploms for 5000 - 50000 dolars. And you have to study seven fucking theoretical thermodinamics (that has nothing to do with your speciality) just to get bachelor!
For any other government job this is the same here! Don't you think - it happened where I live, it may happen where you live too (or is already a reality?). This is a global world after all.

nbk2000
March 14th, 2006, 12:19 AM
It's all well and good to discuss things like this, but that's the very problem.

By talking about it in public, you have formed a conspiracy against the Government, giving them the very excuse they would need to shut us down.

Remember raisethefist.com? Dude copped a plea for a year in prison, after facing 20 years on conspiracy and weapons charges.

You can talk about one, or the other, but not both, on the same site.

If you want to overthrow the government, go to www.fruggalsquirrel.com and talk there, as we await it's imminent 404'ing. :)

megalomania
March 14th, 2006, 12:26 AM
I am afraid this is not what I had in mind when I titled this sections "Plans." I meant blueprints and diagrams. One should keep to the theoritical, and avoid venturing into conspiracy territory. Remember, everything you say Will be used against you. I don't want anyone to end up like RaiseTheFist.com. He got a year in the pokey for just mentioning his intent, despite the fact he posted the same explosives crap every other kiddie kewl site had.

I do believe there are other forums in which to discuss actual detailed plans for avoiding the day of the rope, frugal squirrel perhaps. I prefer to stick to the science.