me234
March 2nd, 2006, 02:01 AM
I was hoping the simplicity of the title would do this thread justice.
While not really an engineering type thread, this section does have the word 'plans' in the title, so I figured If the shape charge fits the door...
So anyways, this here thread is about IT. The Crackdown. And any associated plans one might need to make, especially since it has, for all intents and purposes, happened in basically all the countries in the world (except maybe for the anarchist states - oxymoron?).
We live amongst sleeping people every day, all of us. At some point we all discovered that we ourselves were awake. How we each come to that point is for each of us to know for ourselves. A memory to cherish or despise, everyone has a different tale.
But this is besides the point...
Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to witness and celebrate the fact that we are awake. We are here to discuss possible plans for the future. NOT OUR OWN PLANS, mind you, we wouldn't want to help any pork based members of out society if we don't have to.
So, picking up where the 'Active Demonstration' thread left off:
I have to agree, the sheeple, while being terribly shocked:rolleyes: , would not actually (I really hope so at least) turn against people who don't bomb (as an example) them. They consider themselves different from anyone who wears a uniform, or who holds an office. True, they might get scared when they think that their (actually the government's) police force suddenly has difficulty protecting them (like they every did:rolleyes: ), and they'll them have mass demonstrations to show just how much they want their freedoms taken away some more because they need to feel protected. BUT, they themselves were not directly attacked. They don't see other people as other people, they see them as their professions. If a poor, hard-working average Joe dies by accident in an attack, then they'll turn vicious, but as far as they're concerned, if your neighbours kid (who's a cop) gets killed, well then it's all right 'cause he "knew the risks". JackAsses.:mad:
So, moral of the story?
Minimise any unnecessary "civilian" deaths, if you can do that, then the population can still convince themselves that this whole thing is only happening to other people, not them. In this way they can plausibly deny the whole thing to themselves, and thus allow themselves to remain asleep.
Don't do anything that will inhibit the sheeple's ability to lie to themselves.
In this way, their sleeping actually can be in OUR favour, of course the reverse is true, but a few days ago nothing was in our favour, them Chris and the others in the discussion brought to my attention this fact, and now I know of at least one advantage we can make use of (IF, IF we are careful).
Just imagine what advantages we might discover we could have in the next few days.
For those who want to know how to find people like ourselves. Well, to be honest, I haven't been able to find any good ideas yet. The only thing that has worked for me so far, is you have normal conversations with as many people as you can, and try to decide who you might be able to convince to think like you. Bring a newspaper with when you do. at some point mention some news article about crime or some such to get the conversation going in that direction. Then somehow (I haven't once been able to do this part smoothly or gently yet) bring up a couple examples of how we have not freedoms any more. Start off small. I've found that if you mention something that directly involves them, that prevents them form saying to themselves "well it's happening to other people, not me!". Something along the lines of how they can track you through your cellphone, or how they listen in to every word you say over the phone, or send in an e-mail: "Hey, did you know (say it as a fact, don't let them think that you heard it secondhand, and it might not be true, therefore it must be untrue) that the government listens in to to everything you say on the phone? Kinda weird huh? I mean, like who are they to decide I can't say anything private to my wife anymore?" Something soft and smooth. Also, if there are lots of cameras around, mention how people are watching you right then. Most people don't care about cameras because they think of them as this perfect criminal catching machine, they forget that somebody's actually behind them. If they can believe that nobody's behind them, then they can convince themselves that they aren't actually being watched. Bring this fact to their attention.
Going about a conversation this way can let you judge their responses, and decide if they might feel similarly to you, or if not, it sets the foundation for convincing them otherwise. Pull in facts about how gun crime went UP in England after they banned guns. Shit like this helps shock people awake, force them to actually face/confront these things that only moments ago they could ignore.
The hard part is trusting someone, and also convincing them that violence is probably the only other way. "People will do anything to avoid a fight" - Fight Club (again, sorry about the movie reference, but script writers have a natural ability to convey ideas, so I don't mind quoting them every now and then.
The problem with finding people like us, who don't require any convincing, is that they'll also try to blend in, just like us, trying to avoid anything but anonymity. Generally, I get the feeling that we like to hang back form the crowd; not give too many personal anecdotes; not talk about ourselves; kinda stay out of conversations about gun-control or anything that might betray our true sentiments. So the solution?
We have to start putting ourselves out there. We'll never start anything if we can't let people know how we feel verbally. If we can't talk to one person about how we feel (while convincing them we're right of course, try to avoid lost causes here) how are we ultimately going to wake up the masses?
Yes it’s scary, but it needs to be done.
When you talk to people, bring up controversial stuff, like tracking people's movement through phones etc. How you can't make a non-cash purchase without someone deciding that your money should go through.
Find out who feels the same way! They find out how much they feel the same.
I've so far found one person who feels the same as me about the G-boys, and I've been able to convince one other (hopefully so far - ignore my earlier definition of "hope" for this time) that feeling safe was an illusion. I made them both feel very antsy when I mentioned how they are being tracked, and listened to through their phones right then and there.
BUT, neither of them wants violence, they are both scared, they feel that there must be another way, and because there is an out that didn't require them to act themselves, then violence can be avoided, and they don't actually have to wake up completely. They now are a bit nervous of their phones etc. But only when they remember to be so. So in fact, I didn't really achieve much at all.
If people can convince themselves that there MUST be another way (even if they don't know there is one, or even if they just say that "there must be"), then they WILL continue to sleep. Maybe one step about the deep slumber of the masses, but asleep nonetheless.
Sheeple will do anything, including ignoring all the scary things you just told them, to stay asleep.
I feel the only way to rouse them is to scare them more than TV and the news has scared them about their safety.
They became asleep through a very slow process. a slow move to a police state. None of them worried about all these new laws because they all came about - sloooowwlllyyyy. So what's an answer (not the only one - I "hope")?
Show them everything on fats forward. List everything that has happened, and that will happen to THEM, themselves, in as short a period of time as you can while still being coherent and convincing. If the government's tool is time, and their abundance of it (like those really, really ling trance songs I talked about, actually, EXACTLY like it now that I think about it. Hot SHIT, the G-men, and laws, are one big trance song!:eek: ) then our tool is our ability to shorten it.
What happens when you watch a slow TV plot? You fall asleep.
What happens when someone throws something at your head? you don’t have time to convince yourself that it's going to hit someone else, you catch, it, you react. Because human being have in instinct to react when needs be.
That's it.
That's how we beat them!
We do everything fast!
Then lull them to sleep, we have to shock them awake, throw balls at the heads, make then snap away and catch it. After we're done doing things to the people we need to (police etc.), and we've successfully avoided the sheeple, and allowed them to let themselves sleep, then we need that ONE THING for them. As semi-wakeful people (not sheeple) ourselves, our ONE THING will be something different, and the government will never be the cause of it because they want us to be able to convince ourselves that everything's happening to other people, thus allowing us to lie to ourselves, and become sheeple again. BUT, what WE can do is, we can maybe, just maybe, bring about THE ONE THING for the rest of the sheeple. We must find what that may be, and we must force it, not gently bring them around to the idea and ease them in, the time for smoothness will be over them.
WE MUST SHOCK THEM AWAKE!
It is our only chance.
P.S. Chris, until this starts, this is a purely non-inciting, theoretical discussion.
After it starts (IF it starts) I think we can all agree to let YOU decide again if this is only theoretical...
For anyone reading this, again, purely discussion, not an incitement to anything, despite how it's worded.
I forgot to mention 2 things:
Firstly: while offering other people ideas and advice, try not to betray your own plans, or the way you think, or anything else that might aid people trying to track you down; catch you; kill you etc. Why make it any easier for them if you don't have to.
Secondly: Use as much colourful language / big words as you can. It might make it a bit harder for non-english speakers to follow, but if you have read George Orwell's "1984", he mentions how the government was slowly eliminating any unnecessary words (i.e. any words they didn't like the sound of). Their logic was that if people did not know the words to describe what they felt, and thus couldn't even convey these feelings to themselves, let alone any one else, how could anything come of those feelings.
Imagine, if you will, that when you were brought up as a child, you never learnt the word "angry", or even "love". What would you then do when you felt those things. If you never learnt about them or what they meant, didn't even have a name to make your emotions real, are they in fact real? You would go around so confused about what was happening to you that you would never confront those feelings or deal with them, or act on them.
You would effectively not feel them, because you would not KNOW that you felt them.
I think therefore I am people.
While not really an engineering type thread, this section does have the word 'plans' in the title, so I figured If the shape charge fits the door...
So anyways, this here thread is about IT. The Crackdown. And any associated plans one might need to make, especially since it has, for all intents and purposes, happened in basically all the countries in the world (except maybe for the anarchist states - oxymoron?).
We live amongst sleeping people every day, all of us. At some point we all discovered that we ourselves were awake. How we each come to that point is for each of us to know for ourselves. A memory to cherish or despise, everyone has a different tale.
But this is besides the point...
Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to witness and celebrate the fact that we are awake. We are here to discuss possible plans for the future. NOT OUR OWN PLANS, mind you, we wouldn't want to help any pork based members of out society if we don't have to.
So, picking up where the 'Active Demonstration' thread left off:
I have to agree, the sheeple, while being terribly shocked:rolleyes: , would not actually (I really hope so at least) turn against people who don't bomb (as an example) them. They consider themselves different from anyone who wears a uniform, or who holds an office. True, they might get scared when they think that their (actually the government's) police force suddenly has difficulty protecting them (like they every did:rolleyes: ), and they'll them have mass demonstrations to show just how much they want their freedoms taken away some more because they need to feel protected. BUT, they themselves were not directly attacked. They don't see other people as other people, they see them as their professions. If a poor, hard-working average Joe dies by accident in an attack, then they'll turn vicious, but as far as they're concerned, if your neighbours kid (who's a cop) gets killed, well then it's all right 'cause he "knew the risks". JackAsses.:mad:
So, moral of the story?
Minimise any unnecessary "civilian" deaths, if you can do that, then the population can still convince themselves that this whole thing is only happening to other people, not them. In this way they can plausibly deny the whole thing to themselves, and thus allow themselves to remain asleep.
Don't do anything that will inhibit the sheeple's ability to lie to themselves.
In this way, their sleeping actually can be in OUR favour, of course the reverse is true, but a few days ago nothing was in our favour, them Chris and the others in the discussion brought to my attention this fact, and now I know of at least one advantage we can make use of (IF, IF we are careful).
Just imagine what advantages we might discover we could have in the next few days.
For those who want to know how to find people like ourselves. Well, to be honest, I haven't been able to find any good ideas yet. The only thing that has worked for me so far, is you have normal conversations with as many people as you can, and try to decide who you might be able to convince to think like you. Bring a newspaper with when you do. at some point mention some news article about crime or some such to get the conversation going in that direction. Then somehow (I haven't once been able to do this part smoothly or gently yet) bring up a couple examples of how we have not freedoms any more. Start off small. I've found that if you mention something that directly involves them, that prevents them form saying to themselves "well it's happening to other people, not me!". Something along the lines of how they can track you through your cellphone, or how they listen in to every word you say over the phone, or send in an e-mail: "Hey, did you know (say it as a fact, don't let them think that you heard it secondhand, and it might not be true, therefore it must be untrue) that the government listens in to to everything you say on the phone? Kinda weird huh? I mean, like who are they to decide I can't say anything private to my wife anymore?" Something soft and smooth. Also, if there are lots of cameras around, mention how people are watching you right then. Most people don't care about cameras because they think of them as this perfect criminal catching machine, they forget that somebody's actually behind them. If they can believe that nobody's behind them, then they can convince themselves that they aren't actually being watched. Bring this fact to their attention.
Going about a conversation this way can let you judge their responses, and decide if they might feel similarly to you, or if not, it sets the foundation for convincing them otherwise. Pull in facts about how gun crime went UP in England after they banned guns. Shit like this helps shock people awake, force them to actually face/confront these things that only moments ago they could ignore.
The hard part is trusting someone, and also convincing them that violence is probably the only other way. "People will do anything to avoid a fight" - Fight Club (again, sorry about the movie reference, but script writers have a natural ability to convey ideas, so I don't mind quoting them every now and then.
The problem with finding people like us, who don't require any convincing, is that they'll also try to blend in, just like us, trying to avoid anything but anonymity. Generally, I get the feeling that we like to hang back form the crowd; not give too many personal anecdotes; not talk about ourselves; kinda stay out of conversations about gun-control or anything that might betray our true sentiments. So the solution?
We have to start putting ourselves out there. We'll never start anything if we can't let people know how we feel verbally. If we can't talk to one person about how we feel (while convincing them we're right of course, try to avoid lost causes here) how are we ultimately going to wake up the masses?
Yes it’s scary, but it needs to be done.
When you talk to people, bring up controversial stuff, like tracking people's movement through phones etc. How you can't make a non-cash purchase without someone deciding that your money should go through.
Find out who feels the same way! They find out how much they feel the same.
I've so far found one person who feels the same as me about the G-boys, and I've been able to convince one other (hopefully so far - ignore my earlier definition of "hope" for this time) that feeling safe was an illusion. I made them both feel very antsy when I mentioned how they are being tracked, and listened to through their phones right then and there.
BUT, neither of them wants violence, they are both scared, they feel that there must be another way, and because there is an out that didn't require them to act themselves, then violence can be avoided, and they don't actually have to wake up completely. They now are a bit nervous of their phones etc. But only when they remember to be so. So in fact, I didn't really achieve much at all.
If people can convince themselves that there MUST be another way (even if they don't know there is one, or even if they just say that "there must be"), then they WILL continue to sleep. Maybe one step about the deep slumber of the masses, but asleep nonetheless.
Sheeple will do anything, including ignoring all the scary things you just told them, to stay asleep.
I feel the only way to rouse them is to scare them more than TV and the news has scared them about their safety.
They became asleep through a very slow process. a slow move to a police state. None of them worried about all these new laws because they all came about - sloooowwlllyyyy. So what's an answer (not the only one - I "hope")?
Show them everything on fats forward. List everything that has happened, and that will happen to THEM, themselves, in as short a period of time as you can while still being coherent and convincing. If the government's tool is time, and their abundance of it (like those really, really ling trance songs I talked about, actually, EXACTLY like it now that I think about it. Hot SHIT, the G-men, and laws, are one big trance song!:eek: ) then our tool is our ability to shorten it.
What happens when you watch a slow TV plot? You fall asleep.
What happens when someone throws something at your head? you don’t have time to convince yourself that it's going to hit someone else, you catch, it, you react. Because human being have in instinct to react when needs be.
That's it.
That's how we beat them!
We do everything fast!
Then lull them to sleep, we have to shock them awake, throw balls at the heads, make then snap away and catch it. After we're done doing things to the people we need to (police etc.), and we've successfully avoided the sheeple, and allowed them to let themselves sleep, then we need that ONE THING for them. As semi-wakeful people (not sheeple) ourselves, our ONE THING will be something different, and the government will never be the cause of it because they want us to be able to convince ourselves that everything's happening to other people, thus allowing us to lie to ourselves, and become sheeple again. BUT, what WE can do is, we can maybe, just maybe, bring about THE ONE THING for the rest of the sheeple. We must find what that may be, and we must force it, not gently bring them around to the idea and ease them in, the time for smoothness will be over them.
WE MUST SHOCK THEM AWAKE!
It is our only chance.
P.S. Chris, until this starts, this is a purely non-inciting, theoretical discussion.
After it starts (IF it starts) I think we can all agree to let YOU decide again if this is only theoretical...
For anyone reading this, again, purely discussion, not an incitement to anything, despite how it's worded.
I forgot to mention 2 things:
Firstly: while offering other people ideas and advice, try not to betray your own plans, or the way you think, or anything else that might aid people trying to track you down; catch you; kill you etc. Why make it any easier for them if you don't have to.
Secondly: Use as much colourful language / big words as you can. It might make it a bit harder for non-english speakers to follow, but if you have read George Orwell's "1984", he mentions how the government was slowly eliminating any unnecessary words (i.e. any words they didn't like the sound of). Their logic was that if people did not know the words to describe what they felt, and thus couldn't even convey these feelings to themselves, let alone any one else, how could anything come of those feelings.
Imagine, if you will, that when you were brought up as a child, you never learnt the word "angry", or even "love". What would you then do when you felt those things. If you never learnt about them or what they meant, didn't even have a name to make your emotions real, are they in fact real? You would go around so confused about what was happening to you that you would never confront those feelings or deal with them, or act on them.
You would effectively not feel them, because you would not KNOW that you felt them.
I think therefore I am people.