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Alexires
March 7th, 2006, 09:06 AM
First of all, mod gods, please forgive me. Alot of my posts seem to be new threads, but still I hope you see the relevance in them.

Anyone who has been following the Active Resistance/Plans thread will understand why this is here. On the occasion that 'something' happens and this site goes down, we need a way to remain in contact with one another.

Just off the top of my head, these are the ideas. Have a think about them and please add anymore or give constructive critisism.....

First of all, is computer based. Maybe set up a room on IRC, that only people who register with the mods on it are allowed in. Along with a proxy such as Tor, I feel this could be fairly safe for the people using it. Ofcourse, one of the problems encountered would be the same as here on the forum. We are all so anonymous that how do you know I'm not a pig, or an informant? How do we know who to trust with our plans? All it takes is for the wrong person to say something, and then bang, a team of 12 goes to the land of bubba, and thats gonna take its toll pretty damn quickly.

Hence, I propose this. If we find a way to communicate, we divide into cells. Say 2 or 3 for Aus, 10 or so for the US (5 states each about I believe)....you get the idea. Then either a) have a leader for each continent, who deals out the missions to the cells, or b) each leader of the cells is in on the communication. I prefer b) as if one person is found, then the whole plan for the country doesn't go down. So, assuming we use IRC or someting with proxies at random locations (libraries, things like that), each leader connects at a pre arranged time. The head person/council or whatever gives out the plans privately (so one informant can't screw up all the plans). Then each cell enacts it.

Just anyone wouldn't be allowed to talk to head or whatever, so as insurance, maybe the head (who we trust with our lives) knows who each leader is or something like that. That way, if one squeals, the other cells are going to be in on the action. Kind of like insurance, just more expensive. Maybe set up an account on hotmail, or yahoo or something that alot of people use. Do not have it linked to the forum in anyway. The only time they would be used would be if the forum goes down, or things start. That way, the pork can have all the fun they want searching through everyone who is in hotmail accounts for a suspicious email. Along with it being encrypted, I think it might work. Have 10 accounts set up, that way if they close the whole of hotmail for a week, then we can continue.

I just had a little think about what other methods could be used for communication and computer sounds like the best. Preferably the email. As everything can be done fast and securely, with anonymity, and its all available. I'm sure that once or twice a week each cell leader could stop into a different netcafe and just check their email, decrypt any email with their USB stick and act accordingly.

Each cell is composed of a team of 12, or 2 teams of 12. Why twelve? Cause it mathematically makes sense and allows for the greatest versatility with a small squad. Instead of a team of 5 attacking a target, it could be 1 team of 12. Or 2 teams of 6, or 3 teams of 4, or 4 teams of 3, or 6 teams of 2. You get the idea. Two teams of 12 if its a big area. For instance, Aus might have a east cell and west cell. Each cell has 2 teams of 12. That way, 1 team doesn't have to deal with the vast area. Each team has a leader (dub) who talk with each other (another duh) and are in on the communication (frontal lobotomy duh).

One final thing, ask yourself, who would you trust with your name? Who would you trust to lead us?

Anyway, this is all hypothetical ofcourse. No intention is made at fact in the above post, and no plans to do anything 'bad' are around. I'm just like the rest of the sheeple, overlook me. This is all hypothetical...All hypothetical... *alexires sings softly to sleep*

cyclonite4
March 7th, 2006, 11:25 AM
I did some googling and came up with this page of encrypted/anonymous chat/IM clients. Unfortunately, some of the good ones are linux only, but then again, that makes it more secure, as many know windows is a security and privacy risk itself.

http://www.infoanarchy.org/wiki/index.php/Encrypted_Chat_Clients

Determing who can be trusted may be difficult...
It was mentioned in another thread that we are a force noone cares about, so perhaps now is a good time to start up a comms network, because there wont be as much pork sizzling around the forums, as there may be if/when people do notice us.

I guess if members met in person, it would be easier to weed out the undercover pigs, but that may also be a risk.

Well... I haven't much else to say for now, maybe I'll think of something tommorow. I need some sleep.

FUTI
March 7th, 2006, 03:30 PM
Just asuming that cell should do some productive work in gathering information, book scanning, testing methods and materials etc. In that case brainstorming is a must and I seem to recall from psychology lessons that there is minimum number of group members (6) and also a maximum number of group members (12). So I propose that if this became a reality in the crackdown situation we go along this boundaries. Smaller countries that don't have enough members inclined to this subject can be grouped until number of group members reach the limit.

Linux is the OS of choice since it is smaller and compact, and can be fitted for the purpose of portable USB based disk or even RW-CD. I'm not so convinced that anyone can count on "safe" net comunication of any kind but then again I'm not an expert in that area. I will also try to figure out some more things to add latter.

Alexires
March 8th, 2006, 08:36 AM
http://www.trilogysolutions.com/products-trilogyec.html

Have a look at that. 256 Encrypted IM program. Free too. Cyclonite, if you could, please send me a PM and we can talk about things here.

cyclonite4
March 8th, 2006, 11:19 AM
http://www.trilogysolutions.com/products-trilogyec.html

Have a look at that. 256 Encrypted IM program. Free too.

I just downloaded a copy, and noticed a major disadvantage. :(
In order to talk to someone, you must have their IP address. This pretty much removes anonymity, as the IP can be easily linked to your account. Of course, they can't read what your saying, but still...
Does everyone here trust their IP to everyone else? And what about people still on dialup, it's going to be a pain for them. Otherwise, it looks like an OK piece of software.

Chris The Great
March 8th, 2006, 09:09 PM
Don't think just one-on-one communication methods. These are very useful, however there needs to be ways to reach many people at once, in a medium other than the forum. The forum sometimes goes down and is also publically viewable. We need something to reach everyone at once but not go through the public.
Perhaps a list of IPs given to everyone and put up .txt files you'd get from ftp'ing the site, if one goes down try another etc. Also, mailing lists would be useful as well.

This network will need to be more than just a bunch of IM contacts, we need not only the ability for mass communication (securily) but also for the ability to not be shut down no matter how hard the gov tries.

Most likely I think it will be a mixture of many different methods of communication.

Also, remember you can use ICQ with PGP.

An advantage of that program, if it needs your IP, is that cell members can directly communicate and do not have to go through a public server. And remember, beyond the cell, nobody knows anything about them. The people in charge might know the cell's location, and who the leader is, and the general capabilities, but they wouldn't know who is actually in the cell. The less everyone knows the safer it is, because if one guy gets busted, the most he can implicate are the members of his cell. He doesn't know people not in his cell or anything about other cells (he might talk to people in other cells but of course they won't talk about who else is in their cell or whatever). Basically, unless you're a member of my cell, you don't know who I am, where I am or what my capabilities are, the most you would know is that my net alias is Chris The Great which gets the pigs nowhere if they bust you.

Alexires
March 9th, 2006, 07:56 AM
Cyclonite4:
Did you look around the site? There is a version for a USB stick. Combined with an internet cafe, or a library, all you would need to do would be to mobile text the IP to the other person and bingo, instant encrypted chat. Combined with the ultra secure option and a preset password, I think that would work.

Chris: This idea was just for plans. If you sent the plans to everyone, I'm sure the pork would get their hands on it. This was just a method for intercell communication and things like that where you dont need to contact a vast majority of people.

Mailing lists would be best I think. Encrypted mail, sent out would work nicely. Maybe I'm stupid, but why do we need to be able to mass communicate securily, Chris? If the pork is already here, anything posted here is probably saved and read at some point. Hence any idea involving the use of the forum as a medium to tell people any kind of plan is rather pointless IMHO. I could ofcourse be missing something and be horribly wrong.

Lets say that someone, somewhere is the leader. I talk to him/her via encrypted IM. He/she lays out the next surgical strike. I then relay this info to the cell members under my command and it is done. No need for anyone outside of our cell to know about it. Anyone in the cell is trusted, as I would know them personally. Maybe the leader or whatever doesn't need to know who I am, just that I'm in charge of the cell.

I subscribe to the KISS ideal. If there are lots of ways of communication, then its easier to miss one, or mess it up.

Chris The Great
March 9th, 2006, 12:17 PM
That is what I had in mind, however it would be nice to have a method of mass communication outside the forum in case it goes down or something. For example if something had to be said that everyone would get. This is one way to spread general communications and such, as IMing the cell leaders would take time and such, especially if you want to relay a message to every single person involved.
So I'm not talking about larger communication through the forum, rather through some different medium. I'm not completely sure what would work, but it would be something that only the cells would be able to find. For example, some personal computer which has a folder open to access through ftp, and only cells know the IP. So only they can connect and find the folder which will hold a txt file that gives them an update, for example "Chris The Great got sent to Quatamalo", which would be important for everyone to know.
Still not sure what would work best for this but a mialing list seems to be best IMO.

Details wouldn't be spread like that, rather they would be sent only to cells leaders who will participate, like you said. Perhaps by IM, or more likely through PGP encrypted mail since that way they can send the entire plan with maps etc at once.

defrab
March 11th, 2006, 12:57 PM
Good thinking, we should probably create our own software, and find ways to set up communication systems, partially centralized around major cities (NY, Toronto, Vancouver) and also create completly decentralized systems. Also, find ways to gather, in case its ever needed

simply RED
March 11th, 2006, 02:26 PM
I would like to see a "crackdown backup" communication working.
It should be internet based.

This communication should be simple enough to be used by non-computer specialists (like me).
When it is ready it should be explained how to be used step by step (in a sticky thread for example).

I have more than 10 years of experience with "safe" UHF communication and when we become "dense" enough - will be glad to help build such network.

akinrog
March 12th, 2006, 03:34 AM
I I have more than 10 years of experience with "safe" UHF communication and when we become "dense" enough - will be glad to help build such network.

What do you mean with safe UHF communication. I'm really interested in the technology. In case of a real crackdown, I strongly doubt if there is any internet communication over there.

Do you have any books, plans, schematics, etc. Regards.

simply RED
March 12th, 2006, 09:04 AM
"What do you mean with safe UHF communication. I'm really interested in the technology. In case of a real crackdown, I strongly doubt if there is any internet communication over there.

Do you have any books, plans, schematics, etc. Regards."

For VHF-UHF communication I mean the range between 50 and 1500 MHz (actually (UHF = 300 to 1000 MHz) . In this range it is only possible to communicate in the "visible" parameter (up to 100km from transmitter to receiver).

Safe communication not always means "encoded" communication. For example - you can work on XXX.X MHz with frequency modulation for ten - twenty minutes without bothering beeing listened or tracked.

Working on "burst" is an option when you are communicating "near" the amateour bands. Burst means you record the "voice" with normal speed, multiply the speed and transmit the signal with multiplied speed (which sounds like a shorty lasting whistle). When received, the speed is decresed, and the sound can be heared.

Working in the amateour bands requires the simplest encoding. This could be done with software programs. I do not have such program ( but it will be an easy task for a forum member - programist to make one ), there was never a need for encoding in my "carreer". Modern Radio devices like "alinco (I have worked with Alinco DJ-G1), alan etc" have "out" plugs which are easily connected to the soundcard "in" of a computer. Quite interesting to spot is: digital encoded radio communication (DERC) is also used by the amateours in the amateour television and "letter typing". So, if we make DERC, noone can say if its our communication or it belongs to some amateours. We could also works "near" the pagers for example.

What I learned from the practice is: SAFE communication means:
-MOBILE !!!
-OUT OF HEAVILY GUARDED BANDS (I will not spot the exact frequencies here)
-when directed high amplification antenas are used
-when the minimum needful power is adjusted
-when the duration of the communication is short
-when it is held late at nigh or early in the morning (or in the middle of the working day (12.00) - they drink coffee and do nothing that time - hehehe)
-when it contains things not of first importance
-when you use antenas with poliarization different from "standard" (yaggie (or even a dipol) at 45 degrees works fine :P

Almost all literature I have is written in Russian or some other "eastern" eaurope languages. I have not learned radio technics from internet and thus can not spot interesting sites or forums for it...

Alexires
March 13th, 2006, 08:54 AM
Hey, good one simply RED. That would be pretty damn good for maybe inter cell communication. I'm pretty ignorant of these things, but I've heard of shortwave radio (maybe) that can be picked up in other countries.

What do you know of anything with a longer range? At least a 4000 kilometres if possible?

Jacks Complete
March 14th, 2006, 07:38 AM
See http://www.roguesci.org/theforum/showpost.php?p=74713&postcount=18