Spetsnaz ballistic knives

[Czech Guy]

Hello All
I was wondering if any own has any information regarding the so called Spetsnaz ballistic knive. For people who don't know this is a spring powered knife that can be effectivaly fired at around 30 yards. This knife is not all that usefull but it is fun to fire.

If any one has any info on how to make one or were you can buy them please post. This is rather hard to find since they are illegal all most every were.

If is also worth rembering that even tho is is called a Spetsnaz ballistic knives
neither the Spetsnaz or the KGB Alfa devision of spectsnaz were not actualy issued these things the standared issued knife was a bayonet for the AK-47 then later on a suervial knife was issued varring from divsion to divison.

[Defendu]

Here are the only photos of the 'Pilum Ballistic Knife' you'll be able to find online at this time:

http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2300/2375.htm

As you can see, the firing mechanism is basically a switch that holds the hilt of the knife against the spring loaded handle.

[Storm on the Horizon]

I remember seeing these years.... years ago. As you stated - it was more of a toy. Once they came under the watchful eye of ZOG they were sold without the spring (available separately) for a short time and dried up pretty quickly after that. Like anything fun, effective, or just “scary looking” - it’s only a matter of time before Big Brother comes in to save the day. Good luck finding one.

[Czech Guy]

I know that these things are down right near impossiable to find so i was thinking of making one. Does any one have any plans or ideas to make one?
It wouldn't be that hard all you need is is a caped tube, a spring, a trigger system of some sort and the blade its self. I did try making one but instead of a blade it was a shaped bolt. It was strong enough to get stuck about 2 inches in a tree but the range was much.... much less 10 yards give or take.

[drfish]

Here's a blast from the past via the 'way way back machine':

http://web.archive.org/web/20050207013602/http://www.vampiregerbil.com/ballistic/index.html

[Jacks Complete]

vampiregerbil! Wish I'd saved that page out with the pictures. The site is owned by a domain squatter now. :-(

[nbk2000]

I remember when they were first for sale.

The ad showed the knife shot through a 1" plywood panel, saying it do this from 10 meters away. Definately NOT a toy.

Reloading was done by compressing the spring in a press or vise, as it was almost impossible to do so manually.

The baton cap was supposed to be used when aiming at the head for a bloodless kill through brain trauma. Body hits were disabling.

Then they had to sell them as kits, with no spring, which was something like a valve spring for a truck, because of sheeple bleating.

[bipolar]

I have a PDF with pictures of this device. I just uploaded it to rapidshare.

http://rapidshare.de/files/24334882/post-64-19494-Spetsnaz_Line_Thrower_Knife.pdf.html

I had no idea what it was until I read this thread.

[teshilo]

Construction B.K very simple:tube with attached dead latch for fixation of blade (as handle), spring may be used from air gun and finned blade like stiletto shape for best penetration (fins plastic ,tiny steel).On this link described B.K with spring replaced on ammo with compressed air ..http://www.supergun.ru/razrabot/index.php?razrabot=nozh Blade non ballistic shape This knife designed for civilian use..:rolleyes:

[Czech Guy]

Thanks you for the linke teshilo but i cant get anything out of it its all in Russian.
Can any one understand it maybee they could post an English version of the key parts.

[Defendu]

A PDF archive of the ballistic knife images from vampiregerbil.com (found on ED2K network):

http://rapidshare.de/files/25426911/Ballistic_Knife.pdf.html

[mrtnira]

NBK2000 is correct. The real Spetsnaz ballistic knives were not toys. I have some information on Soviet-era "cold" weapons from a policeman I once knew. He was a cop in Vladevostok.

The Spetsnaz ballistic knive was only one of several tools used up close. The similar effect can be accomplished by training with other "at hand" tools, such as a screw driver.

Agents in Western Europe couldn't afford to get caught with signature weapons, so the expedient weapons (weapons at hand) are what agents were trained in. Most of it comes down to consistent training, which few people will put in.

One of the obstacle courses used by uniformed Spetsnaz troops stationed in East Germany actually had wood cut-outs of people in the obstacle course. The troops would be negotiating the obstacles, and have to throw knives at the stationary targets at that point in their run. Several years ago, I saw some black and white photos of that course taken in 1965. The website was run by some old ex-special troops looking back on their youth with pleasure.

For those who were sent to academies of physical training, they developed close-combat to a high art. The gymnasiums that produced their olympic-quality athletes also produced many of their the KGB hit squads and special department reconnaissance personnel.

[Asriel]

While it obviously was not made as toy it seems to be something more of a novelty item that looked scary on the drawing bored but wasn't all that useful in practice, I have never heard of any particularly widespread use of it, I mean it could probably be useful occasionally in a last ditch situation, but in general it seems to be more of a novelty, and something that looks scary.

[WWII]

I believe during the Vietnam war, there was a bayonet that could fire .22 cal. bullets. I think the U.S. Army had a M6 bayonet that could do that. I saw it on youtube.com, somewhere can't find it now.

[ann]

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=805381

glocktalk has a very rare early issue version for sale.....

[Man Down Under]

WWII, I've a video of that knife gun in my FTP folder. /UPLOAD/Man Down Under/Knife Gun.flv

Have a picture of the internals somewhere.

[ann]

I have pics of many versions of the spring powered knives...even have the real russian issue version...YES their is one.:D

The one for sale on glocktalk is a super rare version...it was the original design that the ones sold in sof were made off of.

The common alloy version were really made very poorly the glocktalk version is all steel and works great.I have fired all 4 version in my life time.The real russian one is hands down the winner.

The russian one is a way better design and made in a totally different way.

[Charles Owlen Picket]

It's a cute little bugger certainly but wouldn't a knife that stays a knife but fires a bullet or two be a more pragmatic idea?

[Asriel]

It's a cute little bugger certainly but wouldn't a knife that stays a knife but fires a bullet or two be a more pragmatic idea?
spetsnaz beat you to it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW3ZBLlPz_c
it's called the NRS shooting knife and has a single round of piston silenced pistol ammo in the handle.