Cherry bomb picks!

[mark]

Ah, one of my more briliant creations. I can proudly say I thought these up all by myself, and to my knowledge, there is nothing similar anywhere. The little jems are a perfect 1 inch across, and are coated in ABS glue, so theyre delightfuly water proof.
<img src="http://www.paintballresource.org/ubb/userpics/314.jpg" alt="" />

[Tyler_Durden]

I don't think you are the first to make a small salute, nor the first to make one waterproof, nor the first to call it a "cherry bomb" for that matter.

What the fuck is so special about them, then?

I don't know that there is any way those "cherry bombs" are brilliant, or "gems" of any kind, unless I am completely missing something.

Please tell me they are not just homemade "cherry bomb" replicas.

<small>[ May 07, 2002, 09:17 PM: Message edited by: Tyler_Durden ]</small>

[mark]

Ouch, a viscious full on asault. Oh well, perry trust, perry thrust. They are unique because of what they are made out of, fishing bobbers. I am indeed not the first one to make a small salute, but compared to the hand grenade sized chery bombs made from ping pong balls, these are much closer to the real thing than any of seen on the internet. For that matter, I have seen none on the internet, just crude drawings.

[Tyler_Durden]

I don't know why, but I don't see fishing bobbers as making excellent casings for salute used as entertainment. I am assuming they are meant to just be used as firecrackers... for fun and such.

I think bobbers are thick enough to where the plastic could be harmful shrapnel at a somewhat close range... so why risk it?

"hand grenade sizes cherry bombs from ping pong balls" --- hardly...

Hand grenades are much larger, and completely different in many ways for that matter.

By the way, that is in fact very different from the original cherry bombs regardless, because the originals were made by...

well, just read yourself at <a href="http://www.unitednuclear.com/cherry.htm" target="_blank">http://www.unitednuclear.com/cherry.htm</a>

What are those bobbers filled with anyway?

[BoB-]

Dude, wheres the love? he posted this in LE not IW, can't we all just get along?

<small>[ May 08, 2002, 03:07 AM: Message edited by: BoB- ]</small>

[Arkangel]

Yeah BoB, I agree , maybe she has PMS. (Speaking of which, I can tell that you're under the influence of a woman just now <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> )

Personally I think they look pretty neat, and since I have a special interest in stuff that blows up in or on water, I'm pleased to see them.

Oh wondrous creator, father of all Cherry Bombs, what's the filler??? :D

<small>[ May 08, 2002, 08:59 AM: Message edited by: Arkangel ]</small>

[Mr Cool]

Doesn't look like anything special to me; I'm tempted to just close the thread, since being able to make a waterproof salute is common sense. But I will leave it open, in case something useful comes out of it. Stranger things have happened.

Would it not be cheaper and just as easy to make them out of paper, and dip them in wax? And do you really need such long fuses on such tiny devices?!

[endotherm]

Mark - They are just looking for an argument, I think they are some sweet little boomers, and they show decent craftmanship compared to the usual ducttape raped pill bottles,film cans, etc.

[Tyler_Durden]

How much do those bobbers cost? Doesn't seem cost effective to make a lot. I don't really know for sure though.

There are a million things you could use to make little waterproof salutes... film canister, travel shampoo bottle (ie from hotels), just some cardboard wrapped w/ duct tape.

How about this: cut the finger off of a latex glove, fill it with BP, wrap with duct tape, dip in wax or whatever else to make it waterproof, and insert a fuse (after you seal the end w/ something like a combination of twisting it and tape/glue. Small, but easy.

[DarkAngel]

"Ah, one of my more briliant creations" :rolleyes:
Everything is already said but i couldn't stop my self from letting you know that i think this is useless.

And didn't you had trouble tamping down your filler in a spherical shell?

Some after pictures would also be nice it could be fuse sticked in god knows what.

[mongo blongo]

How about some pics of them going off? :)

[Arkangel]

But another idea, would be to do like they do with donuts and sugar, and roll them in a bowl of lead shot while the glue is still tacky. Keep doing that a few time's and you've got a sweet little boomer/frag! :D

[mark]

Umm, this dosnt look like much, but its what happened to the two buckets the chage was palced in. It turned the gallon of water inside into rain drops which were disperes for 3 feet in all directions. The chery bombs were filled half way with flash, so they werent as cool as the ones full of pressed AP, but they were still quite entertaining.
<img src="http://www.paintballresource.org/ubb/userpics/315.jpg" alt="" />

[Arkangel]

Jeez, you guys probably spend more on buckets than you do on explosives! (I'm referring to Anthony (or was it Noltair?) testing his BP pipes on buckets in the Mailbox bomber thread)

I've always used either ponds, harbours or full 45 gallon drums for testing this sort of thing in water. (Although a 10g electronically initiated flash charge blew half the water out of one, and bowed the bottom out like a steel drum!) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

<small>[ May 09, 2002, 04:20 AM: Message edited by: Arkangel ]</small>

[mark]

Yes, I do love my buckets. To watch them violently strewn across the yard is quite satisfying. I also dont have a pond or an oil drum.

[NoltaiR]

Yeah I like buckets mostly just because they fly and the shrapnel they throw off doesn't weigh very much so it doesn't go very far (better for clean-up if you worry that you might run over it then mowing the lawn). I do have a pond as well but after I spend a little time making a charge, I really don't trust it to be completely waterproof, and therefore I like to keep it above ground (however the mud around my pond works terrific for digging little holes into for saftey).

But like I was saying in the mailbox bomb thread, usually they just blow the buckets to peices.. the one time it did fly 60+ feet was because it just so happened that it broke directly down the center when it went off allowing the jet of high pressure push the bucket straight up along with the fact that this paticular bucket had some stretchability to it so it wasn't brittle like the others. But the shockwaves that my BP crackers had were something you had to see to believe (and you could very well see it as it traveled outward from the blast point like a giant blurry bubble).

[A-BOMB]

For underwater tests I use an old well thats about 20-25 feet deep or these old water storage ponds(or thats what I think they are) what are full of rotting leaves and dead animals that are here and there on my grandfathers property. I think it was a farm along time ago.

[A-BOMB]

I myself like these ones I make out of pingpong balls coated in a 3mm thick layer of "Plasti-dip" some 3FFFg BP mixed with fine wooddust for more bulk so I'm not useing that muck powder and a 3" peice of visco. Heres a pic.
<img src="ftp://ewf:sd332gf@209.195.155.80/-=Uploads=-/Linked%20Pictures/Picture%2056.jpg" alt="" />

<small>[ May 10, 2002, 04:19 PM: Message edited by: A-BOMB ]</small>

[Wicked]

Hrm, y'all got so much fuse, whats the suplier you guys use, and do they accept COD? Because I'm only fourteen so I aint got a cc...... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

[EP]

That "Plasti-dip" stuff looks interesting. Are you in the US? I've never seen it before. How much does it cost and how strong is it when it dries?

[Cricket]

I am in the US and I saw it in my local Wal-Mart and had no money, so I couldn't buy it (and I make a lousy thief :) ). Then a couple months ago I was back in town with my cousin and we were looking for a binder for AN based rocket propellants (not sure if it works) and we looked everywhere and no one had it. Can you tell where you got it? Thanks.

[Zach]

plasti-dip is for coating the handles of pliers ect. ect. ect.
you could probably find it at an ACE hardware or home depot... IIRC its rediculously expensive

[Cricket]

I thought it was like $5 or so, but I don't remember exactly. I also thought it would be good for making HMTD caps, to coat the metal, and to seal any cap to make it water and moisture proof. But back to the topic, I like the cherry bombs Mark. Never thought of using a bobber. Good job :) . I like your fuze, looks nice and thick, what it is, 3/32"? Has anyone used this stuff for a binder for rocket fuel or used it for anything else? This is some handy looking stuff!

ps, Maybe you could use this stuff to make homemade fuze water proof/resistant?

<small>[ May 11, 2002, 01:46 PM: Message edited by: Cricket ]</small>

[A-BOMB]

Cricket I paid about $7 for it and Wicked no pyro supplier uses c.o.d anymore just buy some off E-bay if you have a pay-pal accout or <a href="http://www.pyrotek.org" target="_blank">www.pyrotek.org</a>

[Wicked]

=(, ok tyvm.

[mark]

Thanks cricket! And the fuse is 1/8" wide cannon fuse. Its pretty expensive, but its the best fuse made.

Abomb, I Like your cherry bombs. How loud are they?

[mr.evil]

I like to see media of those cherry bombs, i think they are really cool with flashpowder.

Maybe a little of topic, but Blackpowder with KClO3 instead of KNO3 works awsome!! (yeah, i know; S and KClO3, just dont store it) it has a great power and is good for making salutes.

also i've made an 2lb rocket engine, with a 3lb H3 cracker on top of it:) pictures will be made....

[The Great Milenko]

It's not that it needs to be stored to decompose!
What if your KClO3 black powder goes off in one of your cherrie bombs? You said yourself it's a good mix in these things, I'd sure hate to be holding one of your cherries bombs if it were to go off.

[mr.evil]

i've maded hundreds (maybe even 1000) salutes now, every time i used that mix, never had problems...(btw, i use a little NaHCO3 in it, to neutralize acid danger...)

anyway, i like the flash of flashpowder, you don't get it with just Chlorate BP as it doesn't contains Metal powders, i like flash much more.

but never mind, it is off topic; i don't like to be flamed <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[kingspaz]

mr.evil, just because it hasn't blown up by itself in 1000 times doesn't mean it won't. the bicarb addition will help keep it stable but its better to not have to rely on it.

[xoo1246]

I made some permanganate flash today and used it in a small mortar. But the electrical ignition failed to ignite the flash(sulfurless) since the igniton charge was too tame and I used too big Al particles(some leftovers). So I desided to flush the flashpowder out with water, stupid me didn't use gloves and got some permanganate solution on my fingers, I feel really stupid today, first a failed ignition then my fingers in a fancy color.
Sometimes I hate myself.

[vulture]

Once again, i'm going to bring up the safety of KMnO4/Al/S. :p
After making alot of this flash(200g), i've treated it with lots of acetone.
After drying, small golden particles remain because of the Al and S on the outside. I've been storing and gradually using it over the last month, i still have a 100g left. I have experienced no problems whatsoever, because the KMnO4 is shielded by the Al and the S. This does seem to passivate it alot because it is not more shock or friction sensitive. It still performs very good though.
Maybe something to try?

BTW, do NOT use alcohols with KMnO4, only acetone!

[kingspaz]

i *think* the reason its supposedly unstable is again due to sulphurs inevitable acidity.
H+ + MnO4- <=> HMnO4
there was a thread about this stuff ages ago. pretty dam reactive!

[mark]

Hmmm, yall gonna trip when you hear whats in my flash. Since I dont have the chemicals to make it myself, I must take apart other devices for their flashpowder. I chose to disassemble exploding targets, as they contain quite a bit of flash and are fairly cheap at a buck a peice. The problem with this is that the flash inside the targets is designed to be quite sensitiive to impact. Although the targets contain no warnings or chemical info, in one of the pyro glosseries it states that they have the folowing inside:
Potasium Chlorate
Magnesium
Aluminum
Sulphur
something or other sulphide
and a pinch of baking soda.
All in all, the most powerful and dangerous flash of them all, yet they are stable enough to be shipped and sold to the common public. Odd, aint it, when CA bans fountains.

[Wicked]

D00d, send me some of that shit. I'll pay ya for it, 1.50 a piece, as oposed to 1.00 :)

[Arkangel]

Oh, excuse me, I must be at the wrong forum, I was under the impression that this was one where a reasonable level of discussion was mandatory, not some of the garbage that seems common all of a sudden. Has NBK been arrested for something? Somebody please help :confused:

[xoo1246]

I tend to agree with you.

[DBSP]

Sadly I do that as well <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

[Anthony]

Wicked, I know that creativity is often a good thing, but it's not when it comes to spelling:) Things like "d00d" are the trademark of a kewl.

Arkangel, what are you complaining about? You pretty much endorsed this thread on 8th may.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Do not bother making one line replies such as “yes” or “I agree” or “Thanks” these replies just waste space.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Let he is without sin cast the first stone <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

If you have a problem, then it should be taken up via email - that's the official policy. You could also raise your point in the appropriate thread in Forum Matters *but* in both cases you're going to have to make clear exactly what it is you are complaining about.

I would have told Wicked that he should have said what he did via email directly to mark, but mark isn't displaying an email addy.

[Arkangel]

I don't know who you got that quote from, but I can assure you it wasn't me, although I do remember reading it at the time. Also, I'm not entirely sure how the quote endorses anything. I will mail you seperately, as I was going to do anyway when I have a minute, since certain things are getting right on my fucking tits at the moment. :mad:

[mark]

Wicked, thats a loveley offer and all, but Im rather partial to the things. Dont wory though, your local gunshop will sell them, and mine glady sells the things to minors.

[Rat Bastard]

I have found a plastic container that will prolly work pretty well for a cherry bomb casing: a beer widget.
<img src="http://members.shaw.ca/raydawg/pics/wg14.jpg" alt="" />
<img src="http://members.shaw.ca/raydawg/pics/wg13.jpg" alt="" />
--
thickness comparison of a pingpongball to a widget:
<img src="http://members.shaw.ca/raydawg/pics/wg11.jpg" alt="" />

Do you think plasti-dip would work well, or somethin else like a coating of epoxy?
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Bombshock quote of the day! (credit given to A-BOMB for the great idea)
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> Where can you buy AP? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">

<small>[ May 17, 2002, 12:19 AM: Message edited by: Rat Bastard ]</small>

[EP]

Somebody on totse actually noticed those widget things as well, a couple months ago I believe. They actually posted pictures from a test, not something you expect to see there. I don't think they used anything more than the casing (I mean no added glue or anything) and they seemed to work very well.

[mr.evil]

Can you give us a link, so we can check that page?

[MacCleod]

Crackling ball casings covered with a 1/16th. inch coating of epoxy putty work well also,and are about the same size as the real deal.There is the shrapnel issue,though!.

[Rat Bastard]

here is a result of one of my tests I did a while ago (I didnot have any coating, and I used BP):
<img src="http://members.shaw.ca/raydawg/pics/wg7.jpg" alt="" />
this one was filled about 1/3 full of BP and it was exploded in a contaner (so I could collect the bits) notice how it dented this metal jar lid.

I exploded an orange with another one, it was turned to pulp.
<img src="http://members.shaw.ca/raydawg/pics/wg8.jpg" alt="" />
<img src="http://members.shaw.ca/raydawg/pics/wg9.jpg" alt="" />
<img src="http://members.shaw.ca/raydawg/pics/wg10.jpg" alt="" />
the largest bit was no larger than a quarter.

[0EZ0]

Good Pics!

How were they fused? Visco?
The problem i have with making these is proper confinement. I have to use improvised fuse which burns too hot and tends to loosen the fuse seal on the fuse hole. Thus making for crappy confinement.
I must make an effort to get some. As for purchasing many things, age is always a problem for me.

Anyway, anyone else tried this method for making Cherry Bombs?

[vulture]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> and tends to loosen the fuse seal on the fuse hole. Thus making for crappy confinement.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Strange, I made a cracker with a drinking straw (ca. 4mm wide) as fuse, so there's always something that escapes that way, but it went off. It wasn't a cherrybomb though and it was with flash (hence the impressive boom :D ).

[mark]

Ive been thinking of those widget things! The problem for me is that mine still has a bit of beer in it. Also, I would dip the ball in APS glue, as it drys ino hard plastic and is black.

[0EZ0]

Vulture the reason i need good confinement is that i have a poor choice of explosive filling. Instead of flash i am forced to use Single Based Smokelss Powder, or Bp raided from Rocket engines. :(

Once i go out and buy some more chems, i'll have a much better choice. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[electric emu]

I was just wondering, everyone here makes bombs all the time it sounds like, what do you do you usually blow up with them?

<small>[ May 21, 2002, 07:02 PM: Message edited by: electric emu ]</small>

[Cricket]

I like to blow up Earth because it sounds like rain when it falls back to the ground :) . Water, plants (trees esp.), and various things that I would get pissed off at are the best. It is a great stress releiver to have a couple crater makers laying around and then when you get pissed at something, blow it up! It beats the hell out of squeezing a ball :) . A good example is an old military boot I stepped on in the middle of the night. I stuffed a crater maker in it, duct taped it up a little, buried it, blew it up, and smiled. Usually by the time you get around to blowing it up you aren't mad anymore, but it is still great fun. I usually used, instead of cherry bombs, either crater makers or metal tubes (Copper tubing, old blowguns, markers ect.). I had a ton of .45 slugs for reloading left over so I hammerer a pipe over one of them, drilled it, filled it, and closed it. Thats the majority of bombs I have made. Just little crackers. Very fun and not too dangerous of you hide from them (I always did).

[0EZ0]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> I was just wondering, everyone here makes bombs all the time it sounds like, what do you usually blow up with them?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">We don't like to use the word "Bombs" here. It makes us look bad. As in Terrorist bad. :(
And in any case these "Devices" are rarely very big.

Ah yes...
"Blowing up" things is a fantastic stress reliever. Yes, it certainly does beat the hell out of stress balls!!I remember all the decimated garden knomes, the school work that got me into trouble, the old toys that i grew out of. Hehehe. To see it engulfed in an explosion just makes you feel good :p

But also there are many other objects that are used to test power of a device. Bricks, trees and blocks of wood are a few examples.

<small>[ May 21, 2002, 10:04 PM: Message edited by: 0EZ0 ]</small>

[electric emu]

Sorry about the bad word, but i also agree with the stress idea, i have two targets right now, one a refrigerator that my friend accidently ran into and a big cactus that stabbed me.

[Rat Bastard]

This was a good stress reliever for me (I thought of this head as someone I hated <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> )

<a href="http://members.shaw.ca/exim/clips/hed.avi" target="_blank">head boom!</a>

...and yes I used a widget to blow it up (but it wasn't coated, so it wasn't as powerful).

<small>[ May 22, 2002, 12:50 AM: Message edited by: Rat Bastard ]</small>

[mark]

I just did a widget today! It was spectacular. I half filled it with flash, and sealed it with hot glue. Then, as I was dipping it in ABS glue, the weight of the device pulled out the fuse so I had to set it off imedeiatley before the glue got into the flash. I buried it under about 4 inches of dirt(way to little!) and set ignited the fuse, expecting a thump and some dirt. I got a hearty BOOM! and a flash and a 1 foot crater.

[Arkangel]

Beautiful rat bastard, I have replayed that loads, and laugh like a maniac each time. Certainly destressed me just now. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

I like to blow up vegetables at home, as it's always funny, and you don't have to clean up, since the fragments dry up to nothing in a couple of days. I'm usually caned, and with friends, and we're all shrieking and hiding behind chairs and stuff. They all think I'm a bit potty, but then all egg me on. For that I only use the dinky crackers I buy in France.

With the bigger stuff, I especially like to blow up "multi time zone, calculator memo book computers" and all the other corporate crap that comes my way at work. Old mobile phones are good too, as are pretty much any electronic device - old VCR's etc.

In the good 'ole days, when I had reasonably free access to PE, it was pleasing just to stick charges down old rabbit holes, or in the ground, or in the bottom of the warm pulverised earth in the crater you've just blown. Hell, I just love ANYTHING that goes boom :D

[Cricket]

Oh yea, fruit. I used to do that. I would put detonators (homemade) into apples, pineapples, banannas, and I always wanted to blow up a coconut :) . The first time I blew up an apple I had a .44 magnum shell inside a .45 auto filled with AP. I poked this into the core, sat it into the sink and pow. It took a long time to get all the apple juice and guts cleaned up. :)

[mark]

Try a pen tube full of pressed AP in a wide wax candle.

[Rat Bastard]

Here is a vid of 3 widget salutes:
<a href="http://members.shaw.ca/exim/clips/widgets.avi" target="_blank">Video clip.</a>

First two were filled 1/2 of the way with powdered whistle mix, and the last one was made with permanganate flash powder (I only filled that one 1/5th of the way up with flash pow and it still worked great!). All of them were coated with epoxy.

Here are the aftermath photos:
<img src="http://members.shaw.ca/raydawg/pics/barn2.jpg" alt="" /> <img src="http://members.shaw.ca/raydawg/pics/barn1.jpg" alt="" /> <img src="http://members.shaw.ca/raydawg/pics/bunny1.jpg" alt="" /> <img src="http://members.shaw.ca/raydawg/pics/bunny2.jpg" alt="" />

<small>[ June 06, 2002, 12:54 AM: Message edited by: Rat Bastard ]</small>

[JohnDoe]

I think those little suckers are pretty sweet. i wish i had the stuff to make some.

[Rat Bastard]

After testing, here is my final version of the Beer widget salute:

<img src="http://members.shaw.ca/raydawg/pics/cherry.jpg" alt=" - " />

The beer widget is about half full of flash powder, has a visco fuze and 2 thick coats of epoxy, and a coat of cherry red paint.

P.S: The link for my movie clip (above post) is broken, I will fix it as soon as I find the file and re-upload it.

[endotherm]

Does the fuse always burn through all that paint/epoxy? It appears that you just crudely painted over the fuse, and what usually happens to me is that if a substance like glue/epoxy/paint gets on the fuse wet, it is absorbed into the fuse, and when the stuff dries, the fuse doesn't burn past it when it gets to it.

[mark]

Glue shouldnt get in the fuse, as its plastic coated. Your fuse may be a cheaper brand, or it may be bent.

[endotherm]

that fuse doesn't look like it's NC coated, is it? Rat Bastard: Is it bendable like string(not coated), or stiff like wire (coated). When i used to use uncoated fuse it could barely burn through anything, and was easily ruined by glue, now I use 1/8" triple coated red side spit viscoe :) It owns all.

[Rat Bastard]

It is stiff, I just put the fuze in the hole a little sideways by accident, so thats why it looks bent.

It works, trust me.

<small>[ July 01, 2002, 07:21 PM: Message edited by: Rat Bastard ]</small>

[Rat Bastard]

I just set it off today, It worked perfectly! Nice loud boom.

I will make the movie file and upload it soon.

[PYRO500]

AS far as fusing goes I find that 1/16 (actually a tiny bit larger) tends to work the best in situations where it gets wet. I hav had experience with 3/16 inch fuse where the NC coating actually cracks and can fall off when kept in a roll, of course any fuse that has been kinked will have an area that can snap or tear or worst case scenario not ignite and seperate. that is why you should take good care of your fuses. also watch for capilary action any liquid that touches the end of a fuse will be fairly rapidly sucked through the fibers effectively ruining the fuse, I happen to know this first hand and have not been able to return the fuses to their former state even by heating.

[edg3]

How about changing the mechanics of this thing?
Proposing... instead of this feable "flash powder" fill it up with some TNT or something? You could do what Mr. Cool proposed really, make them out of paper, or take it a step further, and put them in 1mm metal balls, or even just in tin foil? The problem would be the ignition, would a simple fuse ignite the full TNT?

[Donutty]

I'm back and it's my first post in about a year (hello to all the orignial fellas) and I am depressed to see this person's reply on their first post! What a lovely 'welcome back' present!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

[kingspaz]

no.
TNT is a secondary explosive which requires a shockwave from another explosive to be detonated effectively. read a few books. try and find a book called 'kitchen improvised blasting caps' this has an introduction that will teach you the VERY basics.
learn what you are talking about before you post otherwise you look stupid. like calling flash powder 'feable'. have 2g of it go off in your hand then tell me its feable.
now read lots of archived topics and old threads and KNOW what you are talking about before talking.
donutty, glad to see you back :cool: . don't worry about this new guy. if he doesn't follow this diciplinary action he will be removed permanently.

[Arkangel]

Hi Donutty <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

I've been having loads of fun with my guiness widget boomers. Practice really does make perfect, and the last time I got busy I made 35 of them in a little over an hour. I've been comparing them to military issue thunderflashes, and they ROCK!!!!

Better still are the green plastic containers you get for "mini softmints". They are about 3 times the size, and nicely sized for throwing. The plastic is slightly softer as well, so less "shrapnel" I'll try and post pics sometime. I painted the last lot black, and they looked evil.

[Trinitrotoluene]

Anyone played with those smoke balls that are sold in most states right? They are consitured safe and sane fireworks so they should be around.The price is $1 for a pack of 6 balls, they are round balls with a fuse, after lit it gives off smoke. Since they are exactly the same shape of a cherrybomb it can be used as a caseing.I'm guessing after the smokeballs has been used you just fill it with flash insert fuse, put glue around the fuse to make a seal,light and run.

[Rat Bastard]

Hmmmm nice Idea however, I found that those can be pretty brittle at times, and tend to have lots of (if spent) crap inside. I tried to do this, but they crumbled.

Anyways, I made a construction page for widget cherry bombs:
http://krimzonpyro.com/rat/devices/widget.html

[Trinitrotoluene]

Nice work RatBastard. Today while visiting a sporting good store to pick up for magnesium firestarters I came upon some plastic balls which are like widgets their shells are very hard and strong, and the size of tennis balls. I was out of luck because the firestarters are so damn expensive, and I was out of money to buy them.I will go back there again next time. I was thinking about ping pong balls as caseings but maybe the walls are too weak. Well those tennis sized plastic balls will sure make some loud reports.

[NickSG]

I use ping pong balls as casings all the time, but tape or a few layers of glue is needed to increase the report and explosive power.

The way I make them it to first, cut a slit in the ball about 1 inch across. I fill the ball about 4/5 full of the explosive of my choice, stick in a couple of inches of fuse in, and put a little tape around the fuse to keep the powder from falling out, along with a drop of hot glue. Then, I mix up some wood glue and sawdust, and I dip the ping pong ball into a bowl full of the glue mixture several times until the whole ball is covered with at least a 1/4 inch thick layer of the glue, and then I hang the salute by the fuse to dry for 2 or 3 days. They are extremely loud and powerful even with black powder, and are one of my favorite salutes (the bad thing about them is you have to wait for the glue to dry a long time, compared with 5 minutes with tube salutes, and the fragments of hardened glue can cuase personal or property damage).

[Trinitrotoluene]

Maybe a layer of sawdust .5 inches thick bonded with waterglass will do the trick with making ping pong balls more powerful and louder.I'm more concerned with the sharpnel it gives off.

[NickSG]

Use wood glue. It is just as strong, but much more flexible than sodium silicate, and when the cherry bomb explodes it will be blown in much less peices than SS.

[Trinitrotoluene]

Good idea I have never thought of it. Well I do use put a coating of woodglue around the endplugs of my M-80s since the endplug walls are weaker then the whole caseing that gives it strength, giving a louder bang. But I have too much sodium silicate and can't find a use for it. When I buy 30% H2O2 in woodbleach not only I get one quart of 30% H2O2 but also sodium silicate.

[NickSG]

What are your plugs made of, and what explosive are you using in them? For most of my salutes I use hot glue plugs, but this may be a problem if your explosive is unstable. I like to plug in the glue gun for about 30 minute, and after heating it I hold it against 1/8 teaspoon of explosive, and if it doesnt ignite, then it should be relativly safe, but you still should respect it.

You can use sodium silicate for your cherry bombs, but if you expect anything or anybody to be closer than 50 feet, use another glue. I would also wear eye protection, since I would rather look like a nerd for a few seconds then loose my eye sight for the rest of my life.

[Trinitrotoluene]

The M-80s plugs are carboard. After glueing it an extra layer of glue is added to it. Then the filler is 8 grams of flash which is the standard 7/3 mixture of KClO4 and Al powder. My Al powder is 600mesh german dark flaked.
Nick I never thought the standard cherrybomb will be that powerful its nothing more then 2 end caps glued togeather filled with around 1 gram of flash then the bonded sawdust. Do you really think 1 gram of flash can make the wood fly at such as volocity?
I can understand with ping pong balls as they are alot more then 1 gram of flash but the standard cherrybomb, but I think you may be overestimateing the standard cherrybomb.

[NickSG]

You can add a little glue on the plugs if you feel like you need to, but for me, the flash powder is powerful enough to shred the casing every time.

1 gram of any explosive equal or more powerful than black powder is much more powerful than most people think. The average 9mm bullet has just under a gram (10-15 grains) of nitrocellouse, and in my opinion, 7/3 is more powerful than deflagrating NC. If a less powerful explosive can send a 1/4 ounce lead weight 1200 fps, I think a more powerful explosive in the same amount could do some pretty bad damage. Im not saying the shrapnel given off by a cherry bomb has the same pfe as a 9mm, but im just saying I wouldnt ever want to get hit by a shattered peice of glue.

[Cyclonite]

Its really not the power in the gun its the confiment and focus of all the expanding gasses by the barrel. Ever put a bullet in a fire? Its energy is spread everywhere and the bullet does not travel to far.

[NickSG]

Yeah, but replace the nitrocellouse in the bullets with flash powder and that bullet will fly about 3 three times as far. Usually the grain size in 9mm bullets is large, so without a barrel it is useless, and even replacing the grains to a smaller size will get it farther. Like I said, it will not be as powerful as a 9mm bullet, but I would never want to get hit by a fragment.

[Rat Bastard]

Woah, look what http://www.cannonfuse.com/ started selling!
http://www.cannonfuse.com/images/Picture_133.jpg

[Trinitrotoluene]

Those seem like ideal caseings for cherrybombs.

[fasa]

I tried to use a tennis ball to make a nice "firecracker" ;)

I cut a very small hole in it, just a bit bigger than the the size of the fuse....
I filled the ball with BP almost all the way, and inserted the fuse.

I sealed the fuse hole with hot glue.
Then i wrapped the ball with two layers of ductape (I also tried one without tape).

When I lit the fuse, the ball spat out fire like crazy, but did not blow...
Has anyone done anything like this? and could tell me what I did wrong?
Why did it spit of fire instead of blow?

I am pretty sure the problem isn't with my BP, because I have successfully made salutes before with the same batch of BP.

I don't see why this wouldn't work, as tennisball walls are very tough, and I made sure the fusehole was sealed well.

Thanks,
FASA

EDIT: added some information I forgot to add.

[blindreeper]

Because tennis ball is not a good casing - simple as that. It would melt before it blew. I think it needs to be hard. But it could be that BP isn't usually good in salutes, but if you used 5g of AP in a tennis ball it would surly do some damage. I think just stick with widgets or paper tubes!

[NickSG]

The tennis ball would rupture with a small pop if it wasnt a good casing. Good black powder burns too fast to melt the casing before rupturing it.

IMO, a tennis ball is a good casing (even though much too large for salutes), but with slower burning powders, the ratio of the diameter of the ball is too small. Its hard to explain how it works, but with slow burning powders, a long but relativly thin case is what you want, since all the pressure is on the tubes walls rather than the area around the fuse hole.

As long as the BP is a fine powder, I dont see what the problem is. Try filling it half hay or even 1/3 way and see how that goes.

[Mr. Pseudo]

My favorite filler was always AP mixed with MEKP softened NC. Mix in enough acetone to get it almost pourable, spread it into a halved ping-pong ball, with a hole in one half, stick a fuse in the hole and let dry. I then glued the halves together, and gave them a decent coat of epoxy to prevent detonation by deformation.

I have actually dropped these from a hight of 3 feet (from behind cover) and never had one go off without being lit! It took a 6 foot fall onto solid concrete to set one off consistantly. They are also totally waterproof, as the filler is plastic.

In case you care...

Using a filler of 75% AP, 20% NC, and 5% MEKP(by weight):

2 foot drop: 0/8
3 foot drop: 0/8
4 foot drop: 1/10
5 foot drop: 2/10
6 foot drop: 5/8
8 foot drop: 8/8

As long as you're not trying to juggle these things you should be safe. :p

[Boomer]

" As long as you're not trying to juggle these things you should be safe. "

Yes, you got a 90% chance not to blow your foot off if you drop it from breast height (4 feet). And probably a 50% chance to survive if you trip and fall onto the pocket it is in (or someone shoves you, kicks you etc). :p

If they reliably detonate from an 8' drop, they are no cherry bombs but monster fun snaps! Why use fuse at all?

Personally, I learned the hard way that nobody is invulnerable (and that fingers do get lost). You better think about what could happen, not what is likely to happen!

[tmp]

I would never use a sensitive primary in fireworks. Entirely too unsafe.
The problem with AP is that it may be stable enough to handle 99 out
of 100 times. It's that 1 time I'd worry about. IIRC, M-80s made many
years ago contained 45 grains, or 2.9 grams, of flash powder.

[FrKoNaLeaSh]

Yes you are correct. The original military m80 contained 2.9 grams of flash. My favorite way to make globe salutes or cherrybombs is to use the crackling ball cases or to use the ball from roll on deoderants. Couple layers of tape and you get a very nice report. You could cover them in epoxy/sawdust if you prefer.

[K9]

Those would definitely be the snap pops from hell. Sounds like fun :p

The crackling ball containers work beautifully - http://www.geocities.com/thedoghouse00/chlorburst.avi - especially if coated in something and wrapped in tape.

[cracker]

The "OG" (Original Gangster) CHERRY BOMB right here> http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT1783999

With Star or Smoke Pellet addition

[deadman]

Cracker:

It is good to see you have found a lot of use in google's patent search. And while you have provided some mildly entertaining links, I don't see how copying and pasting a link that took a few minutes search on google reason enough to bring a 2½ year old thread back to life. It is easy to find how "original gangster" cherry bombs were made and I believe it is mentioned several times throught the forum.

I see your post count rise rather quickly, but do not see very much in what you have to say.

[cracker]

Cracker:

It is good to see you have found a lot of use in google's patent search. And while you have provided some mildly entertaining links, I don't see how copying and pasting a link that took a few minutes search on google reason enough to bring a 2½ year old thread back to life. It is easy to find how "original gangster" cherry bombs were made and I believe it is mentioned several times throught the forum.

I see your post count rise rather quickly, but do not see very much in what you have to say.


As for the Cherry Bomb Patent information - I provided the Link for these reasons,

1. Authenticity is important for "most":D Pyrotechnic Enthusiasts and this Patent is as authentic as it gets.
2. Show me another Sodium Silicate Cherry Bomb that details the use of a "Smoke Pellet" or "Star"
3. I myself have searched for this Patent in the past and was unable to find it.

And "LitTl3mAn" as for you and your opinion about not seeing much in what I have to say..........

I find that interesting seeing as how you re-refered to my information or indirectly quoted me in the Reliable Ignition of Confined Thermite Thread, on the use of Imitation Thermalite Igniter Fuse

And your Post in one of my Thread's called Free Chemicals!! By Aggressive Sampling.

After reviewing your Posts and Threads I found a lot of "burning" and Less Information.

That will be all I have to say on this subject.

The best place to buy Cherry Bomb casings 4000 for $108.00>http://www.actionmatic.com/extra_caps.php?size=118
If you buy the larger sizes be sure to ask for the "Shatterproof" Kind.

Who would have thought that the best cherry bombs would turn out to be Canadian?:p

[AlB]

But the shockwaves that my BP crackers had were something you had to see to believe (and you could very well see it as it traveled outward from the blast point like a giant blurry bubble).

You were able to produce a shockwave from normal Black Powder? Can I ask if this was some sort of improvised BP mix?