armoured car

[McCoy]

OOh no, not another guy pretending to do a big heist and blow up an armoured car. And he's just brand new here! What an attitude!
Let me reassure you. I'm not pretending <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> .
I just want to know how thick the metal of the sides/top of a armoured truck is. Preferably the trucks they use in Europe (Brink's Ziegler/Nedloyd e.g.). I guess it wouldn't be much more than 4mm would it? Otherwise the trucks would be extremely heavy and should be called tanks, wouldn't they? I think they weigh about 7 or 8 tons, but I'm not sure. Any information is welcome. And if you scratch my back I'll scratch yours, promise (well not literally of course...I'm more into blond long legged females and not ugly pyromaniacs's but that's another topic).

<small>[ June 22, 2002, 10:30 AM: Message edited by: McCoy ]</small>

[vulture]

Uhoh, seems there must have been some long legged blonde near when you posted this TWICE...and it is one of your first posts... Better stick your head back in between the legs...

<small>[ June 20, 2002, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: vulture ]</small>

[stanfield]

the door is 2 mm of steel. Dunno for the top

Don't do something you'll regret later...

[PYRO500]

I don't really think your serious, if you are you sure know how to spell conspiracy along with taking no steps to protect your IP thus allowing your true ID to be determinable.

[drstrangelove]

I dont know how thick the armor is but not many people have succesfully broken in or blown there way into armored trucks..Its just to much troble.
But every week armed men steal big money from those trucks.
They dont use sexy ambushes, explosives or any exotic tricks or scams they pull guns and demand the cash its that simple.
Unless your prepared to pull a gun and use it dont bother.
Something that made me laugh..This bloke robbed a armored car guard for his bag of money but the guard resisted and was promply pistol whipped to the ground and the bandit escaped...the funny part is the guard lost his job because they are not supposed to resist robbers.ha ha har <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[McCoy]

Of course I'm not serious. It's just my back up plan. Plan A is to find a nice pretty girl, get married, have children and live happily ever after. But if that fails I'm gonna resort to plan B. And that's to rob a armoured car, get the money and BUY me the good life! Including (many) long legged blond girls.
You should know you always need a back up plan :)

And you don't have to tell me anything about the dangers and risks involved, even posting this question in this Forum is a risk, I know. Sure this site is monitored by certain government agencies (they probably even join this Forum. Hello guys :) ), and sure it could lead to an investigation or serve as proof. I know exactly how the police works. Knowing your enemy is rule number one.

And Dr Strangelove, just the last couple of months there where at least 3 armoured car heist where the used explosives to blast their way into the car and get away with the money (2 in Belgium and 1 in Holland). And the example of the guard losing his job shows two things: first, you should know your enemy: you need as much information as possible about the transport, procedures etc. Secondly: there will always be suprises (guards that don't follow procedures :) ).

And Stanfield, the doors are the the must secure (and thickest) spot of such a car. A door is never 2mm thick. It got locks, hinges, frames or even 1" security glass in it. So how is it gonna be 2mm thick? Please explain.
And that's exactly why I asked for the thickness of the sides and top: the places on the vehicle where there's only a sheet of steel between you and the loads of cash.

And just for your information: did you know that lately I tested several charges on security glass and 4mm steel? Didn't think so. So don't judge a guy by his first post! I sure as hell take my back up plan serious.

<small>[ June 22, 2002, 10:41 AM: Message edited by: McCoy ]</small>

[PYRO500]

and your evidence of these tests? pictures movies? mesurable scientific data? I see none of that.

[pyromaniac_guy]

why would you even consider goin in through the top??? bringing a step ladder with you to get up there, and hefting cash through the hole isnt exactly what you want to do ni a quick in, quick out situation.... experiment with proper linear shape charges with the apropriate standoff... a shape charge to go through an inch of steel is not going to weigh very much per linear foot.... a copper lined shape charge with RDX as the explosive will only have an explosive content of 71 grams per foot if you want to cut through 1 inch of steel....

[zaibatsu]

I'm guessing that he wants to go through the top because its most likely that like a tank, an armoured trucks armour is thinnest on top.

[10fingers]

I've got an idea for you. Get a friggin job! If most criminals spent a fraction of the time they're going to spend in jail thinking of legitimate ways to make a living instead of some scam they would have it made.

[stanfield]

A corse said to me that the Brink's door was 2 mm of steel...
Corse are terrorist but not lyer :)

see ya !

[drstrangelove]

How did you hear about those robberies? The newspaper? If so which ones and do you have a link?
Were the guards injured by the blasts?
Were they done in daylight?
What was the M.O
All I can say is there are to many "ifs" when using explosives.
use to much people may get killed accidently or wounded the money destroyed or maybe not get in at all, plus all the property damage smashed windows ect.
But as soon as the guards are out of that van there sitting ducks.
Ive never heard off anyone using explosives in this country and there have been hundreds of robberies.
But if you think you can-go for it.

[nbk2000]

Why bother blasting the door if the truck can drive away?

The true master paralyzes his opponents, leaving them vulnerable to attack.

Use an LSC to fracture the drive train or axles. Or shove them under the tires like wheel chokes and blow them. Or an EFP to shatter the engine block. Then it's immobile and can be opened at your (very quick) leisure.

A very small shaped charge is used to punch a hole in the armor through which ammonia gas is pumped in to flush the guards out. They either flee the truck or die. Simple and quick.

RTPB: "Keep It Simple, Stupid"

[McCoy]

10fingers you're right. And if I can find a girl that loves me, I'm even willing to get one of those friggin' lousy jobs that pays crap and reduces you to a slave. That's plan A. But if not, I'm not going to work a shitty job and at the end of the month pay all the money to the landlord and making the owner of the factory rich. I'm not gonna be a slave and letting people getting rich over my back! Then I'm just gonna take my share.
And go to <a href="http://www.omroep.nl/avro/opsporing" target="_blank">http://www.omroep.nl/avro/opsporing</a> and see how it's done (click on 'archief', then click on 'april 2002' and then on 'Haarlemmerliede', learn Dutch and read it): two cars to immobilise the truck. One explosive charge to blow a hole in the side (not the door of course Stanfield). Take out the money. Get in the getaway car. And drive off. No one injured (just a bit scared).
They could improve their heist by using LSC's instead of one big charge to reduce the amount of explosive and subsequent dangers (just contact me guys :) ). But overall it was a perfect heist. Probably not their first one (they probably started all off as petty thiefs stealing bikes :) ).
So the only problem is to find people capable, willing and trustworthy enough to carry it out. Then plan B is easy. Anyone?

<small>[ June 23, 2002, 01:09 PM: Message edited by: McCoy ]</small>

[stanfield]

hehehe, I'm always ready for increasing my adrenaline but have you got some Kalashkikov, bullet proof clothes, ammunition,... all these things who are impossible to get, you understand ?

see ya ! (in jail :) )

[Arkangel]

Stanfield, by "A Corse", do you mean someone from Corsica? It has to be said that they should have a pretty good idea what they are doing there, since they have been blowing stuff up and shooting people (mainly each other) for many years <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> .

Having said that, a standard car has pretty much 2mm steel in most places, do you really think that's all there is, would it even be self supporting/single skinned? :confused: Not much of an armoured car, you could open it with a can opener, or a gas axe in seconds.

However, I am of the opinion that this is another poxy thread, please don't let's have it continue much longer. Anybody seriously considering a job on a truck like this, would be a fucking idiot to use a forum like this for serious planning. Just how many clues do you want to leave? Just how much would you trust the information you get from here? Remembering of course that your success and freedom would be resting on information you get from people you've never met before, and most of whom have probably never seen the technical specs on a Brinks or other truck. And I'll tell you something else, if I HAD got that sort of information, and was a criminal, I sure as shit wouldn't give it to you McCoy :rolleyes: . I would be far more likely to give you loads of shit information, as I have no interest WHATSOEVER in you being successful in the job. For every successful job that happened using MY information, MY techniques, I would be that much closer to having my collar felt. It IS in my interests for twats like you to be put away for fucking things up - keeping the cops busy and distracting them from felons who know what they are doing. (Not me) :p

[stanfield]

Yes, a guy from Corsica... We are shooting in the same sport club. hehehe, he's an old man, it's funny, isn't it ?

[drstrangelove]

Arkangel-chill the fuck out.
Its seen if anyone but NBK brings up a crime topic they are treated like shit.
Dont you know explosive manufacture is just a much a crime as robbery so get off your high horse.
There is nothing wrong with seeking knowledge in armoured cars.
"I would give shit information"that is just absurd.What if members started doing that with explosive preparations.
It takes a lot more stomach to do a robbery that sit at home making loud noises.
Good luck to anyone who does anything and gets away with it.

[nbk2000]

The reason most crime posts here are criticized is because the person posting has no idea what crime is. There's a difference between what you see on TV and the movies, and what's it's like on the streets and in the prisons.

Theory is one thing, doing is another. Having been there and done that, I'm in no big hurry to go back anytime soon for anything less than a major score. RTPB: PETTY

And when I hear people talking so casually about something so serious, it reminds me of a lot of the idiots I see on the streets who get into deep shit that they can't handle. People are better off not getting involved in things they're not ready for but, of course, they don't realize this fact until Tyrone has all 10 inches up their ass in the prison cell they'll be calling home for the next 20 years.

[drstrangelove]

:D :D :D
True.
If you were serious, truly serious you would not talk about it here or anywhere else, its your secret to the grave.

[Arkangel]

Dr Strangelove, my elder brother is an amazing engineer, and built his own race cars (among many other things). I learnt something from him when I watched him putting the roll cage and safety stuff into one, as he was so unbelieveably thorough. I asked him why, when most people would have made do with half the job. He told me "I make the assumption that I am GOING to hit a tree at 100mph, and I am GOING to need every little bit of help I can get when that time comes".

In matters of life and death, he took no stupid risks at all.

You do a job on an armoured car like this and get caught, and your life (as you knew it) is effectively over. Same deal, take no stupid risks or you'll regret it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> . The same does not apply to manufacture of explosives for recreation, given that it is still illegal, you might get banged up, but not for life. (and I'm not talking about manufacturing risks, safety there is a given)

I don't sit at home making loud noises, but if I think a thread is bullshit, I'm definitely not going to bite my tongue about it. Of all the crime related topics I've read on the forum (and I read most stuff that comes up), the majority of them ARE written in this way, by people who are probably never ever going to turn a van over or anything remotely as bold. I don't doubt that it takes guts (and a number of other qualities) to do a robbery. Nor do I doubt that it takes planning and preparation, but you miss my point.

If I were a criminal that had robbed security trucks, I wouldn't be explaining how I did it to all and sundry. I might do it if you were family, or a close friend, or a cell mate, but I would NOT do it to someone on the internet. What if they are a cop, security firm wanting to close loopholes, other villain operating on the same turf. None of these things you would know, and you would be a fool to share the info, as it would bring you that fraction closer to getting caught. Similarly, McCoy would be a fool to trust the information he reads here, as it's in nobody that matters interests to give him any clues. And if you can't see the difference between that and sharing information about HME's then YOU shouldn't bother with crime either.

The main reason I object to this and the type of post that Wicked used to produce is that the "Gangsta" attitude makes me wanna vomit - kids acting like tough guys - SPARE ME!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

Stanfield, could you mail me please, I can't find an email address on your site

<small>[ June 23, 2002, 10:27 PM: Message edited by: Arkangel ]</small>

[Rat Bastard]

I was just wondering, I heard that the bullet proof winshield on armoured cars is one way; meaning you can't shoot them, but they can return fire from behind it . How do they make one-way bulletproof glass?

[nbk2000]

The shoot-through glass is made by an israeli company. It's intended for VIP vehicle armoring, not armored cars. The armored cars are told to drive away, not stand and fight.

As for how it's made, the company is naturally tight lipped about such details.

[Nick B]

Well i believe those armored-cars do not just use plane steel. I believe they use Abrasion resistant steel or AR-10?, something like that for short?, its some good stuff! This stuff can take a beeting though, its what they use on high power-rifle targets. Don't kill me if im wrong though!

[McCoy]

Arkangel is right most of the time.
If you want to do a robbery like that, you don't talk about it.
If you DID a robbery like that, you also sure as hell don't talk about it.
And if you have valuable information necessary to commit such a robbery you don't give it away for free to the first fool that comes along.
And certainly you don't find trustworhty partners in crime on the internet or on this Forum (yes it IS monitored, yes cops do join this Forum). Partners of crime meet each other elsewhere: in jail. Inprisoned for petty crimes they meet and make bigger plans (OK man no more stealing bikes for me man, when I'm out man I'm gonna steal a car. Yeah man! count me in. :) ).
BUT the internet is a place where you can find information. This Forum also. Valuable information is another thing but sometimes something valuable comes up (I know you can't be sure about it and many times it's bullshit but I can tell the difference :) ). And I never said I definitely gonna rob an armoured car. I'm just trying to find some information (and I'm not willing to get my information in jail, although it's most definitely the best place for it :) ). There's nothing wrong or illegal with asking. In this case I just want to know the thickness of the steel of such armored cars.
Judging from the pictures in the newspaper and on tv, the way the metal was bended and blown away by the blast I would say it would be 3-4mm of normal steel. But I just want to be sure. So just an answer to the question please and no discussion if I'm gonna do it or not.

Oh and I tried to make the impression of a kid acting and talking tough, on purpose Arkangel. Just to make sure to keep a low profile. Because in real life I am this real big criminal and of course no one must find out :) .

<small>[ June 25, 2002, 03:14 PM: Message edited by: McCoy ]</small>

[ShadowAlchemist]

McCoy you have either got to be incredibly clever or incredibly fucking stupid to consider pulling off a job as complicated as an armoured car. My guess is leaning in the direction of fucking stupid seeing as you are discussing your plans on a public forum!
Patience, Patience, Patience...Loose lips, sink ships! Spend 5 years researching and tell no-one for christs sake...take all the time you need, coz when your a member of club fed serving a life sentence, youll regret being so irresponsible.
Ill be honest with you okay, i knew a guy once and he was a serious and experienced crook..he'd done everything from fraud to murder and guess what...he decied to rob an armoured car!!
Well Robbo almost got away with it, the fool nearly came through with the goods...but then a guard shot him in the face with a .357 magnum....End of story!
Dont be a dickhead, i think your due for a career change any time now.
Mitch

[Jacks Complete]

ShadowAlchemist (Mitch?),

surely this can't happen in Aus now, since they banned pistols? Or is there an exemption for security guards? If so, it is suprising that there is a "Western" "democracy" that still allows people to defend themselves like that. (The US is not a democracy, it is a republic!)

[ShadowAlchemist]

Jacks Complete, what led you to believe that pistols were banned in australia?
Auto's have been banned since the 70's, semis were restricted many years ago after some geek shot 35 people and now pistols are being 'restricted'.
Just recently all semi-auto pistols with barrel length under 14cm were banned as well as pistols over .40cal. Fucking ridiculous!!
Semi rifles, pistols and autoloading shotties can still be obtained only if you have a class H licence. eg Professional purposes..cops, armed guards etc.
I myself have setup a business which 'says' i professionally exterminate wild pigs and pests etc,
Which means i have now obtained my class D&H firearm licence....mwuhahaha
It also means i now own several semi-auto centrefire rfles, selfloading shotguns and many many semi pistols.Every democracy has its loopholes :)
In theory, if insured guns are stolen, then they are written off with a half-ass investigation and a nice big insurance cheque. What a pity ;)
P.S In australia we can claim self defence as long as we dont apply deadlier force than what was originally applied to us. EG If someone tries to stab you and you stab him back in heat of moment..self defence! If same thing happens and you shoot him...your fucked!

[Blackhawk]

Security guards of armoured vehicles do carry guns here, although people are currently moaning about that because they are more often being robbed for their hand guns than their money ;D Still they really are for show, they are specifically told not to use them, probably because the company insurance dosn't cover them. A little while ago the gov plugged a lot of private security guards into the train system to try and lower the train crime, it was soon clear though that they were not legaly allowed to do anything if they see a crime in progress except 'observe and report' so you could be torturing a person to death in a carrige and all they would be told to do is write it all down, really usefull that was.

[streety]

I think, if I remember correctly, that the shoot through glass is actually two pieces of glass in contact. A hard piece of glass on the outside and a softer piece on the inside. A bullet from outside hits the tough glass and the inside sheet of glass supports it preventing penetration. If someone inside the car shoots outwards the bullet can easily penetrate the softer glass and then without its support the harder glass is also penetrated. I don't know what sort of glass/polycarbonate/whatever is used but I think that is the general principle.

I don't know what it is like in other countries but here in the UK one of the principle operators of armoured trucks is a company called securicor. Their vans have an emergency exit in the roof that can be opened from outside (at least that is what it says in fairly large writing on this exit). I guess this is in case the van is attacked the guards can get out if say a fire starts or gas is used. There is probably an override inside the truck so the guards can stop attackers getting in that way but a combination of gas and this exit might be very successful.

It's still not a great target and I would imagine far more money could be made with far less risk elsewhere. They expect you to attack these trucks which is why they are armoured, you need to make your attack where they don't expect it.

[Jacks Complete]

streety,

I decided to start a new thread on the one-way glass. You can find it here: http://www.roguesci.org/theforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3572

Actually, there is a thread here http://www.roguesci.org/theforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3168 as Rhadon pointed out to me, but it is in the water cooler for some reason.

Perhaps one of the mods could merge the stuff in this thread and my thread into 3168, and move it to a better section?

It is definately a topic for some playing with.

[streety]

Well your thread is now locked but at least we have some more info now. Acrylic and polycarbonate, with the acrylic being the outer hard layer and polycarbonate being the inner softer and more flexible layer.

The glue would probably be the post important part but if one could be found that could live up to the job then producing a flat piece of this shouldn't be too difficult. Producing shaped pieces of glass would be where things got difficult.

(As regards the other thread I think I probably also heard about this on Tomorrows World -great program- but I was curious why you are now without a TV? Possibly moved away to uni? Or just got bored of paying for rubbish?)

[Whitey]

I think the whole idea of robbing an armored car would be stupid, as soon as anything happens you can bet the guards inside will be radioing to the police, thus cutting your time for following your plan and escaping.
But if I were going to try something like that I would create an obstacle in the road (staged car accident for example) that they can't go around. Then come out with a deactivated anti tank weapon (Like the deactivated M72 LAWs rockets for sale at someplaces) and instruct them to open the doors or they get a 66mm HEAT warhead. If they don't believe your threat of force then cut your losses and follow your evac plan. It works on the same principal as a some scumbag ripping off a convience store clerk with a realistic imitation of a firearm. You assume that the victim will not want to bet that whatever your holding isn't real or that you wouldn't really use it.

[Jacks Complete]

streety,

I don't have time nor inclination for TV... I have this forum instead! :)

Most of the TV is rubbish. Yes, there is some good stuff, but the license fee just funds the government brainwashing monopoly which is the BBC.

I might get one in a few years, when I have a Tivo, widescreen TV or projector, Sky, and surround sound box. But then only cos it is a hassle paying £1000 in a fine. There again, broadband that was ten times faster, and I would be able to watch streaming TV.

As for the glass thread, I have shifted my post into the water-cooler thread, and asked that mine be gone, and the water cooler thread be moved to Improved Weapons or the like.

As for the original post, I think we know how dumb that was. I do like Whitey's idea though, of bluff them.

Having said that, an armoured car heist is really dumb if you have no idea what is in it. Do it at the wrong time, and they won't have any money, or they will have ordered bills from the Bank of England, which would be worthless as the serials are known, etc.

5-15 years for the £6000 that you would get from the average bank job just isn't worth it. (I believe that is the average take from a UK armed robbery)

[streety]

£6000? That is low, you could probably get more than that by robbing a supermarket or another large shop. 30 tills, each containing probably on average £300. Thats £9k there and then theres the money in the cash office out of sight. Crowd control would be a problem though!

The only problem using fake weapons is that if caught you get just as long in jail and loose the option of defending yourself. Having said that though, I can't see myself killing anyone for a mere £6k.

The bbc isn't all that bad. For a national TV institution it is actually quite good. It is though not exactly fair that only the BBC receives the licence fee.

I've recently got broadband and have started watching the news feeds on the BBC website. The resolution is surprisingly good.

[Voyager]

People in the United States rob armored cars all of the time without any of this fancy equipment. The robbers just wait until one of the guards has the door open and then they rush him.

One downside is that the guards in the U.S. will shoot you.

Another downside is that the heists tend to net only a few hundred thousand dollars.

Split amongst (minimum 3) people required to rob an armored car, you mights as well just get a day job.

Compare that with the single person who robbed the Berkshire Armored Car Service *Office* two years ago and left with $2M.

Before you commit any crime for money -- read up on the FBI's crime statistics.

[Jacks Complete]

streety,

you could rob a supermarket, but how?

They have far too much space for you to even be heard at the other end! You use a sawn-off, and you haven't even got a way to threaten anyone ten yards away. Even a shotgun isn't going to do much at the 50yards found in a supermarket. How would you stop the police being called on a stockroom phone, or someones mobile? Odds are, even if you timed it really well, you would find at least one customer on a handsfree talking to someone, and what then? What about people in areas of the store you can't ever go? You would need a small army. Plus, someone like me, if someone started yelling "Robbery!", would be sure to leave via the nearest exit, which is a wired firedoor that trips the alarm when opened. I would take my shopping, too, probably, but hey...

I think this is one of the reasons that most banks are now built on quite a large scale. It is too far to control with just one or two people. The reason the haul is so low is because you just don't have time to get someone to open the vault and get the real money, you only have time to grab what the cashiers have on them.

Don't get me wrong, if you could do it, you would get lots of money. But just remember "Pulp Fiction". You might not be the only bad-ass buying twinkies.

[DimmuJesus]

As ridiculous as it is to compare movies to reality, a movie that gives an idea of how much is involved in robbing an armored car is "Heat" with Pacino and Deniro. If you have these kinds of connections and resources in the real world however, you should really do something that is low risk. Low risk and high payoff. Voyager mentioned reading the FBI crime statistics-this really will open your eyes to how unsuccessful certain crimes are. There are more attempts on armored cars than you'd think, and the vast majority are unsuccessful-leading to prison or death. Is any payoff really worth that risk? NBK2000's Tyrone is more than just a joke, and is also the least of your worries in prison. (Not speaking from personal experience, but from many I know who've been there) If you do some type of white-collar low risk crime, and get caught, you may be lucky enough to land yourself in an adult daycare white-collar prison.

[AsylumSeaker]

Well its hard to answer questions like 'how to do an armoured car heist' without giving us information on your equipment or experience etc. If it were me I would wait until I knew of an armour truck which had a route through a rural area or other low population area, anywhere the cops would take longer to get too. How thick do you think the roof of the drivers compartment is? This may sound odd.. but a proper folded steel katana can stab through 2mms of steel if you do it right and don't hit on an angle or anything. (This is all gunna sound a bit far fetched but I'd do it.) You could drop onto the roof of the truck from an over hanging branch as it stops at a corner or to remove a fallen (placed) log. Then you drive your katana through the ceiling and impale the drivers skull, or you could just shoot through it if you had a gun which I don't (I'm going off the info that Armour truck plating is 2mm which doesn' sound right to me but anyways) Then the other guard sitting in the passenger seat according to all the movies i've seen can be dispatched in the same way (Provided your katana hasn't been blunted compltely or snapped or is wedged into the metal). Then you have a armour car with driver and guard eliminated.. uh.. you take it from there.
Also if you had a .50 like a barret or something you could yeah..
My mind really only can think of ways to kill people and not ways to effectivly break into the vehicle. This post is evidence of way to many video games for me.

[xyz]

Provided your katana hasn't been blunted compltely or snapped or is wedged into the metal

That's why you'de be carrying at least two. But it is an extremely far fetched idea that has an extremely small (if any) chance of working in real life, as soon as you landed on top of the van (assuming it does stop in position, unlikely) the gaurds are going to pull out their guns. If you stab one of them through the cieling (almost impossible because he will be moving by now, reaching for the door) then the other one will shoot through the cieling at you, you just can't miss with multiple shots at that range, even if you can't see the target.

It is all way too much like something from Leone the Professional.

While I am here, I will make the point that perhaps the driver isn't the best place to attack, the tyres are also vulnerable (see the stinger replacement thread), and there would also be other ways to go about it.

[Ammonal]

Might be a tad overkill but by the sounds of it some 28yo person is australia has figured out a pretty darn good way of taking a car apart... ;)
But explosives arent really the best way to go unless you could be super organised (not that hard only a little surveilance and some planning) place some of the black tire spikes like I posted in the Improvised Road spikes thread, truck stops, the people inside have 2 choices; call for backup and wait inside the truck or venture outside. Once you have the gaurds where you want them the takedown of the truck should be a simple operation. Oh and around here they only work through the daylight hours although, some of them move around at night;

Conclusion: surveilance, surveilance, surveilance.

[ibuprofen]

The trucks undoubtedly have run-flat tires or are under orders to attempt to flee even with punctured tires. However, check out "replacement for stinger" thread and/or this link:

http://www.qinetiq.com/markets/automotive/markets1.SupportingInformation.0001.document.pdf

I think the best way to stop one would be by confusion: make a convincing situation in their path that they would have to stop for, e.g. an accident in the road blocking it off etc., then block off their escapes and hit them hard. I don't think it would be worth the risk, however, especially considering the number of people necessary for such a job. Lots of mouths involved for a reward that might divide up meagerly.

[daysleeper]

Read the book, The Silent Brotherhood"Inside America's Racist Underground. This is the real lie account of a group called The Order back in the 80's that robbed several armed cars, and were only brought down by a rat, they used some very creative and simple ways , do a search find the book, then contemplate your own plan.

[nbk2000]

Here's an interesting trick that someone is pulling.

http://www.emergency.com/ofcrwarn.htm

If only they were more technically proficient, there'd have been baco'bits all over the place. :D

And this is why you need to learn how to properly cache your loot. It almost made me cry, reading this one. :(

http://www.roundupnews.com/news/2003/10/23/News/Rotting.1.5.Million.From.1995.Armored.Car.Heist.Fo und-536813.shtml

And let's not leave out the venerable ATM.

http://www.atmmarketplace.com/marketplace_showcase.htm