Fuck Kevin Rudd...

[Red Beret]

Kevin Rudd, the Australian "Prime Minister", wants to (among other things) censor what we can access on our own computers! Is he off his fucking head!?

This country has gone to shit, that smarmy little bastard Rudd is really doing a number on us. He can't be too bright either, he said "sorry" to the aboriginies, for the actions of past government. Gee, I didn't think they would go for compensation, fucking surprise, surprise.

The only thing I'm sorry about is that Captain Cook and his team didn't wipe them out. Fucking sorry, shit.

And now the "gun control coalition" (ie; extremist anti- self defence party) are pushing for complete ban on handguns. I hope the leader of this party has his house broken into, his kids tied up and beaten and his wife raped senseless in front of him. But he can rest happy, he is trying to take "murderous guns" out of the hands of "criminals" by imposing new "laws". While you are at it mate, why don't you ban cars, trucks, busses, cigarretes, alcohol, kitchen knives, chainsaws, and all those other day to day inanimate items, that are used by just about eveyone. Because they kill people, don't you know?

I'm fucking fed up. You know what I mean?

[ChippedHammer]

The lesser of two evils?

I prefer Rudd over that fuckwit Howard any day, I am also of the opinion that we should have removed the natives from existence, then we could just say 'ohh well happened too long ago to care about' and move on.

Handguns were damn hard to get legally anyway, all gun bans do is to make idiots feel safe because you know the criminals all use legal guns. All it does is take weapons away from responsible people. If you want a handgun, buy a blank (http://www.diyguns.com/) from the US, carefully import (not to hard) and buy some tools and a cheap mill to finish it off.

[Charles Owlen Picket]

Many of the decent, hard working people of Australia & NZ don't realize how many guns exist in Asia. On the streets of any large city there is a whole sale black market selling firearms like any drug dealer would sell dope. I suppose that statement rings obvious but when it's actually witnessed, it becomes a bit more powerful.

In Japan's big cities, it's covered by OC interests and stays there but in places like Hong Kong it's on the streets, quite open like dope. Same with Seoul: it's a street sale. Oz is too physically near that phenomenon for the same people to not start taking part of that market. "Object control" has always been a convenient whipping boy or security blanket of politicians. That will never change.

I would enjoy knowing statistically what the level of violent crime is before and after physical controls are implemented. London is actually a pretty violent city. After all sorts of firearms laws, they had a spike in violent crime! Look at the major cities in the USA which have strict firearms laws.....they are nightmares. Just out of curiosity, does the present Australian government deal more harshly with violent offenders than previous administrations?

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Is there a great deal of firearms discussion in the Australian/NZ press or TV???

[dinkydexy]

I agree with Red Beret; if Kevin Rudd seriously wants to see less physical violence and bloodshed he should stop all his silly talk about 'censorship' and 'handgun control' and simply sort out the Australian front row. If they actually HAVE a front row to sort out, that is.

I'm sure everyone here is familiar with the events of 6.10.07 in Marseille, France, during the Rugby World Cup, when the England front row of Phil Vickery, Andrew Sheridan and Mark Reagan pulverised the Aussies to a pulp, thus setting up a famous England victory and sending the cry-baby Aussies back to where they came from (possibly on the same plane as New Zealand, who got similarly pulverised by France later the very same day, in spite of yet again being 'hot favourites'(!) to win the Trophy).

I think you should start a pressure group, Red Beret, lobbying Kevin Rudd to introduce legislation making it compulsory for the Aussie pack to PUSH in scrums, ROLL in mauls and RUCK during, er, rucks. Believe you me, things will be much less ugly for you if they do, and it will put an end to all the pain and suffering your nation has to bear as a result of their current lily-livered efforts in a flash. He needs to be told.

[Bugger]

In New Zealand, possession of handguns (except air pistols, for which no license is required) is legal generally only in the hands of the Pigs, the Armed Services, licensed antique collectors, and licensed members of pistol clubs (who have to keep their guns in the secure custody of the pistol clubs' premises, and never remove them). The Pigs are in charge of licensing. Temporary licenses may be given by the Pigs for such purposes as film-making. A "pistol" is defined as any firearm that is shorter than 13 inches (33 cm).

[condor_b75]

What most people fail to realize that it is not and never was about guns and violence, but about control and manipulation. And always was. Unarmed populace is an easy prey for all kinds of predators. Instead of using the force as they did in Russia in 1920s and 30s they use "soft" approach and "reasoning" to achieve the same goal.

[sbovisjb1]

Kevin Rudd, the Australian "Prime Minister", wants to (among other things) censor what we can access on our own computers! Is he off his fucking head!?

This country has gone to shit, that smarmy little bastard Rudd is really doing a number on us. He can't be too bright either, he said "sorry" to the aboriginies, for the actions of past government. Gee, I didn't think they would go for compensation, fucking surprise, surprise.

The only thing I'm sorry about is that Captain Cook and his team didn't wipe them out. Fucking sorry, shit.

And now the "gun control coalition" (ie; extremist anti- self defence party) are pushing for complete ban on handguns. I hope the leader of this party has his house broken into, his kids tied up and beaten and his wife raped senseless in front of him. But he can rest happy, he is trying to take "murderous guns" out of the hands of "criminals" by imposing new "laws". While you are at it mate, why don't you ban cars, trucks, busses, cigarretes, alcohol, kitchen knives, chainsaws, and all those other day to day inanimate items, that are used by just about eveyone. Because they kill people, don't you know?

I'm fucking fed up. You know what I mean?

Just because Guns are illegal does not mean that criminals won't use them. They don't give a shit, only law abiding citizens who are trying to defend themselves will be screwed.

[Secong Nature]

This may seem a leap of logic from people owning handguns and people toting them in public, but I'm more against the idea of guns in public than for it.
Having said that I'm fine with people owning as many guns as they want, but like Bugger said, there are far too many loops you have to jump through to obtain a handgun that they have become essentially illegal.
I do however carry knives around with me on all occasions (relatively small ones mind you), these I justify by saying that they are just as much tools as weapons and are more to ward off a fight than to win one.
But I do believe that it is illegal for people to even carry a Swiss Army Knife around as they are concealable weapons.
Though I did meet Rigel (infamous cop who plays in the band Dawn of Azazel) off duty and he was all for carrying knives around.
Seems that packing blades may not be a very enforced law after all.

[Bugger]

Speaking of law 'n' order in Australia, the Pig forces in Australia, State and Federal, are internationally notorious for their corruption. In the late 1970s, a big drug smuggler, engaged in getting Thai heroin into Australia using yachts and "mules" (couriers), declared that "one can buy an Australian cop for a hamburger" (sic). Do any Australian members have any opinions as to which are the most corrupt, and the most brutal, Pig forces in Australia? From what I know, the Queensland State Pigs, closely followed by those in New South Wales, are the most corrupt (with Victoria not too far behind), while the West Australia State Pigs are the most brutal.

[Anformula]

The US is becoming more and more isolated on issues relating to gun control, and I greatly fear for our rights even here....

The world is gradually being overcome by a wave of big government socialism, and civil disarmament is one of the major steps along the way. The Hillarys and Obamas in the US want nothing more than to transform this country into a Socialist society in the mold of France or Canada. Private ownership of guns has no place in that future.

It infuriates me just to think about it, primarily because I know there are millions of smart put passive sheep in the USA who passionately agree with them.

[Charles Owlen Picket]

One of the most important things when making a decision of who to support politically is to check the voting record of a candidate who has any past political activity. With US senators that is very easy. ALL THREE CANDIDATES HAVE VOTED REPEATEDLY FOR FURTHER CONTROLS OVER FIREARMS. John McCain has made it no secret that he comfortable with more constraints on firearms ownership, etc.

ALL THREE candidates for US President may embrace further controls. If you were looking for that High-cap Glock or Eastern European AK, I would buy it NOW and not wait until after the election.

[Anformula]

In many ways, the "final showdown" on this issue could well be the current reversal of the Washington DC ban. The ban was reversed in federal court on the grounds that it was a violation of the second amendment....

It is going to the Supreme Court, I believe they have no choice but to hear the case, and as I understand it the central issue will be whether the second ammendment is an "individual" right. This argument is so disingenuous that it infuriates me. Everyone knows the US founding fathers intended the second ammendment to be an individual right, the dissenting arguments are merely desperate left wing attempts to circumvent the constitution....

And yet the Supreme Court has to clarify it........:mad:

I think both sides are afraid of the decision the court might make. The court is pretty well split, and anything is possible.....

[Bugger]

It is going to the Supreme Court, ... the central issue will be whether the second ammendment is an "individual" right. This argument is so disingenuous that it infuriates me. Everyone knows the US founding fathers intended the second ammendment to be an individual right, the dissenting arguments are merely desperate left wing attempts to circumvent the constitution.
I thought that only money-driven right-wingers attempt to to circumvent the U$ Constitution. MANY more attempts have been made to do so by Republican Presidents and Congresspeople than by Democratic ones.

[Anformula]

I thought that only money-driven right-wingers attempt to to circumvent the U$ Constitution. MANY more attempts have been made to do so by Republican Presidents and Congresspeople than by Democratic ones.


And your point is..........???:confused: