single shot gun plans

[twinkle]

Does someone have plans (drawings) for making a "simple" single shot pistol (without a magazine) ?

[BoB-]

If your going to make it a singleshot, why use a bullet at all?

[Madog555]

this has been discussed before

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[twinkle]

it can be discussed before like you say( not as an insult) but can you then tell me where to find them ? I have never seen plans of them .I do have some of my own but I always are interested in seeing new things if someone is interested in the one I have let me know

[nbk2000]

SEARCH OR DIE! http://assaultweb.net/ubb/icons/icon26.gif

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[twinkle]

You seems to be very agressive NBK , but I only found addresses for automatic guns in which I am not realy interested , maybe I had to be more precise I was looking for break open barrel systems with or without a hammer and falling (rolling) block systems like the Remington , Winchester and Stevens Sharps and so

[HMTD Factory]

Chill, people~

Yes there are excellent detailed drawings in the market but you will have to pay for them.
There are couple books in Brownells Catalog
(Brownells Catalog is a huge catalog for gun
parts and related stuff).

You can order them books straight from
Brownells website WWW.Brownells.com (http://WWW.Brownells.com)

In my 2001 catalog, on page 189 there are 6
single-shot rifle related books, one
dedicated to gun plans.

[HMTD Factory]

Well the Brownells site isn't as convenient
as I thought so I am giving you this map.

Ok, here's the walkthrough :

go to www.brownells.com (http://www.brownells.com)

click "product"

chose manufacturer "DEHASS BARRELS"

leave the "stock no." blank

click "search"

click "de HASS SINGLE SHOT BOOKS & MANUALS"

you will see four books, the second one says:


Mr. Single Shot's BOOK OF RIFLE PLANS - Frank and Mark de Haas. 83 pages. 8½" x 11".

Softbound. Extremely detailed book filled with crisp, clear, cross-sectional drawings and step-by-step procedures for making four de Haas-designed single shot actions. Featured are two Chicopee actions, designed for small cartridges and as first-rifle projects for the amateur gunsmith, plus Vault Lock Actions #1 and #2 which employ round breech blocks and many non-traditional features.

[twinkle]

The book you describe is that of" Frank de Haas" (or Hass)? , I do have a book of this de Haas is is also soft covered but it is from 1969 is that the same ?

[FragmentedSanity]

Lo all :)
Hey Twinkle I for one would be interested in the plan you have... I can probably dig up a few files as well - nothing spectacular but enough to give you some ideas.
By the sound of things your after someting a little more technical than a zip gun (I dont blame you)
what sort of idea do you have in mind? derringer style, caliber? My preference is as always .22, Do you actually want to machine it to look genuine - or do you want to use pipes and a better trigger system?
later all.
FS

[twinkle]

I like the .22 LR or WRM derringer style and I like to keep it simple and I am not a realy favourite of the zipgun while the bullets are not "locked up " in those barrels although that can easely be solved when you have a zipgun like a pengun

[HMTD Factory]

I dunno if the book's the same as yours. But
if the number of pages(83p) coincides then
it could be the same. (It's Frank de Haas,
Brownells website spelt it wrong.)

If you have the book, is it good/useful?

Derringers eh? Break action is probably the
shortest action possible, barrel lock-up
mechanism has to be precise tho, or it will
give off-target accuracy and leak gas.

[Anthony]

Probably far simpler than you're thinking of, but here's something I knocked up in an afternoon from a 5/8" nut and bolt and a few scraps of 15mm copper pipe:

http://www.geocities.com/eawfuk/22.html

Everything sanded and epoxied together, the thing holding the firing pin is a piece of threaded section of the bolt. The firing pin is a nail ground to a blade tip and is held in by a collar, which is a small drilled out nut. The hammer is a short length of brass rod drilled and threaded onto the eye-bolt.

The thing is pretty rusted/green/manky now having spent a while outdoors.

Edit: typos

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[twinkle]

indeed very nice , simpel ,effective and fast to make with common materials

[jin]

has anybody read the appeal for p.a lutty author of expedient firearms.

www.jpfo.org/alert11.htm (http://www.jpfo.org/alert11.htm)

[Bitter]

Is Jack Straw* still the home secretary ? I thought he'd been replaced with David Blunket**.

*His son is a coke dealer and his brother is a convicted peadophile.

**He's blind, but then again, aren't they all ?

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[J]

"Unfortunately, the photographer did not sympathize with Philip's cause, and informed the police of the whole operation."

I always wondered how he got caught.

Full story on Straws brother:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_916000/916179.stm

J

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[Bitter]

Moral of the story : Do it yourself.

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[HMTD Factory]

Or : Don't **** around in England.

[Agent Blak]

If I were inclinded to make a gun it would be as follows;
barrel length: 4" or 10cm
-Diameter: 1/2" or 1.25cm
-Material: drill rod
-bore: Smoth; drilled with 15/64" bit
Caliber: .22 for a power hammer
Projectile: made from plumbing solder
trig.mech: similiar to what is used in a cap gun.

single shot is not hard to build. Use you grey matter...

[nbk2000]

RTPB #1, Trust No One!

Especially photographers you don't know to take pictures of you making guns in a country so fanatically anti-gun.

That's the british equivalent of an American hiring some photographer out of the phone book to take pictures of you making meth in a lab. http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

The guy was obviously a DIY kind of person, why couldn't he take his own fucking pictures?!

That's why I bought a digital camera, no need for developing and the attendant risk of exposure.

Manky? Is that similiar to Skanky (dirty, unclean)?

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[twinkle]

Agent Blak when you are meaning blanks for using a power hammer like a Hilti hammer then when you would use the black ones (for using with metal ) then a 1/2 " thick barrel would be tricky these are very powerfull cartridges , yelow would be okay and I do have some drawings of .22 cal but there are always simpler ways to make things like Anthony showed which could be of interest when making one .

[Anthony]

"manky" Adj. Scruffy, dirty, distasteful, disgusting.

As shown in http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/ - large dictionary of UK slang and colloquialismshttp://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

It was really dumb of Lutty to hire a photographer. Maybe he wanted a way to make the trail lead back to him and he thought he'd win if the case went to court (lot's of publicity) and he'd have made his point. Hell of a gamble if he did.

[Arkangel]

Hard to believe he would trust a stranger for something like this, maybe it was the same photographer that did his wedding pictures and he got like a discounted rate for both jobs.

Anyway Anthony, interesting to see your little single shot. Easy to break down and conceal. I'm assuming you tested it it, and wonder what sort of accuaracy you achieved. Also, with this type of device I'd be worried about barrel life, any thoughts on how many rounds you'd be happy to put through it?

.22 is a lot easier to get hold of in the UK than any centrefire stuff, and a machinegun based around that would be interesting. I saw somewhere a working scale model of a vickers gun that used beltfed .22LR in a cloth belt.

Of course with a single shot .22 you run the risk of simply irritating the target, so maybe something a little bigger would be better. The US Army "improvised warfare devices and techniques" handbook has some interesting stuff in it, especially vietcong weapons. In a dream, now let me see, erm yes, nineteen years ago, I built what was intended as a reloadable thunderflash/grenade simulator for FIBUA training. It fired the 12 guage blackpowder blanks that are used by gamekeeper tripwires. It was lathe built from two pieces of steel, had a locking breech and central firing pin with a safety pin slot and trigger made from a bit of old hacksaw. It worked a treat, but it hadn't really occurred to me that with a shotgun shell it was a heavy duty zip gun and some very angry and not at all understanding people removed it from me a couple of years later http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/frown.gif However, if I had anything like this in mind for real, I'd sure as hell prefer a 12 guage or maybe even .410 to a short barrell .22 :D

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[SawedOff8gaugeman]

Similar devices usually stay in usable condition for at least a few hundred rounds(=enough), VERY shoddy guns a few dozen rounds(=enough).

[nbk2000]

A gatling gun isn't a complicated mechanism. Much easier to build than a vickers or maxim.

Add an electric motor, neglegible recoil, several thousand rounds per minute, and you've got a .22 man reaping scyth!

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[twinkle]

cal .410 is not a good choice as making a "zip" gun of it ,the pressure build up by this shells is very high so you need very good quality steel as a barrel and precise working then you better keep it by the 12 gauge shell ,there was said that a .22 is not realy a thread but looking into the barrel of a gun is never a nice idea (believe me )even of a .22lr

[Anthony]

I did indeed test (play) with it. Accuracy: N/Ahttp://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif I drilled the barrel with a cordless hand drill so it wasn't very straight (about 2mm off centre at the muzzle).

Considering that the walls of the barrel are as thick as the bore, I'd put no limit on number of rounds to fire. Although parts of the firing mechanism may fall apart after heavy use. Catastrophic failure would be very unlikely.

I really didn't make it for any purpose, just to see how easy it would be.

I'm interested in what happened over you being caught with the 12bore zip, that's if the police were involved?

A .22 gattling would be great! Imagine the amount of ammo you could carry... A .22 isn't a nasty round but 10 in a small area should do the job!

[Arkangel]

.22 gatling gun! :D What a concept, even a cubscout could play at being arnie, and you sure could carry a packet of ammo.

As I mentioned, I'd dreamt of building my 12 guage device (never intended as a zip, just a reloadable grenade for training purposes - 12 guage bp blanks $0.10 each - Thunderflashes $5.0 each) whilst in a cadet unit. Ended up taking it with me to the hooaah's and made the mistake of leaving it somewhere stupid. Was doing the responsible thing I thought by letting my boss know, but the shit hit the fan and I met a bunch of very unfriendly military piggies. I'm convinced the fuckers are still playing with it somewhere - hope one of 'em lost an appendage.

I take the point about higher pressure of something like a .410, (did you also mean that a .410 would be higher pressure than a 12 guage?) but since we're talking about a barrel of less than 5 inches, will it ever reach the peak pressure that the load can produce. I don't see that a .410 zip would be substantially harder to build or conceal than a .22, I'd have thought that a bigger problem would be dealing with the recoil from an essentially ergonomically fucked device. When all said and done, something like this would be far more effective with a buckshot round than a single .22 projectile. Read "Blackhawk Down" about the US debacle in Somalia if you want and advert for higher calibre or expanding ammunition.

Whatever the barrel, I never want to look down it Twinkle, you're right!!!!!

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[Arkangel]

Just to clarify Anthony, it never made it to the civ police, or even formal military. No, I simply became the single most popular guy on the unit overnight by picking up every shitty duty going for the next decade.

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[stiler]

.22 gatling blueprints are avail from a web site i looked at a while back. after some correspondence with the owner of the site and some samples of his work he seemed to know his stuff and have good products. it is going way past "zip gun" stage but is great reading material. the pics already posted look simple and affective to me for a quicky purpose, but if anyone wants the url for gatling (and many others) let me know and i can dig it up again http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif as for easy barrels i found a scrap bin at a machinist which had offcuts of 4140 in varied dia/length which had great cone shape centres cut in a few mm depth from the lathe, they made drilling 5.5 holes easy and dead straight. i havent looked very far but i wouldnt mind finding a set of drawings for a single shot pistol which was used during ww2 by the resistance in Europe called "the welrod" chambered in 7.65 it broke down into 2 sections and would be concealed in ones sock with a 12"silencer integral to barrel and was apparently much better than the model before which holds the record of being the only gun in history that took longer to load than to manufacture! the idea was to make a piece of shit that you would only pick up if you didnt have a "real gun" but could kill an enemy with it and then take his. go figure

[FragmentedSanity]

Lo all :)

it sounds like your talking about the "liberator" pistol - a personal favorite. the entire conept appeals to me. And they were of such a simple design that they can be easily improvised. Miind you Id like some detailed pics of the welrod too - they always just looked mean.

As for the debate over caliber preferances - I personally wouldnt bother with the .410 when a 12 guage would be more effective in an improvised piece. A .45 (ala the liberator) would of course be nice as it will make more noise (shock and fear can be your friend) and put bigger holes in peop... I mean tin cans.
But I still hold with the theory that if you cant kill something with a .22 you shouldnt be shooting at it. .22 bullets are cheap and easy to get, and if you want more stopping power from it flatten the tip and expand the hollow point - most impro pieces have shitty accuracy anyway. But better than that is that if you can make a piece with one barrel its not much harder at all to make one with a cluster of them that all fire at once or with the option of a second burst.
in reality an impro pistol is only any good to about 10-20 feet anyway and 5 or 10 .22 at that range is going to ruin anyones day.
personally I think the best config is two groups of three clustered barrels arranged so that each group has a seperate hammer. giving you a followup shot if need be, and the likleyhood of getting a dud bullet in each barrel is minimal.

enough of that tho - Im drooliong at the idea of .22 gatling shematics - so any info would be greatly appreciated.

later all
FS

[stiler]

ok FragmentedSanity the url and for anyone else it took a quick search to find it again "new hard drive no bookmarks again blah blah" but ask and ye shall receive. http://www.jkcruise.com/index.html
like i said in my prev post we shared a few emails and i formed a personal opinion that the bloke was quite talented and a very helpfull individual http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/cool.gif he answered my questions and sent samples of pro cad re-draws IIRC drafted when available from original military blueprints. why am i so happy to promote his site? (feel free to send me commish MR cruise http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/tongue.gif lol when i've never spent a penny buying his seemingly excellent work? long story but in a nut shell i was impressed enough to order and post off for several models, and felt pretty scammed when the mail came back address unknown ATT!!(NO MONEY WAS CHARGED)!! the cheque came back as was sent. bummer no prints ill ask later what the prob was, weeks end up going by yada yada. well it was totally my screw up i own a small business and run envelopes through the printer with our logos/details etc and guess which wally copy pasted a completely irrelevant piece of info for the address? you guessed it "mwa" i can assume it just went with normal outgoing garb un noticed. that was almost this time last year im hoping to get back around to it one day soon http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif he prob wouldnt remember me or the missing order by now but who knows? ok now to find the welrod
cheers

[stiler]

the welrod i personally would not say falls into the bracket of being an "improvised weapon" for obvious reasons. also i was happy to find more info about it and some better pics than i have in a couple of books. well have a squiz for yourself http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Single-Shot-Pistols/Welrod.htm
well thats the good news, the bad news is it is still a clasified weapon so it may be hard to find much in the way of "usable specs" http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/frown.gif but hey if i was looking for a single shot home made weapon which is somewhat tried and tested this is the one that would really get my brain itching!http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif ok class for todays task lets reinvent the wheel and see who can come up with the best set of drawings after reverse enginering the welrod from current info. best set of plans gets a cookie

[zaibatsu]

I found this link http://home.earthlink.net/~notpurfect/the22.html by using the name the pistol (welrod) is given in one of my books "Rifles and pistols" and it is called the Wellrod, in here is says it was produced in .32, 7.65mm as well as 9mm, and it was a bolt action single shot. However, from the above link I found this:

The only offensive use of the .22 rimfire, in a military roll, is in the silenced pistol. These pistols, beginning with the splendid Wellrod, of the Second World War, can be remarkably quiet. The Wellrod was a single shot pistol, with a silencer integrated into the barrel. The Wellrods were primarily for special operations, and tended to be used for assassination, or for sentry removal.

I guess (from the pictures) that you pull back the knob at the back of the gun to cock it, and this also ejects a spent cartridge, like if you cycled a semi auto by hand (I think, I've never done this before). Someone (sorry, can't remember who) designed a single shot shotgun that operated on pulling a knob at the back, maybe you could look at this, and go on from there. Oh, and it was supposedly manufactured by Welwyn Garden.

Oh, just doing a little search while I did this

Again, all officers were introduced to and given practical training in such as the Welrod (a silent pistol firing 7.65mm ammunition, but of such puny velocity that its only value lay in killing at extremely close range)

Taken from this page http://freespace.virgin.net/arthur.brown2/short%20history.htm

I hope this helps you to find out some details (note: on this webpage it calls it the welrod pistol, not the wellrod, confusing eh?)

Some more pages you may find slightly useful
http://www.geocities.com/~cthulhu_666/wodequip1.html (A welrod pistol in .45?)
http://www.rennet.org/cyber/polar/liste.htm
http://www.wingevapen.no/vapkjop.htm

Basically follow this link to find loads of links to sites, not sure how much is just info rechurned.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=welrod

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[Charlie Workman]

The welord was only produced in 2 calibers- .32acp and 9mm para. The .45 gun never existed (as far as anyone has been able to find out). Each was a different gun, though they operated in the same manner. Both were simple bolt action repeaters. I was never fond of the 9mm, too long and ungainly, but the .32 was sweet. I've often thought a good modern(?)day replacement would be a silenced nagant revolver. Heavier bullet, higher velocity, and faster rate of fire. Only the captive piston guns would have it beat, at least in the concealablity department.

[Arkangel]

Just had a look at a Nagant on the web and the seal sounds useful. I used to have an 8 round .22 snub nose revolver (sorry about deviating from the thread a little here) that used to just piss the gas out the sides, and I'm curious how the nagant seals effectively. (I was most annoyed because it wouldn't ignite the .22 tracer I'd bought)

It would be interesting to know how much forensic residue would be left on your hand (glove) by a nagant.

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[HMTD Factory]

The Nagant revolver seals gas with special setup in the cylinder and cartridge.

http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/nagrev.htm

[nbk2000]

I was in the grocery store earlier today and saw this "gun" that had plastic cartridges that shoot out confetti or ribbons.

I copied the patent number (5423265) and checked it out at the USPTO site. It's a plastic shell with a nipple in the center, over which is placed a red plastic percussion cap of the kind used in cap guns.

Well, this naturally brought to mind what I've read about the original gatling gun which used an exactly similar arrangement.

Anyways, these things are perfect ready made shells for loading with a powder charge and bullet. It's a .30 caliber size (didn't get to measure it) and looks like a 1/4" steel slingshot ammo bearing would fit perfectly. The shell, if loaded with a plastic or glass bullet, would pass through a metal detector easily.

The "gun" it's made for is useless for adaptation.

The cost was 10 shells for $1.50. Look for them! They probably won't be around long because some kid (maybe someone here?) will turn these into weapons and get them recalled.

Anyways, I also thought that (listen to this anthony) that by adding a little extra propellant, you could replace the confetti with tear gas powder to shoot someone in the face with it.

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[Anthony]

Duly noted, I'll keep an eye out for them.

[J]

I used to have one of these. More fun than party poppers!

J

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[MacCleod]

They sell those at Phantom fireworks stores also.

[vehemt]

Used to shoot glass marbles out of those.

A single toy cap was able to lob a marble rather far.

[twinkle]

NBK you said you looked up the patent number,
I know that there are very nice patents of single shot falling actions like this number
http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=US06233860__first it was free and I have downloaded several nice things but nowadays it is not free anymore and you have to pay so can you tell me how you look these things up ?

falling block actions are nice they are very strong and are easier to make then a bolt action gun .

(Go to http://164.195.100.11/netahtml/search-bool.html NBK2000)

[This message has been edited by nbk2000 (edited December 23, 2001).]
thank nbk2000 I see the pages now but how do I save them ? it don't work when I click the right mouse button

[This message has been edited by twinkle (edited December 23, 2001).]

[zaibatsu]

Anthony, here a link to a site that sells the confetti gun, it may be interesting to buy one... Here's the confetti gun (http://www.confetti.co.uk/shopping/newshop/productview.asp?cat=94&id=W70017&Start=4) its £4, and reloads are £1 for ten, the gun already comes with 15.

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[vehemt]

Thats the same confetti gun I used to play with, they cost 1$CDN with 2 or 3 shells and an additional pack of 10 shells cost 1$CDN.

[Madog555]

<a href="http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-adv.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&S1=6233860.WKU.&OS=PN/6233860&RS=PN/6233860">here</a> is the patent for the single shot falling action

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[Anthony]

Thanks for the link Zaibatsu:)

[twinkle]

here are some other gun patents but you must look to them with the address NBK2000 gave
http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=US05095643__
http://www.delphion.com/details?&pn10=US04268987
http://www.delphion.com/details?&pn=US04644930__
http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=US05105569__
http://www.delphion.com/details?&pn=US05782025__
http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=US05659992__
http://www.delphion.com/details?&pn10=US04424638
http://www.delphion.com/cgi-bin/viewpat.cmd/US04709617__

[nbk2000]

Be careful where you point the gun at or you could end up like this guy.

http://www.lambobuilder.com/noguns.html

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[Bitter]

Picking up a loaded shotgun by the trigger is never a particularly good idea, let alone leaving it loaded in the first place. What an idiot.

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[Riot]

All this talk about building guns, no offence if u are building them as a hobby or its fun but i would just buy one.
I got a friend in zim who could get me a shotgun for about 1/3 pound 1/2 dollor.
And as for getting it accross the border, i smuggled a bbgun shotgun accross last time i went.

[Anthony]

£0.50 for a shotgun? Are dealers doing that as a special offer when you buy half a pound of crack now?

"i smuggled a bbgun shotgun" - woah! You could have run the risk of that getting confiscated!

[nbk2000]

"BB shotgun"?

Is that the air-soft version?

I don't think border guards are looking for 13 year olds smuggling BB guns. Now if it was a kilo of heroin or a crate of AK-47s you'd have something to brag about.

Though, if by "zim" you meant zimbabwe, then the assertion of a gun for a few bucks is believable. War-torn 3rd world countries are often awash with more guns than money to buy food. In liberia you can buy an AK-47 for $10.

BTW, what's it like to live in a country full of niggers? That must really suck bigtime mangy cat scrotum.

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[zaibatsu]

I was reading in some paper that in a country in SA (maybe cambodia?) the military will let you use some of their weapons for a price (grenades were $20, I can't remember the rest) and, if you want, you can fire at a large live target like a cow, for $300. Imagine this conversation:

Friend One: What did you do on holiday? I went round a few ancient markets.

Friend Two: I blew up a cow.

[Riot]

Im not saying smuggling a bbgun shotgun is big but it could of been an ak-47 or a kilo of heroin, they wouldn't of found either. U just drive straight through, no checking car or anything. And also ur right the gaurds arn't looking for a 15 year old with an Ak-47 so it works to my advantage.

Cambodia is actually in Asia, my dad went there and u are allowed to shoot the armies guns. Cows i don't know

(Just for the record my country is F***ing SHIT!!!!!!! the kaffas (ka-fas) as we call them here are everyware u look and they all f****ing stink. They drive shit cars blasting their shit music and genrally make South Africa "suck bigtime mangy cat scrotum")

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[Bitter]

Is Mugabe still in power in Rhodesia ? Has he given up killing white farmers yet ? I notice the UN had done fuck all about it so far (had it been whites killing black farmers, the UN would have gone bezerk).

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[Riot]

(sorry for taking long i've bin away)

Yep Mugabe is still in zim, he's still milking the country for all its worth. He has given up kiling the farmers, but now that most of the farms have been taken over there are food shortages there and the counrty is now starving. My friend who lives there says u can't even buy sugar anymore.

As for killing, it works the same here(SA). A black kills a white, no big deal it happens all the time. A white kills a black, it's all in the newspapers, racist crime, hate crime, apartheid, all that shit.

[Bitter]

Yeah and no doubt when the famines start to get serious, the stupid UN will come running to the rescue (and Blair will probably be with them) to prop up yet another communist dictatorship. I don't know; with all this UN silence over the Taliban's attack on the US and over the events in Rhodesia, anyone would have thought that the UN was part of some communist plot to take over the world...

But where would anyone get a silly idea like that ? :D

[Noct]

Holy shit.

$10 for an AK-47

$0.50 for a shotgun

I never would have guessed the prices were that low! Even in countries like that!

[Riot]

Well me friend told me a story(a true one)

This guy goes to rob these old people, he has a gun(pistil). He is holding the people up. The old guy says can i buy the gun. The robber says ok but nothing less than 40 dollars/+- R3.50/ $.35 US.
So when the old guy has the gun he holds the robber up and says piss off and calls the cops.

But the prices are probally even lower.

Also the people who sell flowers on the side of the road also sell drugs.(cheap as well)
U can get everything u need there :)

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[Xtramad]

Thank God the forum is back!
Some questions went unanswered in this discussion which I feel I can shed a little light on.
First of all, the welrod is a bolt action pistol functioning in the same way as any single shot bolt action rifle, the knob at the rear is twisted 90 degrees to unlock the two locking lugs, then pulled backwards to extract and eject the spent cartridge, the small notch in the cocking knob is an index mark to show when the bolt is in closed position. When the bolt is pushed forward the firing pin is cocked.
<a href="http://elek.osemka.p.lodz.pl/~robertog/graphics/welrod.jpg" target="_blank">Welrod pistol</a>
Second, THe Nagant revolver uses special cartridges where the bullet is seated flush with the mouth of the cartridge,<a href="http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/4064/gunimages/M1895Nagant/M1895ManCart.jpg" target="_blank">Nagant Cartridge</a>
when the hammer is cocked the cylinder moves forward to encase the rear end of the barrel and the cartridge case forms the gas tight seal. <a href="http://www.kmike.com/KWjpg/nagrev1.jpg" target="_blank">Nagant revolver</a>


And one question: What excatly is a zip gun? The definition given in dictionaries seems quite lose and would cover just about any homemade pistol in any caliber, size and form.

[FragmentedSanity]

mmm Welrods...

but yeah - you got the right definition - a zip gun is basically any kind of homemade pistol - of varying calibers and shapes and sizes, only slightly less sufficticated than a "saturday night special"
Zip Guns do seem to all follow the same basic design tho and characteristically use a blunted nail as a firing pin and a bent piece of tin with some rubber bands attached as a hammer
the file from Phrack or temple of the screaming retards will give you a fair idea of what a zip gun is (and looking at where the file comes from should tell you all you need to kow about the quality)

bUt I spse its still tru the in gun fight any gun is better than none (providing you gun doest blow up in your face) so if you really cant come up with anything better then make a zip gun (genetic chlorine) >:)

[Xtramad]

I found the Phrack file and it told me more about the quality of the writer than the quality of the gun.
Making a zip gun to shoot rifle rounds just by epoxying together steel and copper pipes of the nearest possible size seems like a suicide attempt. That text file is obviously written by someone who has no knowledge whatsoever of guns.
However, I just wanted to know if the 9mm I'm "Theoretically" making fits the definition.

[tiac03]

Pre US invasion you used to be able to buy an AK for 30-50$ and grenades for 50 cents a piece. (from time magazine, before the last afghan war.

As for the welrod, all i can say is I wish there were detailed diagrams to how it works out there. (this forum was my last hope of finding info on it.)

[Anders]

Try looking at this site.
Some nice diagrams of the welrod.
http://www.timelapse.dk/Welrod/uk/

[guerrero]

The recommendation to buy a weapon instead of fabricate a less efective one is good. I agree. If it is possible, well it´s fine. But is it so easy in all parts of the world? And the other question is: If it is possible now, will it be possible Tomorow as well? It´s better to know a strategy for situations without this possibility, isn´t it?

[Skean Dhu]

Well from what I've read its would seem that buyng an AK is easier than buying the plumbing parts to make some inaccurate single shot zip gun. I think most of the people here are just making zip guns to prove to themselves that they can, or they got tired of plinking at tin cans with their red ryder BB gun and wanted to step it up a notch

[Hobbit Porn]

It might be easier to get an AK then assemble something else in someplaces.. however, places like Australia and England especially, where there are very strict, tight-ass gun laws, the latter is probably more true.

but I agree with you when you say most people who make them just do so to prove to themselves they can. I know thats why I do more then half the pointless shit I do :)

-H.Porn

[raptor1956]

Luty does plans for a handy little .22 on his website. Also for a single shot 12g pistol

[Third_Rail]

Thanks Raptor, I didn't know that it had been updated in a long while.

Looks like I have even more things to do in machine shop. I love the fact that I can legally build semi-auto, single shot, etc. rifles here in USA.

[Third_Rail]

My new single-shot pistol is coming along nicely, I should have pictures by Wednesday. I decided to do away with an external hammer and instead go for an open bolt slamfire, since it's only .22lr.

So far I have a trigger, sear, the barrel, the receiver tube, the bolt, and the springs together. It's a matter of cutting a slot for the trigger, for the bolt, and fitting things together.

I'll be posting pictures when I'm finished, whether that be on Wednesday or later.

[goodwinone]

Nice idea.
http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=singleshotpistol22lric0.jpg

[iHME]

I originally thought that I could use a similar action in my pistol (still under construction, I need to get a second vice and some inserts for it) but now I have opted to make it bolt action with a self-cocking hammer. Mayebe in the future I'll add a magazine to it.

[kaiserbill]

Hi Guys

I know that this is a relative blast from the past, but since the forum was reorganised into the new various sub-themes, I've decided to include the project described below. I basically wrote the information below originally to fellow forumite Killy as a PM, but I hope it adequately describes my first attempt at gunsmithing. The end product was a perfectly servicable shotgun. Although I do not have plans for it, it was a single shotgun design that was very easy to construct.

The shotgun was a single shot. It was quite basic. I shaped a wooden stock onto which I attached a pipe with a slot cut down the middle which then turned 90degrees near the end (receiver). Into this I slid a standard water pipe (barrel) suitable for a 12 gauge shell. The fit was perfect.On either end of the barrel, as I cut it to the correct length, I left a small piece that I then bent at a 90 degree angle to the barrel. This doubled as a basic front sight on one end, and a basic locking nib on the other end. you loaded the shell into whatever end you chose, then pushed the barrel with the sight/lock all the way down the slot to the end, then turned it 90 degrees to lock. the turning to lock moved the front sight from9 o'clock to the correct 12 o'clock position.

I constructed a basic trigger mechanism from the various sources on the net. Once loaded, the hammer was pulled back until cocked, then the trigger was pulled.

To reload, the reverse procedure was done, that is, the barrel turned 90 degrees, slid forward. You could even leave the previous expended shotgun shell in the barrel and use the other side loaded with a fresh cartridge. So in effect, both ends of the barrel were also chambers with their seperate sights/locking nib.
The firing of the following cartridge would easily expel the fired cartridge in the other side. Rates of fire with this methodology I achieved were about 10 rounds a minute.

The above project is obviously primitive, but was designed to teach myself a few things. I put about 50 rounds through her before destroying her. I should have a photo of her somewhere to send if I can find it. I chose a shotgun as I believe it is the firearm most easily constructed due to low pressures, and ease of materiels use. I was intending then to manufature a break-open double barrelled shotgun as a more advanced project, but recently have been looking at the Luty machine pistol designs rather.

[shady mutha]

If you have the round you should have no trouble making a basic gun.

I have made many a dodgy 12g. All you need is a pipe that fits the round and a hammer anything more is up to your imagination.

What ever works is order of the day. Often I have plenty read plans for this and that, unable to aquire the exact parts I just make my own version. Improvise the best you can.

Homemade guns are really rewarding to make and you never forget how, its like riding a bike.

[amsci99]

Here's a link for the de hass book which was mentioned earlier in the thread.

http://www.zshare.net/download/1632135915987649/

[amsci99]

Received PM that link does not work. I have uploaded it to Rapidshare.
http://rapidshare.com/files/134395836/Fred_de_Hass.pdf.html

[kaiserbill]

Many thanks amsci99. That is certainly appreciated.