What NOT To Do [Archive] - The Explosives and Weapons Forum

Rbick

June 17th, 2008, 10:52 AM

I found a couple videos of people killing themselves or hurting themselves. While they are hilarious in a sense, I think its good for people here to see what happens if you don't treat pyrotechnics and explosives with the RESPECT they deserve. Of course I would like to see other videos that people have found. I also know how people like to watch videos of people getting fucked up, so this makes a place where it is easy to find videos of that nature.

If you don't have videos, typing out a description of an accident you had or something you saw would be great too. I have yet to hurt myself, and plan on never doing so by being safe. The worse I have done was almost got blown up by ANFO after I started a field on fire and I dropped a bottle of 98% SA on my basement floor. Wife wasn't too happy about that one...

The top video was taken in Iraq of some insurgents planting an IED. You can see towards the end of the video that the guy starts tugging on the charge in an attempt to move it, or something. You can guess what happens next.

This video (http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u6/pudgedog69/?action=view&current=Jihadist_Trainees.flv) is my favorite
Stupid terrorist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM595QX5iV4&feature=related)
AP accident, ouch... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtdtvsngxbY)
Dumb ass... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?amp=&feature=related&v=_rX0bL-TGuQ)

The_Duke

June 17th, 2008, 08:35 PM

There are already a few threads just like this one. If I have time later I'll merge this one with one of them.

Kaydon

June 17th, 2008, 10:43 PM

I don't have the link but if you want something seriously sick.. Watch the BME Pain Olympics video.. that involves a hatchet and someone's manhood. I suppose you could categorize it under what not to do with a tool.

It's been around a lot, but there's also the Iraqi that fires a rifle and the recoil sets him on his ass.

sbovisjb1

June 18th, 2008, 01:21 AM

There is a lot of disgusting shock material out there. I was at a get-together in the country a while back and 3/4 of the people for a time discussed all the shock sites they know and have seen (what else can they do:rolleyes:) They showed everyone a video of a horse (called 2 guys 1 horse) doing God knows what to a mans backside. To say the least the man crumpled and apparently died at a later date.

ChippedHammer

June 18th, 2008, 07:16 AM

Yes, poor Mr Hands got more than he bargained for when he 'approached' that hoarse :)

Rbick

June 18th, 2008, 09:23 AM

Yeah wasn't something like that on the news? The guy died from a ruptured rectum after getting "f'ed" in the "a" by a horse. What a way to go... What would you say at the funeral if you were his wife or something? Awkward...

I found this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8tprAIQFCE) on youtube. Couldn't you find a better way to kill yourself? Its a good example of what not to do.

ChippedHammer

June 18th, 2008, 09:40 AM

Earth is a bitch when your on 30,000 odd volts of potential :)

NUKE(slo)

June 20th, 2008, 04:53 PM

Emil

June 23rd, 2008, 01:44 PM

They skipped off into the sunset and lived happily ever after :confused::D

On a serious note though, there is some very deep effects of watching/reading/viewing the accident related media. It is by far one of the biggest reality checks you will come across and really puts you in perspective of the nature of things we deal with. It makes you feel kind of weird knowing that one little mistake and you could be in serious trouble, just from the innocent appareance of a powder/liquid. At the same time, it does really prepare you for the handling of these sorts of things. It is safe to say that one goes into an automatic safe mode when handling with the chemicals, as it almost becomes a second nature.

I do like viewing the shock material from time to time, but also hate it just as much. It really shouldn't put you off of the hobby, but just make you think more. Given respect, we are dealing with a relitivley safe game. Personal safety measures play a BIG part, along with the ever so more rare common sense. Put it this way, more people will be killed from a simple object like a knife, than explosives will ever kill.. just as long as a nuclear war doesn't break out ;)

Nickth3great

June 30th, 2008, 02:03 AM

Here's an example of what NOT to do with AP:

Few years ago I detected some pretty interesting story in the newspaper at the time of the New Year.

Two teenagers were hammering IIRC few kilograms (yes your vision is correct) of acetone peroxide into metal pipes...

I guess you can all predict the result of this extreme stupidity. :rolleyes:

To me that 'almost' seems too stupid and sounds too much like an urban ledgend to be true. Most people conduct a small hammer test after making AP for the first time and I don't see how anyone, after conducting such a test, could do something so stupid as to try to force a large amount of AP into a pipe with a hammer.

Thankfully, I've never had a serious accident with any explosives or their chemical precursors. I have had 1 close call over the past 5 or so years since I started this hobby. It involved a flash charge of about 1oz that had a fuse that burned faster then I had expected. Fortunately, all that I received from this close call was a slight ringing in my ears that lasted a few minutes. The first time I synthesized some HMTD I did a hammer test with a very small amount and found it was quite a bit louder then AP. Once again, all I had to suffer though was a couple of minutes of ringing in my ear. I did suffer a very painful cut once making improvised electronic detonators from steel wool, it seems one should only try to use steel wool in this manner when wearing really tough work gloves. Hopefully I never fall victim to a major mishap, my biggest fear is LEO, rats, and chemical fumes. I do use a gas mask when dealing with any kind of acids or liquid oxidizers, but having suffered from a spontaneous pneumothorax not too long ago, hazardous fumes still trouble my thoughts. (for any of you that smoke, you might wanna consider quiting hint hint)

ChippedHammer

June 30th, 2008, 02:42 AM

Don't underestimate stupidity, remember that kid who made piles of AP and had them drying under heat lamps? He turned himself into a pink cloud.

And ditto the steel wool, never try to pull it apart with bare hands!

Mr Science

June 30th, 2008, 03:51 AM

Don't underestimate stupidity, remember that kid who made piles of AP and had them drying under heat lamps? He turned himself into a pink cloud.

http://roguesci.org/theforum/showthread.php?p=50849#post50849

Here is the post/thread for any who are curious.

Alexires

June 30th, 2008, 04:31 AM

Phone always makes me cringe. Seriously, how stupid can you be?

Then again, I've seen a video of a dude that sticks a firecracker between his teeth. :D Hell dude, if you need to have teeth removed, go to a dentist or something....

Chipped Hammer - Bet the drug fucked idiot had a rush like never before. :rolleyes:

Rbick

June 30th, 2008, 09:55 AM

Yeah, the phone incident makes me cringe too, and pisses me off. That was the first time I've read his last post. He was warned several times NOT to do what he was doing. Doing k3wl things will result in dying a k3wl death. Granted, he was only 15 BUT if you think you are old enough to be involved in this hobby, you should be old enough to treat dangerous shit with respect.

Between his teeth? Are you serious? Do you have a link to the video? :D

ChippedHammer

June 30th, 2008, 11:36 AM

Found these on Youtube

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ga0qLYktxIc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EtfNPMZUgHw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=X15v6D2jk6A (looks to be the worst)

Kaydon

June 30th, 2008, 03:37 PM

I don't have the link.. but anyone remember that kid that stuck a blasting cap in his mouth, and bit down? Blew his teeth into his brain or something. Idiocy.

Rbick

June 30th, 2008, 05:17 PM

Kaydon: We actually looked at that in EMT class. It has actually happened to a few people, by accident in most cases. What happened in one of the situations was the guy was in the military and was rigging a charge for demo purposes. He stuck it in his mouth so he could use both hands before inserting the cap. BOOM! It blew his face off, literally. Nose, teeth, and mouth gone. He was able to breath out of the hole created in his face, as his trachea was still in tact to just above the epiglottis. Needless to say, he needed massive re constructive surgery, but turned out ok. Had a bit more luck than the guy who got his teeth implanted in his brain :p I'll see if I can't find some pics.

Chipperhammer: Thanks for the links :cool:

Barnacles

June 30th, 2008, 06:08 PM

How about this total redneck loser who shoots himself in the head with a flare gun for fun from point blank. Man is stupidity ever ominpresent in this world.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=drOnHOid5qA

For some reason it made me think of this guy who made a post here a while ago, totally unrelated, but it highlights how dumb some people can be. The guy wanted acetylene, he goes to the hardware store and finds a bottle of MAPP. He wants acetlyene and reads a label that says " methy acetylene propadiene stablized" and somehow thinks its a good idea to buy because it is acetylene:rolleyes:

You would think someone who wants to get into energetics and chemistry would have a bit more common sense than to think because it contains the word acetylene it must be the gas he is looking for. and he actually bought the bottle!!!. man I was actually stunned when I read this, I was like wtf are people thinking when they do stuff like this. I hope I don't get in trouble for being slightly offensive here. But I was dumbfounded when i read this.

Link to the post
http://www.roguesci.org/theforum/showpost.php?p=35759&postcount=89

Charles Owlen Picket

June 30th, 2008, 06:23 PM

Just after the Vietnam conflict there were a series of "studies" done with prior inductees and those who volunteered. These studies are very reveling. Young men who are combat bound (11B) were asked what made them afraid. Most responded (in a written anonymous format) that getting killed was NOT #1 on the list. Pain suffering and continued disability / deformity took the first place ticket.

I have found that when someone mentions something "asinine beyond belief" on this Forum; if they are answered with the possibility of loosing body parts, etc.....that has an enormous impact. Energetic materials, whether they be electrical energy mechanical/kinetic, or chemical have a self-correcting mechanism, in that when one actually KNOWS that they may have to learn to type or masturbate with the other hand or that they may not be able to masturbate with a stump very well at all; that has a profound affect on their circumspection regarding this pastime.....

I searched for the thread about everyone's worst accident but could not find it.....It had some very apt lessons learned.

Rbick

July 1st, 2008, 09:36 AM

Charles, I looked for that thread too, and couldn't find it. That is the reason I started this one. Do you think it got deleted?

I added that flare gun video to my youtube favorites. The man is obviously drunk and a dumb ass, never a good combination.

I think I may have saved someones life. Scanning through youtube, I found a 300g AP pipe bomb video. 300g is crazy, but in a pipe bomb is just ridiculous. The guy also mentioned that he was planning on making a 1kg AP charge in his info! The "Phone" incident popped into my head and I quickly sent him a PM. Due to several of his youtube buddies nagging him on with comments like "d00d that wuz fuking sweeet! Yeah make a 1kg one! that w00d be 1337!", I thought my efforts would be in vain.

I explained how dangerous AP is and what happened to our friend Phone. I made sure to go into detail that his buddies watched him get turned into a pink mist right before their eyes and how silly making that much AP is. I explained this to him kindly and without hostility. Today he PMed me thanking me for my advice and decided NOT to make the 1kg charge. I told him I would be sending him some information so he could practice energetics safely.

So while he is a n00b, at least he won't be a dead one. Everyone has to start out somewhere, but its up to people like us to make sure they don't blow themselves up, which only brings more attention to us. So anyway, I'm gonna start of list of "n00bs lives saved" and see how many I can get ;)

Heres a cool video of people getting owned. It has good examples of what NOT to do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJaCNwP3nZ8

And heres a cool vid of a deer getting owned. I hate deer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip1ko8HwRpo

Nickth3great

July 2nd, 2008, 01:45 AM

I think I may have saved someones life. Scanning through youtube, I found a 300g AP pipe bomb video. 300g is crazy, but in a pipe bomb is just ridiculous. The guy also mentioned that he was planning on making a 1kg AP charge in his info! The "Phone" incident popped into my head and I quickly sent him a PM. Due to several of his youtube buddies nagging him on with comments like "d00d that wuz fuking sweeet! Yeah make a 1kg one! that w00d be 1337!", I thought my efforts would be in vain.

Oh you've seen that video as well; the one with the kid blowing up a doll with threaded steel pipes full of AP? (I assume that has got to be the one) I also thought what he was doing was insane. There's also a couple of other videos of people engaging in comparably stupid activities. The one with the minikeg with a couple 100grams of HMTD is a good one as well.

Makes me think of a kid that was mentioned here back when I first joined. Apparently the kid had the bright idea of trying to break the world record for most AP manufactured by one person in one day.(or at least it seemed that was his motive) I think the only reward this person can now, properly, receive is the Darwin award. If I'm not mistaken most of this kids house ended up being leveled, and I'm sure what remained of him helped feed some biological hazard cleanup specialists family. Anyway I forget just how much of the stuff he was producing, but I heard he had numerous gallon jugs of acid and h202 around his house for his project.

ChippedHammer

July 2nd, 2008, 04:16 AM

I know the one, where he rolls the thing around in his hand.

300g of AP in a pipe is just insane, no other words for it.

Charles Owlen Picket

July 2nd, 2008, 10:08 AM

I deeply believe that when someone speaks to moderation and explains why...they may actually save a life. Energetic materials is actually NOT is a small population hobby. But the percentage of people who REALLY study, read, experiment, record and approach it from a near professional perspective is a very rare thing.

Because of both legal and social issues, this is something done privately and generally, in rather sublime moderation. Kids do some seriously stupid crap, but it's actually NOT kids that have been some of the deeper hobbyists. And the the serious fellows don't cause a fuss because they have figured out how to experiment safely and quietly.

Quite a long time ago, you could go to a PGII convention and meet people who were into energetics via "code wording" like "bursting charge alteration", etc. But now it's just too much of a chance that you'll get a nut-fuck & get in trouble; especially at Gun Shows. If there is ONE PLACE NEVER to share one's interest, it's there. In fact I've pretty much completely stopped going to those things. If it's not some cop wanting to enhance his arrest percentile, it's some whack-job spitting in my ear about secret societies, tin-foil hats, the dollar bill and microchips under his skin.

The only thing under any skin is him under mine.....

Dear Lord, some pray for rain, others pray for Your guidance; I only ask for brain cells for the cell-poor and cell-needy.

NUKE(slo)

July 2nd, 2008, 07:57 PM

Well if you thought 300g is crazy...

The amounts he used raised up almost exponentially.
7grams,150grams,1.5kg

Looks like he's taking a phone's path.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HDEXPqls1U&feature=related

ChippedHammer

July 3rd, 2008, 10:36 AM

With all of the time and money he wasted on making the AP he could have sat down, learnt a thing or two and made something much safer. I would be scared shitless that the weight of all of that AP would cause it to self detonate.

Rbick

July 3rd, 2008, 10:51 AM

Dear lord! 2kg of AP is as wrong as two boys fucking! :eek: Its a lot of AP and it isn't even that powerful (obvious from the video footage), but just enough to really mess up your day.

Poor phone. I wish we had a video of that to show to people. Shock videos are usually enough to scare the shit out of people to stop and think about what they're doing.

Here is another video. The guy was fine, but inches away from a brutal mauling. Do NOT shoot an 800 pound animal point blank, unless you're crazy, or a redneck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BknKR5mOF3U

Kaydon

July 4th, 2008, 01:51 AM

I'm a redneck.

Although, I just would've gone for the head. Hell with trophy huntin', food is all that's of concern.

Zait

July 6th, 2008, 10:02 PM

Few years ago I detected some pretty interesting story in the newspaper at the time of the New Year.

Two teenagers were hammering IIRC few kilograms (yes your vision is correct) of acetone peroxide into metal pipes...

Might you be referring to the incident in Texas City in 2006?

http://news.galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=62af594cdf40c3db

Rbick

July 7th, 2008, 12:54 PM

From the article:
Those same authorities insist he and a friend injured in the blast were not associated with any terrorist group — domestic or otherwise.

That word contradicted TV news reports attributed to unnamed, highly placed federal sources that said the pair might be members of a four-person domestic terrorist group.

Does this surprise anyone? The news will take ANY incident they can and make it seem like terrorism as long as it benefits their liberal, leftist propaganda. "Highly placed federal sources"? I smell bullshit... They obviously made that one up. What the hell is their obsession with the word "Terrorist"? Why don't they call those faggots from PETA or ALF (Animal Liberation Front) Terrorists? They bomb research buildings, steal, lie, threaten peoples' lives, and cheat to further their political agenda. In every sense of the word, they are terrorists! But people who harmlessly study energetics (such as us at the forum here) are automatically labeled "terrorists".

So these kids making explosives for fun, while they did so stupidly, are terrorists, but the people killing our men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan are only "freedom fighters". This world is so fucked up. I want to take a baseball bat to Dan Rather's face.

I love this country, and although I don't always like the decisions our leaders make, I will defend it and our constitution. However, if things continue on the current trend, there won't be much of a country to defend, as everything is becoming so divided. I'll be on the side fighting for our God given rights and the rights promised by our founding fathers in the constitution.

DO NOT: Believe everything the media tells you, but do your own research! This is not to say you can't watch the news, but take it with a grain of salt. See their story, then cross reference and get varying opinions. :cool: Ok, I'll get off the soap box now...