Blueprints for .50BMG - Archive File

[Anthony]

DocPhelps
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posted January 15, 2001 11:02 PM
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Does anyone have any blueprints for the .50BMG. I've seen then on the web for around $120.00 to $175.00 but after material cost that's a little to high for me.
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Mmanwitgun
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posted January 16, 2001 12:37 PM
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If you make a .50 gun, I can give you one peice of advice. Buy the barrel. When you are using something as powerful as that you don't want to fuck around with a homemade barrel.
~Dave


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posted January 16, 2001 01:57 PM
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Boo Hoo...*Sobing*
Know how am I supposed to kill Myself and make it look like an accident.

>;-|>

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DaRkDwArF
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posted January 16, 2001 07:39 PM
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lol, and where the hell do you expect to get half decent non WWII ammo for this thing?


Agent Blak
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posted January 16, 2001 08:26 PM
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Where do you expect to get a .50cal barrel from?
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The First Shall Become last"
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radar
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posted January 16, 2001 08:48 PM
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If you want ammo for it, go to a gun shop, they sell ammo for them, they cost about 40 bucks for 10 rounds though.


DocPhelps
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posted January 16, 2001 10:40 PM
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I bought my barrel from The Gun Parts Corp. out of NY. I paid $132.00 for a .50 cal M2HB. The ammo, I buy from Knob Creek Gun Range in West Point, KY. for $1.25 a round. I can get it in Ball, AP, & APIT. The ammo is also dated between 1974 thru 1994.
I'm working on my own design for the receiver, but the steel material is what I'm having a problem with. One shop said that I need to use 4140 or 4340 tool steel and that Stainless wasn't strong enough. But then again LAR Grizley makes them completly out of Stainless.
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posted January 17, 2001 03:46 PM
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DOC: I want to go the Knob Creek gun/flamethrower/bang show this year. Have you ever been, what is it like.
You can but .50BMG online for $2.50 per round.

I belive NBK has an M2... or am I hallucinaing from those fumes again?

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Agent Blak
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posted January 17, 2001 04:24 PM
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What are "APIT" rounds?

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Smartguy
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posted January 17, 2001 05:08 PM
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Armor Piercing Incendiary Tracer
(at least, I think so..)

Checked Jane's Infantry Weapons:
APIT M20 boat tailed, pointed, steel core, 39.66 g bullet, Vo 888 m/s
is indeed armor piercing incendiary tracer.

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Agent Blak
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posted January 17, 2001 06:20 PM
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Thanx
We don't have A lot of .50cal rifles up here.

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The First Shall Become last"
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DocPhelps
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From: Backwoods, Kentucky
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posted January 17, 2001 08:30 PM
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The Machine Gun shoot at Knob Creek is really something to see. Every kind of Semi or Full Auto you can think of is there. Everything from .22cal to 40mm. Flamethrowers, nighttime tracer shoots, blowing up cars with dyamite. You can rent a weapon from the owner, and buy the rounds, and you can fire anything you want to. It's really something to see. The next shoot is from april 5th thru the 8th. If you can make it it will be something you won't forget.
I will be there Saturday & sunday, hope to meet ya'll.

You were right. The APIT is an Armor Pierceing Incenerary Tracer round. It has a tip made of Thermite. When it hits the target the Thermite lights, and with that and the force of impact it drives the solid Tungsten Carbide insert through. It will penetrate 3" of armor plate at 100yds.
Send an e-mail address and I will send you a RealPlayer Clip of the Marine Corps testing different .50cal rounds


smokey
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posted February 07, 2001 02:38 PM
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you may find that the stainless steel used is 440 grade or pehaps better.....have a fat time


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posted February 08, 2001 05:35 PM
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Anyone seen this?
<a href="http://www.birdman.org/products/jaded.htm" target="_blank">http://www.birdman.org/products/jaded.htm</a>
hahaha.


Anthony
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posted February 08, 2001 05:58 PM
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Cool, this site again! I'd lost the URL to it. Check out some of the other stuff they've got! The 300 round Uzi mag is great!


HMTD Factory
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posted February 08, 2001 06:57 PM
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HAHA,
I think jumping off a bridge will kill oneself without spending 28 bucks.
It is guaranteed to fire "one shot" now what is that supposed to mean? I don't even think
the pipe barrel will stand the pressure. Not to mention that the gun is "breechless".
Imagine some kids place their heads right next to the exposed case head trying to align
the "1X scope", what will happen if the cartridge ruptures and sends out white hot jet? If it happened in a firearm it will ruin
the action, bear that in mind.

Where is the 300round uzi mag? I need to see
some magazine designs.


Anthony
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posted February 08, 2001 08:10 PM
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<a href="http://www.birdman.org/productlist.htm" target="_blank">http://www.birdman.org/productlist.htm</a>


vehemt
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posted February 09, 2001 01:35 PM
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The site is a joke, good site though.
The 1x scope is a beautiful piece.


Bitter
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posted February 09, 2001 02:37 PM
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Does anyone here remember when that Birdman guy posted here offering us all a discount on that KeWl gun of his ?


vehemt
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posted February 09, 2001 03:34 PM
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Hahaha, we shouldnt have flamed him away, damnit.
My airsoft glock 17 needs some homeboy night sites.


Birdman
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posted February 14, 2001 01:39 PM
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You didn't "Flame me away". I still loom here every once and a while. I can follow the websites where my pics are physically "linked" via the stats function on my birdman.org website. That's how I found this website (and your thread).
I think someone must have thought I was a genuine "serious business" and jumped all over me for trying to sell all of my BWS products to fellow posters. I reciprocated with some kind of reply like:

""Fine then! ... because you have failed to recognize my power and authority in the weapons community I will no longer allow any posters on this forum to purchase my products!"

... just to stir it up even more.

Sorry!

This was also meant only in humor. I hope nobody would actually consider taking me seriously. I have too much fun with this BWS stuff to get all pissy and such.

If anyone really DOES get mad at me, then I'll have BWS's East German Engineering Specialists "Hans" come and kick their ass!

I'll check in from time to time. New products (and video clips) coming soon.

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[I_am_the_Black_one]

I have plans for a .50 BMG rifle Id have built it by now if not for the barrel problems Does any one think that a barrel could e made i was thinking of something like this

Ok you have you home made 50 cal barrel coved with fibreglass matting and encased in maybe a few layers of pvc pipe I have a PDF from Crapden Press (Palden press) that states that you can make a Recoilless Rocket launcher out of pvc pipe and fibre glass you simply cover you first pvc pine in fibre glass till it get to the next size up of pipe and cover it with that or cut the pipe and put it over the fibre glass I think this is highly dubious as it uses "cookies" to reduce the recoil

I may start a new thread on Recoilless launchers il go search the Archives

[Anthony]

Don't you think that there'd be a small difference in chamber pressure between an improvised recoiless rocket launcher, and a .50BMG?!

[I_am_the_Black_one]

Originally posted by Anthony
Don't you think that there'd be a small difference in chamber pressure between an improvised recoiless rocket launcher, and a .50BMG?!

No I think you misunderstood me you have your home made barrel Then your fibre glass govering over that you have a pvc pipe or a aluiminum pipe this is for safty so if the pressure is to much for the orignal barrell you dont get ahhh damaged

[Mmanwitgun88]

If you can't buy an old surplus barrel, not sure how I could help. Once you get past that problem you might find this link interesting Homemade 50 (http://action_enterprise.tripod.com/FiftyPro.htm)
~Dave

[HypersonicGamer]

Please don't hurt yourself and buy some proper plans...

[I_am_the_Black_one]

Originally posted by HypersonicGamer
Please don't hurt yourself and buy some proper plans...

I do have proper plans and Id buy a barrel but What THEY dont know can Hurt THEM :D
Although thanks for the concern

[Anthony]

If your piece of thick walled, seamless steel tubing fails, a few wraps of GRP and a PVC pipe won't save you. Better you have tw or more tubes that fit inside on another.

A piece of seamless hydraulic tubing would be best, even the larger diameter sizes are rated for several tens of thousands of PSI.

[HypersonicGamer]

You could use a car axle.

Also, the seamless hydraulic tubing would have to be fairly thick in order to work.

[xyz]

Not really, if it's rated for the pressures stated by Anthony then it should be fine, smokeless powder reaches pressures of about 8000psi IIRC. Plus, the powder used in .50BMG cartridges would probably be a reasonably slow one because of the size of the cartridge.

[zaibatsu]

For someone who can't buy 9mm brass, how do you expect to get the components for .50 BMG rounds? And what kind of protection do you think GRP will give you from a .50? Make the barrel correctly, sleeving smaller diameter tubes to increase the strength may be fine for much smaller calibres, but not for something like a .50BMG. I think the steel usually used for barrels is 4140 (correct me if I'm wrong here), get yourself a piece about 35" long by 1.5" diameter, and bore the correct hole in that. Then you've got to get a chamber reamer etc...

[I_am_the_Black_one]

Ok i thought we had alredy cleared this up 9mm SMG

You can buy .50 cal rounds in aus so its no problem
I was just thinking that the fibre glass pvc covering would show down frags if a rupture ocurred. Il go see if i can buy some hydrolic tubing

If not my grand father has a very large tractor........:D

[HypersonicGamer]

Are you saying 9mm brass for SMGs are different? Or are you saying that you can now put together a fifty after failing to construct an SMG? :confused:

[zaibatsu]

9mm submachine guns fire the 9mm parabellum round. So does the browning high-power (pistol), so does the SIG-Sauer P220 (pistol), so does the Beretta 92F (pistol) so does the CZ75 (pistol) so does the Steyr GB (pistol) so does the.....

The ammunition used in smgs is not in any way different to that used in pistols to my knowledge. Whether it has higher loadings or not I can't say - but that isn't to do with a different cartridge case.

[Anthony]

SMGs run on bog standard pistol ammo, AFAIK.

Actually, Zaibatsu's idea is much better than the hydraulic tubing, you do have a lathe and are a machinest afterall, so it should be no problem.

[xyz]

Something that I have always wondered, where does one find a drill bit that is 35" long so that one can drill out the barrel?

[I_am_the_Black_one]

Hyper sonic STFU!!! I have sevral smgs the run of the mill ammo jams them on me. Thats why i buy military brass and do it that way.....
ID machine the barrel but what I was thinking about was added safty.You cant muck around with a 50 cal cause I know who would win the Fight:D Im on the bolt for it I have for it The rest is done sept the barrel I think il use hydrollic Piping for it. Next problem is making a decent stock altough I could go to the gun store and telling I was making a toy gun for my Lil brother (I dont have one!!) And con a stock that way:D It would be sinthetic tho and need alotta mods to it :rolleyes: OH the joys of making your own firearms covertly

[kingspaz]

I've had enough of this! This is why we used to weed out the shit immidiately. It spares people from having to decypher shit like what is typed above!

Now, for the LAST time will you spell words correctly and put full stops at the end of EVERY sentence.