m16 dimensions? - Archive File

[Anthony]

godjack
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posted February 14, 2001 11:49 PM
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does anybody have the blueprints for an m16 or the plans to convert an ar15 to m16 specs? how much to mill? where to cut, etc..?


The Real
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From: Columbus, OH
Registered: DEC 2000
posted February 15, 2001 12:16 AM
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you don't have to cut anything if you have a pre-ban, post ban I'm not sure. You can purchase drop in full auto parts for AR-15's. <a href="http://www.tapco.com" target="_blank">www.tapco.com</a> or <a href="http://www.cheaperthandirt.com" target="_blank">www.cheaperthandirt.com</a> both used to carry some parts you could probably find the rest at a gunshow. Nothing is NFA until you possess all the parts to make the weapon full auto or have already converted it.


godjack
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Registered: FEB 2001
posted February 22, 2001 12:43 AM
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the sear looks way too wide to possibly fit in an ar15 lower. is it just me?


Metal
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posted February 22, 2001 09:35 AM
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I just uploaded the conversion plans.
Go here: <a href="http://metalsstuff.homestead.com" target="_blank">http://metalsstuff.homestead.com</a>
I would give credit to whoever scanned it in, but I dont remember where I got it.

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[stickfigure]

Three ways to convert an AR-15 are:

1.) Install all M-16 Parts which requires drilling an extra hole above the trigger group for the auto Sear. Drilling jigs are availible and easy to use.

2.) Install all M-16 Parts except auto sear and use a drop-in auto sear. Plans are on the net.

3.) Install a drop-in lightning link that requires no mods. or drilling and can be made out of scrap metal. Although it will were out overtime.

Also it is considered an NFA item if a person only has one part and an AR-15. One year, $10,000 fine, hard to remove but highly reliable. The Lightning link is easy to remove but can become problematic and wear out. But it is easy to get rid of!

Plans are on the net for the lightning link at:
<a href="http://www.impactsites2000.com/site3/ar15upgrade.htm" target="_blank">http://www.impactsites2000.com/site3/ar15upgrade.htm</a>

Some good info about it, has some really good pics!:
<a href="http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/lightninglink.html" target="_blank">http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/lightninglink.html</a>

I think of all the options the link is the cheapest.

[zaibatsu]

I found a very well written document on the "Lightning Link" which I'll upload to the FTP when its back online.

[I_am_the_Black_one]

The other Night I had ahh Perplexing Dream

I dreamed that I lived in Australia and that any gun that dos'nt hav a cork stuffed in the end was illegal I dreamed that i wanted 2 buy a Mill and make a decent Semi/Full Auto gun capable of combat In my dream I thought to make a m11/9 or a Sten But my dream self conceved the problem that they are only close quarters weapons And that i would need Something with more range say a Battle rife I dreamed that i knew some one in the US that was willing to send me used cartidges

Im not sure this is the place to post my *Dream* but any help would be appreciated

[Anthony]

No one will send you used cartridges or anything else, anyone here could be a cop and you being a newbie makes people a lot more weary.

Plus you can get cartridges in your own country, if you think about where you need to look...

I wouldn't say this was the correct place for your post. Frankly I don't think such a poorly concieved and constructed post should have been made at all.

You really need to put more thought into your ideas.

[zaibatsu]

Semi/full auto MBR? Doubt you'd be able to do it - the gas systems are pretty complex really, you'd need a rifle to copy each component from, unlike simple blowback SMGs that you can do with trial and error. Now, a falling-block rifle action, that's perfectly possible with a mill - you'd be able to make everything but the barrel. I have some plans (from a book I actually bought! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> ) but they are very technical, and the action would require heat-treating (commercial) for safety I think. But, having said that, all MBR actions would due to the high pressure carts. My scanner is fucked or else I'd scan it, however and UK mods who want to volunteer...

[blacktalon]

:-) Why not just build yourself up a rifle? Step #1, go to a gun show and buy yourself a m16 complete parts kit. This will give you every piece you need except for a stripped lower receiver. (The controlled piece) Then go to <a href="http://www.tanneryshop.com/" target="_blank">http://www.tanneryshop.com/</a> and order yourself an 80% AR lower for $80. All the hard work is done for you. All you need at this point is a drilling jig and a hand drill. Then order yourself one of their jigs. <a href="http://www.tanneryshop.com/files/drilljig1.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.tanneryshop.com/files/drilljig1.jpg</a>
You can get the jig, all the bits, and the large tap you need for threading the back of the receiver for the buffer tube for around $300. <a href="http://www.tanneryshop.com/files/MVC_010S.JPG" target="_blank">http://www.tanneryshop.com/files/MVC_010S.JPG</a> You can even get a jig with with extra "devil hole" for drilling the hole for the auto sear which is the main difference between a semi and full auto AR. If you assemble a semi-auto ar with an m16 fire controll group, it will remain semi auto. It needs the auto sear which requires another hole.

<small>[ April 09, 2003, 10:13 PM: Message edited by: blacktalon ]</small>

[zaibatsu]

If you are referring to the person from AU then they cannot buy an 80% reciever, parts kit, upper etc. If only we could over here, I'd have made lots of them by now! Is there not something against using any M16 fire-control parts in an AR15? Doesn't make sense but that seems to be what the BATFE are all about.

[zaibatsu]

Apologies for the wait, I've converted the document to .pdf, its about 200kb and uploaded to the SensoryStatic FTP.

Enjoy :)

[I_am_the_Black_one]

You guys dont know much about aus do you..

You cant get smg cases over here or anything that will fire in a auto

Also I mate of mine in the US Is sending my cases and has made a m11/9 he made the barrel from from i think HE DOM (drawn over madrel) it works fine I have lots of time on my hands and am a profichent Machinest (Tho my spelling leaves a bit to be desired ) so I think I could perfect a gas system. The reason I was dreaming of this is that in aus you cannot hav basicly anything but a lil gun with a cork in the end



Edit: About the barrel He did this with a small lathe and a few home made mods I any one is interested I can wip up a DIY guide to making a M11/9 in 9mm

[zaibatsu]

so you can't get 9mm cases? I thought you could get 9mm handguns over there. You can't get .308? or .303? or .223? They're all calibres that have been used in automatic weapons.

If you had a CNC mill you could manufacture an AR15 upper and lower from scratch - check www.roderuscustom.tzo.com (from memory) and go onto the forums, check the AR15 section. The problem after that would be manufacturing everything else!

[I_am_the_Black_one]

Your wecome to come over ti australia and ask for 9mm smg cases........



How fast can you say ASIAO

[Anthony]

Even in silly England we can buy the seperate components of munitions...

Paying a visit to firing ranges can get you spent cartridges. 9mm/8mm blanks can be used as-is with a projectile. Souviner ammo provides 5.56/7.62mm cases and jacketed bullets.

Or you could even turn some up from brass stock on a lathe...

[I_am_the_Black_one]

You can buy Spent Brass over here or Unused but I think you would be in a jail cell if you went seeking SMG brass....

[Anthony]

SMGs usually use pistol ammo! 9mm, .45" etc.

[I_am_the_Black_one]

Umm yes officer i was buying 45,000 rounds for........


oh and most run of the mill ammo jams in 9mm smgs unless you have a very nice one you also have to have a firearms licancce over here and i can not get one for 10 years cause i have two accounts of assult police (I was minding my own bisness and they come up and try to charge me with break and enter no matter that i had just comeback from holidays and could not hav possably have done it they bashed me up and charge me with Assult police!!)

excuse the spelling im in a hurry

[irish]

With a licence you can buy any small arms ammo in Australia execept tracer rounds.
Without a licence you will find some gun shops will not ask to see one or you can find a shooter and get them to buy your ammo for you.

Also if you go and tell them you want SMG brass or ammo they most likely will ring ASIAO, tell them you want a 200 round case of ex-army 9mm and there will be no problem.

[I_am_the_Black_one]

Ok more on topic I have finnaly located good Blue prints for the AR15/M16 any one interested email me at grantnrussell@yahoo.com.au

[zaibatsu]

Those AR15/M16 blueprints are only for the lower reciever right? If you have some for the upper I'd be very interested. However, the lower prints are everywhere, including the FTP.

[I_am_the_Black_one]

:D Guess what I have Upper and lower Blue prints Il upload soon as I get acess to the FTP

[blacktalon]

Hey black one,
Ever shot a sub gun? I have personal experience with one or two, (Mac-10 and 11, Tec-9, Thompson, Sten Mk 2 and 3, CAR-15 9mm, MP5SD and PDW, UZI, Beretta 12S, and Glock 18's come to me off hand.) and I have never seen much of a problem firing Wolf ammo through them. (Wolf is the cheapest ammo you can buy. $100 for 1000rds of 9mm, 223 or 7.62x39. Absolutely not mil spec.)

If you don't believe that, hop a plane to the US in October and visit Knob Creek machine gun shoot in Kentucky. You can rent machine guns there and they dump cheap ammo down range all day with few jams.

[I_am_the_Black_one]

I have shot a few but The ammo here is crappy thats why im trying to get smg ammo I have heard of a quick fix for ammo feeding you file a small bit of the top of the chamber

[blacktalon]

Close... you file a small rounded trough off the bottom face of the chamber. This is called a feed ramp. :-) In most Mac-11 clones there is a piece of thin metal bent up to act as one, but they don't always work very well in that they are flat and don't guide the ammo to where it needs to be and you get a lot of stove pipes. (especially in home made versions) You might try rounding it a bit or welding a better ramp over the flat one. Even better... get yourself an old Colt 1911 barrel and cut the feed ramp off of it and weld it to the bottom of your barrel. I know a couple of guys that have had success with this method but they had to do a little relief work on the bolt to make it work....

[I_am_the_Black_one]

I have always had problems with ammo feeding

That may fix it do you think you could supply a diagram?