Suicide Bombs

[nbk2000]

Found this interesting site with details and pictures of the construction of suicide bombs, as used by the ragheads in their war against the kikes.

<a href="http://www.waronline.org/en/terror/suicide.htm" target="_blank">http://www.waronline.org/en/terror/suicide.htm</a>

[vulture]

I found this very interesting:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">But with all the disadvantages of a dangerous (for the terrorist) preparation, acetone peroxide has one definite advantage over other types of explosives - it cannot be discovered by dogs. Specially trained dogs (including dogs that were recently bought by Israel in USA) can discover explosives such as ammonal, plastic explosives, hexogen - but not acetone peroxide. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">

[Bitter]

I find that strange. In my experience, AP has always given off quite a pungent, sickly-sweet smell. Surely dogs can smell that ?

[Anthony]

They can most probably smell it, but don't recognise it as a smell that gets them a reward for making a big noise about it.

Doesn't this having something to do with AP not containing nitrogen compounds common to nearly all explosives used?

[vulture]

It could be, but pyrotechnic mixtures containing chlorates or perchlorates are also detected by dogs IIRC. Or were that explosive scanners?

[xoo1246]

Predictable construction, anyone surprised?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">The plastification of acetone peroxide ("cooking" the explosive to form it as needed when it becomes cold) is a very dangerous process, too. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">What? What are they talking about?

[Helos]

I think they are probably talking about melting it, it has an meltingpoint of under 100C degrees.

[Fl4PP4W0k]

Not to far under, mind you.
97C if I remember right.

Letts hope they keep casting AP... thin out their population :D
You would think that AP Putty would be useable, but would the dogs \ scanners smell the small amount of NC in the ping pong balls?

About the smell... Sometimes I think it smells pretty good, other times it smells overpowering. Hard to put your finger on the smell tho...

[Eliteforum]

I saw this site many weeks ago, but didn't think it was worth posting a whole new topic on it, however, having watched a documentry on SB's (suicide bombers) the police said that they could 9 out of 10 times know whom did the bombing.

As when the bomb explodes there normally wearing pipe bombs around the chest, this makes a small shaped charge kind of effect pushing up the chest and popping off the head, so they can reconise whom it is by the head!

Wonder if your still alive to feel your head popping off? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

[chemwarrior]

Your likely alive for split seconds. Its the same principal as when you cut the head of a chicken and it runs around for a few. Only the blood drains quicker from the head than in the body and as long as there is blood there, your still alive and in TREMENDOUS pain I would imagine. Lol, and this is kinda a good thing. Think about it. The rag heads need someone to show the younguns how to blow themselves up correctly, thus "I only demonstrate once!"

Maybe if we're lucky, theyll kill enough of each other that we'll be saved the trouble.

[Asger]

I don't think they feel any pain at all. Not even for a split second (sorry). I shot myself in the finger once and I only felt kind of a moderate 'smack'. No immediate pain at all. After that the finger was completely without feeling for a few minutes or so. Then I could start feeling when I touched the finger and finally the pain and thundering came sneaking ever more powerfull.
I took advantage of the few minutes of numbness for cleaning the hole throughly with a cottonstick and some disinfectant. However there was no way around it. I had to come clean and seek professional help.

But, who knows. There may not be any two people that has the same perception of pain.

And I am aware that a shot in the finger and kilograms of explosive around the chest dosen't compare very well... to say the least.

<small>[ September 17, 2002, 08:46 AM: Message edited by: Asger ]</small>

[nbk2000]

There was a link to a website regarding suicide bombers in the Sri Lanka conflict involving the Tamil Tiger group. Lots of pictures where you'd see nothing left of the bomber but a red spot with a head about 30-50 feet away. It was funny looking at pictures of mud heads lying in the street. :D

They ought to have a small bomb that they stick in their mouth before they blow themselves up, to destroy their heads so there's no way to trace them back to the group/sect that they belonged to.

[vir sapit qui pauca loquitur]

studies were carried out by the simple doctors of the french revolution, with the inmate being instructed to blink after decapitation, and there are (unconfirmed) reports from doctors of heads responding (eye lids flickering) to their name being called out (nice of them to name the heads isn't it :p )

I suppose that with the head being blown off, it gives them a sensation of flying to the after-life :rolleyes:

btw, i wonder if they bother washing the AP? I suppose they dont
mind if the AP goes off prematurely, :p

<small>[ September 17, 2002, 12:21 PM: Message edited by: vir sapit qui pauca loquitur ]</small>

[Arkangel]

NBK, it was the Sri Lanka Army website, "why we fight", and the section on LTTE suicide attacks. More blown off heads than I've had hot dinners:

<a href="http://202.51.141.138/lttemasacare.htm" target="_blank">http://202.51.141.138/lttemasacare.htm</a>

[Mick]

maybe they should just not blow themselves up?

in all honesty, how dumb are they?.
they blow themselves up because they believe that they will be granted passage to paradise.
now, if this were true why haven't there leaders done it?
i mean, look at it like this:

"raghead suicide bomber cult ranking system"
street scum suicide bomber - entry level pleb - 2nd level pleb - leader - allah(paradise)

now obviously, if it were true that by blowing yourself up you would go to paradise, why hasn't the leader done it? why bother building yourself up to the rank of "leader" only to have all these SSSB's overtake you on your quest to get to paradise?.
if these moron ragheads had even half a brain, maybe they would stop and think: "why doesn't the leader want to gain passage to paradise?...." or possibly when asked to become a suicide bomber they might just say "you first...".

maybe i'm just simplifing it to much, but it just seems so obviously dumb, and i just can not understand why suicide bombers don't get the whole "being used" concept.

fucken religion...find me a war where religion hasn't been directly involved.

also, does it really matter if AP can be detected by dogs or not? its used as a detonator, which means its surrounded by other explosives that can be detected by dogs, which makes its nondetectability(word?) null and void.

[xoo1246]

No, they use AP as main charge, and obviously casted too(!).
Somtimes they use TNT extracted from shells and mines.
No, it's not very bright to blow yourself up, and the leaders doesn't, they use younger people as their bombs. I it is since "the leaders are important to the continuing struggle". Hiearchy you know.

[MrSamosa]

Hmm... Why doesn't George Bush take some BDU's and an M-16 and go to Iraq instead of trying to convince us that WE must remove Saddam? You NEED the leadership preserved. That's why you don't see Generals out on the battlefield, or the President fighting in the streets. Just think about it for one minute.

Why Suicide Bomb in the first place, you ask? Because planting bombs in such heavily secured areas is often impossible. If you leave your bag unattended in an airport, what happens? They confiscate it, search it, and destroy it. Same thing happens in those areas. Therefore, strapping bombs to yourself is often the only way to deliver them.

I was thinking though; why not build the casing in such a way that it directs the explosive force outward? So you could essentially be wearing a belt of claymore mines. YOU would not suffer much injury, except for some bruising and maybe a few dislocated bones, but those in the target area would get the whole force of the blast. Of course, you aren't "martyred," and you have to make your escape...which might not be so easy once you've upset the hornet's nest of jackbooted police.

[kingspaz]

MrSamosa, are you trying to say if you wore a belt of claymore mines facing outwards that you could survive?! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
casing or no casing the shockwave would kill you.

<small>[ September 17, 2002, 03:58 PM: Message edited by: kingspaz ]</small>

[vulture]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> Hmm... Why doesn't George Bush take some BDU's and an M-16 and go to Iraq instead of trying to convince us that WE must remove Saddam? You NEED the leadership preserved. That's why you don't see Generals out on the battlefield, or the President fighting in the streets. Just think about it for one minute.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Indeed. Bush and Blair are both warchickens. They have never served themselves. Bush abused his fathers connection to stay out of the army. Ironically enough, if he would have had to join the army, he maybe had to fight in the Gulf war. Makes one wonder doesn't it.
Those who scream the loudest in the home, piss their pants the most in the field...

Anyways, I don't think one would survive mr Samosa. The blasts only way out is away from your body, so any protection will be pressed into your body by blast pressure. Ouch...

<small>[ September 17, 2002, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: vulture ]</small>

[Whitey]

This doesn't relate to explosives but those of you who are interested in the tactics of Middle Eastern terrorist groups might find it interesting. <a href="http://www.metatempo.com/analysis-alqaida-tradecraft.html" target="_blank">http://www.metatempo.com/analysis-alqaida-tradecraft.html</a>

It is supposed to be a translation and anaysis of a manual that was found on a suspected al qaida member's computer in Britian.

[vir sapit qui pauca loquitur]

I did read in time magazine that they fill the pipe bombs with AP exclusivly, and how many lose fingers due to the hazardous nature of mass production of the AP (or just stupidity with det's) they do often get help with the explosives/weapons arsenal by israeli's selling military stock (illegaly) for a bit of cash (hehe, i'm off to buy a merkava :D ). But it has to be kept in mind that quite a large number of the suicide bOmBeRz <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> do not want to survive the blast (heading of to the land of 100 virgins or some other twat) they simply want to try and take out as many israeli's as they can, they are taught from birth
( <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/06/28/world/main513730.shtml" target="_blank">www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/06/28/world/main513730.shtml</a> )
that the one true enemy is one that looks the same and even worships the same god (if you believe in such a thing) but they are EVIL. How much sense does that make ?

Mick, religion is the root of all evil if you ask me (but i can't quite put my finger on how WW1 was due to religion)

"Hate is ONLY learnt from our elders, kids are born without knowlede of hate"

and my last rant on the subject is the bias of the B*&$DY F*&KING
BBC! I'm sure that one day the're going to pull something about a suicide bomber blowing him/herself up in "self-defence" when he felt threatened by the IDF <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

(edit spelling)

<small>[ September 17, 2002, 06:40 PM: Message edited by: vir sapit qui pauca loquitur ]</small>

[Arkangel]

It's impossible for people here to understand the rationale behind the suicide bombers, as none of us has a real idea what they have gone through to get to that point.

An interesting case for me was the first woman suicide bomber in this latest episode. She was a 30 odd year old paramedic, who had spent recent years trying to save lives that IDF soldiers had been trying to take. She'd been shot by small arms 3 or 4 times, and watched countless people die in the ambulances whilst sat at Israeli checkpoints. Finally she'd said ENOUGH! She couldn't live with it any more.

And I have to say that I'm sure there would come a point where I (and probably some of you) would do the same. Sooner or later, in the same circumstances I would say "Fuck this, Fuck them, I can't live like this, with this anymore. And since I've had enough, I'll take some of those motherfuckers with me. Give me a bomb, and show me where the Israelis live" (or for that matter, name any occupying army - Indian/Russian, whatever).

The IRA never quite had the bollocks or the conviction to manage suicide bombing. (Hence they are mainly involved in drugs now) The nearest they got was the proxy bomb. In this courageous attack, they would break into your house in the wee hours, stick guns in your mouth and those of your family and explain that unless you drove the bomb-laden car to a police station or checkpoint, they would be shooting your wife and kids in their beds. :rolleyes:

<small>[ September 17, 2002, 07:06 PM: Message edited by: Arkangel ]</small>

[MrSamosa]

What I meant by my idea of "claymores" was not literally claymore mines... But rather, some way of directing the majority of the explosive force outward and away from your body. Think about it: the exposive force that's going inward at you is actually wasted, except for the purpose of killing yourself. What I'm referring to is a belt of shaped charges or something. To deal with recoil, maybe you could put something between your body and the bombs that absorbs the recoil. "Human Bombs" are an interesting idea, but I don't think that they have been developed to their full potential. I guess it's not the sort of thing you can experiment with like other kinds of bombs.... "I show you ONE TIME."

[J.T.Ripper]

Suicide bombings... ahh what a waste. i would think that groups like hammas would be involved with more user friendly gurilla(sp) tatics like the IRA.
the signs are there, like the bomb that was placed in a school cafe. It used a timing device and was in a back pack. Doesn't sound to flashy i know but when you think about how they're fighting it's a step in the right direction. The person who planted that device will have an opertunity to do it many more times to come.

i don't really aggree with this type of activity but it is interesting.

[Asger]

MrSamosa
Action will always have 'reaction' or recoil. When the explosive accelerates the scrapnel in one direction something else will have to be accelerated equally in the oposite direction. Be that explosion gasses, your body, the pinetree carrying the claymoremine - or yet more schrapnel... The issue is evident with rifles and other guns. Here the recoil goes to your shoulder and perhaps to a reloadingmechanism and or to exhaustgasses directed backwards through a muzzlebrake.

Now the belt you mention will still have to withstand the recoilforces of the explosives. Suppose you have a steel ring around your body with dimensions : 40 cm diameter, 20 cm height and 2 cm thick. That would weigh about 40 kg and would to a large extent be able to direct the recoil forces around your body between two oposite placed charges. But the charges must be placed symetrically and detonated simultaneously. It could work with moderate charges but guess what : I don't want to be the testperson.
There is also the question of protecting the height of you body. Could maybe be achieved by a curvature inwards of the steelring from the outside. So the explosive mayhem will take place in a kind of toroid with the bomber in the calm center.
OOps... almost forgot - use your earplugs... ;-)

<small>[ September 18, 2002, 05:08 AM: Message edited by: Asger ]</small>

[J.T.Ripper]

Why would you want to build a device like that. A big claymoore straped to my chest! What a way to spend next saturday.
With the size and weight of not just the armour but the explosives and shraps you wouldn't be able to move. I think a couple of AP grenades would be better. You could maximise body count befor you blew the charge straped to you. Its silly why would you want to have explosions going of aound your body so close. if there was a seem in the metal caseing then you would just have the armour implod and cut you into odd shpes befor you spew your guts(litraly) and your head makes it's break for orbit.
I personly would just take a back pack full of active but non armed mines and hide them places. Anti-tanks in the carpark etc.

[A-BOMB]

I remember something from bombshock that someone post here about putting bombs in people by removing there colons,intestines and stomage, then packing them with explosives. Then there was something about explosive/poison gas breat implants. the waitress walks up to the VIPs table and boom her chest explodes with a cloud of cynanide.

[kingspaz]

mr samosa, let me quote myself here 'casing or no casing the shockwave would kill you'. maybe i didn't make it that clear. being in such close proximity to the explosive the shockwave will travel through whatever armour you have and then through you. sound travels through solids as do explosive shockwaves. overall this WILL equal death <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

[vir sapit qui pauca loquitur]

i dont really think that using the abdominal cavity would work well for explosives, it would take a few hours for the op to remove organs, and maybe a few days for the patient to recover (all the while not having any food) and the usual explosives are toxic (especially when they would be bathed in interstatial fluid
from the blood vessels) which could damage the explosives/human host. Just the sheer size of the operation would be immense (due to the need to clamp off all the arteries etc) and i suppose that the liver and kidneys are to be removed as well.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

to quote "but guess what : I don't want to be the testperson"

life span after op, if done by a experiences surgeon, 3 days tops (if liver was left in , and dialysis was completed every day) but the explosives weight could be quite large, in the order of 10-20kg for a large male (for a fat man it could be a LOT more :D )

that would be a bitch of a job, and i dont think that a typical suicide bomber would go to such lengths.

it would be better if you stuck AP-putty up the guy's ass,
feed him some nuts and bolts....
and have the detonator on his little finger :D :D

brings a whole new outcome to "pull my finger"

<small>[ September 18, 2002, 06:27 PM: Message edited by: vir sapit qui pauca loquitur ]</small>

[Arkangel]

Water always runs to the sea, electricity flows along the path of least resistance, Palestinian suicide bombers make the best of the resources they have - don't assume (whatever you feel about their ideology) that they are idiots just because in the comfort of home you could devise a better way.

JT, the reason they don't generally leave bombs laid about like the IRA is because this is Israel we're talking about - lots of heavily armed, paranoid people that simply won't allow you to just leave a bag like that. IRA devices (with the exception of Warrenpoint, Enniskilen, Omagh, various pubs) were too random to guarantee deaths. The Palestinians want to get right in the middle of a group of Israelis, they want to guarantee killing lots of people, and the best way of doing that is to deliver it in person. (If you look through the archives you'll find my explanation of how the word assassin came about) The uni/cafe bomb was a rarity, brought about ironically by the atmosphere of tolerance and togetherness that used to exist there - they managed to get away with it that time.

I was very interested to see the way they used small 6-8mm nuts for shrapnell, laid in sheets and then glued together - an interesting way to make a claymore face or a trinade NBK <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

The one thing I'd be inclined to work on if I was them, would be a concealed (maybe you hold it in your mouth, if you have a beard) dead mans switch, since a lot of suicide bombers get shot before they can detonate. You'd have to have some primary arming system to make sure you got to the target area. I'd hate to think I'd been capped and my expensive belt not go off at all. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

[vir sapit qui pauca loquitur]

i know its a bit kewl, but a switch like the hand-initiator in the movie swordfish (normally open) with a relay for the detonator, hand relax's (due to death) and that cuts in the power to relay, closing circuit and setting off explosives. from pictures i have seen, the suicide bombers seem to use "rocker" switches (spring, normally in central position...) and one click switch (to arm) so its not
_that_ hard, one rocker switch would be the normally open, other switch to arm... but i suppose you dont really want to get the two mistaken in the heat of the moment :p

EDIT:
another suicide bomber has struck in israel,
looks like the IDF is going back in.
(19/09/02)

<small>[ September 19, 2002, 12:31 PM: Message edited by: vir sapit qui pauca loquitur ]</small>

[the resourceless reaperman]

It's quite illogical of the palestinians to stick explosives to themselves simply because they can't carry very much of it.

Also why didn't they ever try chemical weapons. Not something difficult to make like sarin but just Clorine or cyanide gas could do quite some damage. Furthermore, the clorine would be easy to aquire is Isreal rather than take it across the border. the clorine gas isn't that likely to kill but will be poisonous and will keep help away for longer than usual.

They could also stick a few bottles of clorine gas around their bellies in combination with the bomb. If anyone were to survive the blast the clorine might finish them of. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

This would scare a lot of isreallies and that's really the purpose of the attacks...

<small>[ October 18, 2002, 02:59 PM: Message edited by: the resourceless reaperman ]</small>

[MrSamosa]

I know that some Palestinian groups, HAMAS most likely, have been experimenting with Chemical Weapons. I'm not sure which agents specifically, but I know they've been messing around. There was an incident where a Palestinian was going to poison the food at some dinner in Israel, but he was caught. Unfortunately, most Palestinians are not able to leave their cities and towns right now, much less enter Israel. Therefore, obtaining chemicals, aside from the AN fertilizer, tends to become difficult. If the settlers keep selling IDF stuff to the Palestinians though, surely they would be able to obtain some Tear Gas Grenades (CS is what the Israelis use).

You would be surprised how much explosives can be tied on to you. The IRA guys could carry 50 lbs of explosives; although they never really suicide bombed - they just ran into a police station, dropped the bomb, and ran out. Considering that the bombers like to carry shrapnel, particularly washers and nails, then the relatively low amounts of explosives they carry will be quite suitable.

[xyz]

I read something about an Israeli victim of a suicide bombing (who survived the blast) catching a disease (Heatitis i think?) after a fragment of bone from the bomber (who had the disease) had been embedded in them from the blast.

As the bomber's blood would also be sprayed everywhere then you could turn a bomber into a walking cocktail of diseases like AIDS or any other disease that can be transmitted in this fashion. You would simply have to inject them with infected blood before the attack, you could also use more than one disease.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

That idea has already been previoiusly mentioned by me in a prior thread about suicide bombers, after reading the (probably) very same article.

NBK

<small>[ October 19, 2002, 02:28 AM: Message edited by: nbk2000 ]</small>

[Anthony]

I'd imagine that APAN would be quite useful to these people...

I don't think they quite got this right:

"acetone is used for nail polish, as a solvent or (in a solution with sulfur acid) as electrolyte"

<small>[ October 19, 2002, 11:20 AM: Message edited by: Anthony ]</small>

[nbk2000]

An article I scanned in from the june '03 issue of "The Atlantic Monthly".

It's very informative about the preparation that goes into such an operation.

[Some Guy]

I totally agree with Arkangel, trying to plant a "package" in fortress Israel is near inpossible. There are soldiers everywhere, and all of them are suspicious. Just an interesting point, in Israel, the bus system and buses are owned by the government. Because of this, the buses are often used to transport IDF troops from place to place. The media would like us to believe that Palestinian "terrorists" target these buses to kill women and children. However, by targeting buses the bomber is more likely to kill IDF soldiers and cripple a valuble troop transport at the same time.

[knowledgehungry]

Yes, while it seems bad that civilian buses are being attacked, the israelies are doing the same thing as the Iraqis did by hiding troops with civilians.

[Rat Bastard]

I was wondering if any of you have seen this page of pics on Suicide bomb vests & suitcases:
http://www.sftt.org/article12092002b.html

[kingspaz]

all those devices seem to be very uneconomical of space. i thought packing the whole suit case with an explosive almost big enough to take up the cases volume and filling in the edges between the explosive and case wall with nails would have been more effective.

[DBSP]

+ the fact that they'd have to use one hell of a battery/blasting device to get all of those charges to go off at the same time since they are conected in series and not paralelly.

Allthough if they are using AP as they seem to do they'd only have to use 2 ignitors, one for each side of the body. or simply fill a thin tube with a primary and run that to all charges, thus only requiering a single small ignitor. Something as simple as a 9V battery a piece of nichrome wire, some wire and a switch. Or if one would go really low tech, the tube could be run out one of the sleeves and ignited with a cigarette lighter, of course pretending to light a cigarette.

If I where to construct a suicide west I would use sheets of explosives covering the whole body and BBs as the frags, that would be very easy to conseal since it wouldn't be much thicker than a jacket or similar.

[Anthony]

They look pretty, but that seems to be their best feeature and I doubt they're as effective as they could be.

The use of multiple pipe bombs is simply adding the need for more ignitors (unless sympathetic detonation would detonate them all, but could it be relied upon?) whilst eating up weight and space. There are *far* to few frags, what's the matter, steel nuts on ration at the local hardware store? The nails are IMO too long, in the same space you could have two rows of nails half the length, double the chance to hitting a target and less likely to bend in flight, reducing penetration.

In the briefcase, I could cover the interior with glue and pour in BBs, nuts etc. Build up layers living a cavity in the main compartment (inside of lid would be covered completely) large enough to drop in a bag of 1-2lb of AP or APAN and 9v battery and model rocket ignitor or improvised christmas tree light ignitor.

[vir sapit qui pauca loquitur]

just coming back from israel (yisrael) i can say that it's almost a nightly occurance that blasts can be heard in the refugee camps (read terrorist for the most part) mostly due to something going somewhat errant (i'd say that it's due to someone getting a tad complacent with the explosives :rolleyes: )

I have a few nuts that were used in an attack and they seem to have been altered somewhat.

[chemwarrior]

Welcome back! Its been quite some time since Ive seen you on. I had thought you got tired of the forum.. but I was wrong!!:)

Also, Anthony, the idea of filling the top of the briefcase with bb's or such is a good idea. It will be just about the same effect as a claymore, although you dont usually die when a claymore goes off... unless of course your the one its pointed at:p

[vir sapit qui pauca loquitur]

what? me leave the forum! You should know that no-one leaves the forum ;)

and from what i've seen, all of the pipe bombs used have a series of concentric rings that weaken
the pipe wall, allowing for a more consistant shrapnel pattern (shape/size)

Also you really haven't lived unless one of these suckers goes off less then 50 meters from ones person! It did a god job of popping my ears.

[Wild Catmage]

Originally posted by kingspaz
MrSamosa, are you trying to say if you wore a belt of claymore mines facing outwards that you could survive?! casing or no casing the shockwave would kill you.

<small>[ September 17, 2002, 03:58 PM: Message edited by: kingspaz ]</small>

The claymore mine has a 15 metre semi-circular space behind it, which on the instructions has a label saying "Keep out of here" :D

A secondary missle hazard zone extends for 100 metres behind it. With a claymore strapped to your chest, you would be within both zones, but hey, you're a suicide bomber I guess.

to the front of the mine there is a roughly 30 degree wide kill zone extending to 50 metres, although the mine remains dangerous out to at least 250 metres.

[EP]

Also you really haven't lived unless one of these suckers goes off less then 50 meters from ones person! It did a god job of popping my ears.

:eek:

Can you give any more details on this?

[VladiO]

If the bombers got hold of an extremely obese guy with a lot of extra skin and liposucked him dry, could the loose skin space where flab used to be not be used for storage of explosives? If you pack a guy who used to be 350 pounds of flab (well let's say 150 pounds of it was solid fat), that's a lot of explosives. Then he goes up to a flea market and says "pull my finger..."

[kingspaz]

that an interesting idea. initially it sounds impossible and stupid but then think about silicone tits...
if you encase the explosives in the same sort of silicone as silicone breasts then the flesh would naturally heal over and grow around it. then you have a walking bomb.

[DBSP]

Hmm, funny, me and a mate was discussing wether it would be possibel for women to smuggle drugs in their breasts by replacing their solicone implants with drugs, maby even with a tube hidden some place on the body from which you could fill the boobs or empty them making it easy to make lots of trips without to much hassle.

Same thing could perhaps be done with explosives, allthough the ammount of explosives wouldn't be very large(depends on size of the breasts of cource) it could perhaps do some damage with a pre-fragged BH.

I remember a photo model that had these enormous implants, they would probably be good enaugh for 10kg in each breast. That would be quite a blast if it was NG :D

A bit sick but still, if it works...

[kingspaz]

i REALLY think this idea has some dam good potential. it will also rid the world from lard guzzling food whores also. imagine some 30 stone guy, suck 10 stone of fat out of his stomach area. then insert a 'balloon' of silicone, similar to silicone breasts. then instead of pumping silicone gel in there, pump in some NG :D. providing NG doesn't dissolve the silicone it should be fine. infact, it would be highly possible to insert the detonator into the guys belly button which will be heavily sunken due to his size. all he has to do is remove the det from his pocket, put it into his belly button then light the fuse. 40kg of NG would then be concealed completely and undetectably.

[bobo]

... and the mossad will wonder why palestinian men devour kilos of McDonalds food and the women get implants, all paid for by Iran...

[megalomania]

The idea certaintly has merit, never underestimate the potential of an enemy willing to die as they are capeable of anything.

A formally fat man could have his fat replaced by any number of high explosive pouches. It would probably be best to use a lower density explosive to match the density of fat. Otherwise the implants will droop and sag and not look quite right. The surgeons could cut a series of small pockets all along the chest/stomach and accross the back. They could lipo these pockets and then insert a sliver of explosive in the fats place. A detonator could also be surgicially implanted within the body. This detonator would either be detonated by cell phone, or the suicide bomber could place a cell phone call to a nearby accomplise (outside a security checkpoint etc) who would then activate the bomb by remote.

You wouldn't want to have a detonator on you in case you get searched, hence all the bother to surgicially implant the explosive to begin with. The cell phone method seems to be gaining popularity nowadays as they become ubiquitous.

What about force feeding someone a large number of explosive capsuls? These could take the form of plastic spheres or gell coated pills that are easy to swallow. The pills would be filled with bits of explosive. These could be swallowed up to several hours before a suicide bombing. One would swallow enough to get quite a bit of explosive in the stomache. The explosive of choice would likely have to be something fairly sensitive to detonation. Hopefully the bomber would be able to eat enough to get a good blast radius. The suicide bomber could then approach the target and get nice and close. For example the bomber could shake the hand of a certain elected political leader getting him close enough to take him out. A detonator could be a simple low powered transmitter disguised like a keychain car alarm, it would only have to penetrate the flesh to reach the detonator also swallowed. The bomber grasps the hand of the victum, pulls him close, cries Alluh Akbar, and presses the button. Messy :(

[bobo]

Such capsules are being used in drug trafficing already. Poor hopeless person in the Antilles gets 10000 euros and a ticket to the Netherlands if he swallows a few dozen large capsules with cocaine in them. Of course, the coating must be resistant to the stomach. Sometimes a dead guy can be carted off the plane if one of the capsules has leaked and you only have to imagine what happens if he can't shit out all capsules when they collect them in a backroom. But, this is the way much coke got through the scanners in our country the last few years. If the scum of Osama adapt this cheap technique to get a similar amount of AP into a plane...

[cutefix]

As this thread is about suicide bombs, and in Bali Bombing was also done partially that way...The latest issue or herald sun shows that the bombers bungled on their attempt in assembling and effective bomb which to the mind of experts could have provided more disastrous explosion of the procedures were followed to the letter.
What happened was IMO it was likely a deflagration to detonation transition instead or complete detonation.Just think of the fires that resulted from that.
It can be also that the explosives were not well tamped and the loose powder instead of undegoing a higher detonation speed could just have esploded like black powder and the initiating mechanism failed to provide and effective shock wave for the main explosive which was the supposed eady to initiate potassium chlorate and fuel bomb.
Therefore the expected bomb total energy was not expended properly.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,7424117%255E661,00.html
What stupid people are these Jemaah Islamiah are! More bluster but little effective performance which anyway is a blessing to us.
If it happened as what was expected by the bomb designer the casualties are heavier
:p

[Flake2m]

Mega: Did you get that idea off Monty Python's; The meaning of life? "its only wafer thin..."

If you wanted to improve that idea, then you would use a binary explosive. Part A has been swallowed an hour or too earlier. Part B is swallowed to set the explosive off. Though you'd have to smuggled though part B in the form of some pills or maybe some sort or drink.

As for the Bali Bombing; I would not like to imagine how much damage would have occurred if the Bombs had gone off properly. As for Amrozi, well I'd like to see him and his bunch of "believers" work in a piggery, cleaning pig shit for the rest of his life.

[oddreverie]

there was an account of a man who head was publically decapitated by guillitine who had made previous arrangements to blink as many times as he could AFTER his head had been removed. His freind who was in the public counted 12 blinks tending to indicate that even after beheading there is some sensations
Now if this is true, and since I was not there I have no idea, it would occur to me there may be several seconds of ?conciousness? before death if your head was to "pop off" do to a bomb being attached to your body.

just some little near irrelevant account I read in years past

[Anthony]

I'd imagine that the intense shockwave passing through your skull would at least knock you out, if not scramble your brain :)

[arnold]

I believe a large amount of explosives like 20kg would blow the head into pieces too ;)

[megalomania]

The guillotined scientist in question was Lavoisier, who we all know and love as one of the great ancient chemists of the 18th century, discoverer of oxygen, among many other great accomplishes. Ever the scientist to the very end he devised the blinking experiment. He was either very brave, or completely oblivious as to his fate...