.17 HRM ? I want one

[A-BOMB]

Have any of you guy heard of this new cartige for Hornaday(sp?)? Well I just got my new issue of The Rifleman (NRA magizine), and this cartige looks sweet.
Now let me list the specs
Bullet .17 cal. (.172 actual)
weight 17 grains
velocity 2455 f.p.s
range 1.5 miles

Oh and I forgot its based on a necked down .22mag shell.

It has less wind drift than a .22WMR, at the same range.
And it drops about 3 inches at 250 yards instead of the .22mags 5
and it has more inpact strenght at the same range as the .22mag
(all ranges are 250 yards)

I want one so what do you guys think of it?

<small>[ March 14, 2002, 11:07 AM: Message edited by: A-BOMB ]</small>

[Anthony]

Can 17gr really deliver much shock/knock down to a human target?

[Madog555]

sounds cool, i always wanted a .17

[xoo1246]

Nearby tissues will destroyed by the chockwave causing massive internal bleading.

[A-BOMB]

I'll scan the pages from the magizine. And does anyone know if you can link pictures from the FTP?

[Ctrl_C]

yes you can. i do it all the time and it doesnt seem to bring too much traffic.

[A-BOMB]

Alright heres the links to the scanned pages but be warned they are big some of them because they need the best resoultion to be able to be read

<a href="ftp://ewf:df447jh4@209.195.155.80/-=Uploads=-/.17%20HMR/cover.gif" target="_blank">cover.gif</a>

<a href="ftp://ewf:df447jh4@209.195.155.80/-=Uploads=-/.17%20HMR/one.gif" target="_blank">page one.gif</a>

<a href="ftp://ewf:df447jh4@209.195.155.80/-=Uploads=-/.17%20HMR/two.gif" target="_blank">page two.gif</a>

<a href="ftp://ewf:df447jh4@209.195.155.80/-=Uploads=-/.17%20HMR/three.gif" target="_blank">page three.gif</a>

<a href="ftp://ewf:df447jh4@209.195.155.80/-=Uploads=-/.17%20HMR/four.gif" target="_blank">page four.gif</a>

<a href="ftp://ewf:df447jh4@209.195.155.80/-=Uploads=-/.17%20HMR/five.gif" target="_blank">page five.gif</a>

<small>[ March 14, 2002, 10:24 PM: Message edited by: A-BOMB ]</small>

[BaDSeeD]

Personally I don't see much use in the .17hrm but a friend of mine is a big fan of 22 mags, and is buying one. He already has it ordered, and i think will get it some time this month. I'll probably shoot it with him the first day he gets it, and i'll let you guys know how well (or not) it works.

Personally the only reason i shoot a 22 rimfire is for the economy of it. A brick of remington thunderbolts can be bought for like $8.00 on sale. Thats 500 rounds under 2 cents per shot. 22 magnum rounds cost about $9.00 for 50 rounds, and this new .17hrm is going to be what? About $14.00 for 50? For that kind of price, in a small caliber application.... I'll stick with the .223.

More power, longer range, lower cost, and reloadable cases.
There is no choice to make there.

[Bitter]

I should think that plentiful supply is also a factor favouring the .223 aswell.

[A-BOMB]

Did you even read the page? It a varmit round, not for a m-16 or g36.
I like it presonly because of its higher velocity and lower wind drift and drop but the same hittin power as a .22mag.

[DBSP]

The remington thunderbolt sucks. The best .22 I've found is the remington yellow jacket, it has far the best accuracy i've had in my 22LR (Brno 452 varmint) and it has a very good kill action on smaller animals (varmints). I know this is off topic but I had to say it.
As I see it the 22 only has the disadvantages of being wind sensitive
and having a bad tradgecory. I've been thinking of buying a 6-18x40 with paralax and target turrets, that might help the tradgecory thing.

The .17 HRM has a VO of 2550 f.p.s how much is that in m/s. One thing that definately is better with the .17 than the .22 is that the higher VO wich makes it possible to use "real" bullets instead of the ordinary .22 Pb lumbs. The V-max is a good bullet and probably fits the calibre quite well. I recently found a ruger K77 zvbs heavy varmint 22-250 for sale. That would be nice to have, 1200 m/s and acuurate to 400+ meters. That way I could skip the .22 but the .22 is still my favourite since it's so cheap that you shoot all day, unless you're a milioner it's quite hard to shoot the .17 HRM all day.

[A-BOMB]

Ya DBSP that is good that it shoot a real bullet, and BadSeed the fucks up with you brick of .22's? I get 1,000 Remington yellowjackets and vipers for that much and that for me is exspencive
many because I by in bulk and get 5,000 for 25$.

[nbk2000]

"A range of 1.5 miles". Yeah, at 45 degree elevation and absolutely no chance of hitting the target, let alone hurting it.

For a .22, try using Triton Quik-Shoks. The slugs are three pieces of lead that are swaged into one bullet. On impact, it blows apart into the three pieces which go every which way inside the target.

A .17 varmint rifle might have applications for short range sniping. Varmint rounds are very high velocity which cause them to (essentially) vaporize into dust. Meaning no ballistics.

Also, being of small caliber, it's much easier to silence than a larger caliber, thus much easier to avoid drawing attention.

Remember, air guns firing pellets have been known to kill, so an actual firearm can easily kill a human too, if a decent target is hit.

[BaDSeeD]

5,000 (thousand) for $25.00?????
Where the hell do you buy your ammo???

You aint going to get 5000 bullets, let alone the rest of the case. I mean just the bullets, your not going to get for 25 bucks around here.

And who was talking for hunting anyway guys. If i'm going after varmints (usually racoons) with my 22lr i shoot CCI Stingers.

Why in the hell pay a higher price if your just plinking?
Who gives a fuck what the knockdown power, and penetration of your bullet is? PAPER DOSN'T BLEED! I hardly ever get duds out of a brick of thunderbolts, and as for accuracy, at 75 yards i can fire a ten shot group and cover the results with a quarter.
Thats plenty accurate if you ask me.

And i'm serious telling me where you get them for that price. I'll order 20,000 right now.

[BaDSeeD]

Hey I'm serious! If you can get ammo that cheap I want to know WHERE!
I've never seen prices like that. $8.00 for thunderbolts is the cheapest you'll find in NY.
And the CCI Stingers are about $7.00 - $8.00 for a box of 50.
If you know where to beat that, post it.

[A-BOMB]

Sorry BadSeed I don't get them from a store or website I get them from one of my cousins freinds that has a .22lr gattling gun. He bought a huge shipment (like 25,000 shells from remington) of all kinds of .22 shell a while back because he might go out and shoot a 1,000-2,000 shell just going out to the range. Well he might sell you some shells but I won't give you his telophone number right now I'll ask him first tomarrow or the next day. If he saids yes I'll give you his e-mail (thats if he still has one still? :confused: ) And he is in the US.

[BaDSeeD]

What the fuck A-Bomb?
You rip on me for the price I spend on ammo and tell us all how you can get it for so much less, better ammo and all. How you can get twice as much for the same price, actually more, 5000 for $25.00?
LOL

Now that someone corners you and wants to know WHERE you got them, all the sudden its a deal that was only for you. No store, no website.
A cousins friend?
LOL

Pretty suspicious. Sounds to me like your just plain FULL-OF-SHIT.

[DBSP]

Hey badseed I'll beat you on the stingers I get them for 6.5$ at
Jakt och fiske specialisten in sweden!!!

[A-BOMB]

BadSeed, are you 18 ?. How much are you willing to pay for shipping? And how many rounds do you want? And wheres your closest FLL because he'll have too have them shipped to one because he doesn't what to get sued and what kind he has three kinds vipers, cyclons,and yellow jackets and do you what them in the boxes or in a drum? PM (private message)me to tell me the specifics.

[BaDSeeD]

I'm 27, and my next door neighbor has an FFL.
I can also get just about anything wholesale, as he and I are very good friends. And even he has NEVER seen prices like you mention.
For those kinds of prices I could get a handfull of friends together and we'd place an order for a quarter million of the damned things to offset the price of shipping. Those prices are absolutly unheard of anywhere in or around New York State. Anyone else on this forum seen prices even remotely close to 5000 rounds for $25.00?

And DBSB that may be right, but I have no clue what the conversion is to American Dollars.

And either way, even at $8.00 for 500 rounds of thunderbolts, thats cheaper than shooting a CO2 pellet gun. When you consider the price of pellets and CO2, .22's are cheaper.

[DBSP]

1 Us dollar is 10,5 swedish kronor. I get the stingers for 65kr wich means: 65/10,5=6,19 Us dolars!!
And then I get some pulled off that ammount since I'm a good customer, If you rate his custumers by age and how much they buy
I'm at the top of that list.