ANMN

[Pu239 Stuchtiger]

ANMN stands for "Ammonium Nitrate Methyl Nitrate". Thus my idea: sensitizing ammonium nitrate with methyl nitrate. I believe that the reason why nitromethane sensitizes ammonium nitrate is because a small amount of NH4CH2NO2 is present at all times - which should be very sensitive (nitromethane is acidic). I believe that methyl nitrate would also be acidic, and so would form a similar sensitize compound in small quantities when mixed with ammonium nitrate - NH4CH2NO3. Clearly nitromethane is still the sensitizing agent of choice, because it is improves the oxygen balance of the ammonium nitrate MUCH more effectively than methyl nitrate would. But, methyl nitrate is far easier to improvise than nitromethane.

I probably won't get around to testing this for some time, but I thought that others would be interested to hear this idea.

[nbk2000]

It should work like Ammonal dynamite since MN is similar to NG and absorbing it in AN would be the same as absorbing NG.

It would definatly make it easier to detonate, probably more so then with NM since neat MN is very sensitive to initiation.

[Pu239 Stuchtiger]

Actually, methyl nitrate isn't very sensitive at all! If I remember correctly, it takes a 40cm fall of a 2kg hammer to detonate methyl nitrate (as opposed to something like 2cm for nitroglycerine). I read this in Urbanski, but I can't double-check my memory because I no longer have it on my computer (just formatted my hardrive, my only backup disks are floppies).

[xtreme]

Methyl Nitrate = realy sensitive, if I see the procedure in one of my Amry books "Improvised Munitions Handbook"

Methyl Dynamite is almost exactly the same as NG Dynamite (procedure)

How sensitive....same as NG ?
Give Methyl Nitrate the same headages as NG ?

Methanol (methyl alcohol) is used for sensitizing AN too what can be compared to ANFO, only more hygroscopic than ANFO (Fuel Oil/Diesel)

But...I have thinking too about methyl or a combination of Methyl and NM what makes it less expensive

[Pu239 Stuchtiger]

Hm, interesting... I think I'll synthesize some methyl nitrate very soon to resolve this question.

[Pu239 Stuchtiger]

I must have had the most unique accident ever. I had placed a beaker in an ice bath, poured in 10mL of methanol, and slowly added 4mL of HNO3, keeping the temperature below 15C. It was on the garage floor, where I do all experiments involving hazardous vapors. A certain idiot female inhabiting my home just ran over the beaker with the car! Starting over...

[xtreme]

explosives + female = not good ! :D

b.t.w. are there females anyway on this forum or making explosives ?

Let me (us) know the results of the procedure of Methylnitrate...I'am curious about it. I think I give a try this weekend too.....

[xoo1246]

Have a look at the rest of society and you'll figure why they aren't here(females).

I copied two pages from COPAE for you:
<a href="http://w1.478.telia.com/~u47802930/Image2.jpg" target="_blank">http://w1.478.telia.com/~u47802930/Image2.jpg</a> (first)
<a href="http://w1.478.telia.com/~u47802930/Image1.jpg" target="_blank">http://w1.478.telia.com/~u47802930/Image1.jpg</a> (second)

Merck sais it has been used as a rocket fuel and that it boild and explodes at 64.6 degrees C, COPAE sais it's vapors explode at 150 degree C.

Here are two pictures of a friend I found, they were going to throw her out.
<a href="http://w1.478.telia.com/~u47802930/P1010001.JPG" target="_blank">http://w1.478.telia.com/~u47802930/P1010001.JPG</a>
<a href="http://w1.478.telia.com/~u47802930/P1010002.JPG" target="_blank">http://w1.478.telia.com/~u47802930/P1010002.JPG</a>

Edit: Run your beaker over with a car(!?!), now that is what I call an accident. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
Edit(2): Shouldn't you use H2SO4 in the syntesis?

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What is it? An autoclave, oven, fridge? Also, is there really no way you could have edited the picture so it was smaller than the 270KB it was? (Hint: Photoshop!)

It'd be nice to download a picture from the internet in less time than it took to build it in the first place.

NBK

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Sorry, NBK, I usually convert my pictures, this time I didn't, when I uped them I was in a hurry. It's capable of giving a temperature between 50 - 200 degrees celcius.

<small>[ July 27, 2002, 03:29 AM: Message edited by: xoo1246 ]</small>

[xtreme]

xo1246: Thanks for the info (damn.....it gives headages too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> )

[nbk2000]

Page 192 of COPAE:

"MN is very much more sensitive to initiation than NG, a fact which, like its higher velocity of detonation, is probably associated with its lower viscosity. It is less sensitive than NG to the mechanical shock of the drop test."

So, there it is. I was right. :p

Oh, and MN is slightly more powerful than NG to boot.

The disadvantage of MN is that it's as volatile as the methyl alcohol it's made from, so it'll evaporate away if not tightly sealed up. And, yes, it'll give you a nitro headache too.

[Mr Cool]

I'd much rather use propyl/isopropyl nitrate to sensitise AN.
Isopropanol is MUCH easier to get and about 1/10th of the price of methanol (in the UK), IPN is much less volatile = improved storage, less likely to give you a headache, it has a much more -ve OB so it will make more use of AN's +ve OB, you will need less IPN than MN to get a perfect OB, so the resulting explosive will be cheaper and safer, IPN is less sensitive, IPN is more stable.

I'm not sure if MN has any significant acidity, even if it did the increased sensitivity due to the tiny amount of the ammonium compound formed will be insignificant when compared to the increased sensitivity due to the ester.

[xtreme]

Here (Netherlands) it's MUCH easier to get Methanol/Ethanol.
Ethanol you can get everywhere.

Methanol (pure) you can get it at outdoor/camping stores (used as fuel for fireburners) and modelrace-shops (fuel for car). They sell pure NM as well for mixing your own fuel (Methanol/NM). Methanol is not expensive. Ethanol is MUCH more expensive than Methanol

propyl/isopropyl alcohols....that would be MUCH more difficult.

There are so much difference between our country's <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[Flying Dutchman]

Xtreme you can get Isopropyl alcohol everywhere in The Netherlands.
I don't know the english name but in Dutch it's ruitenwissersproei.
I got it from Gamma (a DIY store in the netherlands)

[xtreme]

Thanks Flying Dutchman !

[mxr0cker]

I have read through this web site and looked through this thread, and i can't seem to find an exact procedure for making ANMN. Can anyone help me out here?

[vulture]

Either way you're stupid or you didn't read this thread!

ANMN stands for "Ammonium Nitrate Methyl Nitrate". Thus my idea: sensitizing ammonium nitrate with methyl nitrate.

How fucking hard is that?

Sjeez! :rolleyes:

[nitram3000]

I'm pretty sure that isopropyl alcohol is a disinfectant that you can get in drug stores. I have some that is 70%. Distillation is required though to use with AN. Correct me if I'm wrong.:confused:

[ztrain727]

Yes...isopropyl alcohol is used for many cleaning applications, and I believe it can be purchased cheaply and easily in high concentrations of even 99% in certain pharmacies, yet still (correct me if I'm wrong) is probably more expensive than Methanol...in the US.

This may seem harsh but, what are the advantages of using Methyl Nitrate or Isopropyl Nitrate in the first place, when NM is relatively easy to botain as a fuel base and the usage of NG already sensitizes AN in AN dynamite? I'm researching Methyl Nitrate but don't seem to understand why it is easier to make or obtain than NG or MN...don't mean to be obnoxious, but could someone explain?

[mil&co]

For optimum OB in ANMN you'd need 40 grams AN per 77 grams MN, not very practical since this will form a slurry.

Soaking the MN in the AN just like ANNG, and then adding Al-powder will make the best OB, and therefore, the most powerfull mixture.