PYRO500's new "toys"

[PYRO500]

I have been collecting simple street weapons used around here (most of the people that call themselves part of a gang here can't afford guns! or find someone that can afford one to steal from!!) in the pictures you can see a chrome knuckle duster, a 96 link bicycle chain with a keyring on the end, a #40 36 link sprocket drive chain, and a two piece throwing knife set. of these things I got the drive chain (my favorate) for $5.00 (bought it from someone at school beacuse I didn't want to buy 20 feet minimum) it is 277G for just 36 links and is very heavy and would pretty much crack bone on impact with a skull. The bicycle chain in comparison is 96 links and weighs only 300G for it's length, you can use the keyring on the end and make a hand loopand the chain is too small for someone to try to yank it from your hands and needs to be doubled up to be a good blunt impact weapon but it is very compact. The knuckle duster is 4.5 Oz witch is about half of their brass counterpart, I found I don't really need extra weight and it actually can hemper a good well aimed strong punch and won't stain your hands like brass, I believe this is a steel piece coated with chrome. the two piece throwing knife set is in a little leather pouch and they are pretty well balanced. I got these for $5.00 from someone who couldn't figure out how to throw them, I have gotten really good with them close range. as a matter of fact I got everything here except the bike chain from people at school. here are the pictures of them and my case I keep them in.

<a href="http://www.boomspeed.com/kg4boj/dsc_001.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.boomspeed.com/kg4boj/dsc_001.jpg</a>
<a href="http://www.boomspeed.com/kg4boj/dsc_003.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.boomspeed.com/kg4boj/dsc_003.jpg</a>
<a href="http://www.boomspeed.com/kg4boj/dsc_005.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.boomspeed.com/kg4boj/dsc_005.jpg</a>

[randomquestion]

Nice...I like the bike chain Idea...But just wondering how often do you use these "weapons" on people -- and who...??? Hey I'm also from FL...

<small>[ May 23, 2002, 10:44 PM: Message edited by: randomquestion ]</small>

[Madog555]

i have a 1-2foot length of heavy chain and a nice hardwood billy club thats all dented up. i inherited them from my great uncle. the club looks like it got quite a bit of use

[TariqMujahid]

I bought a machette from K-Mart for $8. I think it's 16" long blade, but I don't remember or feel like looking at it right now. It came with a green sheath that can be hooked to a belt. Of course, they sold it to me with the blade duller than a butter-knife's, so I had to sharpen it a bit. Now that it's sharpen, it makes quite a nice weapon. I keep it under my bed, just in case.
They also sell nice Hatchets at K-Mart. Steel Blade, and quite sharp! These are $12. I don't know which would be more fun to use, a machette or a hatchet.

[Mick]

i would love a set of knuckle dusters...but unfortunatly they a remarkably had to get in australia

bicycle chain is for pussies, get some motorbike chain, or bobcat chain.(either that or just go buy some normal 20mm chain.)

[SATANIC]

In aus, you basically have to make your own. I know people who made their own knuckle dusters in metal work, from thick aluminium plate. quite light, and with tapered edges above the knuckles.

Apparently, knuckle dusters are illegal here in aus, so watch out....

There has been a discussion about the usefullness of throwing knives, but they're fun to play with anyway :)

The bike chain could be kept under the guise of a key chain, so you could completely deny it as a weapon when pulled up by cops. (as seems to happen to all kids these days) carrying a knuckle duster or throwing knives is going to get you in deeper shit than they're worth.

maybe it's different where you live, but a simple folding knife is enough for me. I have a large cold steel voyager, with the tanto blade. sweet!

[Microtek]

If you want a good weapon for self defence but is worried about being caught with it take a strong, lightweight umbrella with a sharp point and a narrow profile. If you're a reasonably good fencer, no hand to hand weapon will beat fencing weapons. Of course, really close quarters are unsuitable for improvised rapiers, but nevertheless...

[Microtek]

Why is hand-to-hand combat a problem? It's certainly not as lethal as shoot-outs, and not as random. I'm not quoting starwars here; you can train in armed or unarmed fighting to become good at defending yourself to the point that even three or four opponents are manageable but in a shoot-out, luck is the main factor.

[A-BOMB]

Spyder Co civilain is the way to go or a nice looking killing glove.

[PYRO500]

I'd get a pair of loaded gloves but here in florida there's no excuse to wear them and they aren't easy to slip on and off in your pocket. I personally prefer teh larger #40 chain to any of the others, it is heavy, a good flail like weapon, strong enough to take anything I can put at it and is compactables, the knuckle dusters look very suspicious but I can call the big chaina key chain (a very long one) beacuse it has a triangular metal piece one end for attaching stuff. this is the biggest chain that I think would be fast enough to be defensive and offensive against a fast target and powerful enough to crack a skull/knock out teeth/break an eye socket (a nasty wound that leaves a person's eye hanging out) I am thionking about cutting the bike chain as it is a bit too long, but I still think it's too light to do anything except hurt like hell. the little belt pouch on the throwing knives is convienient, although I'd only use it as an intimidation weapon beacuse it's so small, like I throw one at a wall and stick it into a bulliten board, then pull the other one out and say, I can do that again, then be prepaired to grab a heavyer weapon although at clost range (6-12 feet) I can throw this thing so it flips broad side through the air I can repedidly stick it through drywall. I think that a person's abdomen would be no challenge. but with the small blade i'd have to be prepared to follow up with an elbow to the face or something.

[EP]

TariqMujahid - I also have a machete next to my bed! Seemed like a good place to put it.

Where I live and go to school there is no point in carrying any kind of weapon, so I don't have to worry about it. :)

edit: I don't think it would be too difficult to make "knuckle dusters" from wood either, and if you were feeling evil, drill holes and stick nails in them so it has spikes. That would make it a bit difficult to conceal however...

<small>[ May 24, 2002, 06:11 PM: Message edited by: EP ]</small>

[Spudgunner]

Has anybody thought about using the chain off of a chainsaw instead of bike chain? I know it wouldn't have the brute force of a drive chain off of a motorcycle or anything, but it would hurt as much as a bike chain, and it would (probably) shred skin because of the projections that are on it. I don't think it weighs that much though, so it may not be that great of a substitute, but I think an experiment with under-ripe watermelons would be in order. Now, if only it would stop raining long enough to plant a garden, I would be able to try that method later this summer. Just a suggestion.

Spud

[Demolition]

I remember a story my friend told me about some kid who got caught with a knuckle duster,they kicked up a huge fuss and I *think he got charged in the end,stupid really. :rolleyes:
I know if I was about to get rolled I wouldnt think twice about using it,and then if things turned out my way id steal there wallet,you might as well take the opportunity when its there.

Ive made a knuckle duster before and carried it around with me,Ive even taken it to school and almost got caught with it. :o (I had not intent on using it,just to show me mates) Ive got to get around to making another. :)

I like the idea about the motobike chain.Ive gone and got myself a length already,its soaking now in some kero to dissolve all of the grease.Ill add 2 keyrings either end and then use to to make sure noone steals my wallet. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> :D

Next to my bed ive got a large Mag-lite (takes 6 D batterys) and a smallish type steel pipe.Its about 40cm long and 20mm in diameter with the thinkness of the walls being 3-4mm.This thing hurts like anything,I was swinging it around one day and on my downswing (coming from over my shoulder) the pipe kept going and I accidently hit myself in the kneecap. :o I fell to the ground instantly in agony. :( I say that the % power I hit myself with would of been about 5-10% of my maxium swinging power if that makes sense.

[nbk2000]

Get ten, 1 yard lengths of razor tape or barbed wire. Tie one end together into a bundle with wire, then wrap well with duct tape to form a handle.

Voila! A flail that'll rip flesh off bone with one swipe. Perhaps you could conceal it inside a cardboard tube disguised as a package or such to carry it in public.

For chain, weld short bits of nail cut down (pointy end, 'natch <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> )and passed through the sprocket holes for a few inches at the ends. Now it'll pierce the flesh and rip it apart when yanked out.

[BoB-]

I've always been partial to the boxcutter myself, they cost about a dollar a peice, there blade extends in less than a second, and they are (duh) razor sharp. A carotid/jugular attack would be extremly effective with one of these weapons, and even a blinded-by-adrenaline swipe would cause extreme pain and blood loss.

[green beret]

I like all these ideas, I will get myself a length of chain soon, I would also like to get some knuckle dusters, Demolition do you have a bought pair or are they home made?

[Spudgunner]

NBK, I was up at our farm the past few days and got a hold of our barbed wire. Now, I didn't actually try MAKING the flail, but I did test the wire, and it was VERY stiff. I do not know if they make different thicknesses of the wire, but ours was VERY stiff and wasn't really flexible, so I don't know how good of an actual flail it would make, though it would still hurt like ****. It might even hurt more if it wasn't very flexible, but it would take some work to make it work. Because the stuff is spooled up, when you take it off the stuff is all curled, and it takes some work to get it straight. So, this flail idea of yours would be painful, but you couldn't really hide it. The stiffness of the wire would prevent you from just rolling it up like a whip or something. I've never encountered razor tape, so I have no idea if that would work, but the barbed wire won't (at least, the stuff we have).

As for original ideas for weapons, I seem to be screwed lately. I used to be able to come up with pretty good stuff, but lately I cannot think of anything really. But, I will be sure to post it if I do.

Spud

[Demolition]

green beret - I made my own from about 1/4 Inch steel.It wasnt the best design but its still good. :)
For my next one instead of having individual holes for each finger it will be just a long hole and made from about 1/2 inch steel.

[Zach]

back when i had access to the FTP, i downloaded that knife making pdf.
the guy who authored that drilled holes along the outside shape of his knifeblade so he could just saw between the holes. that makes cutting a hole out of steel or whatever very much easier. when i made my knuckle dusters, i used a bigger drill bit ( bigger than the hacksaw blade ) in one spot and used a smaller drillbit on the rest of the profile. filing all that steel is a bitch though...

[PYRO500]

I would recomend that when you make your knuckle dusters that you do make it so that all the fingers are seprate, there is varing designs in knuckle dusters but the ones that hurt the other person the most and you the least are the ones that don't spread your fingers much, also if you make a pair be aware that your palm is going to take the impact more than your fingers meaning that if you do not invent some new way of bracing your homemade dusters you will end up having a hard time getting it to line up with your palm and wrist and since you are gripping this thing you could end up fucking up a finger or two, I tried to explain that the best I can but in case i'm not clear let me explain a little more. First example, a pair of storebought knuckle dusters, they have holes you put your fingers through them and when you clench your fist your fingers end up like your holding something in your hand, your fingers cannot travel any furter back beacuse the duster is braced against your palm and lines up perfectly across the tops of the second knuckles every time you make a fist. Now you have a home made pair. You have one long slot for the finger holes. The duster is cut from a rectaqngular piece of steel and when you slip it on there is a bit of wiggleing around, the dusters do not line up with your knuckles every time beacuse the individual fingers do not line up with the holes and the duster ends up above (bad) or below (worse) your second knuckles. Now this may be worst case scenario but in a hurry you'll be thankful that the holes are there trust me.

Also, do not ever get in the habit of putting them on any other way than just fingers through the holes in the top and making a fist, any other way will end up hurting your hand/breaking fingers.

[nbk2000]

Get a grinding wheel for your drill and use that instead of a file.

Old barbed wire is better since it's more flexible, plus it's rusty. If you stick a couple of onces of weight on the end of the strands, it greatly increases the "flail" action. Razor tape can be pretty flexible too in smaller sizes.

[A-BOMB]

I'm going to decribe my "killing glove" as I call it because I can't seem to find it for a picture. First I took a semi-fingerless paintball glove and cut into the leather in the palm and remove the padding and replaced it with a 2mm thick steel plate with a hole in the center to which I attached the swivel/ball joint from a TV antena. Then I cut the antena tube off a 1" from the ball joint and epoxied a metal spike into the tube. Now I can swivel the spike and which way strait out the bottom of my fist to slam it down in a stabbing attack, or strait forward for a punching attack. And then when I don't need the spike I just unscrew the metal plate in the glove. I'll see if I can make a drawing of it if I cant find it for a picture.

[inferno]

Trolley pools make good "gang" style weapons, god knows a lot of kids get whacked up with them in Aus in gang wars. Theyre made out of aluminium tubing, its lightweight but hard, but the weight/size ratio is EXCELLENT for a weapon, theyre light enough to handle very easily, yet heavy enough to inflict some major pain in a fight. I got mine from an abandoned trolley, just cut off the pole from the trolley with a knife, so it has a handle on each end with grip too. I did have one i gave to a friend with a biog money box on it, weight about 500g (just the money box) and was closer to one end than the other, excellent solid metal heavy "bommy knocker".

And as for knuckle dusters, lol satanic i thought youd know theyre illegal here! everything is illegal here. Did u know by law taxis are meant to hold a bail of hay in the boot? Old law from horse and cart days i guess, but the police could still arrest a taxi driver for it!

A weapon kids make in woodwork (shop for u americans) is just a piece of thick (1 1/2 inch+) dowel, about a foot long with bent nails bashed in a pretty random order in one end. Knuckledusters would have to be made i think, you wont find them easily lying around. Knives are the best weapon though. As that GET TOUGH! book in another post says, even an opponent seeing the flash off a blade of a knife strikes fear into their heart and can make them surrender, and that someone well educated and trained in the use of a knife is virtually unbeatable if they wield a knife in hand to hand combat.

A good alternative to a knife, which will do the same but inflict even more pain probably, is a nail punch. Theyre very hard, yet sharp enough to just pierce skin, and will deliver a blow like bringing down the back of a machete on someone hard.

There are better alternatives to use than a machete, theyre a bit too heavy to control quickly, but if you did hit someone itll really f*** them up bed. But in civilian fights, gang wars and the like, its really more important to disable them with the least amount of injury or permanent damage, as even in self defence you can get put in jail.

I know a family who had a burglar try to break in through their skylight, he fell in and broke his leg, sued them and won $40,000 AU. Go figure.

[xoo1246]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> I know a family who had a burglar try to break in through their skylight, he fell in and broke his leg, sued them and won $40,000 AU. Go figure. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Urban myth.

[Microtek]

A knife is an excellent weapon if your opponent is unarmed - otherwise it won't do you much good as it has no defensive capabilities and very little reach. A simple hardwood dowel 25-30 mm in diameter and about 50 cm in length ( or a pair of these ) are much much better.

[Nico]

Just as a counterpoint to the opinion of finger-holes in knuckle dusters, many folks over at BladeForums and KnifeForums (Snickersee, Don Rearic, Ken Cox, etc.) seem to favor the NON-finger-hole design, FWIW. I guess the important thing is just to try the darn things on your hand, hit a few walls, and see what works best for you personally.

Here's a few related links ...

The ComTech Stinger: <a href="http://www.jamesakeating.com/catalog1.html" target="_blank">http://www.jamesakeating.com/catalog1.html</a>
Don Rearic's Commentary: <a href="http://www.drearic.com/brassknuckles.html" target="_blank">http://www.drearic.com/brassknuckles.html</a> (explore the rest of the site too)
Custom Knuckle Dusters: <a href="http://www.mrknuckles.com/index3.htm" target="_blank">http://www.mrknuckles.com/index3.htm</a>
The Impact Kerambit: <a href="http://www.shomertec.com/item.cfm?variable=108" target="_blank">http://www.shomertec.com/item.cfm?variable=108</a> (this item has gotten mixed reviews)
The Keepsafe: <a href="http://chasclements.tripod.com/keepsafe.htm" target="_blank">http://chasclements.tripod.com/keepsafe.htm</a>
Lead-filled gloves: <a href="http://www.omegamanenterprises.com/hatchgloves.htm" target="_blank">http://www.omegamanenterprises.com/hatchgloves.htm</a>

<small>[ June 04, 2002, 05:07 AM: Message edited by: Nico ]</small>

[ShotgunsAreFun]

On the subject of concealing bike chain as a keychain, I prefer just to buy some of that really thick keychain and have a bunch of keys on the end. Totally deniable(cops still rough you up like hell if you carry anything like a weapon even if they have no proof, I know this from personal experience and I heard some guy was arrested for carrying a sock in his pocket to be used as a break and enter tool. Don't know if it was true though) and if you have some old padlock keys or whatever, you can sharpen them and they will inflict extra damage. I carry my chain wherever I go, and have only ever had to use it for intimidation. Most people just leave you alone if you unclip it from your belt and swing it at them.

A trolley pole is also very useful as a handle for a flail. They can be removed from the trolley just by turning it on it's side and having one person jump on the main body of the trolley and another pull the pole out. Drill a hole in one end, but a metre or two of heavy chain and another metre of light chain on the end. You could add a chunky key ring to the end to give it some extra weight, but I haven't. That can easily break bone once it has some momentum! Just some ideas.

[life and death mc]

G'day fellas, just thought i'd throw my two bobs worth in on a simple knuckle duster design.All you need is three pieces of 25x25rhs[square hollow tube] about 12mm wide and a bit of 10mm round bar,lay the 3 bits of rhs so that the one in the middle sits higher than the other two then lay the round bar along the bottom and weld it together.

[mark]

Does anyone know if it is illegal to cary small throwing knives on your person, like in your wallet? Also, is there any good websight that have throwing tutrials? I just hate the sound of the knifes clatttering to the floor when I throw.

[Fl4PP4W0k]

Hey,
IMHO, Fuck the small throwing knives.
They suck some MAJOR cock. Big, weighted ones are pretty cool - but the l'il ones just dont have the heft and are therefore pretty hard to throw and hit somethin.

A good compromise are those small Carbon Steel "ninja" stars. They are pretty small, and whatever (within reason) way you throw 'em, they stick in.

[sinstar]

I'am pretty sure spytech sell ninja throwing stars, and there based in the Uk.

[Xtramad]

Has anyone ever been killed by a trowing star or even seriously wounded? I've played around with these things for years and the only ones that I think would cause any sort of serious damage are the one with three points. Hitting someones head would be the only option for disabling them if they stood absolutly still, who wouldn't duck if someone threw something at their face? And if someone hit me in the chest or face with one of those things I probaly wouldn't even bother to remove it before beating the shit out of the bloody punk.
Sorry to burst your Kung Fu dreams, but throwing stars suck.

[xyz]

I think that some throwing stars have holes/indentations/grooves in the side which are deigned to hold a poison of some sort (if disabling your opponent is your aim then I think you could substitute the poison for a diluted acid or even use a concentrated one if you can protect the star from being dissolved)

I have a throwing star that I made in Metalwork at school when the teacher wasn't looking :) , it is made from galvanized steel sheet (about 1mil thick) and is very sharp, it is reasonably accurate if thrown right and will stick about 2-3cm into a tree.

On the topic of knuckledusters, a popular material to make them from here in Australia is those thick (1.5-2cm) plastic chopping boards that are made from a very strong and solid plastic, they are much easier to make than metal ones and don't show up on metal detectors.

A friend of mine has been considering an electric knuckleduster with a capacitor charging circuit and capacitor inside a container worn on the belt or put in the pocket with wires going to discharge terminals on the (plastic) knuckleduster.

[inferno]

Xoo - no sh*t. Was my dad's friend. He got them on something to do with the fact that the skylight could have collapsed on anyone including someone working on the roof or whatever.

And "ninja stars" could do a lot. Simple stars cut out of galvanized metal (as someone said) can stick into things pretty nicely. Commercial ones are much thicker and denser, and are probably better. But it they can stick 2-3cm in a tree, imagine into a body. With the spin on them, theyd cut you up pretty nicely.

[xoo1246]

Since we are talking toy's in general, I like to show some caltrops I made recently(showed one in the blu-tack post). They are easily made from two horse shoe nails and can be manufactured in less than a miniute. No soldering necessary. Probably not the best for vehicles but good enough for feet/shoes.
I have tried stepping on them and they pierce my shoes without much resitance at all.
Here's two pictures of them:
<a href="http://w1.478.telia.com/~u47802930/caltrop02.jpg" target="_blank">http://w1.478.telia.com/~u47802930/caltrop02.jpg</a> (closeup)
<a href="http://w1.478.telia.com/~u47802930/caltrop03.jpg" target="_blank">http://w1.478.telia.com/~u47802930/caltrop03.jpg</a> (those small ones isn't large enough to pierce a shoe, made them only as a test)

If any of this seems confusing, it depends on me having a bad cold in combination with too little sleep.

<small>[ June 14, 2002, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: xoo1246 ]</small>

[Whitey]

Here's in interesting article (above average) on the type of weapons typically found on the street.
<a href="http://www.righteouswarriortemple.org/New%20Folder/hidden.htm" target="_blank">http://www.righteouswarriortemple.org/New%20Folder/hidden.htm</a>

[knowledgehungry]

On the subject of knuckle dusters, my friend has one which is used as a belt buckle he found it at some punk gear store as a belt buckle but it works as good as normal ones, it is a great way to excuse yourself having them, he wears it to school and no one is the wiser. even if it is a regular knuckle duster you can hook it on your belt to at least make it appear to have some purpose...

[PYRO500]

Almost all of the ones I've seen have some kind of stud that allows you to stick it onto your belt. The problem is that they aren't actually belt buckles and if a cop should see you wearing one they'll know exactly what you have.

[Voltforce]

Has anyone heard of a gang that uses crossbows? For such a good weapon, they a remarkably cheap, only $40 for a cheap one and around $150 if you want a moderately good one. No cleaning or bullets required. Armed with a crossbow, an attacker with a knife or chain would have little chance against you. If you want to get really cheap, you can make one for under $5 with popsicle sticks, super glue, elastic wire, and a shishkabob skewer. It would not be lethal, but its very presence might be enough to persuade an attacker not to come after you if he does not want a skewer stuck in his body.

[Charlie Workman]

My older brother has carried a pair of brass knuckles for years. No one knows he carries them and he is very adept at getting them out of his pocket and on his hand without notice. One punch, the fight is over, and they are back in his pocket. No showing off to the guys or bragging how clever he is. As you can guess, he does have a great rep as a one punch fight stopper.
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<small>[ October 24, 2002, 02:10 AM: Message edited by: Charlie Workman ]</small>

[Machiavelli]

Voltforce, you might want to delete your "idea" of a homemade crossbow, as it's truely the essence of kewlness.
About the gangs, I've never heard of them using crossbows, which seems quite logic to me. Usual gang fights occur in a distance of less than 10 meters and are often associated with provocations, verbal abuse and such for warm up. A crossbow is bad for such situations since it's very bulky due to the bow ruling out concealed carry, it's a one shot weapon, takes very long to reload and sucks at manstopping.

For your chain or knife wielding attacker, if you don't manage a perfect shot in the eye if you're lucky or maybe the right spot on the neck then you'll probably have about 2 seconds before a very angry armed person is so close to you that you can smell what he had for lunch and you might be able to guess what he'll have for dinner. You won't like his choice :D

[BoB-]

A combination of pipe knifes (sometimes called "blood letters") and ninjastars could prove quite effective, 1/8" blacksteel pipe nipples could be welded together and then grinded to an extreme agle, then have straightened fish hook barbs soldered to all the points.

I still love rolls of pennys. "Oh, I forgot to go to the bank today occifer." They add alot of power to your punches, if your already decently strong you will get a 1-hit knockdown.

Theres no reason why you have to smooth out the hit face of your brassknuckles, infact I'd say that a bunch of square bleeding dimples in someones face would be quite a detterent to the next guy

Butcher knifes make great weapons too since they're already designed to cut flesh. Just ask Michael Myers.

[Darkbloodpriest]

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I don't think this would be very hard to make at home if you started with a
perfect square of metal...and I don't think you would need all the pretty crap in the
middle.

As for using crossbows for closerange fighting...it works in concept only.
If you ever tried it...crossbows suck. You only get about a good 20 or so
feet or range. If you manage to consistently hit a target past 20 feet
with a crossbow...you're a bad man.
If you were simply going for the stealth part of it though...
whats so bad about blowguns? Short...silent...deadly(with poison-tipped needle
darts), perfection. Undetectable by metal detector(plastic blowgun...darts are too thin
to be picked up...or you could hide them in a pen)...you can have a fairly accurate
blowgun that is only two feet long...you would go four a three or four footer when
you get experienced at controlling your breathing and when you need to hit something
at a further distance(50 feet is all I've ever gotten).
Speaking of poison...has anyone ever seen blackleaf 40?

It was probably banned a while ago though...

[McGuyver]

Yeah, I am also looking for a good poison to put on the tips of my darts. A poison that kills almost instantly but isn't but some how isn't dangerous unless it gets in your blood. Not sure if that's possible but...

edit- spelling...

<small>[ October 27, 2002, 02:55 PM: Message edited by: McGuyver ]</small>

[SATANIC]

I like that nija star / shruiken / whatever darkblood priest, I know it has been discussed, and they are supposedly fairly useless as far as serious weapons go....

With that particular one, you wouldn't have to hope one of the corners / spikes hit first, as the entire edge is sharpened to a blade. That way even if just the edge slipd by them, they are going to get cut, and if it's sharpened well, then that could be a fairly deep cut too.

It'd be worth testing anyway.

[Darkbloodpriest]

I do not consider something like this a "serious" weapon, especially compared to some
of the other things one could make with some metal working toools, but with a little
concentrated nicotine sulfate...&gt; :) (Which I have yet to find ANYWHERE btw)
Although I do not know if such a small amount would do anything...
I have been looking thru some of the pmjb's and I really like prussic acid...I
just wonder if it leaves a residue? (On the weapon of choice I mean)
If you could get a poison to gel or somehow stick to the metal...you would be in
business. Steel doesn't absorb as well as aluminum...atleast oxidation wise, so I
assume it wouldn't bond as easily to a poison. See where I'm going here?
I wonder if garlic "juice" poison tipped bullets are simply a urban myth....hmm...

I think you've been talking to Madwolf too much... "Poison" garlic anything ideas are not welcome here!

Sounds like a good project to me...I'll post results when I find something that
works.

<small>[ November 06, 2002, 01:38 PM: Message edited by: Anthony ]</small>

[Machiavelli]

Considering the fact that prussic acid is a gas at slightly elevated room temperature it probably won't leave any residues. It also won't stay on your weapon, read a bit more. Especially try some of our past threads as poisons for darts/arrows/weapons have been discusse ad nauseum. If you want your poison to adhere to a weapons surface you could mix it with a highly viscous oil.
The garlic idea however is crap, the only useful "evil" application of garlic was demonstrated using an ex-member called madwolf who just couldn't stop spouting nonsense about poisonous garlic bullets and him being chechenyan war vet and some other fake bs. We stuffed his ass full of nitrated garlic cloves and set fire to it. He went off like a rocket and wasn't seen again. Problem solved :D

<small>[ November 06, 2002, 05:50 PM: Message edited by: Machiavelli ]</small>

[nbk2000]

And I lit the fuse. :p

WHOoooooossssh..........BOOM... :)

[SATANIC]

Yeah, all throwing knives / stars are not serious weapons at all.

When I get around to testing, I'm also going to try serrations in the flat of the blade. They would look like the serrations you find on many knives these days, but hopefully not just shred rather than cut, but act as a blood groove.

As we all know, when the wound is opened, it closes pretty quickly, unless the skin can't meet back up. Hence: serrations. the blood groove idea is also part of it, because I would be hoping for the tool to stick in the victim. If it doesn't, it's still cut them up pretty bad with the serations.

Also, I've just bought some real throwing knives (small set of three) that do quite nicely. between a metre - metre and a half, they stick blade in, not a problem. Outside that range, I can't get a straight throw. Practice makes perfect, and I love mucking around with them, (have a dart board) so it's only a matter of time before I get it right.

[Harry]

Hey MacGuyver, it's called snake venom. Cobra, krait, coral, several marine serpents. Assuming no cuts or sores in GI tract, you could dring the venom. Rub it on your skin, whatever. But if it gets direct acces to your blood, if you're not in an ER already, just hope your will is up-to-date.
Synthetic heroin (China White) is pretty nasty stuff--a dose the size of a few sugar grains is lethal. Hard to "safely" cut that stuff. I'd say its best use was to accelerate mortality. Avoid skin contact.
But in my sleep-deprived fantasies, I use metallic sodium projectiles for a nice penetration. (Don't ask about manufacture, anything's theoretically possible at 4AM with a 20 hour workday behind you.)

Harry