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J
October 1st, 2001, 12:46 PM
I was just talking with an email contact about a computer controlled RC car he has built. One idea he had was to allow it to be controlled via the net. The disadvantage of this method is that a computer would have to be placed so as to be withing range of the RC system. Either that, or the vehicle would have to have a phone, modem and a computer of some kind on board, + a hefty battery pack.

My idea would dispense with everything but the cell phone and a small command interpreter. To control the vehicle, frequencies would be sent down the line, which would be translated into actions by the interpretter.

The circuitry would be simple (maybe even just a frequency controlled amplifier IC, a summing amp, and some logic), and the bandwidth of the phoneline is high enough to have many channels. This is another advantage; commercial RC systems of more than 2 channels are expensive (especially those over 4).

The video camera could be mounted on directional stand, which could be adjusted by the user over the phone. Wireless video cams can be bought off-the-shelf, although they are usually low range.
The range could probably be improved by adding on an RF amp (possibly disabling the one already on board first). This might attract unwanted attention though.

The basic (minus video receiver) control system could be smaller than a standard RF transmitter. It could have a built in cell-phone, and/or have the ability to attach to a standard phone handset. It would simply generate the correct frequencies according to the commands of the user.

The video receiving equipment could be a small monitor (maybe LCD) with the video receiver attached. Although not feasible now (AFAIK), in the future one of the next generation mobile phone's could be used. The standard phone on the vehicle could be replaced with a video capable phone, which would also receive the regular commands. Another phone could be built into the controller to receive the video!

This will probably be another project that I never get off the ground, but I thought I'd share the idea anyway. One obvious disadvantage is the cost of the phone calls.

Another advantage is the simplicity of the control unit. It would be easy to improvise in the field (minus the video receiving part) if the command syntax was carefully thought out. By command syntax, I'm thinking of whether a continuous frequency would be transmitted (the command is carried out while the frequency is present), or a start and stop frequency pulse.

I'd appreciate any suggestions or comments.

J

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Snipie
October 1st, 2001, 02:34 PM
Why don’t you just use a PMR (Private Mobile Radio) ?? they can transmit communications over 2 kilometer (1.6 miles I guess) and with tone squelch (CTCSS, or digital squelch DCS) you have plenty of channels free to use, and if you use some sort of encryption (very easy to make with a micro controller) no one can take over your controls. The video transmission is somewhat difficult over a long distance, but if you can encrypt the signal to MPEG 4 (witch is very difficult) it is possible to transmit it through the PMR I guess, maybe low quality and a low FPS.
A friend of mine is working on a video signal transmitter (range 300 M) for his RF helicopter, and he is using some IC’s from Maxim (<A HREF="http://www.maxim-ic.com"> Maxim </A>) I thought he’s using the MAX 2620, but I’m not sure.
Maxim offers free samples from there IC assortment (I tried it, and I have now 16 brand new ICs in front of me http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif).


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Predator
October 1st, 2001, 05:03 PM
because a pmr only has a 2mile max range.. the cellphone idea is limited only by satellite and atennae coverage

J
October 1st, 2001, 05:56 PM
Thanks for the link to Maxim, I'll probably have a use for the RF chips at some point. Some of them look ideal for boosting the power of a wireless video camera with not too many extra components.

As predator said, the point of using mobile phones is that the range is huge. It would probably be easier to use standard RC gear than PMR's, although a system that works on cell-phones could probably be hot-swapped directly for use with PMR's.

My P2 300 has difficulty with a lot of MPEG4 (DivX), never mind a portable tx/rx setup :-( I think plain composite video is the way to go here, although it might be easier to build in encryption on the MPEG4 encoder/decoder than do the same with composite video. MPEG4 encoded video just might be compact enough to send over a standard phone line at very low quality, whereas there's no chance with composite.

J

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BoB-
October 1st, 2001, 06:13 PM
It would be cool to have an onboard GPS to send information through the cellphone, that way your model airplane, or car could be tracked and controlled from miles away.

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mrloud
October 3rd, 2001, 04:41 AM
The brain of your spy vehicle could be an old 486 laptop running Linux. Linux supports the AX.25 protocol which is a way to set up a TCP/IP network over a radio link. You could then send and recieve data from the vehicle over the one data link which could be encrypted using the linux version of PGP.
A digital camera will plug straight into the laptop. A friend of mine has a small robot which is software controlled via an RS232 port. The robot and software came as an inexpensive hobbyist's kit and could easily be adapted to contol forward, reverse, left and right steering.

I don't seem to be able to find a straight answer as to what sort of bandwidth you can get using packet radio. I guess it depends on the quality of the transceiver.
I would only use a cheap black and white CCD camera due to the limited bandwidth. Also B&W CCD cameras can pick up infra red.

Here is a link to the AX.25 Howto at www.linux.org (http://www.linux.org)

http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/AX25-HOWTO.html

This would be a very cheap and reliable way to control the vehicle but you'll need to be very knowlegeable with Linux and TCP/IP networking.

J
October 3rd, 2001, 07:44 AM
I've always been curious about packet radio. It does seem very complicated and quite expensive :-(

I've found this site which has information about the hardware used and links to other sites:

<a href='http://www.wa4dsy.net/'>http://www.wa4dsy.net/</a>

J

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