EtronX for impro weapons?

[zaibatsu]

Someone a while back suggested a battery of tubes with either rockets or bullets (can't remember which) being electrically ignited, so that they would have a fairly high amount of shots in a short time (ala Metal Storm). However, the usual problems would be with the priming systems.

So, how about buying some EtronX primers and using them? The remington 700 that works with EtronX uses a 9v battery, so it shouldn't need a massive battery pack to get it to work. Also, this would make it easier to make small firearms, as all you would need would be a contact for the cartridge. It would do away with the need for semi-complicated firing mechs, although it would only realy work easily with a single shot rifle/pistol I guess. Anyway, what are your thoughts on these things?

Some info: http://www.remington.com/ammo/PAGES/centerfire/etronx.htm

http://www.remington.com/firearms/centerfire/700etronx.htm

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[nbk2000]

Why not e-mail remington and ask them where you can buy the primers for reloading?

And I'll bet you that they don't sell primers for reloading so that you have to buy factory loaded ammo at exorberant prices from them for that very reason.

Also, I believe that the voltage is stepped up to create a spark, not just 9V straight.

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[zaibatsu]

Quoted from the Gun Mart magazine that I first saw this in:

"... the only difference is the primer, so the empty case can be reloaded in the conventional manner, or with etronX primers from Remington."

So, I guess you can buy them specifically for reloading, although this was written in a magazine, not straight from the horses mouth.

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[AR-15 Man]

What real advantage does this have over conventional firearms other than reduced lock time when the firing pin is being released. Only in high precesion, match rifles would you really notice any difference from a system like this. I would say it might cut down on some weight though as this is why it is being marketed as a hunting rifle. As for a semi gun I don't see any advantage at all.

[zaibatsu]

I don't understand, are you commenting on the EtronX system in conventional firearms? If so, then that isn't what I'm talking about, I apologise if my original post confused you.

What I am talking about is how we could make a much easier firing system using EtronX than if we had to impro one. We could then make weapons smaller (easier to conceal) and have the possibility of making the multi-barrel type weapon I said before.

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[AR-15 Man]

Oh hell yes it would make improvising a lot easier. That would take one of the hardest parts out of improvising a gun. Really your imagination, wallet, and resources are your limit. It would make guns easier to set up for traps, more concealable because you the firing mechanism wouldn't be that big at all.

[nbk2000]

It'd only make it easier if it's ignited by 9 volts. But I'm fairly certain that the battery is amped up to create a much higher voltage, the spark from that being what actually sets off the primers.

So, if that's the case, you need to create an electronic circuit to fire them. Big pain.

And what's with the oddball calibers? When they start making them in 7.62 or 30-06, then I'll notice them. And $2,000?! Holy shit!

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[A-BOMB]

Actual, NBK2000 22-250 is a good caliber I had one once, but traded it in for a .22 magnem browning with rosewood stock. And why did I trade it in may you ask, it because the shells are to fucking expensive $12 (USD) for a box of twenty and not even a brand name! But it is the ground hog gun from hell it has speed up with the .220 swift! It has a speed of 3500+ fps.

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[EventHorizon]

The .220 Swift is one of my favorite calibers, although barrel burnout is bad. You can reload the Swift to 4300fps IIRC.

As for cost of ammo, I can reload 50rnds of .308 (match grade) for about $12, not including the brass; I use Lapua and Norma.

And the Etronx, total gimmic IMO. If I'm going to spend 2K on a rifle, it won't be a factory model, it would be a used match rifle and getting it rebarreled if need be. And nice wide selection of calibers offered, .220 Swift, 22-250, and .243. http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/rolleyes.gif

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[HMTD Factory]

Ordinary primers respond to electricity if you zap it really hard, electronically.

Etronx primers are made to be used with mild current/voltage (higher voltage may arc) produced by their circuit, the electron flow through the priming mix instead of around the primer cup, heats up the priming mix, boom.

As far as I know, no Etronx primers are sold alone in the market.(I bet both the rifle and the primer are patented so those who desire an Etronx will have to buy/use a Remington)

[SawedOff8gaugeman]

"You can reload the Swift to 4300fps IIRC."

That's nothing compared to a project I heard about: IIRC it went like this: a few of .308 cartridges were loaded with very light bullets. They were of course very high-pressured "fuck CIP etc..."-loads. Bullet speed was measured at a few meters from the muzzle. About 1200 meters/second (=3937fps http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/biggrin.gif according to my Texas Instruments P.O.S.) I'm unable to give any details, because I didn't do that myself. Yes, I still have some thought in me http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif

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[EventHorizon]

How is 4300fps nothing compared to 3937fps?

4300 fps is nothing compared to some experimental conventional loads. Around 7000fps is about the fastest a smokeless powder cartridge can acheive. .17 Remingtons are about 4400fps I think, but thats only a 30 grain bullet I beleive. They have sabot sleeves that you can load .224" bullets into .30 cal shells. Velocities as you described are easily acheivable with those. My Dad handloads a hot 110 grain RN bullet into a .30-06. It leaves wad-cutter type holes in paper at 100yds. LOL

Now if you are talking about energy, well then, thats a different story. A 50grain bullet going 4300 fps from a 220 Swift and a 240 grain matchking going 3800 fps from a .30-378, the Swift is just no comparison.

Last time I read an article about rail guns, they were firing a 6# projectile at over 10,000 fps. http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/eek.gif

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[SawedOff8gaugeman]

It was a .308 and the projectile was a full-sized (lighter than normal, of course... 3-4grams IIRC). I think that really IS something. Ok, it's not any Wonder of the World©. In some small-bore/lot of powder space calibers like the .220 that's not SO special i.e. they normally have high velocities.

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[This message has been edited by SawedOff8gaugeman (edited November 06, 2001).]

[BoB-]

When firing model rocket engines using primers, the firing pins will wedge the primer in place in the nozzle causing an explosion.

Electronic primers would solve this problem since they are set off by electricity, if there detonation depends on current and not amps, then a firing system could be improvised from a disposable camera flash circuit.


[This message has been edited by BoB- (edited 11-16-2001).]