Poison

[stanfield]

What's the easiest poison to make ? could I have the synthesis ? I would like a poison which is able to kill a big dog (60-70kg)

thanx !

[Mr Cool]

Why do you want to kill a big dog?

[stanfield]

2 dogs attacked me while I was running (footing), this is the third times and always the same dogs and the owner is in fault ! I did a letter to the town hall but the owner do absolutely anything !!! so, I will take the law back myself...

sorry for my bad english...

[xoo1246]

Don't kill the dog. Kill the owner.

[stanfield]

I don't want to go in jail :)
but to kill his dogs, I don't have any .44 magnum so I'm obliged to do it with poison I will inject in a steak and give it to them ! muhahaha

[NoltaiR]

Well if you are technical, all you need is a tablespoon of cyanide and a tablespoon of H2SO4 and a gas mask... but then again I don't think you are going to have access to that one anytime soon. Try making a mixture of ground beef, mushrooms, and benedryl. You will have him sleeping in a nightmare for quite a while....

[stanfield]

cyanide, hum... hard to make, hard to get
I could buy it from my chem supplier (acros) but it's very suspicious...
No, I think there must be a violent poison for dog like aspirin for cat !

[Ctrl_C]

rat poison. you would need a large amount but perhaps


Monograph number:
Title: Tetramethylenedisulfo tetramine.
CAS Registry number: [80-12-6]
CAS name(s): 2,6-Dithia-1,3,5,7-tetraazatricyclo[3.3.1.1
3,7 ]decane 2,2,6,6-tetraoxide;2,6-dithia-1,3,5,7-tetraazaadamantane 2,2,6,6-
Molecular formula: C₄H₈N₄O₄S₂ Molecular weight: 240.26
Percent Composition: C 20.00%, H 3.36%, N 23.32%, O 26.64%, S 26.69%
Literature references: Prepd from sulfamide, H 2 NSO 2 NH 2 and formaldehyde in 60% H 2 SO 4 : Hecht, Henecka, Angew. Chem. 61, 365 (1949). Toxicity: Hagen, Deut. Med. Wo chenschr. 75, 183 (1950).
Properties: Cubic crystals from acetone, dec 255-260degrees. Violent convulsive poison ! Stable to acids and alkalies in dilutions up to 0.1 N. Dec upon prolonged boiling of aq solns. Soly in water about 0.25 mg/ml. Slightly sol in acetone. Insol in methanol, ethanol. LD in mice ( mg/kg ): 0.20 orally or s.c. (Hagen) .


i just thought of another one too. nicotine. the LD is .3 mg/kg intraveneously and 230 mg/kg orally. its really cheap and available from biological suppliers.

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[PYRO500]

Ethylene Glycol, AKA antifreze, this stuff is kind of deadly and a tastes sweet and is responsible for many met maimings, here's the LD data from merck:

LD 50 in rats, guinea pigs ( g/kg ): 8.54 , 6.61 orally (Smyth); in mice ( ml/kg ): 13.79 orally (Bornmann) .

As you can see, it doesn't take mutch to kill so if you are determined, I would recomend EG, of course you could throw some H2SO4 on them, or get one of those pistol crossbows and shoot them over a fence till they die.

[Energy84]

I thought rat poison was the same as blood thinner. I've always been told that by my dad and my old chemistry teacher. I don't know exactly which chem it is, but I'm sure that if you look on the box, you'll find something that says what the active ingredient is. Once the dog's blood is "thinned" enough, it'd just need to get bumped or lightly cut and it'd bleed to death...
Would it be possible to get any strichnen (SP?) It's been banned from use in Canada because it was "too powerful". If you search the Merck index for Warfarin or Ratak Plus, you'll find some interesting information. They're both common rat poisons.

[mrloud]

Poisoning the dog is excessively cruel. I have a dog myself and would be very upset if someone killed it. I would be ready to seriously maim someone who killed my dog in a slow painful way such as poisoning. Not that my dog actually attacks anything.

Personally, I would attempt to teach the dog that attacking you will result in pain. If you can get your hands on a cattle prod or taser then give it a zap. Otherwise just some citric acid dissolved in water in a spray bottle. Squirt some in the dogs eyes and it will run away. Either that or it'll launch into a rabid frenzy and tear out your larynx.

[stanfield]

Mr.Loud : I don't kill something who didn't attack me, I'm no so crual but theses fucking dogs are serioulsly boring me ! (third time !!!)

In the other hand, I really love your citric acid method :) (it's easy)
So, citric acid in water is lacrymogen ? right ? ok, but what's the ratio ? I think I must dissolve citric acid in water until saturation ? right too ?
thanx !

[xoo1246]

hrrrff.... Don't kill the dog. Solve the problem some other way.

[mongo blongo]

Ricin can be easily made at home from Caster Beans. It is incredibly toxic! Less than a milligram is enough to kill several people!
As I understand it is a protein that is not toxic itself but is a catalyst which triggers a chain reaction in the body. It takes about a week or two to kill someone.
There is a patient on the synthesis of it and it's on NBK's PDF.
I wouldn't mess with this though!
In my opinion you would have to be crazy to try and make this!
I would try and solve this another way.
If you are attacked again then kick the dog in the throat. This will make the dog think twice!

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[stanfield]

There are TWO dogs ! If I kick one, the second will kick my tiny ass !

Personaly, I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING against pets but these dogs are completely CRAZY ! you must watch them to believe me !

so, I NEVER killed someone, I'm not bad but the owner is really bloody ! He must keep his dogs IN his ownership, these dogs are always OUT, they are in the public way !

One day, a child will come and theses two stupid dogs will eat it ! And on top of that, I never, never, never saw the owner !!!
So, these dogs are in the public way, they are extremely bad and the owner is always away ! nice work !

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[xoo1246]

In that case. Chocolate is toxic to dogs and will die if they eat too much off it. The active substance in the choclate is theobromide.
Read more at: http://www.chocolate.org/dogs.html http://mirabos.bham.ac.uk/ukclub/toxicchoc.htm
Well do some searching yourself.
Still I think you should try to find a more "humane" solution.

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[stanfield]

thanx !
ok, I will let us a last chance but next time they attack me, they are dead...

[xoo1246]

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[PYRO500]

Using EG as a poison is not as cruel as others, and it doesn't take long, in people they act as though drunk and collapse, no suffering.

[bangandow]

Chocolate is really not a good way to go about poisoning the dog. I've seen dogs with a massive sweet tooth when it comes to chocolate and they never get sick. My own dog has eaten a huge bag of Hershey's Kisses (wrapper and all) that was accidentally left out, and he never got noticeably sick.

You really shouldn't kill the dogs to start off with. Try some non-lethal methods before you resort to puppy-murder. Tazers are always good, or they make a sort of doggy-mace that you might be able to pick up where you live. Or just kick them in the snout; they won't mess with you after that.

[PYRO500]

Uh, ther's two dogs, kicking any dog will not get you anywhere, dogs are very pain tolerent, there have been reports of people shooting dogs up to 6 times (before severing something vital for immediate survival) and them still coming after the person.

[A-BOMB]

Just double tap the dog in the base of the skull/upper neck area with a 9mm or a .22 mag
but I prefer my .22 hornet raging hornet revoler myself. But I'll take a .380, 9mm, 10mm auto, .22mag anyday. Opps I forgot that you don't got a gun, well you were at the old forum so you should remember the "pocket dragon" flame throught theard right? Well if not, the "pocket dragon" was a can of ether starting fluid with one of those pistols grips for a can of spray paint, and a pencil torch taped on front. Easy, just go out and sit down and wait for them. Dogs aren't fire proof just like pigs, swat, sas, queirpier, and totse.

[DBSP]

Personally I'd put a buckshot in each of them. I know the feeling of getting attacked by a dog I was attacked once when i was younger, it bit me in the thie. luckily I wore two pairs of trousers so I only got a Big bruice. I live neighbor with two rotweilers and I wouldn't hesitate to shoot them if they got hostail. And I have a dobberman walking by my house allmost every day. Not lose though.

Is it a populated area were you got attacked?

[Lagen]

Ethylene glycol is not that much poisonous. Look at the LD's of ethyl alcohol, they're about the same. And ethylene glycol induces very intense vomiting, so it would not be absorbed that well.

I'm not suggesting you kill the dogs, but to answer your question: If you want a powerful poison that's easy to make at home, try dinitrobenzene. It's toxicity is on the order of cyanide. If you can't get a few grams of benzene (cause you don't want more!) try nitrating some really IMPURE toluene, it usually contains benzene. But watch out for the DIY stores etc. chemicals! The toluene I'm getting from a hobby shop has been found to be 99.7%, purer than any RG stuff around! (Except HPLC.) All of the dinitrates produced have a strong and persisting almond like smell, the last time I made this the almond flavor was around for about a week, regardless of ventilation. And of course, be careful!

[stanfield]

DBSP, no, this is not a populated area, if you're under attack, nobody can help you, this is precisely who frighten me !

[A-BOMB]

What did I say dogs aren't flame proof.
trust me dogs hate fire my neighbors mastif freaks if I even light a match within 10 feet of him the that goes for alot of dogs I've seen they all seem to be firephobic to some extent so fire is the way to go. Even a bottle of lighter fluid and a zippo will do, just squeeze and light.

[mr_evil]

Hey,
why don't you inject some Co2 or something.. everyone knows what happens when Co2 reases the hart...BENG

personally i love dogs, maybe that is because of i have an tiny one :), about 60cm. long and 50cm high.. damn, if someone kill her, i kill the guy who did it :mad:

o yeah,
not very long ago, a stupid maniac has put battery acid aka diluted H2SO4 over a dog, really horrible :( it was in a town not far frome here..maybe i go look and see who did this.. :rolleyes:

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[nbk2000]

Why make it so complicated?

Just use hydrofluoric acid (rust remover), add baking soda till it stops fizzing, then dry to a powder.

A gram of that will kill a human being, should be more than enough for a dog.

If you can get to the dogs while they're fenced, use a syringe to inject it into them.

You can use a bike pump with a ball inflating needle (filed to a point) to inject a water solution of the sodium fluoride poison into them when they snap at you through the fence.

[VX]

Make some picric acid; find a use for most of it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ,

Then if you must, use what you have left on the dog (at least a few grams). Picric (TNP) is very similar in toxicity to DNP.
Doubt you would be able to get the dog to eat it though as it is 'intensely bitter'. You could wrap it in something though so the dog doesn’t taste it. Picric acid is not only similar in toxicity to cyanide, they work the same way, both act as respiration inhibitors. So in theory the dog should just fall asleep.

P.S. I once saw a biology video, where they killed a tree fully grown oak tree with 500ml of saturated solution of picric acid, in just a few days. The tree was supported with scaffolding, and the bottom section of the trunk was completely removed leaving the tree 'floating' in mid air. A large container was put under the tree and filled with water until the water level was above the bottom of the trunk. The picric acid was then added, and a few days later the tree was dead.

Come to think of it, couldn't you just blow the dog up!!

That was longer than I anticipated it being...

[vulture]

Boiling blood and KOH or K2CO3 yields some KCN, it will be impure but who cares if it's being used as a poison....
How about injecting methanol or diluting it in water and let the dog drink it?

A solution of lead(II)nitrate should be fairly poisonous, as all soluble lead(II) salts.

[Detonator]

By the way what is the lethal ammount of KCN for a human?
And what about if you add H2SO4 to it?

[Detonator]

NBK are you sure about NaF that 1g is enough to kill a man?

I did a fast search and found:
Basis for original (SCP) IDLH: No data on acute inhalation toxicity are available on which to base the IDLH for fluorides. The chosen IDLH, therefore, has been estimated from the human acute lethal dose of 5 grams of sodium fluoride [Largent 1961 cited by AIHA 1965]

You can read it all:http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/idlh/fluoride.html

[Jumala]

Hallo Stanfield,

I got 500g NaN3 last month. It is a T+ category poison.

To make KCN you can rapidly heat some Potassiumhexacyanferrat III.
(yellow Bloodsalt, I don´t know the english name)

It decomposes to KCN and Ironoxid.

[mongo blongo]

If you had some NaN3,you could make some Hydrogen Azide with H2SO4 which has similar effects as Hydrogen Cyanide! But again, you would have to be crazy to make this!

[nbk2000]

I'm using the LD on NaF from memory. But it would surely be less than 5 grams if you directly injected it, rather than fed it to the beasts.

If you made the fluoride salt, you could then distill off pure HF acid using lead tubing. Dilute to less than 50% and spray the mutts. The acid would be absorbed without visible burning, and cause calcium block of the heart muscle of the dog.

Slow, painful, and difficult to detect. <img src="http://assaultweb.net/ubb/icons/icon18.gif" alt="" />

[FragmentedSanity]

carry a big stick.
or better - a telescopic baton. Learn how and where to swing it and its good against all kinds of critters.

but do you really need to kill the dog?
you have to know that doing that will have repurcussions - people get really attached to their pets.
and what ind of dog are they? IM betting they arent anything special - because if youve been attacked when unarmed by two determined dogs of any real consequence... well lets just say you havent coz your still typing.
Poison isnt the best solution.
Learn a bit about dog behavior so you know what to avoid.
if you must why not just zap the puppy with some ammonia solution - those dogs will think your the bggest baddest mofo on the planet.
or there is dogs natural fear of fire as already pointed out.

if worst comes to worst and you can do nothing else - grab both its front legs and rip apart - youll break the legs at least - and likely kill. drop and move on to the next dog. JUst make sure you dont loose your footing - and try and avoid bending down too far, coz once its got you on the ground - its reduced you to its level - and it has all the leverage, so to put it politely your FUBAR

but just as a point of interest (I wuldnt try this for defence against a dog) there was a dog that always barked and snapped through as fence at me - one day this was too much so I retalliated
empty a party popper of its streamers - fill with pepper - recap. I put it in a cardboard tube to make it a bit more directional. I walked back past he fence with the stupid fucking German Shepherd and when it started snarling and such I stopped looked calmly and let off the popper in its ugly snout.
dog didnt give me much of a problem after that.

Now I realise that all dogs are differnet and for all I know your talking about chi-wow-rats or some other pathetic excuse for a rodent people have the gall to call dog.
I have been around dogs all my life, lots of dogs - and lots that were used for hunting (Pig Dogs) and thats why I question as to whether you have actually been "attacked"
but all that aside - if the dogs are feral - or their "owner" isnt up to scratch then they may really be a pest. if youve exausted all other avenuse then kill them - just do it quickly and definitively - IE make sure of the target and make sure the job is done right.
IMO (lets face it my opinion aint humble by any means) poison isnt rigt for what you want.

[a_bab]

To be atacked by a dog in my oppinion means to be biten, wright ? Lots of dogs just bark, jump near you and so on, because they can feel that you are afraid. And they like this.
So don't kill the dog(s), try some tear gas method if you are very afraid of them. Dogs are very tollerable to pain - that's true - but they can be frighten very easy with something unknown to them. Try with a LOUD firecracker, as it will work for sure.

[Bitter]

Energy84 :

"I thought rat poison was the same as blood thinner. I've always been told that by my dad and my old chemistry teacher. I don't know exactly which chem it is, but I'm sure that if you look on the box, you'll find something that says what the active ingredient is. Once the dog's blood is "thinned" enough, it'd just need to get bumped or lightly cut and it'd bleed to death..."

No. Rat poison (warfarin) is useless. If a human ingests warfarin, it will stimulate a vomit reflex, just like salt water does. The same will happen if a dog is fed warfarin too. Rats, however, do not have this reflex, so when they ingest the poison, they just die. The only way warfarin would have any effect is if it was injected, but there are far better things to inject than that...

[VX]

If you are going to inject it anyway, about the most effective and easy method would be simply to inject it with a syringe full of air!

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[Anthony]

I agree, waste them. They're obviously a pest and a danger to other members of the public. Just because you might do something to make them leave you alone, what about everyone else who won't know how to behave around them. The owner is responsible for controlling the dogs, if he doesn't then they must be controlled for him.

Whatever you do, substitute distance of application for lack of suffering. You don't want a solution that is very humane but means you have to put yourself in danger by getting close. Since you're in a remote area a gun would be good, let it run and then hit it with a 12bore, or maybe claymores...

I don't like dogs, they're stupid, dependant, beggars and often smelly.

[nbk2000]

I'm a cat person myself. I've had the "privilege" of having to take care of a hundred pound rotweiler for several months. This experience just reaffirmed my lifelong hatred of dogs.

To me, large unrestrained dogs (no chain or fence) are like loaded guns that can point and fire themselves. DANGEROUS!

Idiots who have rottweilers, great danes, and other large breed dogs and let them run loose should be mauled by a pack of the same kinds of dogs to let them know just how dangerous they are.

Dogs (to me) can never be pets, only tools. To track someone down, to defend property, to attack, or such tasks. It is expendable. I'd send a dog with a bomb strapped to its back, knowing it's going to die, without a moments hesitation, even if I had it for years.

Remember the end of the movie "The Boys from Brazil"? The cloned hitler kid siced a pack of dobermans on Dr. Mengela and tore him apart. That's what dogs are for. Cats are for petting, dogs are for killing and dying.

Besides, a cat can take out a dog. I had an older cousin who had a pit bull that chased one of my older cats up a tree. Well, the cat jumped out of the tree right onto the dogs face and clawed out both its eyes, blinding it. <img src="http://assaultweb.net/ubb/icons/icon18.gif" alt="" />

The dog was put down.

Mind you, this cat was found by my mom one day in our house, and when see went to pet it, it snagged her eyelid with a claw. She spent a couple of minutes being VERY nice to the kitty till she could get loose.

:)

My kind of cat! :D

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[FragmentedSanity]

well - I dont agree.
IMO Stanfield has said nothing to show that these dogs are any danger - other than his opinion. For all we know hes talking about a couple to little fox terriers (full grown to maybe 10/12 inches high if you need a reference) which - altho they can be a bit annoying generally just make a lot of noise.
Now if he had said something like "this looser down the road has these two pitbull looking psycho dogs that he never feeds and never even ties up..... etc etc"
but all we have is a vague description of "dogs" that alledegdly wiegh 60 - 70 kg (is amazing how fear can distort fact), and his word that a letter (I hate to see people to go to such _exhaustive_ measures without getting what they want) was written without result.
Did you try calling the local authorities and demanding action - dangerous dogs are a real threat and as such not a matter that will be ignored.
But - ill say again that poison isnt the way to do this.
If your in even a semi rural area (its been said its somewhat out of the way) people are likeley to know of your actions - or may suspect you of it. Also in these areas you dont want to go leaving baits around - too innaccurate - is like spinning wildly in a circle firing a gun - the only thing you can be reasnobly sure of is that it isnt going to hit you....
now you read the forum - and Ill assume you look at more than the pretty pictures - so you know how to - or have access to the info on how to make weapons of deadly force - for close range or disatnce application.

now if you could get a fast acting poison that would kill the dog upon injection and you could then safely dispose of (burn) the body then it wouldnt be so bad - but you really dont sound like you want to get up close and personal with these puppies so that method is out

give us some more info - and if I thnk its warranted Ill help you find a way to kill them myself - but one thats safe and less likle to get you busted.
what I mainly want to know is what kind of 60/70 kg dogs someone "tiny" could outrun or defened themselves from. Dogs are an animal that deserve respect (well some dogs)they are intelligent and dedicated and supremely loyal. To me it sounds like youve come across a playful labrador and dont know how to handle it.
and Im hoping your english was a bit off here - but your reason for killing them is boredom????
even fascists have (usually) better (in their minds) reasons for niggerstomping (and no offence but that always seemed brainless to me)

lastly - your beef is with the owner - not the dogs, talk to him and tell him that if he dosent at least muzzel the dogs in future you will take matters into your own hands as you will not be attacked again. (seriously tho Im interested in hearing about what this "attack" consisted of) and if the prick is as crazy as you say - carry a knife and know how to use it and prey he takes a swing so you can claim self defence (you need someone to corroborate this for you so take a trusted friend - besides you wouldnt want to be going to talk to a nutter with large dogs alone anyway)
but Ive said my peice... and youll do whatever you want to regardless - but I urge you to think hard - how many people said "if someone killed my dog Id kill them" and how many people do you know who say the same.

[Machiavelli]

How about using something nonlethal? Pepperspray, Teargas, Stunguns, there are so many options that teach the dogs a lesson without killing them.
What if people find out who killed the dogs? Do you think a judge will say "Oh well, you brewed up your own poison to kill some dogs and cops found bomb making equipment and chemicals at your home plus books on how to make bombs and kill people. Guess you should just apologize and then you're free."?

[A_W]

Paintguns hurt! Trust me, I know ;-) If you could get your hands on a semi-automatic paintballmarker (and a fast triggerfinger!), the dogs will probably run away the next time they see you. Especially if you get them in the face/eyes at a close range. The only problem would be your neigbours (assuming that you have some) hearing the noise, and seing you walking around with a "gun". Maybe you could carry it in a plasticbag or something!

[Anthony]

You might be able to scare the dog if it wasn't being aggressive, same way that a cat will avoid you if you squirt it with a water pistol. But a charging dog pumped full of adrenaline isn't going to even feel it, same way as people describe shooting dogs (with a firearm) and them not stopping.

I once heard of a cat killing a decent sized dog by hanging underneath it from its chest and tearing out its throat. Cats are cool, there's a reason most dogs are scared of them, they're small spiteful and have very sharp claws, they don't take shit either, if you're bothering them they just swipe you.

[PYRO500]

what about throwing gasoline or something similar on them, then you can guess what to do next

[Polverone]

I am not a fan of killing anybody's pets... But while we are on the topic of easy poisons, why not mention barium chloride? 1 g is the estimated human lethal dose (this according to JT Baker MSDS; don't have Merck with me) and it is dirt cheap/simple to make. Obtain barium carbonate from ceramics supplier, neutralize with HCl to get the soluble/poisonous barium chloride. I got a bunch of barium carbonate for free just because I knew a ceramics instructor who didn't want to have toxic materials around. Even if you have to pay it is not at all expensive. I imagine that mixing a few grams of this in some some "special" meatballs would work pretty effectively. Do the police investigate pet killings where you are?

[kingspaz]

my dog ate a load of rat poison once. somehow he survived even though he'd eaten enough to kill him 5 times over, said the vet. she expected him to die but he didn't :D ....but seriously, poisoning is fucking cruel. do you have an airsoft gun? why not go at it with a full auto electric gun? the 12 stings per second will scare them off.

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[Azazel]

killing a dog hey... mmmmmmmmmm
your kinda like assassinating them yea... thats pretty cool dude... if i were you i would put on a black ninja gi and grab yer gloves, flashbangs, and garotte wire... roll around in dirt for a couple hours too... then jump the fence and sneak over to the dogs... if they come sniffing a quick stab the to bottom of their snout proceeding to the upper region of the throat. Then sever the artery in the neck which supplies blood to the brain...

If you get close enough to the dog without detection rip out the garotte wire and choke the little bastard to death.

If none of these ideas appeal to you, you could choose an alternate method. Go to the pound and buy some male pitbulls or other fighting dog. Train the bitch to attack and be loyal to you. Duel the other guys dogs with your new pittbulls. That would be cool too b/c u could video tape the whole fight

Or you could frag the dogs

I dont suggest any of these b/c obviously im off my tree at the moment and yes have a lovely day :D :p

[TariqMujahid]

Sorry to bring up an old topic... But I was reading through the forums yesterday, came across this post, and there was a reply that suggested making Sodium Fluoride using Hydrofluoric Acid and Sodium Bicarbonate.

Would combining HF with NaOH also achieve this? HF + NaOH => H20 + NaF? Also, I have some Ammonium Bifluoride (NH4FHF) solution I have from a wheel cleaner. I've heard that Ammonium Bifluoride is very similar to Hydrofluoric Acid...so, could I combine this with Baking Soda to make NaF? Also, an interesting note about Ammonium Bifluoride...combining it with acids creates Hydrogen Fluoride gas, while combining it with a base makes Ammonia Gas. So, if it won't work, I suppose I could collect the HF fumes.

[shooter3]

This is a surefire way to stop and keep them away from you. Load a polyethylene squirt gun with turpintine. Have a hamburger ball with you. When the dog/dogs run up to you, stop and offer the burg with your left hand(outstretched to the side). With your squirt gun in your right hand, give it a good shot in the bunghole. You won't believe your eyes when you see what happens! The next time you go running put a small drop of turp. on the bottom of your shoes. If you ever see the dog again(I don't think you will!)it will stop when it smells the turp. I've seen this done. It works.

[ronald]

It would be nice to know, what did happen with those dogs in the end?

Im having the same problem. There are two bums living near by. They have two huge dogs and 2-3 cats. The dogs are always free and they arent agressive to people, but they are agressive to other dogs. My friend saw how they almost killed one dog, who was chained to a post by the owner, who went to a shop. The owners of the two dogs let their pets to do whatever they wanted and in the end the other dog was badly bleeding. One day, this can happen to my dog too. Since pre-emptive strikes are so fashinable nowdays, id like to do something with those dogs. A gun is a very bad idea, but im thinking of using some kind of poising and injecting it to them. Getting rid of the owners of those dogs wouldnt be a bad idea neither, they stink :mad: But i wouldnt do anything like that, never ever.

[xyz]

I can second what some people have said about dogs not feeling pain when they are pissed off.

There was a case a round where I live a few years ago where a cop had to put 6 rounds of .38 special into a dog to stop it (the 6th round hit it's head, lucky, because the cop was using a 6 shot revolver).

Also, poison might be a little suspicious if both dogs happened to drop dead within a few days of each other, it would be better if you used a method by which you could get rid of the bodies somewhere (very difficult, if the dogs are as heavy as you say they are).

[jimmyboy]

chocolate is suppose to be a poison but its not very effective -- the dogs chase you? -- trap them -- use a car -- run through both doors they will come straight for you - the close one and then the other the dogs will be busy trying to get through the farside door - on second thought maybe a casting net or a choke stick would be better - by the way i hear that feeding dogs peanut butter will stop them for awhile -- then haul them off to the next county -- killing them would be a last resort (antifreeze)

[tmp]

I hate dogs and love cats. My 2 cats have beat the shit out of pitbulls.
Don't underestimate a dog because of its size. My grandmother had a
chihuahua. That little bitch used to attack me on my Achille's tendon.
The only reason I didn't kill the little barking rat is because I loved my
grandmother. Of the methods discussed in this thread I like the idea
of ammonia or flaming ether. I'll remember this the next time a fucking
mutt comes after me. Thanks for tips gang !

[SmallR2002]

Try sulpher dioxide bubled through a solution of water and msg (monosodium glutimate). Add a few flavourings etc, and get it to them as you can.

[NightStalker]

Like a dog is going to drink sulphurated water. BLECH!

Use windshield deicer, like the kind that comes in an aerosol can and that has ethylene glycol dissolved in methanol, and boil off the methanol, to leave the sweet (but toxic) EG behind as a drinkable puddle for the mutts to find. ;)

If they have a water bowl, that's the place to put it.

[Chemiboy]

Finding a venomous animal or insect and take its venom out.
Then make a blow dart, put some venom on it, stick it in a tube and blow it in the dog.
After a short while it will be gone. ;)

I generally like dogs.... :)

[langg]

i think giving cyanide to the dog may be easier :) it is also easily available i have used it my self to kill a dog
he died in 12 to 15 min. :D

[akinrog]

Sorry for reviving an old thread again,

However when I saw the post made by Chemiboy, I remembered a documentary film I watched on a documentary channel (Discovery IIRC).

On this documentary there was a family who are feeding blackwidow spiders in their basement!!! In addition, this was a job for them. They were not only feeding/raising blackwidows but also milking their venoms by first giving them CO2 (to faint them, since they are dangerous and aggressive) and litghtly electrocuting to milk their venoms from their hooks. Then they were selling the venom to various companies to make sera for blackwidow venom. I believe majority of forum members are Americans and the blackwidows are native to USA. You may give it a try. :D

[arnold]

IS the KCN a good poison for bullets or shrapnell?

[Apotheosis]

What's the easiest poison to make ? Could I have the synthesis ? I would like a poison which is able to kill a big dog (60-70kg)


Nitrile also can release and is relatively more stable than cyanide such as KCN or NaCN. Nitrile can be obtain through amide degradation.

[kamaz]

Yes, but they have a higher lethal dose.

[Syke]

To stay on the topic of animal removal Antifreeze/engine coolant is great for killing wildlife. Stupid animals love drinking the shit theyll even fight over it. I know it works because my grandfather got rid of some cats that were shitting in his yard by putting a dish out for them. Also replace birdshot with rocksalt and shoot the stupid things. If it doesent kill em the salt dissolves in about 1-2 days.

[meyer25]

If you can't get arsenic trioxide, alcalic cyanides, thallium and the like, I would suggest to look in local agrochemical suppliers catalogue.
Pick up highly toxic pesticides with no or little odor or taste.

Following are particulary effective for poisoning baits:
-carbofuran (Furadan 5G or 10G)
-aldicarb (Temik 10G)
these two carbamate insecticides are readily available in many countries, both are very fast, potent and reliably acting poisons.

further, there is a plenty of commercial rodenticides that are effective in poisoning all warm-blooded animals, such as zinc phosphide (has garlic-like smell, but in low concetrations, this is not detterent for most animals), bromethaline and anticoagulants brodifacoum, flocoumafen and difethialone.

In the case of anticoagulants, I suggest to use concentrates (0,25 or 0,125%) rather than commercialy available ready-to-use baits because the concentrates don't contain any bitter detterents like Bitrex, plus, one can prepare a highly potent bait with less stuff.

[sanguine raptor]

Using poisons, especially cholinesterase inhibitors like the carbamate insecticides against mammals is exceptionally cruel and dangerous if you only want them to leave you alone.

A taser would be just as effective, and safer for both the animal and the user. I think Taser International has designed animal tasers, but a human taser would probably be just as effective for an animal like a 70kg dog.

Using pesticides such as carbofuran in an urban area is probably illegal in many places, not to mention using them on other people's pets.

[meyer25]

Using poisons, especially cholinesterase inhibitors like the carbamate insecticides against mammals is exceptionally cruel and dangerous if you only want them to leave you alone.

A taser would be just as effective, and safer for both the animal and the user. I think Taser International has designed animal tasers, but a human taser would probably be just as effective for an animal like a 70kg dog.

Using pesticides such as carbofuran in an urban area is probably illegal in many places, not to mention using them on other people's pets.

This thread is about poisoning dogs, like it or not. It's not "which Taser would be most effective".

Sure it's illegal in most countries to poison pets. So is making and using explosives and many other compounds mentioned on this forum.

[nmp2]

I know this thread is way out of date, so I hope the situation has been resolved. I hate the idea of taking out the dogs, but leaving the owners untouched - but, in order to stay on topic....

1) Hearing aid or watch batteries concealed in food. I understand one of these will drop a 200 lb human in a few hours. (Lithium, Mercury Oxide, or Zinc-Air? Be more specific. NBK)

2) Potassium Cyanide is OTC available from full service photo/darkroom supply shop. Ask for "Farmer's Reducer". If you tell them you want to make your own reducer, they carry Kodak quart jars of this stuff. (Not thinking of ferrocyanide, are you? NBK)

3) For dogs, you can't beat pre-prepared whole, roasted chickens. Pick up one or two at almost any supermarket. Dogs will stop almost any action to wolf one down. One of two things happens - you will either have just made a tentative friendship with the dog, or it will get those little rib bones stuck in it's throat, choke and die on the spot.

I lost a dog to this method once. Not pretty.

[nmp2]

NBK - Thank's for keeping me accurate.

I had a couple of quart jars of Kodak's "potassium ferrocyanide", and the pre-prepared Farmer's reducer (2 envelopes, potassium ferricyanide in one, and Sodium Thiosulfate, anhydrous in the other).

As to the batteries, I'll have to check.

[Olib]

If I would want to kill a dog I would use xylitol. It´s extremely easy to get a hold of (I can get it at my local grocery store).

It´s a sweetener with roughly the same sweetness as sugar so you could probably feed it to the dog straight up. If fed to dogs the xylitol will develop a sudden drop in blood sugar, resulting in depression, loss of co-ordination,seizures,and ultimately death.

The only problem is that the dog would have to consume very large amounts of it, 25-33 grams(estimates for such a large dog), but then again it is sweet, so I guess they would eat it.

Hope I helped.

[Hirudinea]

If I would want to kill a dog I would use xylitol.

Why not just use Chocolate? The theobromine in the chocolate will either kill the dog or make it very sick and aparently dogs like the taste of chocolate once they get used to it, also what could be easier and less suspicisous to carry than chocolate? A quick google search said 1 oz. of bakers chocolate for 10 lbs. of body weight will kill a dog, smear a little spam on it (carry a sandwich) and you've got a perfect dog poison! If the cops stop you of course, you just eat the evidence, try that with most other poisons!

[vod8750]

How about trying potassium chloride?

I dont know about dogs but a syringe of KCl dissolved in water injected into the bloodstream will cause cardiac arrest within minutes in humans. Surely it cant be that different for dogs?

You could try curing meat in KCl and feeding it to them. It probably wouldnt be as effective as an injection but it should still work.

[FUTI]

to vod8750: If you have ever tasted KCl you would know that idea is imposible...that taste is awfull! Injection does work indeed...but I guess dog would bite you if you try to inject that to him...as I suspect that something that cause death by depolarising muscle/neurons will be very unpleasant to anyone including dogs. Good choice of poision though...you need to work on the little details.

to nmp2: the thing you want to use as a source of cyanide is the same compound people convert cyanide to when they want to make it harmless...so it look like a very unlikely source of cyanide to me. Couple of guys here (at the forum) could have the skills to (when needed) utilise that compound as source of cyanide...but that should be some desperate hours to try to use that.

[Skean Dhu]

Well The oral LD50 of KCl for mammals is 3020mg/kg http://www.inchem.org/documents/sids/sids/KCHLORIDE.pdf
and the LDlo(lowest lethal dose) for an adult human given intravenously is IV 0.77 to 0.9 mmol/kghttp://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/pharm/potasscl.htm#SectionTitle:7.2%20Toxicity
But as mentioned KCl taken orally in all likelyhood tastes horrible, I'd imagine it would taste very bitter and very salty(it is a main ingredient for salt substitutes afterall). Also in humans taking large quantities of KCl orally induces vomiting. I don't know how dog physiology will react to it, just something to take into account.

Edit:Sections of this post were removed due to safety and overall lack of thought that went into the technique described

[BlackFalcoN]

The problem with cyanide salts is that the poisoning effects almost start instantly when administered.

Since the poisoning will cause the animal to yelp/go insane/act unusual the moment you perform your act of 'canicide', that really doesn't provide you with a lot of time to get away in case somebody witnesses your actions.
Although cyanide is a very fast killer, the animal surely will react to it.

Also, the dog's natural reaction to getting liquids on it's fur coat would be to start shaking it's fur to dryness. Do you really want to be that close when airborne CN droplets start flying around in all directions ?

A better way might be to hurl in a small piece of meat with poison at night (or whenever the dog is asleep), and let the dog find it's "reward" when he wakes up, long after you have made your departure.

[Gerbil]

Antifreeze/engine coolant is great for killing wildlife. Stupid animals love drinking the shit theyll even fight over it. I know it works because my grandfather got rid of some cats that were shitting in his yard by putting a dish out for them.

*raises hand* If anyone's granddaddy decided to poison my cats with antifreeze, they would run the risk of ending up in a bin bag at the bottom of a river.
Just a heads-up that people will seek revenge if you kill their pets ;) .
Also, in my opinion, people who decimate wildlife for fun should be removed from the gene pool...but I think that most people would stop short of murder themselves.

As for getting rid of psychopathic dogs, chocolate wouldn't work very well as it's not that poisonous. Although, if you got the dog to eat enough, the owners probably wouldn't assume it was the work of somebody else.

[c.Tech]

The problem with cyanide salts is that the poisoning effects almost start instantly when administered.

Since the poisoning will cause the animal to yelp/go insane/act unusual the moment you perform your act of 'canicide', that really doesn't provide you with a lot of time to get away in case somebody witnesses your actions.
Although cyanide is a very fast killer, the animal surely will react to it.


Another idea to beat this problem could be to give the dog an oral general anesthetic (which will have to be able to affect dogs) maybe mixed with other sleep inducing substances to be sure the dog will stay asleep and a poison which will take longer to kick in than the anesthetic.

When the dog goes into a deep slumber he can’t warn possible future witnesses.

As for getting rid of psychopathic dogs, chocolate wouldn't work very well as it's not that poisonous. Although, if you got the dog to eat enough, the owners probably wouldn't assume it was the work of somebody else.

Then get chocolate with more theobromine in it (I’m assuming dark) and if you can’t come to a conclusion of the chocolate is strong enough to kill the dog, strengthen it.

Making an extract with 2 blocks, melt the third and add the extract. (By this time I probably would have eaten it all, and the extracts ;))

[Hirudinea]

As for getting rid of psychopathic dogs, chocolate wouldn't work very well as it's not that poisonous.

Then get chocolate with more theobromine in it (I’m assuming dark) and if you can’t come to a conclusion of the chocolate is strong enough to kill the dog, strengthen it.


Here is a list I got from a dogownersdigest.com.

Knowing which chocolate is the most toxic is important, but leaves one wondering how much must be eaten to poison a dog. The list in this box should be helpful.

White chocolate: 200 ounces per pound of body weight. It takes 250 pounds of white chocolate to cause signs of poisoning in a 20-pound dog, 125 pounds for a 10-pound dog.

Milk chocolate: 1 ounce per pound of body weight. Approximately one pound of milk chocolate is poisonous to a 20-pound dog; one-half pound for a 10-pound dog. The average chocolate bar contains 2 to 3 ounces of milk chocolate. It would take 2-3 candy bars to poison a 10 pound dog. Semi-sweet chocolate has a similar toxic level.

Sweet cocoa: 0.3 ounces per pound of body weight. One-third of a pound of sweet cocoa is toxic to a 20-pound dog; 1/6 pound for a 10-pound dog.

Baking chocolate: 0.1 ounce per pound body weight. Two one-ounce squares of bakers' chocolate is toxic to a 20-pound dog; one ounce for a 10-pound dog.

So 12 ozs of bakers chocolate should be able to take down a great dane, and you can get 12 oz bars of bakers chocolate at any supermarket, and although its unsweetened dogs don't seem to have as much of a sweet tooth as humans so they should eat it. Not that I advocate posioning dogs (much better to posion their owners) but I'm just adding some information.

[simply RED]

Thanks to the United Soviet States of Ammerica and the eco-freak organizations directly sponsored by CIA - strey dogs are a great problem in the 3rd world. I barely have been eaten once but a taxi driver came with the car and dispersed them. The next day I bought NaF.

I've tried some ways to get rid of them:
BaCl2 - needs many times feeding to kill, rarely kills from the 1st time even if "LD100" is administrated orally.
NaF - same
NaF.HF - same
CdO - same
Cd(NO3)2 - same
Hg(CH3COO)2 - same
K2Cr2O7 - effective through the skin
conc.H2SO4 - effective on the skin
Malathion 50% - 2ml injection - immediate death
Clenbuterol - a small dog ate 20 tabs. It fell unconscious in 20-30 mins and I did it with a big stone.

Next thing I will try will be a mix of 10tabs Clenbuterol and 2-3 grams caffeine or theobromine, it should be synergic posion - they both excite the nervous system.

All poisonous bites were prepared by wetting the material in cooking oil and mixing it in ultrafine minced meat.

[Gerbil]

simply RED, I hope that you're joking about pouring sulphuric acid on dogs.

IMO, you have some serious psychiatric issues.

[simply RED]

You hope for me, for the dogs or for yourself?

Before an hour there was a program on the official TV channel that claimed USA and some EU organisations directly fund eco-freaks! The aim is to keep all kinds of pest in our cities. When thousands of acres forest are cut, the big brother is not watching, when a shit kicking strey dog is killed - United Snakes makes it an international issue! There are about 30000 strey dogs in Sofia. "The problem will not be solved because the eco-freaks get direct funding from EU and USA" - sayed on the TV!

During the evil communism parasite worms were almost 100% eradicated in BG. Now they come back again!

There were like 10 strey dogs in the front of the flat I lived once. How do you get it? You can not go out after 8pm! I poisoned all the dogs with NaF and the survived sprayed with H2SO4.
If those green peace are against my experiments with animals, I welcome them to volunteer!

[Gerbil]

What do you define as an "eco-freak"? Someone who lives in a tree, never washes and smokes pot all day, or just someone who's opposed to sadistic cruelty?

Even if you are hounded by packs of rabid dogs after the sun sinks below the horizon, spraying them with H2SO4 is fairly sick. Killing them is one thing, torture is another. What gives you the right to cause suffering in that way?

Can I suggest that you buy a gun?

The 'eco-freaks' are funded because they fail to see how causing torment and pain is justified in this world. Sure, suffering is a part of life. But since when have two wrongs made a right?

At any rate, I question the effectiveness of acid sprays as an effective means of pest control.

[nbk2000]

Don't disturb my sleep with gunshots when you can simply dissolve the problem in silence. ;) :D

And I'd imagine they're probably not too big on private gun ownership in Bulgaria, am I right Red?

[Chris The Great]

I doubt dogs are quiet when sprayed with sulfuric acid... I know wouldn't be, stings like a bitch!

Nonetheless, the effectiveness of various poisons is interesting. I'm surprised that those dogs are so resiliant to poisoning, however, a lot of those are heavy metals so would take a little time to kick in, correct? I'm no expert on heavy metal poisoning, but considering the numerous warning labels slapped all over the HgCl2 I think it might be something I should read up a bit on.

Good to know that they don't notice (or care?) the chemical mixed into the meat.

[simply RED]

Sorry for shouting in the library...
I will be more polite and explain calmly.

1. Eco-freak is just a polytical activist that does not care for the environment. Of course they are generously funded. It is good that this topic came to discussion - this should be widely known!

2. Their risistance surprised me too. ~10kg dog ate 2,5 grams BaCl2 (LD50 about 100 mg/kg) dispersed in "pate' " , minced swine liver + fat (how is this food called in english?) and survived! Another ate 2 grams NaF and survived too.
There are interesting examples lile: a dog (~5kg) ate 1 gram Hg(CH3COO)2, vomited after 5 mins but died anyway. So in any case do not put more than 2 grams inorganic poison in the bites (I always used ~100-150g bites) because it will be vomited. Anyway with barium it seems like vast quantities remain unnoticed...
The dogs were just laying on the ground in front of the flat. I climbed to the 2nd floor balcony with 200ml H2SO4 and dispersed it on them.
A friend of mine sprayed a dog with potassium chromate/conc.HCl mix directly in the eyes with a medical syringe! It started to squeeeeeek and run in the opposite direction.
With heavy metals soluble salts(Ba+2, Hg+2, Tl+1, As+3) they usually die 7 hours to one day after ingestion (if they die from this ingestion).
(I never tried Tl+1 and As+3 - which are claimed to be the most effective!)
They are very resistant to beating too. I beat one with ~15kg stone several times before it stopped to squeeeeek.
Whan you are put to the wall - last resort techniques go to use! Wish me success with buying 100g caffeine for 2 dolars tomorrow.

[FUTI]

I understand simple RED more then most of you since I know what he is talking about.

There are all sorts of freaks in the developing countries right now. Basically those are guys who are on my scale lower life forms than most lawyers. Lawyers puts their hands in the peoples pockets when they are asked to...but this guys are BIG mouth FIRE SPITING speakers which will defend ANY thesis/idea/strategy/you-name-it, for a right fee of course. It may look like lobist or something similar but you should subtract ethics and moral to get there. It would be nice to take care about animals, but at resonable level. Well developed rich societies/countries can do that since their economy allows making shelters for stray dogs etc. Lie that they hold out of everybody is that they too take care of that problem the same way we do when they where "undeveloped" or better said on the same economical level as most undeveloped countries is today. They want to sell their drugs, vaccines etc. here for treating the same problem they caused in the first place. Can you guys sum up the amount of money country should spend just because number of dog bites rise up due to stray dogs overpopulation? Tetanus, rabies vaccines, little antibiotics just in case...I hope this should give you a clue.

And personally I hate more freaks that speak in the name of "minorities". Not because they do so, someone should always be their representative, but because they do them no good, they just boil the situation for their personal proclamation (to justify the bills to their masters) and even worse, create a victim mentality inside that population, which makes them mentaly assasinated by the same people they expected help from.

Next time use BaCO3...works better and avoid food that is rich in phosphates or sulfates. Use HgCl2 mixed with NaCl too for faster action, or some Sb/Hg mix (now that would be hard to do since Sb is highly emetic but...).

[Cobalt.45]

The only reason dogs would be "laying on the ground in front of the flat" is because they're being fed.

Save some of the the acid and poison for the real vermin- the assholes that feed them.:(

[simply RED]

Is the canine abdomen acidic like human's?

[DeadEvan]

Yes, The Canine stomach is acidic, even moreso than Human stomachs, or So I have read.

http://k9joy.com/RawFoodForDogs/DigestiveSystemExcerpt.pdf

^ Is a bit simplistic, but if your knowledge of the subject matter is simplistic as well, then it doesnt matter.

I dont understand why people let emotions bother their logic, If an Animal is dangerous to another animal, then this is naturally where a fight will commence. The stronger, or smarter animal will win. Simple.

Thanks for the information Simply RED, nothing like First hand accounts when clarifying the effectiveness of poisons in a target.

To the Thread Creator: I suggest digging a nice deep hole, or "grave" if you will, and tempting these roving pests in with some meat, A dark sheet suspended tightly over the hole should do the trick in a dark environment. Then just fill in the hole. You may want to drop something in to make sure they dont climb out (use some of the suggested poisonous gases, rocks, a pole with syringe glued in place on the end, whatever.)

Tweak my idea how you will, a prepared hole takes care of body disposal, and depending how out of the way you dig, removes evidence of foul play. Nobody to get angry at, if your pet just dissappears.

[cyclosarin]

The stomach would be I'm sure.

[cyclosarin]

Is the canine abdomen acidic like human's?

The stomach would be I'm sure.

[paroxysm]

Opting for the humane method, why not try making a loud bang, like a firecracker as dogs are extremely sensitive to sound.

[nbk2000]

Being that wouldn't be a poison, would it?

[DONMAN]

Lead Acetate, easily home made, ORL-DOG LD50 300 mg kg-1, sweet tasting, perfect. All you need is some vinegar and some old lead fishing weights (possibly some heating involved in the process).

[c.Tech]

Not as simple as reacting lead with acetic acid because it won't react.

For the synth of lead acetate I found this amateur website. http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms/Chem_Pb.html This can be made in two ways: one, by reacting lead oxide with acetic acid directly, or by cementating copper acetate with lead metal (displacing copper metal, which flakes off). This alone is kind of interesting because, if the solution is left undisturbed for a while, the lead reacts with only what copper ions can diffuse to it. The lead-heavy solution then remains on the bottom, with the metal. What happens is you get a blue copper layer floating on a clear lead layer!

I don't think it will be easy to get a dog to eat over 300mg/kg even if it like the taste.

[DONMAN]

I read about the romans making lead acetate by boiling grape juice in lead pots. They would collect the grape paste and garnish wine and other things with it. That's why it was called sugar of lead... Although it is very possible that the pots would have had some lead(II)oxide on them. I doubt much more than a gram of Lead acetate was formed in solution though.

I have made lead oxide by putting lead shotgun bbs in a cup of water and letting them sit for about a month, it works pretty well.

[simply RED]

Caffeine / Clenbuterol mix tried. Not quite effective, kills one of 2-3 with 20 tabs clen and 300mg pharmacy grade caffeine(99,9%). Useful only for small dogs as caffeine is extremely bitter and they don't eat it if you put too much.

Seems like you need VX, sarine, strychine, fluoroacetate etc. class poison to have 100% killing rate.

I'm not living surrounded by this pest right now... doh...
Interesting to spot that in some places people managed to "cope" with this pest without "permission" from
the polyti..., aaaa eco organizations.

[tiac03]

Simply RED why don't you just forget about the poisoning and do what the Canadian Peace keepers did in Cyprus (I think it was there). They had a problem with stray dogs carrying disease, so they took bats drove long nails into them, and drove along the streets swinging at the dogs like Highschool kids at mailboxes (Better results than poison).

As for the dog problem (original poster), file a complaint with the city about dangerous dogs (Include words like children, disease, and uncontrolable). They will send an inspector around and when the dogs do the same thing to him as they do to you, your problem is solved.

Now if these dogs are guard dogs maybe you should stay on the other side of the fence....

[chembio]

I like dogs, but if they are a public hazard then action must be taken! :mad: Here are some suggestions on warding off those dogs:

1- Give them both a faceful of glacial acetic acid. It shouldn't cause any harm. The pungent smell should keep them busy until you escape. (If MY nose burns after accidentally sniffing glacial acetic acid, what more a dog's hyper sensitive nose?) :D This could be done by using a watergun.

2- Avoid this if you can, but paracetamol is toxic to dogs. My vet told me that paracetamol can cause severe health problems to a dog. You'll have to inject them with at least 50 grams, if I remember right.

3- Or try to whack them with a LONG, BIG stick. Be fast, because they might get you first!

Hmmm. Poor doggies... They're in for hell.

[nbk2000]

5 grams of salt-substitue (KCl) injected in the dog will induce a heart attack.

[chembio]

Wow, thanks NBK, never knew that the KCl I've been keeping is that useful. Maybe chloroform would work on those dogs. (I bought the chloroform from a hardware shop near my house. It was sold as a sealing agent :confused: Works fine to KO frogs and rats so far.)

[nbk2000]

KCl is availble in 50 pound sacks as sodium-free water softening salt for water treaters, super cheap.

I know about KCl causing heart-attacks because that's what they use in lethal-injections in prisons. First they paralyze you with succinylcholine chloride (which also stops your breathing), then they hit you with the salt to seize up your heart.

They're supposed to inject you with a barbituate to put you asleep first, but they usually 'accidently-on pupose' fuck it up so you end up paralyzed and suffocating as you feel your heart seize up...then you die. :)

[akinrog]

5 grams of salt-substitue (KCl) injected in the dog will induce a heart attack. 5 gram of that substance shall cause heart attack in any animal (including bipedals). :D

[eelfland]

I like dogs, but living where I have lived, I have been called upon to kill hundreds of them over the last 40 years, most by gunfire. They're also susceptible to a sharp blow to the top of the head with a baseball bat or equivalent. One good whack does the trick every time, to every dog.

If you simply must use poison, then unsweetened baker's chocolate mixed with fat and/or meat will work, but you'll probably need three ounces or more per dog for dogs of that size. An alternative is an ounce of nicotine-based insecticide available at garden centers, served similarly. Try to keep the poison in the interior of the bait, so it smells and tastes better. Still, the dogs may not eat it, or one dog might get it all. Poisons, like bombs, pose problems.

The club is quick, quiet, certain, and humane. No dog is a match for a man with a club. Two dogs are not much more of a challenge, though you might have trouble getting close enough to the second one. If they're not getting close enough for you to use it, then you're not being attacked, but merely threatened. They do this to run you off and protect what they perceive to be their territory.

If their threatening behavior is bothering you, an easy and cheap solution is to carry a water pistol or squirt bottle full or household ammonia to squirt in their faces. They may continue to threaten you after that, but they'll stay out of range.

[Novelist]

Lol, just read the first page and saw a post about ricin (the extremely deadly caster bean protein) i found the patent like 10mins ago while doing some casual poison browsing >:D. Turns out they researched it in both world wars for use as a gas, shrapnel coating and bullet coating. enjoy :)

http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US3060165&QPN=US3060165hive/index.php/t-1561.html

[nbk2000]

In response to the patent posted above:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/nsn/nsn-040723.htm

BTW, that patent is no longer available on the USPTO site. Hmmm...wonder why?

[Fourfifth]

I know this thread is a bit old, but my sisters used to take Tramacet(strong painkiller she used after ear surgery[grommets]) and she used to take half a tablet a day.

One day, our dog, a staff, ate half a tablet and was unconsious for most of the day(at least 14 hours). So, 1 tablet at least should do some damage.

I once took 2 of them before work because of toothache, and by the end of the night I was hallucinating, I could see squirrals running around my feet at 5am :D

Never seen so many squirrals, even if they werent real.

[bobo]

Killing with poison is best done with poisonous plants you know and extract their toxin or if failing that, use powdered plant parts that contain the poison. Some plants kill in small enough quantities to go in without notice... Taxol, amanitine, hyoscamine, etc etc... way more practical than ricin.

[inthekitchen]

My dad had the same problem as you, and it was solved without the nasty business of killing a dog.

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/808/pbpavapeppersprayphotonl9.jpg

Also, a word of caution, a fellow in my neighborhood had the same idea as you and poisoned two dangerous pit-bulls. The owners started a community search and the man was eventually caught and jailed. My dad on the other hand simply sprayed a little of this stuff into the dog's sensitive nose and never got bothered again.

[Bugger]

"Caught and jailed" for "poisoning two dangerous pit-bulls"? He would have a defense against such a criminal charge, in that he did it either in the wider public interest, or to defend himself or others against attacks by the dogs, especially if the dogs had had a history of attacking people. In view of the huge upsurge in attacks on people by pit-bulls and similar dogs such as Staffordshire terrriers here in New Zealand in the past several months (such breeds may soon be banned here as the result), this sort of defense would have a good chance of success if such a charge was ever tried before a jury here.

P.S. Where can pepper-spray cans, containing capsaicin, like those photographed above, be bought?

[inthekitchen]

P.S. Where can pepper-spray cans, containing capsaicin, like those photographed above, be bought?

Online for one, but where I live I typically see them sold in gun stores and I've even seen some at a hardware store. The Actual pepper sprays shown above is made by a South African company and can be ordered from http://www.eliteguns.com/Pepperball/pepper_spray.html via phone.

Other websites that sell capsaicin pepper sprays:

http://www.defensedevices.com/4ozpepperspray.html
http://www.buckscountyoutfitters.com/store/product/45637/Counter-Assault-Self-Defese-Pepper-Spray-with-Jogger-Holster-and-Key-Ring.-1.4-oz/
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/TAC111-48067-1968.html

I got all of these by doing a google product search of "capsaicin defense spray".

[nbk2000]

Avoid the ones that use synthetic capsicums like PAVA. I've heard they're not as effective as the natural extracts.

[Kaydon]

The answer is rat poison, or perhaps anti-freeze for automobiles. Both?