Author Topic: How to find local sassafras trees  (Read 9304 times)

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GOD

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Not very volume and time efficient to do it that ...
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2002, 03:26:00 AM »
Not very volume and time efficient to do it that way.  Oil content in leaves and wood is minimal.  Rootbark!
BTW, this is a LAST resort.  Sass is out there.  Find it quick! (and bee smart about it)
  It still is advisable to at least give this a shot sos ya know you can bee self-sufficient if/when the need arrises.  ALOT of work if one is looking for some quantity.

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Jetson

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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2002, 10:21:00 PM »
ok, so exactly(well you don't exactly have to be exact) how much oil could one extract from the average 4' tree, roots and all?  anyone have any roundabout ideas?

the devil is so lonely >:(

Jetson

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hmm...
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2002, 05:35:00 PM »
now there's a good idea.  fuk cutting the shites down and mashin them up to distill the bark and shite just tap them collect the sap and distill.... hmmmmm....  reminds me of a school field trip swij took a long long time ago to a place where maple syrup came from... mmmmm....  syrup....

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goiterjoe

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it's not really sap
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2002, 08:39:00 PM »
Sassafras trees don't sap up when you cut them.  considering the trees don't really smell like sassafras when you cut them, I doubt you can get oil out of them like a maple or pine tree.  Digging up the roots is probably the best option; just be sure to leave a couple pieces of root in the hole to recolonize the plant.

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Jetson

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« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2002, 04:33:00 PM »
aww damnit there ya go goiter,  funkin up swij's fun...  no that's good to know though.  hah,  least before jetson goes out tappin all the sassy trees on the hill  :P

the devil is so lonely >:(

ChambeRed

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I don't get it,you all afraid of a little ...
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2002, 04:33:00 AM »
I don't get it,you all afraid of a little chemistry?I've been waiting for someone else to bring it up but since no one has....take another route yo!,I don't know about everyone else but I'm a chemist(wannabee)not a botonist,and you sure wouldn't catch me digging up and steam distilling tons of sassy roots when I can just take a couple extra synthetic steps instead.I have 5lbs. of pyrokathechin(catechol) here(whew merlin was dead-on no misstaking the hospital smell)and it's very cheap and nonwatched so learning misstakes are no problemo and from it you can go to safrole or piperonal 8) and while not easy the steps are not too difficult and the reagents not too hard to get to justify digging up fucking roots for gods sake ::) .A bunch of so called chemists scared of a little chemistry :P  ;) .

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goiterjoe

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what are you bitching about
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2002, 06:51:00 AM »
Is a pansy ass chemist afraid of breaking a sweat while doing some manual labor?  We already know a method that works, and we don't mind putting some fucking effort into things that will save us a couple of bucks and keep our names out of some chem companies records.

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pupilage

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Since when
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2002, 07:08:00 AM »
is distilling an organic compound from its source not true chemistry? The Karma thing is what is driving this thread. Why add your name to a list somewhere when with a little nature hike one can keep ones karmatic cool.
This botanical route is just clean fun.

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ChambeRed

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Bitching
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2002, 07:53:00 PM »
Good one goiter and I admit I don't know much about steam distilling sassafras rootbark but it seems so impractical dealing with such industrial quantities of rootbark for a hobbyist's amount of safrole compared to taking a few more synthetic steps.Chemistry is my lifeblood a little more of it can't hurt.I just think bee's should know this is an option and a viable one at that,I know I don't intend to bee caught off gaurd when sassy oil is near immpossible to get or sassafras trees extinct from overharvesting.Peace,Chambered.

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goiterjoe

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Sassafras is root colonizing
« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2002, 03:48:00 AM »
You can't overharvest sassafras trees, as pulling them out of the ground just creates space for another one to grow back in its place from the roots left behind.  Gum trees do the exact same thing, except I can't think of one solitary thing a gum tree is good for.

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cthulhujr

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sassafrass patch
« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2002, 07:50:00 PM »
Swim don't know anything about sassy use. But bets a sassy patch would be easy to start, in about any shady area east of the rocky mountains. Seems like the stuff will take over a little clearing in the woods in a couple of years and bounce right back if it is bush hogged down, kind of a weed-tree really.
 This is only a guess, but could be worth a shot for some. It's very doubtful a sassy harvest would even arouse suspicion in rural folk, it is a traditionally used plant. And some may be happy to see it gotten rid of. That is unless the sassy harvester looked and acted suspicious.
 A patch of it in an old lot in town probably wouldn't even get a second glance, in most areas.
 Fence rows and shady roadsides along the edge of timbered areas are full of the crap, in farm country.

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Jetson

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ok...
« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2002, 05:27:00 PM »
i've been waiting for someone else to bring thisup but nobody has so... hey ]yo!]  now how the fuk can you call yourself a fukin chemist you hack?  fukin take another route eh?  yeah ok bub so then you tell me what you're going to do when you can't take that other route then?  oh that's right you'll be sitting wit yo thumb up yo ass cause you don't know shite about steam distilling essential oils but that's something any chemist, organic or fukin not, could tell you how to do.  and fuk man it doesn't even take a chemist to do that.  yeah a bunch of so called chemists!!!  if you're so above all else then hit the fukin bricks man!!! 

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ChambeRed

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It was a joke man :-o :-P .
« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2002, 06:53:00 PM »
It was a joke man :-[  :P .

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Atropos

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Sassafras is an extremely hardy and a prolific ...
« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2002, 09:52:00 PM »
Sassafras is an extremely hardy and a prolific grower.  You will see a stand establish itself in a matter of 5 years to 15-20 foot plants.  It also grows by root division, i.e., an established plant will send out new growth from older surface roots, giving rise to many new trees. 

In many climates, it can be considered invasive, it's hard to keep the plant from taking over.

Most people couldn't tell an oak from a sassafras, and the ones that can generally don't know a damn thing about chemistry.  A lot of farmers and old timers know the tree, but really, in this day and age, most people are clueless about anything that isn't setting between them and the idiot box.

If the concentration is around 6%, and the average yield is around 85%, then around 23 grams of safrole is in a pound of the root bark.  That's hardly a shameful amount of safrole per pound, if you consider a few pounds can go in the average 2-5 liter distiller.

A mature tree can be taller than 50 feet, and 3 foot diameter, with roots as big around as your arm and bark on them up to an inch thick.

Sifty

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Sassafras Albidum Native Range
« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2002, 08:01:00 AM »


The Native Range of Sassafras in the US

from

http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/silvics_manual/Volume_2/sassafras/albidum.jpg

.

Thought this might interest some,

-Sifty

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Jetson

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hah.....
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2002, 03:50:00 PM »
23grams to a pound on the average doesn't seem too damn shabby at all now does it???  fuk don't even have to worry about any middle men either...  well 'cept the tree fairy's and wood nymph's... :o

nice range map also...

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Neron

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Juniperus virginiana
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2002, 07:39:00 AM »
from

http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/silvics_manual/Volume_1/juniperus/virginiana.htm



Native Range of Juniperus virginiana in the United States

from

https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/safrolefaq.html


Representative volatile leaf oil composition of J. virginia var virginiana (USA), eluted from a DB-5 gas chromatography column. Data expressed in % of total oil, the oil derived from steam distillation of the FOLIAGE (so no digging-up of the roots is required).

   safrole - 10.9%  mp:~11° bp:232-234°
   cis-isosafrole - 6.7%  mp:~8.2° bp760:253° bp100:179.5°



Does anyone have any experience harvesting J. virginiana as a source of safrole/isosafrole?  This seems like it would be less work than digging up and shaving rootbark.  Just harvest a few of the low hanging branches, rip off as much of the leaf/twig material as you can, steam distill from there, or just do a few batches of MeOH/leaf slurry in a blender, combine, filter, evap, and distill/freeze from there.


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ChambeRed

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Now that sounds awsome.
« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2002, 01:28:00 AM »
Now that sounds awsome.Safrole and Isosafrole in the same harvest and without digging roots :) ,with more than 17% of the oil being good stuff!.Anyone have any experience with this oil?sounds too good to be true 8) .looks like your screwed if you live in the soggy northwest like swim :P .

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hCiLdOdUeDn

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I believe less than 5% of the leaf weight is leaf ...
« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2002, 04:23:00 AM »
I believe less than 5% of the leaf weight is leaf oil, and of that oil only 17% is good oil. After rough calculations it would take 26 pounds of leaves just to get 100mL of good oil. More like 50lbs of leaves if yields are normal. :(

But on the other hand 50lbs of leaves could potentialy make ~50grams of MDMA.HCl or $10,000.  ;)

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goiterjoe

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steep pricing
« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2002, 07:57:00 AM »
Are you pushing pills out retail to make $10,000 on 50g?  I see that as 50g as only $4,000 worth of wholesale product.  Nickel and Diming homemade gear is a surefire way to get yourself incarcerated.

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