P2Pol

[halfkast]

amalgum, thanks for the explanation. Didn't want to pollute the thread with an

The sun has a great spectrum, I think you discovered something big.  
We'll see what Wiz finds.

[catfish]

Hi all-
seems a better route than hydration of the alkene...will benzodioxole bee tried?
-cfg

[amalgum]

If SWIM had benzodioxole. However, I think that is 3,4-methylenedioxybenzene right?  This will only work with toluene derivatives (1-methylbenzenes).

[Aurelius]

same thing.  you can use the respective diphenolic compound to produce the 1-methyl-3,4-MD-benzene.

[amalgum]

Yeah thats what I was wondering, if benzodioxole was 1 methylated or not.  But you just cleared that up for me

[amalgum]

Oh yeah, anyways SWIM was forced to put things aside last night for certain reasons, so SWIM didn't get to distill the mixture yet.  SWIM is about to attempt distillation, will post results.

[catfish]

Hi all-
does this compound exist?
And would a methylenation via DMSO/ base/ DCM work?
Would side products/ destruction artifacts bee found in above photosynth using 3,4-methylenedioxy toluene?
-cfg

[Aurelius]

yes.
yes.
try it out and report back.

[amalgum]

OK, once again SWIM will have to do some tests, but last night SWIM finally decided to workup the result.  SWIM finally got off his ass to post it now, after setting up an experimental run of benzoic acid from toluene (write-up on that will come if it works, along with formation of benzoate salt and reaction with formate salt to yeild benzaldehyde).

Now, yesterday SWIM had set the remaining organics outside, so as to evaporate some.  After a while though, SWIM was forced to bring it inside cause rain was near.  SWIM put it up on a shelf and forgot it for a while.

When SWIM went to go work it up, he found that most of the solvent had evaporated, and blowing on it for like 5 minutes took care of main solvent smell.  This remaing liquid was poured into a beaker, and some water was added to it.  It floated to the top.

Steam distillation was then done, until around 15mL of the distillate had been collected, and SWIM didn't think anymore oil was coming over.

This was placed inside a test tube, and the top oily layer was sucked off via dropper.  This was placed into a grad. test tube.

The result was around 2mL of a very pale yellowish oil (SWIM thinks may still a slight slight slight hint of green?), that still smelled kinda fruity, but had more of the burning rubber/electronics aspect.  Shit, SWIM doesn't really know how to describe the smell of this unknown oil, there is nothing SWIM can think of to compare it to.

[amalgum]

Will P2P form a KI complex?

[catfish]

A-
try saturated aqueous bisufite solution.
Look for the crystals that should form an addition product with the methyl ketone.
-cfg

[ahgreich]

swim was drifting in thinkland about these posts, and wondered if the refractivity of the mixture itself and the glass container might affect the completeness of the irradiation, resulting in low yields? pondered the idea of jacking the mixture through something like an airbrush held near the bulb, the airbrush and the bulb having a very non-refractive transparent shield protecting the bulb from the spray. The bottom of the rxn chamber to have a drain which returned the collected condensate back through the sprayer. Let it crank for a couple of days and see what comes out?

[WizardX]

I have read the journal reference, BUT have some reservations as to the time of mercury vapour light expose.

I'm doing some calculations Atomic Physics, Quantum Theory of Light. (ie. photoelectron)

Quantum Energy (E): E=hf

h = 6.63X10^-34 Js Planck's Constant.
f = frequency of the light wave. (lamber)

It does not say, in the journal reference, that they exposed it to mercury vapour light for 24 hours.

[amalgum]

A-
try saturated aqueous bisufite solution.

Well, hate to be an asshole, but no shit!  SWIM would have if SWIM had some bisulfite.

SWIM tried comlpexing it with KI but it didn't work (as far as SWIM can tell).  Eventually, SWIM just said "fuck it" and poured it down the sink.  SWIMS gonna try this again probably starting tomorrow.  This sucks that SWIM is broke and can't afford a MV yet.  The sun sucks ass (esp. when it rains at least once a day here).

Also, this time SWIM is gonna have it in a pyrex erlenmeyer with glass stopper, instead of the pyrex beaker covered with aluminum foil.  SWIM beleived the evaporation of the acetone severly hindered this reaction.  Didn't think about it like SWIM should first off.