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Sad. When the lab is back in action (and explosion proofed) it would be interesting to pursue e.g. DOI 10.1002/aenm.201700299
News / Re: DEA To Update Watched Chemicals List To Include Sodium Borohydride
« Last post by spice on July 09, 2023, 12:18:41 PM »
You're not American are you?
To begin, I don’t think this will do much in regards to people in the US obtaining any of it. It may effect US distributors primarily. Even then, I don’t quite understand it, if a distributor sells a chemical and that chemical is used by this person (unassociated with the company, only a customer) to synth a substance then the distributor gets fined $250k? That doesn’t make any sense to me. I figure if distributors mind their “P’s and Q’s” being liable for what someone does with their chemical is ridiculous. That’d be like charging acetone distributors if it’s found in a clandestine lab.
News / Re: DEA To Update Watched Chemicals List To Include Sodium Borohydride
« Last post by spice on July 08, 2023, 05:15:30 PM »
They're shooting fish in a barrel already
What does the Special Surveillance List actually do?
It makes sure the cucked DEA keeps receiving taxpayer money to piss down the drain :D
News / Re: DEA To Update Watched Chemicals List To Include Sodium Borohydride
« Last post by Nl5xbn on July 07, 2023, 10:07:25 PM »
Interesting, one of the smaller retailers I use in the states claims it'll have no impact on their ability to supply it. 

That said I wonder for how long that will be the case. 

I was also tempted to submit a comment as they're accepting them on this issue.  There are many very legitimate used of reducing agents so it seems like a throwing the baby out with the bath water kind of situation.

Anyone have any thoughts on what impact it'll have on availability?

Also I thought BDO was controlled in the US.  This new register notification seems to say otherwise, does anyone have any clarity with regards to that?
News / Re: DEA To Update Watched Chemicals List To Include Sodium Borohydride
« Last post by Trivity on July 07, 2023, 08:13:26 PM »
Chilling effect towards smaller redistributors and online outlets among other things. It de-facto means the feds are holding any redistributor without a crack legal team liable making sale too much of a risk for all but the biggest.
News / Re: DEA To Update Watched Chemicals List To Include Sodium Borohydride
« Last post by Loki on July 07, 2023, 03:34:37 AM »
What does the Special Surveillance List actually do?
Harm Reduction Resources / Re: Tiny write up and big ambitions
« Last post by Samppa092 on July 07, 2023, 12:29:56 AM »
Hey bees! Im extremely happy right now and would like to share my now-finished project (alt for Samppa0920):


1.         50ml acetone + 1,6l sodium hypochlorite (10%) -> chloroform (around ~30ml)

2.         90ml acetone + 10ml chloroform (1g KOH catalyst) -> chlorobutanol (~10g)

            1. I started off with the chloroform by adding the acetone to an ice cold bucket of hypochlorite (adding ice whenever necessary to keep cool)

            The bottom aqueous layer (chloroform) was poured in a container with a layer of around ~5ml of water remaining on top (pic while in progress - chloroform.jpeg)

            2. The acetone was cooled until chilly in a freezer and 10ml of chloroform was added to it with 1g of KOH to catalyse the reaction. (30min into it - acetone+koh+chloroform.jpeg)
            The reaction was given 2 hours to with the occasional check-up and stirring, after which the solution was heated in a water bath at 85°c until
            the solution seemed ok (I tried to smell for acetone & chloroform, and feel if any cold-feeling, but hot gas was coming out).
            Afterwards the hot solution was poured into ice-cold water and the liquid chlorobutanol that didn't crystallize much at all was poured onto a
            drying tray. (after dry - chlorobutanol.jpeg

-I had no idea on the quantities of reactants to use, so I resorted to calculating them through NileRed's video on chlorobutanol (Making an old hypnotic sedative and preservative). I feel as if the correct amounts were used, since the amount of chloroform made was enough not to warrant the need to optimize the reaction further.
-The chloroform was not "cleaned", as it was simply collected out of the bucket after mixing the acetone&hypochlorite.
-While the acetone and chloroform were reacting, they were forgotten to be kept chilly for a short bit (5-15min?), slight warmness was felt on the side of the flask, after which the reaction was placed to continue in the freezer.
-KOH wasn't filtered out at any point, so the final product has 1g of KOH in it. The pH of the end product was tested to be 6, which I think is due to the KOH left in it. It is noted on pubchem, that chlorobutanol is stable for many months at a pH 5 solution, so eitherway the final product seems fine.
-The chlorobutanol didn't crystallize (I guess due to the KOH), next time I'll remember to filter it out first before boiling the solution.
News / DEA To Update Watched Chemicals List To Include Sodium Borohydride
« Last post by Trivity on July 05, 2023, 01:53:55 PM »

Apologies if this is the wrong subforum.

DEA is proposing to update the Special Surveillance List by adding the following laboratory supplies to the existing Special Surveillance List:

Chemicals, including their salts whenever the existence of such salts is possible:

(2-nitroprop-1-en-1-yl)benzene (1-phenyl-2-nitropropene; P2NP)




1-benzylpiperidin-4-one (





-methyl-1-phenylpropan-2-amine (chloroephedrine; chloropseudoephedrine)









3-methyl-3-phenyloxirane-2-carboxylic acid (BMK glycidic acid; P2P glycidic acid) and its esters (


methyl 3-methyl-3-phenyloxirane-2-carboxylate (BMK methyl glycidate); ethyl 3-methyl-3-phenyloxirane-2-carboxylate (BMK ethyl glycidate))

phenethyl bromide ((2-bromoethyl)benzene)

3-oxo-2-phenylbutanoic acid and its esters (

e.g., alpha

-phenylacetoacetic acid; ethyl 3-oxo-2-phenylbutanoate (EAPA))

5-(2-nitroprop-1-en-1-yl)benzodioxole (3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl-2-nitropropene; 3,4-MDP2NP)


butane-1,4-diol (1,4-butanediol)

ethyl 3-oxo-4-phenylbutanoate

ethyl-3-(1,3-benzodioxol-5-yl)-2-methyloxirane-2-carboxylate (3,4-MDP-2-P ethyl glycidate)

methyl 2-(1,3-benzodioxol-5-yl)-3-oxobutanoate (MAMDPA; MDMAPA)

propionyl chloride

sodium borohydride

sodium triacetoxyborohydride


-butyl 4-((4-fluorophenyl)amino)piperidine-1-carboxylate (


-fluoro 1-boc-4-AP)

thioglycolic acid and its esters (


methyl thioglycolate)

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