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Title: MDA Freebase in Air
Post by: dr_ruthenium on September 10, 2003, 07:23:00 PM

When 2x distilled MDA freebase is exposed to air it forms a solid.  Does anyone know what it is?  Is it a salt?  Is it psychoactive?

Title: MDA carbonate it should be.Or some polymerized
Post by: raffike on September 10, 2003, 08:25:00 PM

MDA carbonate it should be.Or some polymerized goo.If it's a salt it should be active..

Title: Yes, it is most definately the carbonate salt,
Post by: Bandil on September 10, 2003, 08:40:00 PM

Yes, it is most definately the carbonate salt, and it is quite psychoactive!

Title: Cool,SWIDR thought it might be carbonate (or...
Post by: dr_ruthenium on September 10, 2003, 09:00:00 PM

Cool,SWIDR thought it might be carbonate (or even nitrate) salt.  Thanks.  Bioassy pending.

Title: MDMA also ?
Post by: wolfx on September 11, 2003, 12:41:00 AM

I think I have seen the same happening with MDMA. After some time, the freebase becomes a kind of opaque white solid substance. Is is the carbonate ? If so, how to convert it back to the freebase ?

Title: most liquid freebase amines form carbonates in air
Post by: Rhodium on September 11, 2003, 12:55:00 AM

Most liquid freebase amines form carbonates to some extent if left unprotected from atmospheric carbon dioxide. You can regenerate the pure freebase either by acid/base extraction or vacuum distillation.

Title: HCl x freebase
Post by: wolfx on September 12, 2003, 12:17:00 AM

If converting your ( DISTILATED ) freebase ( MDA or MDMA ) to the HCl salt, do not add concentrated HCl directly to your freebase. I think Chromic has already warned against this. It works whithout problem though on UNDISTILATED freebase.

Title: If carbonate is psychoactive and stable, then...
Post by: dr_ruthenium on September 12, 2003, 12:31:00 AM

If carbonate is psychoactive and stable, then why convert back to freebase?

Title: MDMA salts
Post by: Rhodium on September 12, 2003, 01:46:00 AM

wolfx: What you just said makes no sense. What is true is that you cannot precipitate the HCl salt of MDMA simply by adding concentrated hydrochloric acid to it - the salt will just dissolve in the water. Use a dilute solution of the freebase in a suitable solvent, then add dry HCl as an alcoholic solution or even better dissolved in ether. You can also gas the freebase solution with anhydrous HCl gas.

dr_ruthenium: The carbonate is not stable, it may easily revert back into the freebase in case the CO₂ evaporates (due to heat for example).