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beagle boy
unregistered posted 10-22-98 09:54 AM
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Yep. Just don't add too much conc. HCl.
Mobius
Member posted 10-29-98 07:49 PM
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A la Shulgin will work... The problem is not making the hydrochloride (actualy the dihydrochloride) it is just that THIS SHIT IS NOT ACTIVE!!! You will get some anoying cardiovascular effects from it but NO high (at least not under 600 mg and probably not above eighter...)
I hope you did not read about its activity on the BB this summer because the post was most probably bullshit... (Somebody wanted to know once and for all if that shit was active and said it (at 100 mg) was just like meth, wishing somebody would try it and post the real results...
I hope you didn`t bought a kilo of that shit!
-Mobius
Rhodium
Administrator posted 10-31-98 12:03 AM
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Not just like meth, but the stuff is indeed very active. Somewhere inbetween pemoline and amphetamine in effect.
Commodium
Member posted 10-31-98 02:11 PM
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Reflux: are you considering that "liquid" BZP product offered by JLF?
Mobius
Member posted 10-31-98 05:02 PM
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The product I tried was from a reputable source... The dihydrochloride had been made "a la Shulgin" and the pH checked (pH was around 5) just before adding the ether... Some dihydrochloride add already precipitated before ether addition...
Pleeeeeeease somebody help me!
I just can`t see where I fail (god, I think I know how to make an HCl salt !?!)
By the way all my apologies to everybody I could have offended by aving been maybe a bit too self confident... A perfect being like me has to make at least one mistake in his life
Mobius
Member posted 10-31-98 07:10 PM
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BTW, a friend of mine still has some of that stuff laying around somewhere together with its MD counterpart (that I didn`t even bother testing cause of the result I got from the first compound)
So I`m asking you, oh you the great moderator , to please tell me why, but why it didn`t worked ! I have (mmm, I had...) no tolerance to amphetamine type stimulant and if it is that potent I should have felt it !?! Is only the free base active ? (Pretty scary warning on the label !!! I wouldn`t try smoking the stuff !)
Any refs about the effects of those compounds ?
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease, Mr. Moderator. What`s your secret ?
I can`t wait to try it again !
Mobius
Member posted 10-31-98 07:14 PM
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Oh ! I get it ! The company made a mistake when labeling the bottle ! Lucky I didn`t poison myself ! It would have been such a great lose for humanity !
beagle boy
unregistered posted 11-01-98 09:10 AM
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Mobius: what about that MD benzylpiperazine? Has your friend eaten any? This stuff used to be offered by Aldrich cheap and I always wondered about it. I think that it is the metabolite of another drug? Just because benzylpiperazine itself lacks in stimulant activity does not rule out activity for methylenedioxy BZP because MDA and amphetamine have differing mechaninsm of action.
Does anyone know about activity of MD-BZP?
On a side note, someone once told me about a 2-CB/DOB analog of BZP. It was 2,5-dimethoxy-4-Br-benzylpiperazine or maybe the phenyl-piperazine, I can't remember for sure. It was quite potent and (too) long lasting, more similar to DOB than 2-CB.
Rhodium
Administrator posted 11-01-98 02:35 PM
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I clearly feel the effects of 100 mg of the hydrochloride, as well as 75 mg of the free base dissolved in lemon juice (tastes awful).
If you don't feel any effects from your BzP, try a larger dose, the individual response to the compound may vary. I have a few texts about the material at my pharmacology page.
Mobius
Member posted 11-01-98 08:00 PM
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-BB
My friend hasn't tasted that MD-BZP yet but, seeing how antusiastic you are about it, he might try it tonight (...and I'll post the results here for you). BTW, this stufff is still distributed by ALDRICH. It is a solid at room temperature. Should my friend just cap it and pop it or should he make the dihydrochloride (which should be less arsh on the stomac)...
By the way, I'm still waiting for an explaination, Rhodium (or any body else)!
Can you back your afirmations ???
Is there anybody who tried this stufff and can testify about its potency!
I love you all anyway
-Moby
Mobius
Member posted 11-01-98 08:08 PM
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Thank you very much Rhodium !
I'll tell my friend to try again !
NB: I would still apreciate a reference (Just one Uncle Rhodium, please, say yes! Pleeeease!)
Rhodium
Administrator posted 11-01-98 10:33 PM
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Reference to what? That BzP is active?
Try these:
A comparison of the effects of 1-benzylpiperazine and dexamphetamine on human performance tests. Eur. J. Clin. Pharmacol., 163-169 (1973).
Comparison of the effects of dexamphetamine and 1-benzylpiperazine in former addicts. Eur. J. Clin. Pharmacol., 170-176 (1973).
Mobius
Member posted 11-02-98 12:59 PM
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I went on your site ! Nice one uncle Rho!
dwarfer
Member posted 03-22-99 08:51 PM
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I have heard that you can take a cee-gar and up from de tip about an inch or so, pour or otherwise saturate the outside of said smokeable and then fire it up.
The advancing flame front of the glowing tip will volatilize the material admirably, and the fine cee-gar fumes will actually help cover up the detestable taste.
Has a "bite" that is curiously similar to meth, or so I've heard from some people who knew.
Or, you can make some SPEED WEED, but I already talked about that somewhere else.
Like I said there, 1-BZP is underappreciated.
dwarfer
Dr Gonzo
Member posted 03-23-99 03:19 PM
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Someone who is not me found that if you pour some BZP freebase onto a pyrex plate, let it sit for about five hours, scraping it all around every 20 minutes or so, it will grab CO2 from the air and form the carbonate salt. Eat 240 mg of the white, chunky powder.
Uncle Ho Monga
Member posted 03-23-99 07:28 PM
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Ahso, 240 MG make this one fly like kite and see crawleys on skin: no fun. nope nope.
If not scrape every 20 minutes get larger crystals. Still taste real real real real real bad: put in 000 caps first, follow with PLENTY water.
thanking you
UHM
Seedcrystal
Member posted 03-25-99 12:55 AM
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Here what I did. Disolved freebase in HCL evaporated HCL and washed with cold EtOH to get huge chunks of glass looking crystals. I get very little effects from 1g, One time I "dreampt" I gave a freind who wanted to try it 300mg and he almost died of an overdose! He started being "lost" in his own little word and eventually would'nt respond to anybody he just sat there rocking back and forth. At one point I think he had some sort of siezure or stroke or something. I'll never give legal drugs away again.
Lilienthal
Member posted 03-25-99 07:08 AM
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Beagle (sorry, a bit late...): I heard that 3,4-methylendioxy-benzylpiperazine hydrochloride is much like MDMA at/above 700 mg.
born_slippy
Member posted 11-30-1999 12:53 PM
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BzP doesn't taste too bad, abit bitter but edible.
If it stings your tongue while you eat it its because it is still very basic (remember its got an extra tertiary nitrogen compared to meth which makes it alot more basic).
I ate about a gram of this stuff and it made my heart beat alot faster.
No euphoria and I have never had a chance to try apmetamines b4.
koretexx
Member posted 12-01-1999 01:28 AM
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So we got one person eating a gram with no effects and another triping balls and having strokes off of 300mgs, so what is it is it good or what. Sometimes its got ammonia
in it but people eat it any way nothin like chuggin down some parsons ammonia. So why is this shit even talked about if it sucks, quit makin my mouth water if its a bunch of bullshit. Rhodium I hope your right. Some where between dex and pem would be just right.
dwarfer
Member posted 12-02-1999 06:39 PM
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1/20 cc to 1/10 cc as measured by a 1 cc insulin syringe, is about right for an unobtrusive perky -u -up mode of being.
I did 2 CC ( abit over if I recall) one frightening day and discovered the realistic "bugs moving under the skin" phenomenon about which I had read. (NOT pleasant!)
Even at this level there was no "euphoria" or even a dexadrine feel goodness about it.
The material will never make to the hit parade of favorites, but it is effective for those times when you need extra focus and drive.
dwarfer
koretexx
Member posted 12-02-1999 10:11 PM
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perfect then, sounds like its right up my alley.
Bromine
Member posted 12-02-1999 10:53 PM
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Dwarfffffer:
I am interested in the smoking of Bzp you mention.
Have you ever tried the CO3 salt before? I have smoked small quantites on weed. I have not noticed much, if any effects.
Or will only the freebase work::?
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):Place 20 grams of liquid benzylpiperazine in a 500 ml glass beaker (no plastic!) and add 100 ml 99% anhydrous isopropylalcohol or methanol, and give it a good stir. Next add 15 ml of hardware store hydrochloric acid (muriatic acid) of 30-31% strength, and stir the solution again until it is thorougly mixed. Now, while stirring, add 250 ml of acetone in 50 ml portions. Now white benzylpiperazine hydrochloride crystals will form in the solution. Let the mixture stand in the refrigerator for an hour, break up any lumps of crystals that may have formed, and filter them off with a coffee filter and let the crystals completely dry in the air.
FOAF did exactly that, but with lab-grade reagents and got exactly what they described. Don't remember the reference, but read elshwere BZP-HCL appearance compared to wet snow. That's exactly what it looked like. Due to logistic concerns had to bypass 1-hour refrigeration step, figured was unnecessary since precipitated anyway. Filtered through coffee filters and evaporated. Three independent subjects including the FOAF themselves confirmed that the shit works! (will be an upcoming post on that one) Post 200 (missing)
Second time may have used lower concentration of BZP-freebase, so it got (
IN BOTH CASES, THIS FOAF PERFORMED THE EXTRACTION IN A WELL VENTILATED AREA. THE GAS GIVEN OFF IS POISONOUS AND FLAMMABLE.
Dear Hive, thanks for all the useful info you (involuntarily) provided. Thanks even to those of you who are snarky misanthropic bee-nises that get their rocks off by sniping at newbees, because you provide much needed comic relief. Haven't been around to snipe back because too busy experimenting. More info about what happens when you take too much BZP, and what to do about it, coming real soon (as soon as FOAF can force themselves to recount the ordeal).
If I want to eat or drink, I literally have to pry my jaw open with my hands