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Rhodium

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Re: Designer Drugs Directory
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2001, 06:42:00 PM »
"Novel" PEA's in DDR: Alpha, M-Alpha, 3-OMe-4-OEt-PEA (100-300mg, and its amphetamine, and also the 4-allyloxy), MD-Phenyl-3-aminobutane (200mg), MD-Phenyl-3-(methylamino)butane (200mg), MD-Phenyl-4-aminobutane (200-240 mg), p-EtO-Amphetamine.

Among the stimulants are  alpha-PEA, 4-methyl-alpha-PEA, diphenyl-2-pyrrolidinyl-methanol* (2-5mg), N,N-dimethylamphetamine (25-40mg), phenyl-2-aminobutane (20-40mg), 4-methylaminorex with the double bond reduced* (10-25mg), (2-hydroxyethyl)-amphetamine and 4-fluoromethamphetamine.


* "The CNS stimulant effect activity and synthesis of this compound was described by a clandestine chemist on the internet (alt.drugs.chemistry 1995) He also described the N-methyl analog synthesis, but active dose was omitted."

I cannot find the actual posts on www.deja.com - could someone on stimulants go through all the 1995 posts for a compound that looks like this?

yellium

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Re: Designer Drugs Directory
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2001, 03:13:00 PM »
1996 could very well be possible. With phenethylamines, I've always felt `in control'
  • ; mdma and mda have for me more a sort of obsessive-compulsive push, combined with some seriously psychotic insights, but they had a different flavour.

    OTOH, taking drugs is about being psychotic for a short while  8) .

  • And I bet my ass that it has something to do with me being very mild, undiagnosed (thank goodness) Aspergers or whatever-is-the-name-du-jour; anyhow, me having a different dopamine/Dx-receptor makeup than most other people. *That* would be worth a scientific study, instead of all this neurotoxicity crap.

Rhodium

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Re: Designer Drugs Directory
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2001, 04:54:00 PM »
You have Aspergers? Almost all interesting people I know have Aspergers/ADD, and similar disorders (diagnosed or not)... Me too. If I was a normal human being, I would never be able to manically maintain this site and my archive like I do...  ;)  Thank god for psychiatric disorders, they make life so much more interesting.

yellium

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Re: Designer Drugs Directory
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2001, 06:07:00 AM »
I'm not a doctor, so I'm not really sure how I would be diagnosed. OTOH, most doctors know shit about mental `disorders' unless they have them themselves  8) .

But there are some typical characteristic in which I think I differ from `mainstream' people. Typical things like being able to ignore a hot/cold/sweaty/stinking environment. Clothing ditto: I wouldn't mind wearing the same jeans for weeks. Changing clothes generates only a lot of dirty laundry, but it is unfortunately required. In my adolescent days, I *hated* shopping for clothes. I still don't like it, but now I find the pattern-and-color-matching thing quite amazing.

A big giveaway is the way I deal with people and machines. I just don't `get' people; for me people are just black boxes, and I don't know how my input is related to their output. I also have a fenomenal talent for seeing small details in people's behavior, and totally missing the message they're shouting at me. Makes dealing with that other gender quite difficult. I also don't suffer from things as big ego; If it is necesairy, I don't mind to do some groveling. I just don't care. I'm also to honest for most humans.

Dealing with machines feels much more `natural' to me, because input/output often has a well-defined correlation, given enough study. I also have no problems focussing my attention for a few days on a boring problem. Most people just have no stamina for doing repetitive jobs, which require a lot of attention (such as wiring a breadboard, developing and debugging a 1000+ line C program, or looking up dozens of beilstein references.) Phenethylamines are an interesting form of self-medication for me. Somehow, they open up more bandwidth, and allow me to perceive details that I would have ignored otherwise.

formula54

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Re: Designer Drugs Directory
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2001, 11:28:00 PM »
funny, i always thought rhodium's 'mental health' pic was because he was a psychiatrist.

-swis54

Rhodium

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Re: Designer Drugs Directory
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2001, 07:24:00 AM »
Formula54: The best psychiatrists are those that are more unwell than their patients. It is the only way they can have first-hand experience of what they are treating their patients for.

Okay, let's get back on topic. The mental health of the members of this board are a topic for the couch, and not the Serious Chemistry forum.

Rhodium

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Review of the book
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2002, 09:54:00 AM »
J. Med. Chem., 42 (9), 1681 -1681, 1999.

Designer Drugs Directory By Karel Valter and Philippe Arrizabalaga. Edited by Jean-Claude Landry. Elsevier Science, Lausanne, Switzerland. 1998. 212 pp. 17 x 25 cm. ISBN 0-444-20525-X. $154.00.

David E. Nichols

The title of this book is somewhat of a misnomer. The term "designer drug" as originally coined by toxicologist Gary Henderson was meant to apply to synthetic opiates that had been produced in clandestine laboratories in an effort to circumvent the drug laws that existed prior to 1986. Prior to that date, proscribed substances had to be explicitly named and described in the law. Thus, a prototype drug might be a controlled substance and formally described in the law, while the addition of methyl groups, aromatic fluorines, etc., gave rise to a plethora of equally pernicious or even more dangerous analogues that technically were not illegal substances. The controlled substances analogue act of 1986 largely remedied that loophole in the drug laws.

More recently, however, the definition of designer drugs has become less precise, as the authors note, and the term is now often applied to any illicit drug that is used recreationally. The title of this book would fit that definition.

The bulk of this book consists of listings for 107 different drugs, grouped by drug classifications according to 10 categories: psychotomimetics (3 chemical types), cannabinoids, PCP and its congeners, deliriants (antimuscarinics), CNS stimulants, synthetic opiates, methaqualone and its analogues, and GHB (-hydroxybutyrate). The various drugs included in each category have listed their IUPAC name, various common names, synonyms, and street names. Their CA registry number, CA name, the frequency of occurrence on the illicit market (e.g., rare, frequent, etc.), and other information such as dosage, duration of action, and any toxic effects that are known are also provided. A short description of each particular drug is usually offered, along with references where analysis methods such as MS or NMR have been reported. The subject index is reasonably complete, and if one hears the street name for one of the drugs, that term is usually in the index pointing to the entry with the chemical or common name.

The authors have attempted to provide coverage on all the drugs that are presently available, particularly on the rave scene that is so popular today in Europe. In addition, however, they have included analogues that they believe might become popular in the future. In most cases, their selection has been based on at least one seizure of the compound or its precursor(s), although it is not clear that in every example the drug represents a serious potential drug abuse threat. Some of the listed drugs were popular 10-15 years ago but have been only rarely seen on the illicit market since then. Their predictions of future drug problems may be more a matter of chance economics, although the clandestine chemists of today seem so literature savvy that some of them might well be tipped off to good "products" by a volume such as this one.

The real value of this directory lies in having key references and data for a given compound all collected together in one place. Therefore, the book will be particularly useful to forensic scientistsand analytical laboratories, to toxicology laboratories, and occasionally as a resource for attorneys involved in clandestine drug cases. For most practicing medicinal chemists, the high cost makes this book one to pass over.

Kinetic

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Interesting!
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2002, 07:58:00 AM »
Wow, phenyl-2-aminobutane (20-40mg). Sounds very interesting, as does the book (sadly a little too expensive for me at the minute). Does anyone know whether this or its N-methyl counterpart is controlled, more specifically in the U.K? It isn't under The Misuse of Drugs (Designation) Order 2001. It should be easy to make using benzaldehyde, by replacing nitroethane with (unwatched!) nitropropane... ;D

Osmium

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I'm not sure that nitropropane will work very ...
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2002, 08:21:00 AM »
I'm not sure that nitropropane will work very well in forming the nitrobutene.

I'm not fat just horizontally disproportionate.

Kinetic

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hmm...
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2002, 09:49:00 AM »
...I see what you mean about nitropropane not working very well (for example see Pihkal #1 AEM); the yields seem very low. Maybe Grignard would be more effective, (again, Pihkal, #94 J) but a lot more complicated. Considering the simplicity and low cost of the former, maybe I could at least try it :P  and when it all goes wrong I'll report back! Unless of course anyone has the synthesis ref. from the Designer Drugs Directory?

PrimoPyro

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Straight out of the book, pg.
« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2002, 10:56:00 AM »
Straight out of the book, pg.140:

References:

[1]Noggle, F.T.; Clark, C.R.; Pitts-Monk, P.; Deruiter, J.: Microgram, XXIV, p.197, (1991)
[2]Marsh, D.F.: J. Pharmacol. Exp. Ther., 94, [.426, (1948)

                                                  PrimoPyro

Rhodium

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I'd LOVE to get my hands on a complete set of ...
« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2002, 12:01:00 PM »
I'd LOVE to get my hands on a complete set of Microgram, which is a classified internal DEA Publication, dedicated to the forensic chemistry of psychotropic drugs.

If someone reading this has access to that journal, PLEASE PM me!

PolytheneSam

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>I'd LOVE to get my hands on a complete set of ...
« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2002, 05:52:00 PM »
>I'd LOVE to get my hands on a complete set of Microgram, which is a classified internal DEA Publication, dedicated  to the forensic chemistry of psychotropic drugs.

Is there a chance that the freedom of information act could be used to get copies?  Maybe parts of it could be declassified.  Maybe one of the reasons its classified is because it shows that drugs aren't as dangerous as the establishment says they are.

http://www.geocities.com/dritte123/PSPF.html
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alchemy_bee

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well actually...
« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2002, 08:10:00 PM »
C'mon now Rhod of course you have all the copys of Microgram, we all know you are really Asa Hutchinson (Administrator or the DEA)!

PolytheneSam: Good point...  Freedom of Information Operations Unit of the DEA is the best avenue to look to, to get this - if possible.

The folling taken from the DEA web site...


What Records Can Be Requested Under The FOIA?
... and (6) administrative staff manuals that affect the public.




Alright - that sounds like a possibility...



Reasons Access May Be Denied Under the FOIA

An agency may refuse to disclose an agency record that falls within any of the FOIA's nine statutory exemptions...

Exemption 1: Classified Documents

The first FOIA exemption permits the withholding of properly classified documents. Information may be classified in the interest of national defense or foreign policy.
The rules for classification are established by the President and not the FOIA or other law. The FOIA provides that, if a document has been properly classified under a presidential Executive Order, the document can be withheld from disclosure.

Exemption 2: Internal Personnel Rules and Practices

The second FOIA exemption covers matters that are related solely to an agency's internal personnel rules and practices. As interpreted by the courts, there are two separate classes of documents that are generally held to fall within exemption two.
First, information relating to personnel rules or internal agency practices is exempt if it is trivial administrative matter of no genuine public interest. A rule governing lunch hours for agency employees is an example.
Second, an internal administrative manual can be exempt if disclosure would risk circumvention of law or agency regulations. In order to fall into this category, the material will normally have to regulate internal agency conduct rather than public behavior.




Are you sure Microgram is classified or just restricted in circulation? Cuse I think one could probably get a copy of this!

FOIA Contact:
Freedom of Information Operations Unit (SARO)
Drug Enforcement Administration
700 Army Navy Drive
Arlington, VA 22202
(202) 307-7596

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/foia/dea.htm





Rhodium

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"Classified" is probably not the correct word, my ...
« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2002, 09:44:00 PM »
"Classified" is probably not the correct word, my english sux.

What I mean to say is that Microgram is in very limited circulation, I believe only forensic laboratories and related institutes can subscribe to it, with perhaps a few stray copies in other places. "Restricted access" is probably a better word than "classified".

Shulgin seems to reference it pretty much:

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/e_for_ecstasy/e_for_ecstasy-a4-1.shtml



Another restricted publication I would really want to get my hands on is Journal of Clandestine Laboratory Investigating Chemists Association. You can look at a few of their abstracts at my page:

https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/clic.html

Don't forget to check out the enormously interesting publications you can't order at the bottom of the page:

A Review of the Synthesis of P-2-P, Amphetamine and Methamphetamine (2 volumes)
SAR, Synthesis and Precursor Preparation of MDA and Its Analogs and Homologs (4 volumes)
A Review of the Synthesis and Analysis of PCP and Its Analogs
A Review of the Synthesis and Analysis of Fentanyl and Its Analogs


Actually, the Clandestine Laboratory Investigating Chemists (CLIC) Association once had a home page, but in late 1997 the URL to that got posted in alt.drugs.chemistry and in just a few days the visits to the page increased from a dozen a day to several thousands, so they removed it completely, and instead displayed a sign saying "Due to the recent interest in our page from readers of the usenet group alt.drugs.chemistry, we have decided to shut it down for public viewing. We'll be back soon with a password-protected members only version." or something to that effect. The site had loads of interesting information (the abstracts above was just 1/10 of the fun stuff)


Rhodium

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a.d.c.
« Reply #35 on: May 25, 2002, 12:29:00 AM »
Here! I found an old a.d.c post about this:


"Since the time necessary for normal modes of publication of this information is quite lengthy, the DEA edits and publishes a monthly newsletter entiltled 'Microgram' which is 'restricted to forensic scientists serving law-enforcement agencies'...The DEA has chosen to control dissemination of this information since practical information that would be of considerable use to clandestine drug manufactuerers is also frequently included'.

If I told you any more I'd have to kill you...

If you were reading a.d.c a few months ago, you would have seen the dicussion of

http://www.crl.com/~rogely/index1.htm

, the homepage of the Clandestine Laboratory Investigating Chemists Association, which also publishes a restricted journal. The site had a bunch of abstracts, some with tantalizing titles mentioning corrections of Uncle Fester and such. When a discussion broke out in a.d.c, they reported it on the page in the 'breaking news' section, quoting messages from the thread. Then they said they were going to take the site down because it was attracting too much attention. I haven't looked in a while so I don't know if it is still there or not.




Nemo_Tenetur

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phenyl-2-butanone
« Reply #36 on: May 25, 2002, 01:08:00 AM »
You can synthesize phenyl-2-aminobutane surely from phenyl-2-butanone. This precursor is commercially available but very expensive (as expensive as gold). I've synthesized it a few years ago from phenylacetic acid, propionic anhydride and sodium acetate in approx. 40 percent yield. Reaction conditions the same like P2P synthesis with acetic anhydride. Unfortunately, one attempt a month ago to produce 1-phenyl-2-methylaminobutane with Al/Hg/methylamine was a failure, I still don't know why because I have some experience in this type of reaction with MDP2B :( .

Rhodium

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phenyl-2-butanone
« Reply #37 on: May 25, 2002, 02:58:00 AM »
I would be very interested in a detailed writeup of your phenyl-2-butanone synthesis. Have you tried condensation of benzaldehyde and 1-nitropropane, followed by either reduction to the amphetamine, or Fe/AcOH reduction to phenyl-2-butanone?

Could you post the details of your Al/Hg amination procedure you used on phenyl-2-butanone, so that we perhaps can help you find what went wrong? Did you model the reaction after Shulgin's Methyl-J synthesis?


PolytheneSam

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big ugly DEA building
« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2002, 04:45:00 AM »
There's one big problem.  If that journal is at that big ugly DEA building a couple blocks from the Pentagon City Metro station then you can't bring a scanner or camera in there.  I'm wondering if I could even xerox anything in the building.  Probably not.  If it was in there then I'd have to copy it by hand or take notes.  It might be at another library, though.

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Rhodium

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Microgram
« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2002, 05:55:00 AM »
I remember reading somewhere that Microgram has a circulation of about 1500 copies, so it must be available both here and there, but of course only in DEA-affiliated corners of the world.

Could someone who can speak english please call any DEA office and ask if you could get the table of contents for the complete collection of Microgram, and what requirements they have for obtaining copies of selected articles. Call from a public phone, and tell them you are doing a paper on designer drugs and have seen many interesting references to their publication.