Well what do you think the best method is. I know "best" is a subjective term. For my purposes it's 1. Chance of success 2. Availabilty of chemicals. I've read all of it. Breath of Hope, tryptophol, standard oxalyl chloride, IAA etc..And I'm still lost on even what SWIM will attempt. I'm no neophyte to the lab, but I can't even choose. I've tried this honey, HYPERSPACE is the place to be. But it's so scarce SWIM need his own supply. I don't seee many successes in this forum. Pretty much just Drone. Not even lately. Is there a method that doesn't give an assload of tar (formamide), good success record (Breath does not), or too many intermediates (oxalyl)??..SWIM has no problem with extended reaction times as long as it doesn't stink. SWIM is just looking for a method with a "reasonable" chance of success. All input is appreciated. Thanks for the feedback Lil.