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indigo758

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5-meo-dipt synthesis
« on: April 18, 2003, 09:44:00 PM »
Now that good old foxy is schedule 1, the crew is looking for ways to obtain more. A colleague versed in MDMA synthesis offered to give it a try if we could manage to find a decent recipe. After searching for some time, I was not able to come up with a lot of info besides the TIHKAL entry. Anyone out there have any input? Now I'm not a high-grade chemist here, just collecting info for one. Can 5-meo-dipt be made from the same resources as MDMA? ANY input is much appreciated.

Chimimanie

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synthetic approach
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2003, 12:35:00 AM »
Obtain some 5-methoxy-tryptophol, then mesylate it and swap that with diisopropyl amine in DMSO.

If your friend doesn't know how to obtain 5-methoxy-tryptophol, he should not synthetise the compound.

fathornet

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best route to 5-meo-dipt
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2003, 09:20:00 AM »
chimimanie
i thought the only synth was the tikhal entry by the good doc shulgin???
i beleive he starts with 5 methoxytryptamine which i thought was the health food supplement meletonin.
do you have details or refs for your dipt synth??? :)

Lilienthal

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Melatonin is N-acetyl-5-methoxy-tryptamine,...
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2003, 10:30:00 AM »
Melatonin is N-acetyl-5-methoxy-tryptamine, not 5-methoxy-tryptamine.

fathornet

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Clarify dipt synth, please
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2003, 07:15:00 PM »

fathornet

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5 methoxy tryptophol?
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2003, 07:34:00 PM »
chimimanie
swif wants to do the dipt synth but cant find the 5 methoxytryptophol. Only places were chem co.s on the net carrying chemical intermediates.
is this material easily available?

Chimimanie

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Fathornet
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2003, 02:51:00 AM »
If you have access to org chem journals look those references:

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Post 427106

(Chimimanie: "On tryptophol", Tryptamine Chemistry)


244a,b for 5-MeO-tryptophol
681 for the alpha-methyl derivative as well as 739
687 and 688
and 231 and 673 for the 5-benzyloxyderivative

look those posts (As well as the threads which contain them!)

Post 218769

(foxy2: "Tryptophol Synthesis", Tryptamine Chemistry)
just use 4-MeO-phenylhydrazine instead (avaiable from oversea suppliers), or the synth is at rhodium's site.

Post 407891

(Rhodium: "o-Iodoaniline + Butynol -> Tryptophol -> DMT", Tryptamine Chemistry)
the mesylate swap, you could use tosylate, but maybee side reaction could occur due to solvent effects

Post 197106

(Lilienthal: "Re: looked up some nice ref's", Tryptamine Chemistry)
(Yes PBr3 could bee used instead)

Post 412787

(Chimimanie: "N-Methylisopropylamine for MIPT and the like", Tryptamine Chemistry)
could give you some hints.

And IMHO the best method to obtain 5-Meo-tryptophol is from the 4-MeO-phenylhydrazine and dihydrofuran (or another furan derivative like foxy described) , with a little dash of ZnCl2. This method bypass the Na/EtOH or LAH reduction, which are tedious and use suspicious chemicals.

Otherwise plenty routes are of course avaiable, the indoleglyoxyl chloride one (from  5-MeO-indole + oxalyl chloride then Diisopropylamine work as well (see Journal of Heterocyclic Chemistry  (1983),  20(4),  1031-6 for a ref on 5,6-methylenedioxy indole)) for instance, or the various fisher indole synthesis see all the thread

Post 335108

(Rhodium: "Fisher Tryptamine Synthesis - is this right?", Tryptamine Chemistry)
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And if you understand french, the 5-methoxy-3-indolyl-N,N-diisopropylglyoxylamine is cited and prepared in Bull. Soc. Chim. France  (1965), (5),  1411-17.

This is a part of the abstract of that text:
In an alternative method, 5-methoxyindolyl-2-carboxylic acid (IV) was decarboxylated in 73% yield by heating at 230° in a Peligot tube until evolution of gas was complete.  Alternatively, a mixt. of 70 g. IV, 150 cc. quinoline, 8 g. Cu(OAc)2, and 4 g. powd. Cu was refluxed 3 hrs. and extd. with Et2O.  The org. ext. was washed 4 times with 2N HCl, then H2O, dried, and distd. to give 72% 5-methoxyindole (V), b0.2 125-30°, m. 57°.  A soln. of 55 g. (COCl)2 in 60 cc. Et2O was added to a soln. (cooled to 0°) of 50 g.
V in 600 cc. dry Et2O.  The mixt. was stirred 1 hr. and filtered to give 85 g. 5-methoxyindolyl-3-glyoxylyl chloride (VI).  A mixt. of 12 g. VI, 10 cc. 40% aq. Me2NH, and 200 cc. ice water was stirred 4 hrs. at 0° to give 87% 5-methoxy-3-indolyl N,N-dimethylglyoxylamine (VII, R1 = R2 = Me) (VIII), m. 221°
Redn. of VIII by LiAlH4 in tetrahydrofuran as described previously gave 81% 5-methoxy-3-(2-dimethylaminoethyl)indole (IX, R1 = R2 = Me), the hydrochloride of which m. 146°.  R1, R2 5-Methoxy, % yield, M. p.; Et, Et, 80.5, 160°; Pr, Pr, 91, 150°; iso-Pr, iso-Pr, 75.5, 225°

So 5-MeO-DipT is avaiable in 75% yield from the reduction of the glyoxyl amide which is avaible from 5-MeO-indole and oxalyl chloride followed by reaction with aqueous diisoproplyamine. 5-MeO-indole is avaiable from the 5-methoxyindolyl-2-carboxylic acid which itself should be avaible from the 4-MeO-phenylhydrazine through a Japp-Klingemann reaction. Alternatively the 5-MeO-indole is avaiable also from air oxydation of beta-ethylamino-hydroquinone, see ref [8] of

Post 407846

(Chimimanie: "Proposed method (1) for 2C-H", Novel Discourse)
or by other means I dont know by heart.


But I prefer to do one fisher synthesis and no reduction, starting from scratch I really think the tryptophol road is the best.

UTFSE and you should also read Heterocyclic Compounds, Indoles, Part 1,2 and 3, Houlihan, Wiley

peace 8)