First off...before things get out of hand here, there is a simple fact that shouldn't be overshadowed or overlooked regarding pill extraction anywhere in the world.
It's not as easy as it looks! It's not as simple as it was during the h2o extraction days or even the exotic solvent extractions days.
Hell...from a time standpoint, the Egull in it's day was easier and faster than an h2o extract because there was no need to boil down the h2o/pfed filtrate.
Placebo's turps cure helped the world over combat Povidone at it's peak.
Now bees face many new hurdles and none of these latest formulations have a specifically tailored work-around that will work across the board on all pills everywhere.
Not only that, but legislation recently passed in some states here in the US mandates that certain easier to extract varieties of OTC pfed, be put behind the counter and now require ID to track over the limit purchases.
The harder to extract varieties are still sold OTC without ID but they still have the same per visit package limits.
If bees were to unleash a cure-all publicly on those harder to extract pills, it would rip those pills from the hands of bees that don't have an alternate route of aquisition.
So as many can see by logical deduction, we're playing with a double edged sword of sorts.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't syndrome.
That places the dobee extraction squads in a precarious predicament.
Do we blow our fellow bees out of the water in order to "Help" the collective?
Placebo made the best point however when he posted in his normal arrogant tone that it's next to impossible to assign and lay out an extraction method tailored to each and every formulation on the market.
And I'm sure many formulations in OZ are just as different as the many formulations here in the states.
But one fact remains...
All are a bitch to extract and I don't care what language you speak.
You'll see bees dropping hints at certain times that will help those bees inclined to pick up things based on past experience and those that have really done their homework or at least paid attention to all the different Lunatics ramblings that have some knowledge of what's going on in the extraction field. Thiose that are in the trenchs as Wicked_Rain Says.
If you don't fit into that category that didn't pay attention at the time, and you are determined, you'll do something about catching UP on the parts you missed when it was GOing down around here. It's all still ther by they way.
These little tidbits are still littered thoughout TFSE® and free to all bees that are desparate enough for the answers.
Those naysayers that didn't keep UP, well guess what?
If you had spent less time bitching and claiming "it'll never work" and spent more time applying that which was suggested, the hands on application would have set off all kind of recognition bells and signs above the head reading "AHHH That's what that tweeker was talking about!".
So in a way, I don't really feel sorry for those that had the chance to get their hands dirty and didn't jump at the opportunity, I feel sorry for those that aren't afraid to jump in help and may never get the chance because the door is closing fast!
So for those seeking the easiest way in the daze to come, start learning some real chemistry cause your going to need it.
I know it's the only way I'll stay afloat soon!
Placebo? Got any good eph alkaloid synths lying about?
L-pac...anything to help a bee out here?
Again...AWE due respect!
I'm being serious here!
I'm all for burying the hatchet and working together contrary to popular belief.
Kris: The most likely reason that tetra is hard to get your hands on is because it's being phased out.
Hell some bees in the states will tell ya that ya need to buy brake shoes before they'll sell ya brake parts cleaner from BEHIND THE COUNTER!
How bizarre is that?
How bizarre is it that North carolina just put tetra/pce on their watched chem list?
You Oz bees have every right to be asking for suitable substitutes to proven extraction methods.
There must be a godamn good reason behind not being able to find something that was available a year ago to you bees.
But as placebo said outright, US bees are at a slight disadvantage with not being able to play with the OZ pills, but it won't stop those bees who care from exhausting every possible avenue in the search to help AWE bees that come here in search for solutions.
