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dwarfer

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quinoline-2-carboxylic acids to get you off?
« on: May 24, 2004, 10:16:00 AM »
New observations on the secondary chemistry of world Ephedra (Ephedraceae).


Caveney S, Charlet DA, Freitag H, Maier-Stolte M,
Starratt AN.


For several millennia, stem extracts of Ephedra
(Ephedraceae, Gnetales)
have been used as folk medicines in both the
Old and New World. Some species were used
in treatments of questionable efficacy
for venereal disease in North America during
the last century. Many Eurasian species produce
 phenylethylamine alkaloids, mostly ephedrine
and pseudoephedrine, that interact with
adrenergic receptors in the mammalian sympathetic
nervous system.

Asian Ephedra have been used recently
in the clandestine manufacture of a street drug,
methamphetamine.
Although ephedrine alkaloids
are not detectable in New World species of Ephedra,

together with Asian species they contain
other nitrogen-containing
secondary metabolites with known
neuropharmacological activity.


Many mesic and particularly xeric species
worldwide accumulate substantial amounts of
quinoline-2-carboxylic acids,

or kynurenates,
 in their aerial parts.
Many species of Ephedra accumulate
cyclopropyl amino acid analogues of glutamate and proline

in their stems and roots, and particularly
in the seed endosperm.
Mesic species synthesize substantial amounts of
three
L-2-(carboxycyclopropyl)glycine stereomers

rarely seen in nature.
A cyclopropyl analogue of proline with known antimicrobial activity,
cis-3,4-methanoproline,

is found in large amounts in the stems and seeds of many Ephedra species.
The ability to synthesize cyclopropyl amino acids
may be an ancestral feature in the taxon.
The natural function in the taxon of these three groups
of secondary compounds remains to be established.

PMID: 11454619 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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The chemistry intelligentsia are hereby called upon to identify
protocols applicable to the identified alkaloids above,
employable by your basic corner lab-tyro,
in the conversion of the materials into something that will,
you know,
like:
get you high, man.
;D  ::)  8)  ;D



dwarfer

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Yooby-Hoo
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2004, 05:00:00 PM »
Will the CHEMISTRY ELITE
please be so kind as to assess


 quinoline-2-carboxylic acids,
cyclopropyl amino acid analogues of glutamate and proline

L-2-(carboxycyclopropyl)glycine stereomers
and
cis-3,4-methanoproline

as to their potential??

For I have ZERO knowledge,
about this whatsoever,
and  
well..

I mean...

what are you

FOR??  ;)


popi

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No doubt it will grow anywhere and get you off
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2004, 05:55:00 PM »
This is a good idea for a different source of e.It has been around for long times.Don't knock the potential availability of this product.Get seeds then grow.Same as the myth of Opium Poppy's. They grow everywhere ,but the word used to bee ,'they won't grow here'.Swip has grown a few Persian Whites,Afgan Purple-Whites and ephedra's.This can bee a great cheap source for honey!They are grown now in Austrailia,Canada,Columbia,Mexico and countless other places.Swip will take some seeds and grow.No gak here to worry about!Good info Dwarfer!


Nicodem

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please be so kind as to assess ...
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2004, 12:45:00 AM »
please be so kind as to assess quinoline-2-carboxylic acids, cyclopropyl amino acid analogues of glutamate and proline, L-2-(carboxycyclopropyl)glycine stereomers and
cis-3,4-methanoproline


What exactly do you want to know about these compounds and why do you care about them anyway? If someone would show you the phytochemical composition of lettuce would you ask him to "assess" each of the hundreds chemicals?
Ask a more specific question.


Red_Crown

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The whole paper..
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2004, 01:41:00 AM »
.. contains some very good information on the chemical composition of various species of Eurasian Ephedra.

New Observations on the Secondary Chemistry of World Ephedra (Ephedraceae)
Stanley Caveney, David A. Charlet, Helmut Freitag, Maria Maier-Stolte, and Alvin N. Starratt


Red_Crown

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and
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2004, 01:54:00 AM »

Nicodem

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isoquinolines are not quinolines
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2004, 04:04:00 AM »
His new book is in the same subject area..

Well, it is not. It is about isoquinolines, especialy tetrahydroisoquinolines. These differ from quinolines by the position of the nitrogen. It is like comparing anilines with benzylamines!


dwarfer

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thanks Red-Crown
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2004, 12:55:00 PM »

Post 509707

(Red_Crown: "The whole paper..", Stimulants)


That's the text for which I could only get the summary, from hich I extracted the info..  ":<)


dwarfer

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Parden my termerity
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2004, 01:31:00 PM »
Nicodem, I do not think that the matter is so obtuse as
to constitute an impenetrable conundrum.

Let me guide you through the arcane thought process which gave
rise to my question.

first of all, we are in the "Stimulants" forum, ya?

secondly, alternate sources of precursors to stimulants
might be kinda handy,
given some of the complaints about
the extraactive difficulty of more "regular" sources.

Now one of these is ephedra, 
but as you might note, the reference indicates
that NA Ephedra has no ephedra alkaloids,
but rather, other psychoactive alkaloids, which were referenced.

GThus, then, I enquired about them
 from some of the more chemically
erudite:  do the drugs as a class
have any potetntial usage
for experimentation at the chemhack level.??

Is that a big and stupid question?? 
Your corellary to lettuce seems a far jump, to me.

B ut then, maybe you CAN make opiates from lettuce root?


Who knows: I don't.

Sems like I recall proline


as being a part of synthetic cocaine analogues,
but again, I don't know.

Kind of a shame if all that millions of hectares of Nevadensis was totally useless..  


:(


dwarfer

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Rhodium

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Let's not get out of hand completely here...
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2004, 04:09:00 PM »
Yes, everything is good for something, but as there are already so incredibly many things which have proven to be useful for our purposes, please refrain from posting random guesses about "useful things" unless you can reference the reason why you think it could bee a preferable thing to do.


dwarfer

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why sure
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2004, 03:11:00 PM »
Just wishful thinking.

one more question, in general.  Are there any obvious significant hazards to the bio-absorption of the reduced
alkaloids referenced>?